Just watch any documentary on Islam or religion, you have a bunch of objective people sat there saying things like >"The amazing majesty of this book being recited, you've never heard anything like it">Listen, observe the wonder of the most rich language">"To hear this book being recited is to hear a miracle in itself, this is not the words of a human being, this is God's speech"Karen Armstrong is a Muslim now? Some random professor from Cambridge or Harvard? they all state this.
>>18486701I think white people are too retarded to be practicing religion. They spent two thousand years murdering people over a dead brownoid named Yeshua and now they're going to spend another two worshiping another dead brown named Muhammad. They're addicted to religion.
>>18486701They do seem to go crazy pretty often, don’t they? Plus Muslims seem to end up fighting everything, including each other all the time. That and Muslim majority countries seem to either be absolute shit holes, or absolute shitholes plastered over with slave labor and petrodollars.
>>18486701Qur'an is nicely written, but Arabic is just a language, it's nothing special.
>>18486701Arabic sounds retarded and is spoken by retarded people practicing brown religion.
>>18486708Arabic is one of the most tonal languages it is beautiful and perfect for singing and poetry
>>18486724Do you speak Arabic?
>>18486724arabic is not human language
>>18486701>be leftard with white guilt who worships brown people>become a professor>"Look how amazing these brown noble savages are."
>>18486701>Karen Armstrong is a Muslim now?No but she is leftard filth.
>>18486743no evidence to support the indo-european horseshit just like theres no evidence for the Q source is it just academic guesswork
>>18486978Retard.
>>18486703White people are the least religious in the world, you retarded subhuman.
>>18486978>Q sourceIt is by definition a hypothetical document, the other minor theories are the farrer hypothesis and the griesbach hypothesis, all of which involve successive copying, and all of which you as a christian apologist should reject. Instead slightly concede luke (or even matthew) copying, but point to them being complimentary and divinely inspired accounts, that share a historic verbal memory. As a muslim, I like the Q source hypothesis, for a variety of reasons.
>>18487051They replaced it with ideology and kept the mania. Retarded nigger animal.
>>18486703>>18487080>saar they are not the religious saar>ok but they are saar just too much saarshit in the toilet please prajesh
>>18487267Indians are a perfect example of the opposite, you retarded brownoid. They display religiosity no matter what and have zero faith in a supernaturally ordered objective moral. Whites are the opposite. They cling onto spooks.
>>18486701There's no such thing as an objective observer.
The Quran isn't amazing, it's repetitive, even more so than the Bible, which appeals to simple minds because simple minds cannot comprehend that something being repeated does not make it true. If you're just looking for the core of every surah in the Quran, you can strip more than ninety percent of the Quran away, because it is all superstitious exhortations. Take the first part of al-Baqarah:>This is the Book! There is no doubt about it—a guide for those mindful ˹of Allah˺, who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and donate from what We have provided for them, and who believe in what has been revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ and what was revealed before you, and have sure faith in the Hereafter. It is they who are ˹truly˺ guided by their Lord, and it is they who will be successful. As for those who persist in disbelief, it is the same whether you warn them or not—they will never believe. Allah has sealed their hearts and their hearing, and their sight is covered. They will suffer a tremendous punishment.Et cetera, et cetera. It makes Muslims feel good, but what does it say? What moral lesson does something like this teach, except to subject yourself to the religious authorities and to shun those who do not?As far as the Arabic language goes: I find it to be a guttural language whose words cannot always be fully translated not because they're too deep but because they're vague ('houri', 'maktoub', et cetera). It's a language that, prior to Muhammed, was meant to be poetic and social more than administrative or precise. And since the Quran has been at the heart of the language since then, it has never developed much beyond that. After all, as the old adage goes, "if a text contradicts the Quran, burn it for doing so; but if it concurs with the Quran, burn it because it is unnecessary". The Quran's dominance in Arab culture has frozen formal Arabic in time.
>>18486705Whether it is nicely written or not is open to interpretation. My interpretation is that it is repetitive and occasionally contradicts itself, which seems to be at odds with the idea that God protects its text from all corruption. It's also worth mentioning that the Quran as we know it today is not Muhammed's, but Uthman's; the third caliph ordered the Quran standardized because there were already several versions with textual differences of varying significance doing the rounds 10-15 years after Muhammed's death.
>>18488591>Whether it is nicely written or not is open to interpretationOkay? Personal opinions notwithstanding, this is an agreed fact in academia, btw. It's use of sajʿ prose, semantic layering, oral-recitative force, intertextuality, ring composition, abrupt perspective shifts and allusive argumentation make it nice to read. It doesn't utilise the greco-roman prose.Prof. Hamilton Gibb calls it "untranslatable", due to it's divine beauty in the original arabic language.Here's a quote from one of the greatest and influential literary figures in the German language Johann Wolfgang von Goethe>However often we turn to it [the Qur'an] at first disgusting us each time afresh, it soon attracts, astounds, and in the end enforces our reverence... Its style, in accordance with its contents and aim is stern, grand, terrible — ever and anon truly sublime — Thus this book will go on exercising through all ages a most potent influence>In no other language, spirit, word, and letter are embodied in such a primal wayArthur Arberry,>The Koran undeniably abounds in fine writing; it has its own extremely individual style... The reader will appreciate the beauty of its rhetoric, the power of its message, and the magnificence of its language>inimitable symphony, the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstasyProf. John nash,>The Qur’an in its original Arabic dress has a seductive beauty and charm of its own. Couched in chaste and elegant diction, its short, couched sentences, often rhymed, possess an expressive force and explosive energy which it is extremely difficult to convey by a literal translationetc, etc>Goes on about historicity, composition, blah blahI don't care. We're talking purely about writing.
