What is the link between not believing in the supernatural and promoting degeneracy and abortion? It's easy to say these things are not related in any way but observable reality clearly shows otherwise. We can all agree you'd be quite hard pressed to find a supernatural advocate in the degenerate abortionist camp.
I'm pro abortion. Every baby has at least a small chance of being the antichrist, so we should try to maximize abortions to be safe
>>18509951All pro-life arguments rely on some form of mysticism, be it a god cope, soul cope, divine spark cope etc. A rational thinker understands that a fetus is nothing special, just a bundle of nerves and meat
>>18510101if there's no free will you are also a bundle of nerves and meat
>>18509951I am an occultist and am pro-abortion because I also think we need eugenics. Abortion is literally just bloodless non-violent eugenics with retards taking themselves out of the gene pool. I don't think most people have souls and are spiritually on the same level as cattle desu
>>18510119Free will doesn't require God + scientists debate whether we even have free will. As for the bundle of nerves and meat, yes, there's nothing separating a human from ant other animal besides a higher developed brain that allows us to schizo out and make up things like philosophy.
>>18510131that's right, you are an organic bot no more valuable than a fetus
>>18510119>>18510131>>18510135No member of the species homo sapiens is truly human until they are sapient
>>18510137without free will nobody is truly sapient, it's all automatic processes
>>18510119Free will is a christian myth. It's insane to me that modern humans have to come up with all this made up shit like soul and free will just to be okay with existing.
>>18509951>What is the link between not believing in the supernatural and promoting degeneracy and abortion?A spiritual void causing a regression to an animal-like motive structure. It really is that simple and atheists will readily admit to it if you ask them in the right context using the right words.
>>18510264Contra abortion is the most animal-like pro nature stance you can have. Nature doesn't want you to abort.
>>18510273Nature doesn't "want" anything. Becky wants to ride the cock carousel but she doesn't want responsibility. Since she doesn't believe in anything greater than herself (with the possible exception of the niggercattle collective) everything is about what she wants. There's nothing more to it.
>>18509951The link is that religion roots morality in the millenia it was made up so any new sophisticated moral standards seem like degeneracy to someone bound by his fantasy book (until they accept it because 99% of the pop accepts it and in turn they pretend the book was allegorical)
>>18510279>new sophisticated moral standardsQRD?
>>18510281gay anal sex and children raised by the State. it's sophisticated. you wouldn't get it.
>>18510137>until they are sapientGoing to a prenatal appointment today. I'll be sure to ask the doctor when they administer the sapience test. I'm sure they won't look at me like a retard.
>>18510137>No member of the species homo sapiens is truly human until they are sapientI agree with this, which is why I don't consider you to be truly human. Is it ok to kill you?
>>18510286That's the thing anon, the subtext of pro-abort arguments is always that it's okay to kill them. They are so disconnected from the value of life itself that they genuinely want to die, but are ashamed to admit it. Their antinatalist arguments betray this. They universally wish they had never been born, so they project that onto babies.
>>18510281People can have sex with whoever they want, women don't have to be bound 9 months to a sick person just because "she'd be a meanie otherwise", the abolition of slavery, the end of monarchies, laws on animal experimentation, moratorium on whaling, the abolition of racist laws, worker rights and benefits, government sponsored programs for the homeless instead of the very inneficatious "charity", some more evolved countries have free healthcare, voting rights, freedom of the press, free artistic expression...All the things you call degeneracy, for the reasons I explained in my other post. (And add some nietzchean ressentiment for why you metacognitively use religion as a way to appear virtuous and to encroach on women's freedom to have sex with anyone but you)I have very little regards for npcs like you that for millenias have kept the same unoriginal schtick >But that's muh degeneracyYou will not grow out of it because you are a flawed machine of regress
>>18510303>i can do X>i don't have to do Y>i like how the government does ZOk, but can you specify the "sophisticated moral standard" you mentioned?
>>18510305It's a combination of consent, harm reduction, and utilitarianism.
>>18510305Yes, I'm more materialist than you I figured as much since I don't believe in god or in words that have been misused into implying absolute like morality.
>>18510311do you not find any concern in the fact that people like you are the eternal victims of history to people who DO believe in something (even if it's completely fake)? surely you've invented SOME metaphysics for yourself to stave off insanity?
>>18510303how does killing babies fit into any of this?
>>18510289Pronatalism is worse though. Pronatalists want to force rape victims to give birth to a child that will go unloved by its mother. Pronatalists promote dysgenics and the degradation of humanity. Pronatalists think its virtuous to bring children into a world not worth living in. Pronatalists think its virtuous to bring children into a life of poverty.Pronatalism is inherently cruel and anti-human. Pronatalism would rather have an overpopulated world full of misery and poverty rather than allow one abortion. They are the ones who degrade human life.
