Was the Roman Empire the pinnacle of Aryan culture? They had their Roman chariots, just like the Aryans of Sintshta, and they believed in the god Jupiter - the same god as Deus Phter, the Proto-Indo-European deity. They were Aryans; perhaps not genetically, but culturally, they were Aryans through and through.
>>18485018Sintashta*
>>18485018They called themselves Aryans >] Arius Auctus / [3 sevir Aug]ust(alis) dec(urionum?) suff(ragiis?) / [3]ia Pelagia con/[iunx et 3] Aucta mater / [3]um> Arius Auctus. [Sevir Augustalis] by the votes of the decurions. [She] Pelagia, wife, and Aucta, mother, [made (this).]They worship other aryan gods, such as divine twins. Some Etruscan samples can reach as much as 40% steppe ancestry.They can be modeled as half beaker and half EEF
R1b U152 z36 Italo-Celtic master race rise up
>>18485137this is now how linguistics work, you can't just add a random u/w sound between a and r and call it a day, you have to show by which «regular» phonetic law it happened, you have words in Latin like ar-cus(bow) which come from a PIE h2er- cognate with arr-ow but no such insertion happensif Aryan < Aryas <<< h2er + yos, in Latin you would expect very simply arius just like you have arios in Gaulish, but it's not an attested Latin wordeven if one discounts the -yos which forms adjectives from nouns and stick to the root, which is what one has to do to find reasonable oblique cognates in e.g Greek ar-(aros=use/gain, ar-nymai=acquire/gain, aristos, etc....) , there isn't a very clear case to be made for Latin
>>18485507>in Latin you would expect very simply ariusWhat are you even saying? He posted Arius. Is there a machine translation middleman on your end?
Etruscans were a branch of the urnfield culture that moved into central Europe in 1300 and triggered a sequence of events leading to the bronze age collapse. They in turn were from a group that possessed the spoked wheel chariot which moved west from the Pontic-Caspian steppe, the same group moved east becoming the Vedic Aryans that invaded India.The Romans of course were not fully Etruscan. Their own foundation myths state they are a mix of adventurers and mercenaries that settled in the fertile volcanic plain of Lazio. After said dark age the Phoenicians began sailing the Mediterranean establishing trade routes. They brought their alphabet to Greece with which Homer would use to inscribe their oral history. The Greeks in turn began to build their own vessels and trade, generally the Punics stuck to the southern coast of the Med while the Greeks to the north, with the Punics founding Carthage while Greece would found colonies such as Marseilles and Syracuse.They would have come across the fertile volcanic plain of Lazio, perhaps already densely populated. The Romans date their founding to 750 BC, which would be around the time the Greeks started to exert influence. It would have been a turbulent time as trade and new methods of warfare, among them iron smelting, upset the balance of power. The Greeks colonized the south of Italia, but not Lazio, however it is possible Greeks influenced it nonetheless then mingled with the local population, who were mainly Latins though with the Etruscans to the north.The 1st wave indo-european Greeks and Latins and 2nd wave Etruscans had similarities in their culture and religion. Dyeus Pater - Jeus Pater - Jupiter. The name Zeus is derived from Dyeus and the Romans correctly linked the 2 when they were influenced by Greek culture. Rome thus became a mix of these 2 waves, sometimes using Greek and Latin names interchangeably. Their alleged Trojan ancestors were also likely a branch of Urnfield.
>>18485137Roman arius R1bU152
Rome and the Greeks are the least indo-european of the indo-european, they are thoroughly mixed with middle-eastern culture, more so than indians
The word "Arius" is attested in personal names in Latin inscriptions on the Italian peninsula. ARIUS. The inscription database returned 117 hits for "arius" from the Roman province Latium et Campania / Regio I. Examples:1. *CIL 14, 03987* - Mentana / Nomentum: `Ander[3] / Arius[3] / Narva[3]`2. *CIL 14, 00605* - Ostia Antica: `Lucius Arius Asclepius` buried with his wife Tucia Crispina, "a pious woman"3. *CIL 14, 04619* - Ostia Antica: `Arius Auctus`, a _sevir Augustalis_, mentioned with his wife Pelagia and mother AuctaThese are sepulchral inscriptions covering personal status, including both men and women.Btfo, again. Romans called themselves aryans, cope, seeth and dilate
>>18485672Some guy called Arius doesn't mean the Romans collectively called themselves "Aryan". That your retarded leap of logic. You are mentally ill
>>18485548It's the same pre-human primate who was humiliated in that thread for insisting that "Aryan" wasn't a pan-European word, and after citing several examples ad nauseam, all that's left is to say they're false and that the sources weren't legitimate because... well, they weren't legitimate. I'm still waiting for him to present sources from authors and linguistic articles that contradict the widely accepted reconstruction. And so far, nothing. The primate doesn't know what else to do. It's a personal matter.
We're making progressthe primate in question has at least assumed that the Romans used the word "Aryan" as a personal name, which is good. Now, how do we explain to the primate that h2ér-yo, which we have attestations of in Latin, in various Celtic, Germanic, and Iranian names, is an ethnonym? It's not logical to think that the Romans "innovated" the term or that it lost its ethnonic value. If the primate accepts that the word ultimately derives from h2ér-yo, it must necessarily conclude that it is an ethnonym. That's it, really over.
