>In 1939, there was 1 car in Germany for every 47 Germans.They really thought they could take over Europe and Russia with fucking horses?
>>18658173They wouldn’t be fucking the horses they’d be using them to pull wagons. They also had trains and a fair amount of trucks, trains are really what you need not automobiles
>>18658173Horses were still common logistics, only American logistics were 100% trucks and rail during the war.
>>18658173Worked for most of europe. Would have worked for russia too if not for those meddling americans (which to be fair we should have expected.)
>>18658210Or if we'd come as liberators rather than genociders. I know that was the point in the first place, but it seems really dumb in retrospect.
>>18658179French army had 3x more trucks and cars than Germans
>>18658173whole WW2 was just a countdown before the might of USA crushes german cockroach
>>18658173>there was 1 car for every 47 germansHow did they all fit?
>>18658226And yet Germans fucked France with motorized forces.
>>18658229They focused all their elite mechanised division in one big thrust
>>18658238And? France still had the advantage.
>>18658253Case yellow was unbelieveably lucky, literally everything could have gone wrong.Almost the entire German command opposed the idea because it required pretty much all the stars to be aligned to work, or it would end in complete disaster and an end to the war for Germany. Hitler literally had to veto the plan for German high command to accept it.
>>18658173Werre things in Croatia really going so badly they didn't control most of the country? Wtf
>>18659066Btw this map has the wrong borders in Italy. The Operationzones did not go that far south.
>>18658210>Would have workedGermany couldn't even capture Leningrad or Stalingrad, how the fuck would they possibly capture a metropolis the size of Moscow?
>>18659019>it was a bad plan t-they just got luckyLet me guess, meth carried them or something?
>>18659158All Germaboos belive Germany could solo the USSR, even when their own high command didn't even think so. Blitz it? Maybe, but if they failed and stalled, the USSR would build up and destroy them. Which is what happened.Most lend lease arrived after USSR stopped the Germans in a stalemate.
>>18658179The British army was almost completely motorized as well.America jus had a 10x quantity superiority.OP is under a false premise btw because he assumes Germany had plans to "conquer Europe", when in reality they feared the prospect of going to war wiith Britain and France but Ribbentrop and Hitler were convinced that they could get away with a local war against Poland without western intervention. They knew they were in deep shit once the British war declaration arrived (Paul Schmidts recount of that day).
>>18659300Even if everything went well for germany, at best they could have only secured a temporary ceasefire with limited gains in the baltic, and western ukraine/belarus.
>>18659019Holy cope>everything was likely to go wrong>but in fact everything went rightBoth statements being true has a chance of close to zero
>>18659066It definitely wasn't that bad, or else the East would also look just as horrible. They should've just used white/red stripes to show contested zones between the Axis/Partisans.
>>18658253nope, France was a weak country with worse industry and Germany had twice the population of France, it was David vs Goliath thing
>>18658179>>18658226So what the problem?
>>18659158Actually they probably could have captured Leningrad but Shitler was more content with shelling Leningrad and starving it's citizens for 4 years
>>18659528The map makes some really weird Choices. Like coloring in Bulgaria, Romania, and Hungary (all of which were iirc still sovereign atp) while coloring Slovakia white for some reason.>>18659661The U.S has/had a comically robust logistics aparatus, they used Donkeys in Afghan because it was the most cost effective way. But if they really wanted to get something somewhere, they would get it there. The most impressive thing about the U.S armed forces has historically been its logistics and Navy, not ability to take potshots at insurgents.A couple cape-shitty examples of /his/torical U.S logistical capacity are the classic Pacific war ice-cream barges and the Berlin airlift.
>>18658173It's not a matter of thought, its a matter of need. They either expanded or ended up crushed under the heel of the hostile Western or Soviet powers, peace was never an option. Better to attempt intendance than submitting to foreign domination.
>>18660116minus the fact that UK and USA wanted peace and trade with Germans by giving them tons of loans, until an insane austrian tranny took over and declared unwinable war where 70m people died
>>18658177>blah blah blahYOU LOST TRANNY
>>18658227And the Americans, what color are they now?
>>18659358>The British army was almost completely motorized as well.all two (2) divisions
>>18659497>t. hasn't read any history whatsoever
>>18660116all wrong
>>18660358Of shit
>>18658220The pragmatic thing would be just to pull a Britain and promise these eastern territories independence or land gains and just break the promises once the USSR is dealt with. This is probably what someone like Bismarck would've done. Hitler was dead-set on accomplishing 50 years of expansion in 5 years and paid the price.
