Why was Haiti successful in their slave revolts while Black American slave revolts (Denmark Vessey, Nat Turner) failed? Did slave masters learn their lessons by the early 19th century? And what would a successful slave revolt in the US look like?
>>18483398Im not racist but like trying to frame this a win for Africans is just stupid, for every 1 African win there was 20 European wins
>>18483398Some success... got rid of whites only to become canibal savages surviving off of food donations from white nations. Call that a win if you want, but the truth is they'd be better off as slaves.
the whites armed themselves and the french sent troops to quell the rebellion, but they were blocked by judeoanglos and spanimoors
>>18483402>>18483404>>18483411They literally defeated Napoleon lmao. Black kings stay winning
The french is a natural nigger lover and trusted his farming tools with weapons
>>18483402>>18483404You really fucking hate when a Black nation actually tries to be independent and live the fuck away from you, are you all secretly in love with Blacks or something? You racist idiots hate Blacks but also hate the idea of Blacks fucking off to their own society unbothered, it is like you desire Blacks to be your neighbours and fuck your daughters, sisters and wives.Haiti and African nations would be better off if you actually left them alone. I agree with the first anon, yes, Africans have almost no wins compared to europeans but your wins are also covered in shit because all the things you hate about the societies you live in are a direct result of your wins. When Blacks have won, you have also won. Do you retards not see the connection between Blacks and Browns losing and you winning, and all the inmigrantion that your victories cause?
>>18483404>but the truth is they'd be better off as slaves.The truth is white nations particularly attacked Haiti for its slave revolt, which is a huge part of why that country is fucked up. Had European nations left Haiti alone it would be in a lot better state than it is now. That being said, freedom is a hundred times more desirable than being a docile sheep on a farm.
>>18483398My completely uneducated guess is the presence or lack of military experience among the commanders. Biassou had fought in previous conflicts and Louverture was akin to the US Founding Fathers in being a landed slaveowner himself. The leaders of American slave revolts were mostly preachers.>And what would a successful slave revolt in the US look like?The same as always, men who come back from a war, decide that they don't like their circumstances, and start a coordinated and disciplined campaign aimed at attrition and a negotiation thereafter. The Civil Rights Movement was basically the same thing except they came home from law school and university instead of the battlefield.
>>18483398You would have thought the smarter whites would have had like several weeks to fuck off once they'd seen the writing on the wall. It's not like these things happen overnight.
>>18483436>its whitey fault we reverted to canibal stone age tribalism That is just what happens when dark hell-spawned demons are allowed to live according to their nature, they make the world hell around them.
>>18483458>That is just what happens when dark hell-spawned demons are allowed to live according to their nature,Do you have any evidence for that? Random videos of mentally ill people don’t count by the way
do you honestly think if you put white people on an island like haiti and sanctioned it similarly it would be anywhere near as much of a shithole as haiti is now? You know the answer
>>18483468Yes. I do think that unironically. I mean why wouldn’t it be?
>>18483398The American Civil War can be seen as a slave revolt
>>18483474>I mean why wouldn’t it be?Because of the overwhelming concentration of dindus that turn every area they move to even in the most developed economy in the world into shitholes?
>>18483458If that's the case, why did Europeans spend centuries breeding and trading said demons instead of leaving them to their own devices? It's ultimately imperialism. You can call black people demons, but white people traded demons and devils. Truly, does that make your better? With that being said, they didn't "revert" to stone age cannibalism. European nations undoubtedly treated Haiti poor historically. The entire country of Haiti was kept in abject poverty simply because European nations were salty and didn't want to support something associated with the French Revolution or black people.
>>18483484Was it really? I see it as a white class war but I'd like to hear your thoughts.
>>18483495> Because of the overwhelming concentration of dindus that turn every area they move to even in the most developed economy in the world into shitholes?Do you have any empirical evidence of this?
>>18483496Black people are ugly, violent and stupid, and no ammount of blaming white people for telepathically stopping you from "readin good" fools anybody. Your independent island is a shithole because it's run by ugly stupid and violent people.
Uh, cause the Haitian slaves outnumbered their masters by a considerable amount? There were a tiny number of Frenchmen on Haiti, like 90% of the population was slaves. Even at its absolute peak, slaves never outnumbered the white population in America, not even close. It's basically utter greed and retardation to have a population of a colony be majority slave. It's begging for a revolt. Even ancient people knew this.
>>18483484?????? It was fought by free white men against free white men. Slaves barely even fought at all in it, and had no part in instigating it.
>>18483507it is completely self evident
The non meme answer is that the French thought of blacks as actual farming tools. Maybe slightly smarter than dogs. They thought africans were incapable of organizing on a large scale and pulling off a plan like that. They were outnumbered and caught by surprise.
>>18483536So, no evidence?
>>18483474I think whites would've abandoned the cash crop / plantation model and switched to sustenance farming until the blockade and embargo were lifted. But then, white people actually understand agriculture and would be more than capable of restructuring the economy of Haiti in response to changing conditions. Blacks on Haiti couldn't do this. They only knew how to cultivate cash crops on plantations, they didn't even know how to run those plantations except in the most rudimentary fashion, let alone how to actually manage the land in a responsible way.