I think some are baffled by the apparent contradiction. How could Italy and Greece have absorbed and preserved so much Indo-European culture if in the end these peoples had low steppe ancestry?The ANF + steppe admixture levels don't tell you the whole story. By the time these locations were being colonized fully, steppe was already an ancient admixture source, long since irrelevant. In Italy, the direct sources of steppe admixture were Bell Beakers, and they had substantial ANF and additional WHG. You are free to imagine that Italy or parts of it actually experienced significant population turnover and this changed the culture entirely despite the fact that ANF levels did not sink nearly as much as northern Europe.
Another very important thing, Romans came from Bell Beakers. So did the Celts. This is what dna shows. Romans are from Italic tribes which came from Bell Beakers groups from Central Europe. They share a linguistic and even a genetic origin with the Celts who also came from Central Europe. Terramare, Urnifield, and Tumulus are all Aryan cultures, in addition to the Roman gods being Indo-European. Very Indo-European
>>18485715>>18485708>>18485687>nooooo >The romans wuz like me saar >they wuzant Indo-European >they wuz like me
>>18485694I think it all comes down to finding more direct citations and inscriptions of the use of Arius in the Roman world. An anon in another thread found a Mycenaean inscription of the use of Aryan as an ethnonym among the Greeks so it's extremely plausible
>>18485018Romulus be an anti-monarchial take on a mytheme inherited from the common mythic tradition of IE-speaking cultures.>40.5 [181] The Greek and Latin books of Numa Pompilius were discovered by peasants working on the field of scribe Lucius Petillius at the foot of the Janiculum, buried beneath an arch made of stone. 40.6 When the praetor to whom the texts were brought had read them, he discovered that the majority were religiously dangerous, and told the Senate that reading and conserving these books were not in the interest of the state. By order of the Senate, they were burned on the Comitium
>>18485684The same thing happens in Greece, some Greeks were called Aristo like Plato's father (Ariston), Plato himself (Aristocles) and his disciple (Aristotle), but this retard doesn't claim the Greeks because he knows that Aristoi was not an ethnonym.
>>18485728Yes. There's also the connections of Romulus and Remus with the ancient Italic custom of"ver sacrum"and the tribute and commemoration of youthful, cattle-raiding heroes among aryans-speaking peoples see Tennant andRoman Myth and Mythographyby Jan Bremmer and Nicholas Horsfall:https://akroterion.journals.ac.za/pub/article/view/501https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-classical-journal/article/abs/aeneas-and-the-twins-the-development-of-the-roman-foundation-legend1/51B9F5A14219A7EAE3806AE9001219A9Very Indo-European
>aristosHow many times will this damned man be wrong? It's really over.ΑΡΙΑ is probably a collective term, and ⟪a-ri-ja-wo⟫ would denote a member of that group. Yes, btfo again
To recap: both Greeks and Romans used the term Aryan, as did their cousins, **and** these words ultimately derive from h2ér-yo, which is an **ethnonym**. And someone even found evidence of the use of a probable Greek ethnonym. And now, sisters with brain cancer? What do we do? What is our new cope?Still waiting the answer for this>>18485687
I do not care for Rome
They were so Indo-European, that our Roman King administered justice while sitting on a chariot-seat
>>18485781Chariots are Indo-Aryan, not Indo-European. It's not something that goes back to PIE.
>>18485715There actually isn't any change compared to Bronze Age. This is an old study. Most of this ancestry arrived in MLBA. Maybe even in EBA.
>>18485763>It's really over.>ΑΡΙΑ is probably a collective term, and ⟪a-ri-ja-wo⟫ would denote a member of that groupFake and gay. It was the name of a Cretan (Pre-Mycenae i.e. Non-IE) city, Ariaioi was used as an ethnic demonym for its inhabitants and not for a nation/confederation. Mycenae was not called Aria and neither its inhabitants Ariaioi.>Aria (Ancient Greek: Ἀρία), also known as Albe or Arbe, was a minor city-state (polis) and town of ancient Crete, situated in the southern part of the island near the modern village of Arvi in the Heraklion regional unit. Primarily attested through the coinage of its inhabitants, the Ariaioi, the settlement dates to the Classical and Hellenistic periods, with evidence of activity extending into the Roman and Late Antique eras. Archaeological remains at the site of Aghia Irini include an Early Christian three-aisled basilica from the mid-6th century CE and a probable ancient cemetery with Byzantine graves containing pottery and metal artifacts, suggesting continuity of occupation>The name of the ancient Cretan polis Ἀρία (Aria) is derived from the proposed stem 'APF-ia, reflecting phonological shifts common in Doric Greek and pre-Greek substrates, such as the loss of digamma (ϝ) or its substitution with beta, resulting in forms like Ἀρία. This etymology situates Aria within the Messara plain, linked to Mount Arbion through shared linguistic roots potentially denoting arboreal or mountainous features, though the precise origin remains tied to indigenous Cretan influences rather than clear Indo-European cognates. Contrasting with possible Indo-European connections—such as a tentative link to Sanskrit arya ("noble" or "worthy"), paralleled in ancient references to Apia in Persia and Ard for the Medes—the name more likely stems from Minoan or pre-Hellenic substrates prevalent in Cretan toponymy, where non-Greek elements often persist in place names