>>18658173>They really thought they could take over EuropeNot initially, initially there was a ton of doubt and apprehension, a lot of people both in command and the rank and file legitimately thought this would be Version 2.0 of Trench warfare. But they kept attacking and it just kept working. >and Russia with fucking horses?Why not? Like I said, they had kept going and attacking and it had kept working. Hubris is a hell of a thing.
>>18658210>Would have worked for russia too if not for those meddling americans Yes those meddling Americans....Selling things. >(which to be fair we should have expected.)And that kind of speaks volumes. Never mind about lend lease. Assuming the Nazis had no goddamn idea Lend lease would ever be a thing, it should 100% be expected that the USA, with its massive manufacturing base, would profit from the war somehow or try to at least. The idea that Germany would ever think that the only thing it would have had to contend with was Soviet manufacturing shoudl immediately let you know that the guys in charge over in Berlin are in way over their heads. It's "no one had any idea they'd block the strait, it's unthinkable!" But way back in 1941.
Mongols did it
>>18658173>take russia with horsesworked for the mongols
>>18658210Germany was never even remotely close to defeating the USSR
>>18659196It wasnt a bad plan, it was just an extremely high-risk-high-reward plan. A complete gamble that relied on everything being executed perfectly (which never happens).
>>18658173Germany's biggest problem was the gauge difference, it slowed logistics to a crawl
>>18661046The mongols are the exception to most historical norms.
>>18660358Lol seethe dork
>>18661455So it isn't a plan because it is high risk? The validity of a plan in war is defined by one factor: Does it work? It worked in France, so it was valid. You can endlessly argue about how it would have failed if France did X or Y, but nobody cares, because France didn't do anything. As Napoleon himself said, >I'd rather have lucky generals than good ones
>>18658173>They really thoughtmost leaders are not intelligent.Before starting a war they dont do simple numbers calculations; i.e. who has more people or stuff.Sounds crazy but history is littered with those stories. Famous example is Bismarck/France. Over time France went from outnumbering the Germans to not outnumbering them. France refused to acknowledge this until after they lost a war.
>>18661574It only ''worked'' because germshits had the numerical advantage.
>>18661637Ok and the Soviet plan only "worked" because they had numerical advantage, what's your point?
>>18661650the point is that krautniggers lost the war and wehrmacht is overrated.>because they had numerical advantageExcept they didn't, you dumb fuck. Red army only gained numerical superiority until after Stalingrad.
>>18661656>the point is that krautniggers lost the war .We are talking about France. >wehrmacht is overrated.Get with the time, Wehraboos are a dead species, what you say can be seen under any comment section on Youtube or even here. You do possess any unique knowledge, so don't come at with "overrated".> Red army only gained numerical superiority until after Stalingrad.Not in most battles, no. The Red Army had local superiority almost during every battle since the start of the war. Not to forget that the Red Army had more tanks and Planes, which is far more significant than the few hundred tousand Eastern European conscripts that were assisting the Germans.And they already outnumbered the Axis by the Winter of 1941, long before Stalingrad
>>18661667>The Red Army had local superiority almost during every battle since the start of the war.They did not, you tard. Barbarossa was literally 4 million germans against 2.5 .million Russians, caught off guard.
>>18661670Most Germans did not participate in combat during Operation Barbarossa. THe vast majority of the Axis were horse drawn, so they were behind the motorized divisions. The fighting was done by the minority of the army during the entire Operation. Also, it were 3 Million Germans and 600.000-800.000 additional Axis troops. Not 5 Millions. Where do you even get your numbers?
>>18661685It was 4 million axis troops. I never said it was 5 million. dumb fuck
>>18661707>was literally 4 Million Germans against 2.5 Million RussiansI do admit my mistake for missreading the 4 as a 5, my point still stands.
>>18661713Nice fake AI made graph bro.
>>18661729I have pulled this from the internet, but these are widely accepted numbers by everyone who is not from your own personal echo chamber. You are free to provide your own sources, but I have yet to see some
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>>18661733My source is that: Wehrmacht lost the war.
>>18661745So now we are moving goalposts again, from that I infer you have no argument and concede that the Red Army only won through superior numbers? Fine for me
>>18661750no it was Wehrmacht that was initially winning through sup superior numbers.
>>18658227>US will never be led by a Roosevelt again
>>18659358Hitler was always going to invade Russia.
>>18660450Don't knock Soviet manufacturing either. They pumped out crazy volume. Learned from American engineers.
