There is something about the 1600s that fascinates me.>30 years war>religious wars everywhere>witch burnings>america is now accessibleThe middle ages ended, but modernity still hasn't begun. It is a period of transition and those are usually always extremely brutal and bloody. None of the naivety of the middle ages remained and to make matters worse new technology made killing each other far easier and more profitable.It's still an extremely barbaric age, yet it's not something completely abstract like the middle ages, it's still closer to us than it is to 1000, even linguistically. That entire era just has such a grimdark aura. I can't be the only one who thinks this.
>>18486863Just look at this shit. And this is in the middle of Europe, not China or something.
PIENSO LO MISMO.EL IMPERIO CATÓLICO ESTABA APTO PARA CRISTIANIZAR Y CIVILIZAR EL ORBE ENTERO, Y, POR ELLO MISMO, LAS FUERZAS SATÁNICAS Y BARBÁRICAS REACCIONARON FORTÍSIMO, COMO JAMÁS ANTES, A TRAVÉS DE LOS ISLAMISTAS, Y DE LOS PROTESTANTES.EL SIGLO XVII, CON TODAS SUS PENUMBRAS, FUE EL PERIODO EN QUE LA CIVILIZACIÓN CULMINÓ; RESPECTO A LAS CIENCIAS, LAS ARTES, LAS TÉCNICAS, TODO HA EMPEORADO DESDE ENTONCES.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSfBgS9WDgEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6bvrjAF00ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz1fKNWTWmA
>>18486863>religious warsMost of those religious wars were literally just "The habsburgs scheme and all of europe tries to kill them for it"
>>18486863I like the 16th and 17th century too due to their transitional nature. None of the naivety of the middle ages remained and to make matters worse new technology made killing each other far easier and more profitable.Medieval wars could also be brutal and extensive. And you are forgetting the emerging of the modern state, which could levy its resources for more effectively, that also occurs in those time periods. Imo the societal changes from fractured feudal networks to more centralised ones is far more important than any change in weaponry. And I would also argue that religious wars were far more common in the 16th century.>>18486869What? This scene shows the execution of soldiers who went rogue and became thiefs, murderers and rapists. This pic is part of a series of pictures which is about the "fate" of a unit. It begins with the recruiting process, shows a battle, then how the scattered soldiers became marauders who raid taverns, villages and abbeys, then how the military searches for and captures them and ultimately the various forms of torture and executions that are beset upon the rogues. There are also scenes about the decrepit and wounded soldiers in hospitals, as beggars on the street and how peasants ambush a group of marauding soldiers. The last picture of this series incidentally shows the distribution of the proper spoils of war: the gentlemen generals and officers surround their king, who bestowes upon them titles.Pic rel is the scene where the military apprehends the marauders.>>18486897No.
>>18486863>It is a period of transition and those are usually always extremely brutal and bloodywrong.
>>18486863i also love the 1600s, such a neat even numberthis was where the world was really starting to get connected>columbian exchange was in full swing>asian wares must flow>potosi silvers fueled global prosperity>trade companies establishing footholds everywhereso comfy to read
>>18486863For such a kino time it is criminal that so little books, movies, and games are set in the period. It’s like the 1600s just doesn’t exist in the minds of normies.
>>18486863You and I think alike. I feel you forget to mention one of the important aspects of the 17th century, science. This is after all the century of Newton, Descartes, Euler, and Galileo (Prominent in 16th but 17th century was fascinated by him).You could see it in the arts, that science was becoming a major aspect for everyone including artists, but people were as religious and fanatic as they were in the middle ages, arguably more so.
>>18486997The three musketeers take place in the 1600s. I can't disagree though, there should be more books taking place in the 1600s
>>18486897Huge oversimplification of what was essentially the “Great War” of that period in European history.
>>18487002I am reading “Alatriste” in Spanish rn. It’s pretty good. There’s also a Spanish film adaptation which is extremely kino.
>>18486863The battle of Sekigahara!
>>18486863Earth axis of rotation changed and its orbit. It caused change of climate(real) and weather pattern.
>>18486997Curiously, much of world history between the end of the medieval era and the early 1700s lacks records. The 1600s is notable for the amount of old world destruction and heightened colonial genocide took place. Which is interesting when it comes to North America. Why did it take 150 years to conquer some scattered hunter-gatherers who supposedly never traded with other countries? Such an asymmetric war should have taken only a few decades.
>>18487042CLIMACTIC CATASTROPHES —THE MAUNDER MINIMUM INCLUDED— ARE CAUSED BY THE SUN.THE EARTH DOES NOT «CHANGE ITS ROTATION», BECAUSE IT IS NOT EVEN ROTATING, NOR DOES IT HAVE AN ORBIT.
17th century colonial North America in very underrated. Jamestown, Plymouth, Salem witch trials—that’s about all most people know. The Indian wars made the later stuff on the plains seem like a love-in, with apocalyptic clashes where the natives stood a fighting chance. A King Phillip’s War movie or miniseries would be ultra kino.
>>18487052There is a plethora of written sources from the 16th century.>Which is interesting when it comes to North America. Why did it take 150 years to conquer some scattered hunter-gatherers who supposedly never traded with other countries?Because the colonialisation of the Americas wasn't a project of a united Europe, the Americas are really large, many european settlers kept dying off at high rates, only a limited amount of people actually wanted to settle there permanently and most importantly: the european states constantly waged wars against themselves, which all spilled over into their colonies.