>>18485802>Primary evidence for reconstructing the name comes from the demonyms Ἀριαῖοι (Ariaioi), denoting the inhabitants and appearing on coins issued by the polis, and Ἄρβιος (Arbios), an epithet for Zeus central to local cult practices. The ethnic Ἀριαῖοι follows standard Doric patterns for Cretan poleis, with the -αῖοι suffix indicating collective inhabitants (e.g., similar to Κυδωνῖται for Kydonia), and grammatically derives from the nominative stem Arion or Aria, adapted through local phonetic evolution. Ἄρβιος, used for the youthful, beardless Zeus depicted on Ariaioi coinage, provides further attestation but defies straightforward derivation; scholars like Willetts reject connections to Latin arbor ("tree"), Minoan labrys (double axe), or Lydian forms, concluding that its pre-Greek roots—possibly evoking a Minoan mountain deity—remain obscure. These forms underscore the name's reconstruction as 'APF-ia > Arion/Aria, with usage in numismatic and cultic contexts confirming its application to the polis and its people. The identification of Aria remains tentative, primarily inferred from coinage bearing the ethnic Ariaioi and toponymic associations near modern Arvi, without direct literary attestation>Comparisons to similar Cretan names highlight broader linguistic patterns, such as the modern village of Arvi, which preserves the phonetic core and is associated with the cult of Zeus Arvios on nearby Mount Arvion, suggesting continuity from ancient Aria. Other parallels include Arius near Rethymno and ethnics like Biennos for Biannos, both exhibiting digamma-related shifts and pre-Hellenic origins typical of Cretan topography. Hypothetical pre-Hellenic etymologies propose an indigenous substrate linking Aria to mountainous or sacred locales, distinct from Hellenic innovations, as seen in the persistence of non-Indo-European elements in Minoan-influenced names across Crete
who keeps on bringing up this roman aryan thing like it means anything? the word aryan has been so propogandized that it probably doesn't resemble at all how they thought about their similar wordsit's stupid at best
>>18485781The Romans used chariots extensively, no longer for war, but as a cultural symbol.
>>18485813Probably got them from Hallstatt, La Tene Celts.
>>18485763Where did you find this? I'd like to read it in full.
>>18485816It wasn't someone who discovered this probable ethnonym; it was another person in a thread we had. I'm on my phone, I'll switch to my PC and check my documents. I think the full article was posted there. But it's cool to know how people used aryan as an ethnonym since the Mycenaean period. Regardless of "aristos," "Arius" was also probably used as an ethnonym
>>18485815It goes back to urnfield anf it was probably a ritual wagon, not a real chariot.
>>18485781Very Indo-European
>>18485822Those cunts were the biggest racemixers in the history of homo sapiens.
>>18485802NTA. Since someone else is sharing some things I posted about before, I think you would benefit from reading the original posts:https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18466020/#18470511Here is the important part you need to know:the paper in the image talking about the coins that was posted here wants to connect ΑΡΙΑ- to */aru̯iā-/ which is related to that town named Arbe. However, this is not the only word ΑΡΙΑ- can be connected to. If instead it is connected with Linear B ⟪a-ri-ja-wo⟫ */ariāu̯ɔ̄n/ (found at Knossos, Crete) and Linear B ⟪a-ri-wo⟫ */ariu̯ɔ̄n/ > AG Ἀρίων then */aru̯iā-/ would be impossible as /u̯/ (= /w/) is not lost in Mycenaean.
>>18485827The other weird thing is digamma is preserved in the dialect of Crete and they later start writing this sound with beta. (That's where you get the town name Arbe). If these are supposedly locally produced coins associated with that town, why aren't they spelled with a beta since that's the local dialect?
>chariots r indo-aryan not Indo-European How do you explain to an imbecile that "Indo-Aryan" is what we call Indo-European? If the imbecility didn't stop there, to begin with, the separation between Indo-Aryan and Indo-Iranian occurred in 1800 BC, and Proto-Indo-Aryan probably formed between 1700 and 1600 BC. By this time, chariots already existed and were used on a large scale, including in Aryavarta (Europe). And here's something interesting, Abashevo had chariots and probably the Catacomb culture before Sintashta.Actually, The oldest and most archaic looking cheek pieces come from Catacomb, then Abashevo, then Sintashta. there are evidence of two wheel vehicles in the Catacom (proto-chariot) Nothing to do with Indo-Aryans, as the mentally retarded person blatantly lied. there are also other examples in IE mythology that have the sun traveling by horse/vehicle through the sky. We have the Greek Helios, the Baltic Saulė and the Norse Sól. Its a Indo-European tradition, not indo-aryan.Nordic Bronze Age they were familiar with chariots and depicted them as being pulled by two horses It shows that iranic influence is not needed.https://www.academia.edu/79638826/Early_horse_bridle_with_cheekpieces_as_a_marker_of_social_change_An_experimental_and_statistical_studyAccording to new studies, the domestication of the horse is more complex; the Yamnaya people were already riding DOM2 horses and bringing them into the western region. https://phys.org/news/2026-05-domesticated-horses-years-complex-story.html
>>18485839>>18485827Fuck off
>>18485853You just posted AI slop and got mad when a post called on you to use more than one brain cell. Do you even think for yourself and engage in discussion or do you just let out grunts and moans to assert dominance?