>>18483540Black Americans are poorer despite being given preferential access to academia despite being dumber (proven!). There is not a single wealthy suburb in the entire country that is majority black, although every black majority area is filled with crime mental illness and gang violence
>>18483524>Black people are ugly, violent and stupid, and no ammountIt's like pottery.>Your independent island is a shithole because it's run by ugly stupid and violent people.It's not my island. I can agree that the island is likely ran by people who don't care about the general populace, but Haiti exists fundamentally because of European imperialism. I think Europeans are as much as to blame as the blacks who fail to run the island and fully distance themsleves from European dependence. >>18483531Makes sense.
>>18483549One in five American blacks can pass an AP chemistry exam compared to the majority of white students. You are dumb and stupid
>>18483432>Haiti and African nations would be better off if you actually left them alone.Haiti was left alone from 1789 to 1915 and it was predictably a shithole, then the US took over from 1915-1934 and it was a somewhat stable functioning country and when the US left, it immediately returned to being a shithole.The same applies to Africa.
>>18483550Tell me the link between Europeans and a dumb nigger called Barbecue running around haiti slaughtering people and getting roving gangs kf black men to join him instead of writing poetry and becoming city planners.
>>18483421only because the spiritually negro Poles sent defected and joined the haitians
>>18483554>20% of blacks can be functionally stableLmao
>>18483570>Tell me the link between Europeans and a dumb nigger called Barbecue running around haiti slaughtering people and getting roving gangsWho brought those blacks to that island in the first place and enslaved them? Europeans displace and oppress entire populations of people and act surprised when they chimp out.
>>18483606Haiti has been free of slavery for 200 years lmao. Is that really the best excuse you can come up with for ongoing massacres to the literal current year of 2026? Are black boys really so fragile? It seems that way.
>>18483404> Better off as slaves> Average lifetime expectancy of Haitian slaves was 3 years the moment they arrived on Island
>>18483546> I think whites would've abandoned the cash crop / plantation model and switched to sustenance farming until the blockade and embargo were lifted.thats literally what Haitians did already in 1810s
>>18483612Haiti was kept indebted, embargoed and occupied until 1947. They paid 6x their GDP from 1825 to 1947.
>>18483601Don't forget that 50% of murders are NOT committed by blacks.
>>18483623We're not talking about economics here buck. We're talking about distributing food white people give haitians out of pity for how sad their moneky like nature has stooped to, and stopping gangs of niggers from slaughtering people on the streets. We're beyond talking about the success of haiti which is clearly way too far ahead for us to even be thinking about right now.
>>18483630>We're not talking about economics here buck. We're talking about distributing food white people give haitians out of pity for how sad their moneky like nature has stooped to, and stopping gangs of niggers from slaughtering people on the streets.Economics has a lot to do with whether a population is doing well or not. Look at North Korea vs South Korea. Hell, look at many of the dilapidated places in the US whose economies failed to modernize to the 21st century.
>>18483630Also it's fictitious to think that most white people "pitied" black people.
>>18483638Blacks are not even capable of organizing a police force to stop their own people from being slaughtered in the streets by other black men. If black haitian men are concerned about their socio economic situation, what is preventing them from ending the slaughter of their own countrymen and women to begin rebuilding? They are genetically stupider and have poor planning skills and so prefer a state of anarchy.
>>18483639Enough food is coming to the island by white people and the reason blacks are starving is that other BLACKS are intentionally starving them. Those are the facts
>>18483463>Do you have any evidence for that?Haiti
>>18483606>Europeans displace and oppress entire populations of people and act surprised when they chimp out.Chimp out against who? Other Hatians? Because white people enslaved them 200 years ago? LOL
>>18483676>Chimp out against whoChimp out in general. When you force a people to live in abject poverty, they tend to do violent things. This is not unique to Haitians. White people also chimp out when they're forced to live in poverty and terrible conditions.
>>18483695The hell blacks live in is the product of them acting according to their nature as dark hell-spawned demons. Only through intervention from children of God is their hell improved, and the demons of course would prefer to live in heaven amongst the light of God in Christ if they can. I do not think they should be permitted such a blessing, because as Jesus said, the Lord's bread is not for them.
>>18483658The blockade and embargo destroyed Haiti
>>18483701>The hell blacks live in is the product of them acting according to their nature as dark hell-spawned demons.Not the economic disenfranchisement over centuries of globalization? Sure. Don't get me wrong, a huge failure of black people is continued dependency on European institutions. But when Black nations attempt to distance themsleves or strive for self-determination, jealous whites often chimp out (the existence of the KKK, church and school bombings, race riots, etc). This is why they killed Malcolm X, MLK... whites require blacks as a second tier citizen for their societies to function. This is fact from history.>Only through intervention from children of God is their hell improved, and the demons of course would prefer to live in heaven amongst the light of God in Christ if they can. I do not think they should be permitted such a blessing, because as Jesus said, the Lord's bread is not for them.Where in the Bible did Rabbi Jesus say that?
