they are closer to achieving a fully communist society than any other attempt in history
>>18484366No. The reason they are more successful than the other four communist nations is because they are less communist. They have a free market, inheritance, stock market, billionaires, wealthy classes, etc. it's the least communist of the five communist countries. They actually lightened up a lot and are getting less communist over time. Originally they had banned religion when they were more communist but now it's allowed again lol.
>>18484393>China is capitalist when they humiliate the west>they magically become communist again when they commit a blunderEmbarrassing cope.
>>18484398Fag, China has billionares and a free market and a stock market. How is that communist? There's only five communist countries and the most succesful one is the least communist one of them all, and it's true that China has become less comunist than when the CCP took over. Lol.
>>18484400Their goal is to be a communist powerhouse once they become global superpower a society has to go from capitalism to socialism and finally communism mao took a massive l and tried to reach the final step and ended up killing millions deng realized to build a powerful communist state you first need wealth and technology even though china has free market,billionaires everything is tightly controlled by CCP and the fact that the military swears oath to a party rather than a country speaks volume
>>18484366China has a low per capita GDP and is still considered a developing country. Communism is actually holding them back. If they were Capitalist they would probably have cities on the moon by now but instead they kneecapped themselves and are just short of true greatness.
>>18484430>China has a low per capita GDP and is still considered a developing countryThat's a good thing. It means that rent is like $100 a month and they have a real economy
I think China benefited the most from Communism because of the language barrier. Marx originally wrote in German and his works had to be translated into Mandarin which leaves a lot up to interpretation (similar to how Christians constantly take liberties with their respective translations of the Bible) which is why there are still entire schools in China dedicated to studying what Marx wrote and how his works should be interpreted. From what I understand, the party intentionally adopted a vague interpretation of Marxism because they're afraid that whoever succeeds Xi is going to try and make the leap from Communism with Chinese Characteristics to "true communism" and fuck everything up. Basically China is Communist with a massive asterisk
>>18484400>i don't know what communism means: the post
>>18484455Communism is state ownership of economy. China privatized the economy in the 80s-90s with reforms. Now we have thousands of billionaires, its the nation with the most amount of billionaires because people can start company, sell products, make money, spend however they want, without government taking over their company or their money. The end result is the country is extremely prosperous as each of these billionaires are self made, highly invigrating people who can lead local economies and drive up the entire society by creating jobs, producing value, benefiting the entire society.In the west, there's a resurgence of marxism that want to destroy all the job creators and have government create, own, run programs. The result is what we're seeing, Europe has zero growth for the last 15 years or so. Mass migration didnt benefit the continent, it destroyed the continent. People used to say Europe was the bastion of good governance, now its a lawlessness. Many of the nordic countries are now rape capitals. There's extremist violence everywhere. UK is a rape capital where tens of thousands of young girls are groomed by grooming gangs with shocking evidence that have been hidden by all layers of the government to appease their political ideology of mass migration. The marxist "fix" they are proposing is to tax its own citizens more and more to sustain the open borders mass migrations.
>>18484475>its the nation with the most amount of billionairesThat's not even true. The USA has nearly twice the number of billionaires as China despite having a quarter of the population.
>>18484475Have you been living in a cave for the past 6 years? China initiated a massive tech industry crackdown that cost people a collective $1 trillion dollars. People like Jack Ma lost billions of dollars and influence overnight because the government feared they were getting too powerful. This does not happen in a free market economy you fucking idiot.
>>18484366Communism is when class collaborationist nationalism?
>>18484366China just plagiarized its system from Mussolini, the REAL greatest communist of history
>>18484482Thats using forbes list, that doesnt include Macau or Hong Kong. Its an older metric. Hurun's list is more accurate with China now having 1100+ billionaires, more than US's ~1000. All the money in Hong Kong and Macau go to Chinese tax base.
>>18484366Communism (in the Jewish/Marxist definition) means a global stateless system without money or national borders
>>18484398>they magically become communist again when they commit a blunderYou are putting words in peoples mouths.
>>18484516>Hurun's list is more accurateNo it isn't. I honestly don't know what else to say because I think your retardation speaks for itself
>>18484366More like Nationalistic Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, but sure
>>18484524Sorry but its what it is. You dont have to like it. Both Hong Kong and Macau join Tibet in being controlled by PRC in all aspects. Atleast they get a little bit of local freedom vs Tibet, but financially and militarily, its all under PRC.
>>18484486The fact that any billionaires exist there at all debunks any notions of them being socialist. The Nazis cracked down on wealthy people critical of them, but that doesn’t mean that the Nazis were actually socialist.
>>18484530It doesn't even make any sense retard. Hong Kong only has 71 billionaires and Macau only has a single resident billionaire (Hoi Kin Hong) so even if they were included it still wouldn't account for the 1100 number that the CCP pulled out of their asses. Get outta here IDIOT
being a billionaire isn't really that impressive anymore imo, my family are millionaires and we're only considered middle class to upper-middle class at best. These lists include a lot of nobodies who barely cracked the 1 billion mark from day trading
>>18484541The total new billionaires added this year by China is ~250. The entire list of individuals is on their site.