>>18485846>And here's something interesting, Abashevo had chariots and probably the Catacomb culture before SintashtaVehicles with solid wheels are not chariots, but wagons. Only oxen can bear the weight of those wheels, not horses. It was the Andronovo who invented spoked wheels so they could use horse-drawn vehicles, and their descendants from Central Asia brought this to Europe, not the other way around.
>>18485846Also, we have Dupljaja Chariots, Carpathian Basin, late Bronze Age c.1700 - 1300 BC, which the figure with a bird beak is thought to be a solar deit Rig Veda 1.118 talks about the chariot yoked to horses flying like birds On Yamnaya:>Since the whole Sintashta phenomenon was likely developed not in the Urals, but elsewhere, chariot technology also likely developed before the year 2000 BC in the Sintashta homeland, which is the Don–Volga interfluve. The reference point might be two-wheeled carts from the Catacomb culture, the Sintashta predecessor, dated to cal. 2400–2200 BC. These might be the prototypes for the later Sintashta–Petrovka chariot complexYes, nothing to do with "indo-aryans"
>>18485879>>18485846I also forgot to mention that you were refuted once again. Wow, my ego can't take this!
>These might be the prototypes for the later Sintashta–Petrovka chariot complexIts over
>>18485827>>18485839I would like to reiterate that perhaps you are confusing the users. This is me>>18485745>>18485846>>18485879I m against spammers
It seems someone here was molested.
>>18485879>The reference point might be two-wheeled carts from the Catacomb cultureCarts = WagonsAndronovo remains the inventor of spoked wheels and therefore chariots. Otherwise, I challenge you to show me a vehicle with spoked wheels before Andronovo.
>>18485892Yep, but I already argued with this spammer once. In fact, I noticed he's a well-known figure hereWhat intrigues me most is his lack of basic interpretation skills in what people say, and his excessive use of copy and paste. Did you know he was once caught copying things from random blogs? And I've seen some of this guy's posts on Twitter that would make you not take people with very specific sexual problems seriously.
>>18485879>>18485846But wasn't Catacomb derived from Cordedware, just like Sintashta?
>>18485907>derived from CordedwareNo. It's a late phase of Yamnaya, most likely the steppe source of the Mycenaeans and Armenians. Sintashta is no longer seen as the culture that actually "invented" the chariots the concept was already used by the Yamnaya, and they created the prototypeSee Mallory>>18485879then was later incorporated into the Abashevo culture, which In fact, were the creators of the war chariot. Abashevo itself had influence and continuity with Catacomb anyway Cheekpieces are important to the chariot debate>>18485846Also some scholars think Srubnaya had them too because of these specific cheekpieces. Catacomb had cheekpieces and ride horses before Sintashta accordingthe most recent studiesAbashevo may of gotten influence from them and created an early version of the chariot found in Sintashta.
>>18485925I'm a bit lost in these archaeological terms. But are you telling me that Syntasta didn't invent the chariot, but that his predecessors already had an idea and they just copied everything? Is that it?
>>18485927I think I'm repeating myself here, and "copy" isn't the right word. These various Indo-European or "Aryan" cultures were all closely connected and very similar to each other, not only culturally, but probably linguistically and genetically, so close contact was very common. For example, there's an archaeological study I read about how the Srubnaya people lived with Catacomb peoples without any overlap or replacement. Regarding the chariot, I'm saying the concept is Proto-Indo-European (PIE), already used by the Yamnaya even before the formation of Fatyanovo, (probably the link between the Proto-Indo-Iranian and the Balto-Slavic, some use the term Indo-Slavic) with prototypes found among the Catacomb culture, which is late Yamnaya, that eventually reached the Abashevo culture in modern Russia, where we probably have the first creation of a chariot used for war, which in turn reached Sintashta. their ability to breed horses on a massive scale, made the chariot an integral part of their culture. But it's something created by Europeans, originating in Europe at the end of the day. I m clear now?
>>18485548>What are you even saying?Arius in Latin is it's not an attested Latin word for something other than given name or surname. If it meant a member of one's own clan/companion/noble, you would expect other words derived from its root in Latin that had similar meanings. The Romans used it more as a suffix.>-arius (later -eiro), PGmc *harjaz "army, host": Adarius, Agarius, Alarius, Amedeiro, Andiarius, Ascarius, Atarius, Aunarius, Baltarius, Bazarius, Belesarius, Bertarius, Cufarius, Donazarius, Ermiarius, Fredario, Frumarius, Gaifarius, Gitarius, Gualdarius, Guldarius, Gulfarius, Gumarius, Gundarius, Iubarius, Iustiarius, Leodarius, Lotarius, Magnarius, Mudario, Notarius, Olcarius, Quitarius, Ranarius, Ratario, Rauparius, Rechiarius, Remesario, Rumario, Sentarius, Spanarius, Suavarius, Suniarius, Suntarius, Teadario, Torsario, Trasarius, Truitero, Uandalarius, Valarius, Venedario, Viliarius, Visclario, Vistrarius, VitariusIt's funny how this attempt is made to connect arius to h2er-yos, since its use as a suffix means "related to", "belonging to", or "place of" has more to do with -yos than h2er even this also means "to join", "fit together", or "to arrange".