>>18510317>Pronatalists think its virtuous to bring children into a world not worth living in.you mean that world after 200 years of progress?
>>18510313No>>18510314The gosh darned children! Someone just think of mah pooor little babies
>>18510303>ressentimentThe French commie anon who was getting bodied in the other thread about communism also overused this word like he had just read about it and was perseverating. That you, Frankofag?
>>18510317>If we just murder everyone, there will be no suffering! I am a good person!Start with yourself, faggot.
>>18510321Yeah, I was getting so bodied people devolved into little children insults and saying they would testify in heaven against me out of frustration lmaoo
>>18510320>The gosh darned children! Someone just think of mah pooor little babiesnot an argument. you are mocking murder victims, your morality seems like an empty show
>>18510328he's already acknowledged that he does not care if he is killed and his ideology dies out. so he is not worthy of debate in the first place.
>>18510317>Pronatalists want to force rape victims to give birth to a child that will go unloved by its mother.Most rape victims love their children. You pretend that it is a given that the mother will hold the child accountable for its father's crimes because you are a retard with no morals.
>>18510328>>18510332Such snowflakes
>>18510325When you can be so readily identified on an anonymous forum just by your retarded pattern of speech and pseudointellectualism, you might consider that you don't have a very wide breadth of knowledge or behavior. Stunted might be the word.
>>18510340I call that "style" and "elegance" but that's all right
>>18510340Kek. That would require self-awareness. Show me any lefty actually capable of that, I'll pay you $10,000.
>>18510325>they would testify in heaven against meThay was me, actually. It still holds true, but it's not too late fore you to humble yourself, repent, and accept that you're not (and indeed cannot be from your limited perspective) the ultimate authority on morality. Turn to Christ and live, anon.
>>18510335It doesn't matter. Such a child is statistically more prone to be a rapist than other males. And yes, there are studies about this. Sexual offending runs in families and it's strongly correlated with genes. Sexual violence emerged because losers had to rape females to produce offspring. They obviously don't deserve to pass their inferior rapist genes, so killing such a child in early embryonic stage should be mandatory.
>>18510322Do you also want to delay euthanasia to those who are dying a slow painful death from an incurable illness? You pronatalists are way worse than the strawman you make of me. In the modern era pronatalist ideology is in practice nothing more than acting as breeding cattle to produce more slaves for elites. Or you are an elite yourself and are just trying to psyop your slaves to produce more slaves. Antinatalism is not a disease, it is a symptom of a bad society.
>>18510349>Such a child is statistically more prone to be a rapist than other males. And yes, there are studies about this. Sexual offending runs in families and it's strongly correlated with genes.Are you being racist right now, anon? It sounds like this is what a racist would say.
>>18510350>Do you also want to delay euthanasia to those who are dying a slow painful death from an incurable illness?Yes, because it's not our place to kill people. I'd say when the third leading cause of death in the developed world is the medical system itself, we can't rely on doctors to know what disease is and isn't a guaranteed death sentence in the first place. Get doctors to get it right all the time and we'll revisit this.
>>18510349I'm not sure how "offending" or "violence" is a problem when nothing matters.
>>18510350Are the elites in the room with you right now, you schizophrenic faggot?
>>18510349>Such a child is statistically more prone to be a rapist than other males. And yes, there are studies about this. Sexual offending runs in families and it's strongly correlated with genes.You are highly aligned with Nazis, you just want to get to the final solution at an earlier stage of human development than they do. Lmao, what a fucking joke you are.
>>18510351Well, I'm a pretty racist person, but this is not racism.
>>18510357Every society has a ruling class AKA elites. There are always people with positions of cultural, political, religious and economic power.
>>18510313>surely you also made up some elaborate cope about your own percieved importance?!embarrassing
>>18510360They had some good ideas, yes, but final solution was about Jews. Embryos don't think and don't feel much, if they applied Aktion T4 only to embryos then I would be perfectly fine with it. Down syndrome nearly disappeared from Iceland thanks to abortion and that's a good thing.
>>18510368A sleeping person isn't thinking or feeling. If I shoot you in the head while you're sleeping, is that fine?
>>18510273"Naturally" women are supposed to have at least a couple of miscarriages and some infant death before they bear a son strong enough to survive. Before industrial revolution infant mortality was close to 50%. Nature wants most babies to die as a form of eugenic improvement
>>18510368>"Duuuhhh yeah, but I'm bot talking about killing jews, I'm talking about killing every baby who doesn't fit my arbitrary standards, so it's okay."
>>18510318if these degenerates had a time machine they'd go back to the 17th century and hand out contraceptives to their ancestors
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