>>18483626Common Black W
It's been a while since I studied the Haitian revolution, but it was hardly even a slave revolt. It was a tug of war between white landowners, white farmers, mulattos, and free black men where they used the slaves to achieve their own ends.
Despite Haiti's reputation as a lawless hellhole, I went to Jacmel three years ago and it was perfectly peaceful and functional. Of course 25km up the road people were eating each other in Port Au Prince, but there are large parts of Haiti that are quite nice. There's a whole upperclass who live comfortably and goods, accommodations, and services are dirt cheap.
>>18483896>>18483899Tell us more
>>18483398The Haitian revolution of 1804 wasn't really a slave revolt, Slavery had been abolished ten years prior by Robespierre. And well they succeeded because of malaria and the napoleonic wars. It was a fluke, and in the grandscale of things somewhat unimportant. Unfortunately it speaks to neuroses of certain type of person so we have to hear about it forever.
>>18483421The disease actually beat them more than anything else. When the Haitians actually fought an army that wasn't nerfed by the disease (the Dominicans), they got the ass whooping of a life time. Not that I support the slaver side of the Haitian revolution, I am just tired of people glazing the Haitian army like they were the greatest fighting force on earth.
>>18483758>Where in the Bible"It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs" Matthew 15:26
>>18483549Blacks do more with worse grades
>>18483929Slavery persisted long past the initial revolutionary ban on slavery. The slavers on Saint Domingue attempted to secede from France to keep slaving. Even after blacks took control of Haiti, they didn't immediately ban slavery, in fact they tried to re-enslave blacks who had been freed during the war.
Disease mostly. Something like half of the men that Napoleon sent to Haiti died within weeks from yellow fever and he couldn't afford to keep shipping guys off to die in Haiti while he was going to war with all of Europe. Haiti was the most profitable colony in the Caribbean so this was a difficult but necessary choice.
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>>18483404Im French and I was taugh by one of my hatian friend told me that they still pay us for a debt they contracted when buying their freedom, I didn't look into the details but its true you can look it up, might partly answer why this country is so fucked up
>>18484255The difference is arachnophobics don't seek to live with spiders nor invade spider nests. Meanwhile racists do everything in their power to integrate Blacks and keep them as part of the nation, it doesn't matter if it is as slaves or as pets, racists will always look for noble Blacks to say "see, this Black man here is decent and my friend" even more so than non racists. Racists have a weird obsession with Blacks and literally can't leave them alone.
>>18484281They paid it off 80 years ago. That said, for over a century around 50% of Haiti's income went straight to France. It was a huge impediment to the nation's development.
>>18484289Well thank you for the info anon I didn't knew that, obviously that's fucked up. If you want to know more about Haitians as a people, what they believe, their strengths and flaws let me know, I don't know much about their colonial history though
>>18484284>you don't actually think I'm a retarded subhuman that shouldn't existlol
>>18484327You are obsessed with Blacks lol, Blacks and Browns live unironically in your head forever rent free. Your white nation is so trash that you literally fantasize about invading Black nations that literally want to live as far away from you as possible. You just hate the idea of Blacks, Latinx, Asians, or whatever races you hate, being able to live without white small dick idiots like you.
>>18484347so what you're saying is you're going back? great, when do you leave?
IT WAS SUCCESSFUL SOLELY BECAUSE DISEASE KILLED OFF ALL THE FRENCH TROOPS WHO WERE EASILY CAPABLE OF ENDING ITTHATS THE ONLY REASONSTOP ASKING THIS QUESTION
>>18483432As far as I can tell it's Haitians emigrating to any country that will have them, not whypeepo flooding Port-au-Prince to live with them
>>18483713that happened in 19th century
>>18483432I also want Africans to stay in their own nations. Fundamentally whites should stop being bleeding hearts and just stop all foreign aid and let them live how they want to. Separate but equal, us in Europe and them in Africa.
>>18485246>foreign aidAka make them dependant and destroy any local industry
>>18483398demographicsthe US south was like 50-50 black and white, and whites who couldn't afford slaves still fought beside slaveowners in the militia (and the slavocrats promoted white supremacist ideology hard, for that reason)Haiti was overwhelmingly black, even a lot of the owners were absentees, so a revolt could actually succeed. Same reason sizable maroon communities formed in nearby Jamaica and were able to resist British reconquest and get them to cut deals. (Indeed, Haiti also had maroons, and they made a big difference in the independence war.)You may now return to your race war shitflinging.
>>18483398Spanish and British support.
Why do people here argue with subhumans negroes?
>>18483398The port of new orleans and the mississippi river would probably be important for actually getting the united states to come to any agreement about abolition most probably
>>18483546it's the opposite, they refused to do cash crop stuff because it reminded them of muh slavery
>>18485282A fun fact about the caribbean slave system is, I think, that it was kind of reliant on Cuban dogs to keep the maroons at bay. For example, the Jamaican maroons only surrendered to the brits after they threatened to have them imported into the island.It was a really vicious, brutal breed.
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