>>18485781I just wanted to comment on this post. Some are skeptical that Bell Beakers would have brought chariots with them as an inherited technology because it is presumed that Sintashta invented the chariot or something like that and the technology must have arrived later through trade and not through the IE expansion.What is described in this image is not just technology; it is a cultural practice that makes no sense outside the context of the steppe. Sure, the Italian peninsula hypothetically could have gotten chariots through trade, but why would that imply that the judge or king would start administering justice on a chariot seat? This is a totally out of place cultural practice imported from somewhere else that cannot plausibly have been received by trade.
>>18485942No need to get angry, I'm just asking as a layman, but I understand, these names are so cringeworthy that it gives me a headache to read them, why not use normal names? kek The last time I read this was back when Survive the Jive was relevant
>>18485018No. Persians were
>>18485925This is a spoked wheel. Neither Yamnaya nor Catacomb used this. Abashevo perhaps since they were predecessors of the Sintashta, but we don't have archaeological evidence of spoked wheels among them, since you haven't posted it yet because you know that.
>>18485945>The Romans used it more as a suffix.You are confused. The suffix is unrelated.
>>18485951Sorry if I sounded arrogant, it's just that educating ignorant, retarded people with little or no reading ability takes brainpower. These are Russian names, since most of these cultures were first studied by Russian archaeologists, so it's natural that the names are quite strange.
>>18485961Well since this is so old, there must have been a name they used right? What would that name be?
>>18485977Linguistics isn't my area of expertise. Ask him>>18485827And ignore the idiot>>18485977
>>18485684The deeply delusional nazicel still hasn't explained how he goes from a bunch of Romans being called Arius as first name to the leap ''Romans called themselves Aryans collectively''. He just sperged about something unrelated above when asked about it. He's not interested in history or linguistics, just in delusional nazi fanfiction (look how he equates steppe with germanic also)
It's good to know that we all agree that Arius is derived from the PIE h2ér-yo, theethnonym for Aryan and that the Greeks used ΑΡΙΑ as an ethnonym its over
>>18485925I wonder exactly how this happened the creation of this seems quite autistic. What were they thinking?
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/RpHFpu-cyIsWowowow /his/trionici just got owned!
>>18485985This guy is so failed that he makes several posts just agreeing with himself.
>>18485997Well, the Yamnaya already used horses for transport in such a "controlled" way that they were able to reach Mongolia in practically a few years (at least that's what Patterson concluded, afanasievo migrated with cattle from Ukraine to Asia without much difficulty). Besides the use of carts, it's natural that the need for something more compact arose, and so the concept was created, perhaps initially for transport, but the Catacomb use cheekpieces could be interesting here. But the prototype was there.It's obvious that something for war in a far from peaceful environment would culminate in the evolution of a different type of chariot, lighter and with spoked wheeled war is and always will be the greatest driver of innovation.
>>18485763>>18485827So, was Aryan already in use in Mycenaean Greece?
>>18486025>It's obvious that something for war in a far from peaceful environment would culminate in the evolution of a different type of chariot, lighter and with spoked wheeled war is and always will be the greatest driver of innovationI also think it was something like that the first versions were for elites, they paraded around, but then they realized the idea was too good to be used only for transportation and transformed it into a war vehicle god is so good being white :^)
>>18486028I do not have enough data to make a particular interpretation of ΑΡΙΑ- certain, if that's what you're asking. I know very little about this other than the word is found on some coins and it is comparable to a personal name written in Linear B. What makes or breaks an etymology is comparanda, and I have little of it. Kitchell (1983) was quite certain that APIA- goes back to *aru̯iā-, but this is because the only comparanda he found was the placename Ἄρβι-. Ἄρβι- is not compatable with Linear B ⟪a-ri-ja-wo⟫, but I am not aware of something that forces us to connect APIA- to Ἄρβι- or ⟪a-ri-ja-wo⟫ (unless what I said about the missing -β- earlier makes Ἄρβι- less likely). There is a lot not known about these words, and sometimes I bring things up to generate discussion, not because everything is certain. Maybe someone will contribute information. It's possible some would prefer that I not bring up topics that are ambiguous, but it's also important to pay attention to what I said and didn't say.Kitchell Jr, K. F. (1983). New Evidence for the Cretan APIAIOI Coinage. American Journal of Archaeology, 87(2), 216-220.
>>18486216Me again, after reading a little bit more, i can say that, unfortunately, it's not a ethnonym and wasn't used in such way.The guys above are actually correct. The same with Arius
>>18486395Thank you! Nazicels must be btfo
>>18486398Always bro. What makes a sexy an etymology is comparanda, and we have nothing at all. Is just a random wordThey>>18485991>>18485672 Are wrong
>>18486395>>18486398>>18486395You lost. Over and over.
