How is it that a Semitic group of people who had no interaction with the Indo Europeans developed a pantheon that ended up being similar? The only form of possible cultural and religious pollination would be the dog guardian motif but that was mainly derived from ANE which only made up a small slice of their dna.>In Mesopotamia, the goddess Nintinugga, associated with healing, was accompanied or symbolized by dogs. Similar absorbent-puppy healing and sacrifice rituals were practiced in Greece and Italy, among the Hittites, again possibly influenced by Near Eastern traditions
Because humans aren't really that creative so often times we associate similar ideas with each other even if we come from an entirely different culture
>>18667073>who had no interaction with the Indo EuropeansActually, this premise should be questioned. See the Euphratic hypothesis:https://www.academia.edu/1869616/The_Case_for_EuphraticMore recently seeBernard, C. B., & Solans, G. (2024). Indo-European speakers in the Ancient Near East: New evidence. The Speakers of Indo-European and Their World, 9, 69.https://doi.org/10.29091/9783752003659
>>18667073Semitic missionariesNorse mythology has canaanite origins
>>18667083Gonna look through this, thought this was an “AYO, HOL’ UP” moment but apparently R1b is found there.
>>18667117The important part is that it's Yamnaya R1b in the Middle East, not just any R1b subclade.
>>18667076>Because humans aren't really that creativeCoincidence bros... our response?? >>18667083It's over.
>>18667073There was a good amount of contact between Eastern Indo-Europeans like the Hittites and Greeks and the Semites in Mesopotamia.
>>18667117>>18667083There's no evidence for any Indo-European migration to Mesopotamia.
>>18667073IE = EHG + CHG.Caucasus is the link. It's cross pollination between Levant, Anatolia, and Caucasus.
>>18667141>Umman Manda>Hittites>Mittanni>spoked wheel found in the Levant>iRoN cHaRiOtS>King Tut's haplogroupAnon, I...
>>18667141You lost: >>18667083
>>18667073>Similar absorbent-puppy healing and sacrifice rituals were practiced in Greece and Italy, among the Hittites, again possibly influenced by Near Eastern traditionsman, I'm glad all these civillizations and their cultures don't exist anymore; leave the dogs alone you lunatics, what was wrong with these people?
>>18667230>what was wrong with these people?consider that the average lifespan of a dog is 10 years, the same as the time from childhood to adulthood. Indo-Europeans and American Indian tribesmen would give their sons a dog that would grow up alongside them, when they reached maturity, and the dog was near death, they'd sacrifice the dog and wear his wolfskin, symbolically becoming the wolf.Dogs will also famously eat their human master if he dies, even after a lifetime of loyalty and close relation. This was probably incredibly disturbing for ancient people, there was no worse fate than to die in the wilderness on a hunt or in battle with their dog and end up eaten by their own dog.Traumatic memory of such events gave rise to the myth of Ceberus, the Dog of Death that guards the underworld.
>>18667225Where's the archaeological and genetic evidence
>>18667644Read the paper you were linked to. The fact that there is genetic evidence was even posted in the introduction in the attached picture.Yamnaya admixed samples in the Near East have been recognized by archaeogenetics researchers for a while now but they have not been widely talked about outside those circles.
>>18667674>Yamnaya admixed samples in the Near East have beenWhere? >The fact that there is genetic evidence was even posted in the introduction in the attached picture.Haplogroups only
>>18667073>Semitic group of people who had no interactionThe was a trans-Caucasian trading root. PIE had some borrowings from (proto-?)Semitic, like tawros. Also, there was a thread not long ago, in which anon suggested some IEs could serve as mercenaries in the region.
>>18667811People are generally aware that Yamnaya-admixed groups were traveling around the Caucasus. For example, Armenians have Yamnaya admixture, not Corded Ware.https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/3-800-year-old-burial-of-tall-warrior-buried-with-4-pronged-spearhead-unearthed-in-azerbaijan>An analysis of the man's skeletal remains indicate that he stood around 6 feet, 7 inches (2 meters) tall when he was alive in about 1800 B.C., during the Middle Bronze Age.But the fact that we have evidence of these Yamnaya-derived Indo-Europeans going beyond the Caucasus is less talked about. Here is a prominent example:https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/04/likely-yamnaya-incursions-into.htmlIn the G25 dataset there are a number of samples which indicate a cline of Yamnaya admixture existed from Iran to the Levant.