>>18484552I just fact check you post and you're wrong, sorry bud it is what it is
>>18484547Billionaire is a sign of nation's individual prosperity. The more people are allowed to climb up without government hammering them down, it means the more they are allowed economic freedom. Economic liberalism has gotten through to China
>>18484557>Billionaire is a sign of nation's individual prosperity.Not when a billion dollars is worth less in 2026 than it was in 2000 anon, you have to account things like inflation and purchasing power. Being a billionaire is just the new millionaire. We're going to start seeing trillionaires in our lifetime, it already happened with Elon Musk, that's going to be the new benchmark for wealth going forward.
>>18484366They need to build more traditional arcitecture instead of the internationalist skyscrapers.
>>18484536The only billionaires in China are ones who the CCP allows to be billionaires. We already saw with the tech crackdowns that the government can and will take all your wealth away if they think you're incompatible with the parties ideals. To the CCP, the only people allowed to have wealth are people they can use as a state apparatus
>>18484578as opposed to billionaires spinning the wheel of electoral politics to make the government work for them
>>18484366By adopting state capitalism?
>>18484475> China privatized the economy in the 80s-90s with reforms13 of the top 15 firms by revenue in China are state owned and of the remaining two one is probably indirectly state controlled. With basically all strategic industries controlled by the state, its hard to see Chinese economy as some laissez faire free market economy. Who owns your neighbours kiosk matters very little to Marx - for an industrial society the ownership of the bank, the steel mill, newspaper publishing house and electric grid is what matters.> The end result is the country is extremely prosperous as each of these billionaires are self madeChinese billionaires are made through party favoritism picking certain companies in certain industries and elevating them as national champions. The only sector where this isn't true is consumer goods and retail, but those really are not the focus of the industrial state.The rest of your drivel sounds like it came from a for profit conservative college lecture. I won't bother.
>>18485934Consumer goods and retail are majority of real economy. People trading goods with each other, gov not being involved, extreme competition, etc. This is capitalism at its peak. You have all ranges of quality too when starting out, but with years, the quality rises dramatically as they converge on the specifications control their quality control. Without it, their huge investment into business suffers. Gov aren't investing or propping up these entrepreneurs. They're self funded and self investments that want to grow. Short cuts only work for short period before reality hits, and they bite you in the ass for long term reputation building of any business.
>>18485969>gov not being involvedExcept when the government decides it doesn't like you and then poof, $1 trillion wiped from these industries overnight. You Wumao are not convincing anyone
>>18485988real stats shows who is a communist country. atleast in china, you can engage in capitalism. in the west, communism is the norm, where kangaroo politics leads government to arrest anyone that is critical of government
>>18485996Seeing as China is still in the top 5 in your graph I don't know what argument you're really trying to make here bud
>>18484578Doesn’t matter there should be no billionaires whatsoever.
>>18486008China was the OG communist, but they have become liberalized in most relevant sense. Europe was the OG liberal economy, but they have become a communist state. There's no economic freedom in Europe and no free speech in Europe. Europe is a modern communist shithole
>>18485996>>18486037How did Britain, which invented property rights, capitalism, liberalism and limited government become the most totalitarian society in the world today? They went from John Locke and Adam Smith to TV licenses.
>>18484400Chinese billionaires are just people who hold a large amount of state resources under their name. It's not actually their money. They can't leave the country with it and are under intense scrutiny by the state. China regularly kills or suppresses its billionaires when they get out of hand.>>18484475Every major Chinese corporation has CCP members on their board of directors.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China>The Company Law states that all private companies and state-owned enterprises (SOEs) must permit Chinese Communist Party (CCP) committees to be established within them and provide the necessary conditions for such committees to operate.[4]:>In 2024, the law underwent significant reforms.[5] All companies with more than 300 employees, including local subsidiaries of multinational corporations, became required to appoint a worker representative to the board who must be consulted for all major company decisions.[5]>as each of these billionaires are self made,They aren't. Chinese entrepreneurs come from families with close Party ties. Kong Dongmei is literally Mao's granddaughter. Wang Jianlin's grandfather was on the Long March. Self-made guys like Ma Yun or Liu Han get suppressed and executed respectively.
>>18484366China is a highly stratified class society ruled by a surveillance state.
>>18486654Isn't this exactly like how it was in Nazi Germany under the German Labour Front and Gleichschaltung?
>>18484366>Guy who knows nothing about communism and Chinese historyChina moved away from communism after the failures of the People's Communes, agricultural co-operatives, and the Cultural Revolution, which devolved into a disaster with cannibalism, famine, and widespread poverty. State ownership is not even truly socialist; Engels famously mocked this concept, referring to the people who called it Napoleon's nationalization of the tobacco industry socialism.