>Empire that has very shitty cavalry & 0 cavalry traditions.>Muh aryuhnz
>>18486420The only two Republican roman samples we have are pic related, they had only 16% and 30% steppe (they'd cluster with modern southern and northern Italians respectively), expected phenotype dark brown/black hair, brown eyes and olive skin, exactly like most modern Italians. Modern nazishits would call them ''brown'' for those traits but since they had no civilization and were civilized by those browns they need to humiliatingly keep this delusional ''aryan'' larp going. The cognitive dissonance must be absolutely devastating
>>18486395>Me again,Not me.
>>18486216Its overNordcists btfo
>>18485018Probably Gauls. Fairly industrious and innovative in their own right and capable of building decent sized settlements. Had an Indo-European religion, obviously. But they also had more steppe ancestry and acted like it too. And they retained the priestly caste with a strict oral tradition.
>>18485018Middle eastern. Rome was middle eastern. Arabtalians. Albanian Emperors don't undo that fact.
>>18486501Yes, its a fake cognate
>>18486501>>18487004I think it's funny how much power this one word has and how so many people have a stick up their asses over it.The Indo-European expansion happened. Western steppe herder DNA is found in Greeks and Italics. Bell Beakers invaded Italy. This is all very mainstream stuff, not Nordicism at all, but as soon as the magical Aryan word is brought up everyone loses their minds.Some Romans had Arius as a personal name. That's just how it is. In Celtic, *ari̯os is used in ethnonyms, personal names, and social classes. Because this is also true of the more general Indo-European usage, Proto-Italo-Celtics must have also called themselves Aryans. Bell Beakers must have called themselves Aryans.The "Aryan invasion" of Italy happened, so it's entirely plausible that these individuals named Arius inherited their name from an ethnic context. It's also plausible that it meant something like "freeman" in contrast to a "servus" and arius was simply replaced by other terms like lībertus and ingenuus.
>>18487277>The "Aryan invasion" of Italy happened, so it's entirely plausible that these individuals named Arius inherited their name from an ethnic context. It's also plausible that it meant something like "freeman" in contrast to a "servus" and arius was simply replaced by other terms like lībertus and ingenuus.Yes, maybe in your sick head. Nice fanfic though
>FromProto-Italic*louðertos,*louðertā(whence alsoFaliscan𐌋𐌏𐌅𐌄𐌓𐌕𐌀(loferta)), fromProto-Indo-European*h1lewdʰ-er-tos,*h1lewdʰ-er-teh2, from*h1lewdʰeros(seelīber), from*h1lewdʰ-(“to grow; people”). Equivalent tolīber(“free”)+-tus(adjective-forming suffix).Btfo again
How to destroys any allegation of muh Greek aristos and muh roman Arius in one single pic.Our answer?
>>18487277The reaction to ΑΡΙΑ- on the coins being uncertain is also funny. Aren't you all a little too excited over that? These Mycenaean words still have to be explained:⟪a-ri-wo⟫ */ariu̯ɔ̄n/⟪a-ri-ja-wo⟫ */ariāu̯ɔ̄n/As you can see, we still have the stems */ari-/ and */ariā-/ and it is not desirable to isolate the words without trying to connect them to something else.*/ariu̯ɔ̄n/ can __easily__ come from *h2ari̯ó- + *-u̯ṓn where h2ari̯ó- has become h2arí- either due to composition before a lexically accented suffix or due to leveling.With or without the coins, it is still easy to offer an interpreation of */ariāu̯ɔ̄n/:*/ariā-/ can represent a collective, and */ariāu̯ɔ̄n/ would be an individual belonging to that collective.And */-u̯ɔ̄n/ is actually seen in masculine ur/n heteroclitic stems which Ancient Greek has leveled. (E.g., πίων) This is curious though, is a heteroclitic stem related to */ariu̯ɔ̄n/ seen anywhere else? Maybe. Have a look at the Arverni. Attempts at etymologies generally propose it goes back to *are-vern- or *ari-vern- (The original vowel quality, *e or *i would be ambiguous in this context). The real question is what to do with the -vern- part. One theory is it represents the Celtic word *u̯ernā "alder tree". There's actually no solid evidence confirming this hypothesis so when we turn to the deity Arvernus, this raises more questions than answers. The Romans likened it to a "Gaulish Mercury", so if it's that important, why have alder trees become such a big deal?Another interpretation is possible when we notice that Celtic can level r/n heteroclitic stems to a single suffix -rn-. E.g., Gaulish ⟨Icurnus⟩ (<< PIE *yókʷr̥), Proto-Celtic *īsarnom. Although unexpected, it is worth asking if LB ⟪a-ri-wo⟫ */ariu̯ɔ̄n/ and Gaul ⟨Arvernī⟩ are related.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arvernushttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arverni
>>18487397No, the Aryan invasion of Italy is mainstream genetic science published in peer reviewed journals. That's why the geneticists say Italy has Bell Beaker admixture. Those are the people who brought Italic languages.
>>18487412If you have an argument, state it explicitly
>>18487412Btw, did you even read your image?It lists 2 senses for Arius1. The name of a river in Afghanistan 2. The name of Greek Christian theologianThese have nothing to do with the usage of Arius as a personal name on the Italic peninsula.