>>18487078Is it even conspiratorial at this point to suggest that everything in Europe is an invention of Rome and at a high enough level everyone's been on the same side for hundreds of years?
>>18486863The 1600s was such a wild century. What you mentioned, along with the Manchu conquests, mass plague outbreaks, the Time of Troubles still ongoing, English Civil War, conquest of Ireland, Great Turkish War, Native Americans still dropping like flies from disease, end stage of the Sengoku period, etc. And a little ice age to top it off. Absolute shit time to be alive.
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>>18486997I was compiling a list of vidya games set in different centuries and I came up blank with the 17th century. Literally all I have is the Thirty Years War bookmark in EU4. The 16th century is bad too, all I have for that is Assassin's Creed Revelations and Pentiment.
>>18487108Nioh if you want to count that lol
>>18486897>The habsburgs scheme and all of europe tries to kill them for ityou should read about the Bourbons meddlings in Habsburgs affairs (not that the Habsburgs were angels, but) the thirty years wars, the war of spanish succession was a series of elaborated schemes from the french monarchy to destroy the first european superpower since the fall of the roman empire. The so called "Bourbon reforms" in the Spanish Empire was so insidious that may be the real cause behind the loss of an entire continent during the civil war, not to mention all those european territories Spain lost because of those crypto calvinists
>>18486997Yeah there's so little if you're an ESL retard who has only read books written in the last 20 yearsRetard
>>18487114Should've mentioned I was trying to keep things at least somewhat historically accurate. AC Valhalla made it into the list juuuuust barely. Also I guess AC Shadows counts but I have no interest in nigging it up as a samurai.
>>18486998Middle ages wasn't quite as bad, because it was still extremely primitive. As bad as the black plague was, people didn't really go to war that much. Humans were more useful alive as tax payers and peasants than dead and there wasn't that much to gain, since everything was a shithole.The 1600s is that sweetspot where it was sufficiently advanced technologically that the greed and ambition of peoples was unleashed. Distances mattered less with advanced ships. Powder meant dominating others is not just a power fantasy but realistically possible.
>>18486967Lmao bro you samefagged but you used the exact same wording from the OP and made it extremely obvious
>>18486863>>18486869Its the most kino part of history for a reason
>>18486869How do the principles of Christianity justify such barbarism?
>>18487401Yeah... granted I forgot one meme arrow when I quoted him.>>18487423Public executions of robbers, rapist and murderers were the norm until the first quarter of the 20th century.
I have a theory that Jesus did show up during this time somewhat like Odin and hid and observed and intervened at certain points.Has anyone thought of this before?
yeah it was comfy
>>18487118>The so called "Bourbon reforms" in the Spanish Empire was so insidious that may be the real cause behind the loss of an entire continent during the civil war, not to mention all those european territories Spain lost because of those crypto calvinistsTell me more anon I'm interested.
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>>18487423Simple. They cease being Christian
>>18487094>phantom time theories(many)every one of them is pretty interesting read
Is it true that the 1600s were much more pessimistic? I get the vibes from the religious revivalism that there was a feeling of general social decay and decline. Living standards were also declining, modernized logistics meant that the capacity for strip mining foraging increased during wartime (the 30 year war especially), and actual malthusian limitations were starting to be seen in many industries, especially with wood (Holznot). It's wild to imagine that while they were colonizing the world and shooting ahead, back home the perspective was doomer.
>>18490076The amount of people dying from disease at that time is staggering. It makes me grateful to not live in a world where I puke blood, have painful pimples all over my face, drink dirty water consisting of shit particles and microbes, get "treated" by doctors with no anesthesia as well as abused, and be on constant agony at an overcrowded rotten hospital because I happened to get a small wound. I don't know how my ancestors managed to tolerate all of this and much more.
While the rest of Europe was busy killing each other, we were out here making MONEYYYY.Mercantilist fucks can suck my Grotian cock. Fuck you Louis XIV.
>>18487108Its an underrated period for visual. Someone should fix that
>>18490445Vidya*Meant to say
>>18490076Likely because the 16th century was also filled with large and destructive wars that were waged all over Europe. All the songs and poems from this time I know are about wars and the resulting devastation. And then there were all the societal changes that occurred during those times, when states began to amass more power at the cost of previous commonly used resources. Related to the Holznot is the fact that early modern states had a vast need for specifc types of lumber and thus many forests were "nationalised" and professional forest managements were established - all with the sole goal of regulated and rationalised lumber production. The previous forms of silvopasture were displaced and the farmers which partly relied on them had to search for other measures to aid their subsistence. And the losses of those old commonly used resources and privileges was hartfeld. One of the reasons for the German Peasants War of 1524 were those losses - but one and two years earlier there were also rebellions by the petty nobility waged in nearly the same area; and those rebellions were also justified with the loss of old privleges and customary rights in the face of the every centralising modern states.>>18490191Yeah, massive armies travelled all over Europe and thus were primary vectors for diseases. Practically every early modern siege goes hand in hand with some plague outbreak.
>>18487558He's within you and everyone.
>>18490199>While the rest of Europe was busy killing each otherThe netherlands was actively taking part in the european military affairs and the territory itself was the theater of several conflicts
>>18490500Source?
>>18490445>>18490449the og ass creed developers had a game concept called Amsterdam 1666 that ended up getting shelved. always thought dutch golden age cities would be the perfect setting for an asscreed
>>18490528instead they made a game about monkeys swinging around in trees and it was one of the shittest games I ever played.
