I'm interested in engaging with those familiar with the critical scholarship on early Islamic history, particularly regarding the formation of what later became the “official” narrative (Sunna, biography of Muhammad, early historiography).>Popular works include:-Patricia Crone – Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic World-Édouard-M Gallez – The messiah and his prophet -Dan Gibson – Quranic GeographyI'd like to open a serious discussion on themes such as:>Geographical and historical inconsistencies in early sources>analysis of key terms and proper names in the Qur’anic corpus and early Islamic tradition>The relationship between emerging Islam and contemporaneous religious & political contexts>The processes through which early narratives may have been constructed & transmittedYou name itbasically share any hypothesis which could come in contradiction with the official narrative on the birth of Islam
Muhammad was a slave to Al-Zutt.
>>18506380Asking Pakistani Bro is probably your best option, this is his Youtube.https://www.youtube.com/@WasifAli03/shorts
>I'm interested in discussing what doesn't matter
>>18506380The Jahiliyah is propaganda. There is literally no real archaeological evidence that burying female infants alive was a widespread practice among Arab pagans. Not even contemporary Christian writers ever mentioned it which is telling since they hated all forms of paganism and did everything they could to frame them in a negative lens. While they did have a tendency to exaggerate or make up certain things, we know for a fact that if a practice really did exist and was widespread among pagans, Christian writers would have certainly mentioned it and the fact that not a single one of them mentions this practice (especially in passages detailing Arab customs) is a clear indication that the practice of burying female infants alive is a later revisionist polemic.
>>18507097The Qur'an was revealed 23 years over the ministry of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as a pedagogical text. It presents this practice (doesn't have to be widespread) indirectly to the arab listeners, for them to reflect upon. Such a nuanced commentary meant purely as a later polemic wouldn't be written in this tone, if that practice didn't exist in those lands. Of course, this is a moot point if you disagree with that premise altogether.Look at these 2 examples, one creating a juxtoposition; painting the total breakdown of the known world. As the stars are being deprived of their light, as the universe is being torn asunder, God looks upon this one single and insignificant act of man. Warning the reader present during its revelation that nothing will escape His judgement. The wordless child is being asked what it's crime was? Not the parent.>When the sun is put out,and when the stars fall down,and when the mountains are blown away,and when the pregnant camel are left untended,>and when the savage beasts are mustered,and when the seas are set on fire,and when the souls are paired,>and when the baby girls buried alive will be asked for what crime they were put to death,and when the records are laid open, and when the sky will be stripped away,and the Hellfire will be fiercely flamed,>and when Paradise will be brought near then each soul will know what it has brought forth.>So I swear by the receding stars-which travel and hide,by the night as it falls,and by the dawn as it breaks! Indeed, this ˹Qur'an˺ is the word of God
>>18507146another example about God commenting on the polytheistic practices of the daughters of hubal, the central diety of the Arabs; al-lat, al-uzza and manat.God is admonsihing the Arabs in another indirect way, by calling upon their hypocrisy. That they would worship the daughters of their diety, (in another instance he says the same thing about angles) of their 'Allah', but feel shame when God blesses them one.>They assign daughters to God, while for themselves they choose what they desire. When one of them is given news of a daughter, his face darkens and he is filled with grief…Shall he keep her in humiliation or bury her in the dust? How evil is their judgment!
>>18507146>>18507150AL-SAAYYYYIIDD
>>18507146>>18507150Tldr it uses both eschatological judgment and rhetorical traps to shame the people present during the Prophet's time. It's a moral condemnation meant to provoke reflection within the reader, a practice attacked through various ways. All of which fundamentally wouldn't work if the arabs don't find it socially intelligible.
>I am seeking confirmation of my biasOK
>>18507176You have failed to present an argument and are sweating
>>18506651I truly do not give a shit about this joke religion but "Zutt" is not only blatant misinformation, its also an incredibly unfunny forced meme
>>18507199I astral projected my spirit into the past and personally witnessed the prophet Muhammad offering his ass to Indian men.
>>18506380>analysis of key terms and proper names in the Qur’anic corpus and early Islamic traditionI know that secular academic scholars disagrees with Islamic scholars on the definition of ummi. Secular academia makes a pretty compelling case as to why ummi most likely means something along the lines as "gentile" or "one without scripture" as in those who do not follow a religion with a prophet like Moses, Jesus, etc. But Islamic scholars still stick to hadith and other dubious sources that insist that ummi means illiterate. I've never seen a Muslims scholar address this to be honest, and seeing that would be interesting.I'm also curious as to any other disagreements of definitions that exist. Any anons know of any more?
>>18506380>-Patricia Crone – Hagarism: The Making of the Islamic WorldDebunked decades ago after carbon dating early Qurans proved they are authentic.
I know Muhammad (pbuh) was a true prophet, because only one beloved of Allah could handle a BBC the way he did.