>>18487414I suppose I should emphasize this time that the part about the Arverni is highly speculative. It doesn't hurt to ask questions right? Just don't jump to conclusions.Although I do think there is some merit to the idea considering how widespread *ari̯o- is in Celtic, the only truly valuable theories are those that can be corroborated by additional facts, and I know little about the Arverni.
>>18487414>Aren't you all a little too excited over that?No, cuz we all know here that's BS
>>18487902>no argument
https://lexlep.univie.ac.at/wiki/arimaiCould this be promising?
>>18487922You already debunked it
>>18487925Hi.No, unfortunately no. Same case with greekSee>>18485945 its over
>>18487925Also https://lexlep.univie.ac.at/wiki/ari%C5%9Bai
>>18487925Yeah. It's not entirely clear what's going on with this word though. Perhaps a nasal was lost or this is a suffix replacement (Or it goes back to the nominative stem? Weird if so) Just read the page:>If correct, the form is an ā-stem personal name in the dative; apart from arimanus (AcS I: 215, probably a variant of ariomanus, see Meid 2005: 146–148), of which it could conceivably be a hypocorism, the only available comparandum is unclear RIG M-46 arimuṣ. See also Salomon 2024: 166.
>>18487939There are other related words you can check here. >>18487932I was looking up this word on this amazing site and remembered you all, I thought it would be nice to share. I'm the anon who shared the personal name Arius Gallaecia Lucense in that thread.
>>18487947>Arius Already btfo see above
>>18487949??
The hatred and contempt for Indians is so great that we wuz vedic n sheit Now, were the people from the Alps actually the real Vedic people?
>>18487932>https://lexlep.univie.ac.at/wiki/ari%C5%9BaiThat looks like a t-stem which would be pretty isolated. If it has anything to do with *ari̯o-, it's the only t-stem on that base I've ever seen. If it was not a personal name perhaps more could be said about it.
>>18487953What?
>>18487947>remembered you allThanks for remembering us and sharing. I always appreciate getting new data to work with.
>>18487955>>18487939This proves that the nazcels are quite lunatic. The guy's association was: >any word with an A and R stems >we wuz hahaha
>>18487961Why exactly am I being attacked? What did I do?
>>18487961It's nice to see you seething over this with no ability to discuss anything that requires thought.
>>18487967There's some very sad, angry people on this board.
>>18487968You never learn, do you? Why do you keep explaining and responding to this guy? It's ALWAYS him who ruins these threads. First with this nonsense about the etymology of "ares" or whatever else. Do you know why this trash always comes back? Because you guys respond to this trash. The guy doesn't work, he lives off this.>>18487967You didn't do anything. That imbecile is obsessed and wears people down.
>>18487975>wears people downI'm on fancy stimulants. Imagine having endless energy.
>>18487975>>18487969Thanks >>18487955From what I understand, the name is a dative case, like "for Aritsa." It would be a feminine name meaning "the noble one." Would it make sense for it to be a cognate for Aryan? Could women also be Aryan?That strange letter in the inscription called "san." Whatever it sounded like, the name could change. I think that's the biggest problem.- If "san" = /ts/ the name is `Aritsa`- If "san" = /d/ the name is `Arida`However, is Arimai semantically more plausible at least?
I would also like to share a very good website about Gaulish inscriptions with you:https://riig.huma-num.fr/corpus.html?collection=RIIG It's it might be useful to someone.
>>18487978Dude? You said you use drugs? What do your parents think about that?
>>18487981Since we're dealing with a situation with variant readings, I think it's very important to try to actually read the letters yourself on the artifact or a drawing of it. You aren't going to walk away very informed about this without reading some papers on the inscription, I think
>>18487987>https://riig.huma-num.fr/corpus.html?collection=RIIGLooks interesting>>18487981>Could women also be Aryan?On this page there are various Sanskrit dictionaries and some list feminine forms of arya-https://www.wisdomlib.org/definition/aryaThere's no particular problem with switching from a masculine to feminine declension in many Indo-European languages.
>>18487997Thank you, anon.
Do you believe that I might (I won't be superb, maybe someone has already shared this inscription before) have found yet another inscription?I'm starting to get scared by the absurd amount of use of these names among the Celtic peoples.
>>18488003>Do you believe that I might (I won't be superb, maybe someone has already shared this inscription before) have found yet another inscription?I can believe it>I'm starting to get scared by the absurd amount of use of these names among the Celtic peoples.It's funny that very few outside the field of Celtic studies seem to know about it.
>>18488005I started researching by reading your posts on the subject. It's a shame it's not explored in depth by the by academicsHere it is:https://riig.huma-num.fr/documents/CDO-02-01It needs to be translated because it's in French>Aresequana, Lucios Nertecoma(ri) a offert l' ariios.
>>18487981>However, is Arimai semantically more plausible at least?Nta but probably nah
>>18488010Translationsby Michel Lejeune : MLE-1-a, MLE-1-b The Dwellers-by-the-Seine, and Ariios, have offered (this effigie of) Lucius, son of Nertecomaros.by Pierre-Yves Lambert : PLT-1-a The chief of the district near the Seine, Lucios Nertecomari, offered it.by Pierre-Yves Lambert : PLT-1-b This ariios of the Aresequanon, Lucios the "nertecoma(ricos)" magistrate, offered it.by Pierre-Yves Lambert : PLT-1-c At Aresequana, Lucios Nertecoma(ri) offered the ariios.by Michel Lejeune : MLE-2-a Dagolitus made [this].
>>18488017Critical ApparatusRemarks by Michel Lejeune : MLE-1-aAn inscription of the ieuru type (Lejeune 1980a) with a Subject + Verb + Object (S+V+O) structure.The verb is in the plural form ending in -s; note the exceptional evolution of eu > ou in the root syllable (everywhere else it is ieuru, ieuri, with eu remaining intact, which indicates that this may not be an inherited IE eu diphthong).In asyndeton (a grammatical construction omitting conjunctions, as in *CHE-01-01), there are two subjects; the first is itself a plural, the second is an anthroponym (personal name).The ethnic name Are-sequani: a nominative plural in -ī of the second declension, originating (around the Christian era) from an older -oi; specifically, after the preverb are- less than *p°rĭ- "along/near" (IEW pp. 812, Schmidt 1957 pp. 132). The second term is derived from the hydronym (river name) "Seine" / Sequana, which may have been not *-sequanos but *-sequanios (resulting, then, in the evolution -ioi > -iī > -ī); it is probably a -yo- suffix (Aresequanios), which is not visible here. As the final diphthong -oi shifted to -ī in Gaulish around the Christian era, the old nominative plurals in -oi (TANOTALIKNOI, E-1) and in -yoi (ιεμουριοι, GAR-02-03) both merged into nominative plurals in -ī.It is probable that the "neighbors of Sequana" concerned here are not, in a broad and imprecise sense, the river dwellers along its entire course, but strictly the neighbors of its point of excellence—the place where it springs forth (the Sources of the Seine)....In this case, it is probable that this Ariíos is a local magistrate acting on behalf of the community of the Aresequani in favor of an evergete (a benefactor) whom they decided to honor with a stele, and whose name appears on line 5. This is the only ieuru document where the object is a person's name: a brachylogical (shortened) turn of phrase "to offer someone" meaning "to offer the effigy of someone."
>>18488022de Bernardo Stempel (2013) remarks: "'Areséquani áriios ióuru-s Lúcio Nertecoma[]' is best translated: 'To the goddess at the (river) Sequana; the arios (probably the 1st citizen or priest) offered it for the benefit of Lucius son of Nertecomaros.'"
>>18488010Thank you for the inscription. I've never seen it before, although I have seen the spelling ⟨ariios⟩. It looks like it's being use in the sense "chief" or "lord".
>>18488032>>18488023>>18488022>>18488017Ariíos in this case, is a magistrate, yes.But definitely related
>>18488034>>18488032Did you all realize that you just proved that Ario Gaules isn't an ethnonym? It's simply something that means noble? Thanks for proving it
>>18488035Same situation in Indo-Iranian. It is used in the sense "master, lord" and as an ethnonym.
Friends, I'm going to sleep and you should too. This thread will probably be deleted tomorrow, so I'll see you again in another thread to share more information. God bless you.
>>18488049good night
It surprises me that the thread is still up! Hello everyone, I'm not here to share something new, just an intriguing word I found. I'm not* saying it's a potential cognate, but I thought it was cool. *`χari`* is a possible proper name in the Raetian language, said to be related to Etruscan. The inscription appears in SZ-2.2 as `χari χa remi`, in the nominative case. The χ is strange, and from what I understand, it's the Greek letter chi, with a probable sound of `Kári` or `Rrari`. The genitive would be `χaris` = "of Xari". The reading is uncertain and the exact meaning is lost, since Raetian is a poorly documented language. Who knows? *`χari` = probable personal name in Raetian, perhaps `Kári`, but without certainty of reading or meaning. Very cool and alienhttps://tir.univie.ac.at/wiki/%CF%87ari
>>18488559https://tir.univie.ac.at/wiki/%CF%87aris
>>18488559>Raetian language, said to be related to EtruscanIt's funny because you can find fringe authors talking about Etruscan as an Indo-European language. More recently genetic studies found Etruscans with steppe ancestry, and I don't know if that's supposed to be the original state of affairs but it seems likely that by the time we have attested writings in Etruscan, these people are already mixed. Rhaetic speakers are further north so the situation must be similar.Rhaetic and Etruscan are very likely to have Indo-European substrates by the time the langauges are attested.>The χ is strange, and from what I understand, it's the Greek letter chiThat would in theory reflect PIE *h2.Now as for the classification of Rhaetic and Etruscan, it would be very funny if these were Anatolian languages. I can already see now why some would be prejudiced against the idea. Italy is the wrong place for an Anatolian language. If you are willing to entertain the idea that Proto-Anatolians came from the steppe and the balkans, then this isn't particularly problematic as far as migrations go. One group went west. The other east. If on the other hand, you want Indo-European languages to come from Anatolia and not Europe, you might have ignored this for decades and decided to sweep Rhaetic and Etruscan under the rug without a second thought.I'm not taking a position on this matter, but IE substrates are very likely in these non-IE languages.
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>>18488596>>18488592>>18488589Interesting! To be honest, I don't believe in the Anatolian theory.
>>18488596Maybe Related to Thor?
