Was Vietnam the American Ukraine war?
>>18715714In what sense? They're really not comparable. Vietnam was not the meat grinder Ukraine has been (58,281 Americans dead in 19 years of war vs over 243,674 Russians dead in just 4 years) nor was it a war between conventional forces most of the time (conventional battles did occur but were few and far between. Most of the war consisted of guerrila skirmishes).
>>18715726russians can't win unless millions of them die first
>>18715726We literally have no idea yet how many that has died in the Ukraine war, and we will likely never know within our lifetime.
>>18715714Not at all, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is more analogous to Vietnam
>>18715726guerilla warfare needs to be classified as a war crime.
>>18715714no they are very different conflicts in scope and intention
>>18715726Both are aggressive imperial wars, not defensive wars. Vietnam never threatened the US. In both cases a much larger power can't crush a smaller nation. There are definitely parallels.
>>18715714Korea would be America's Ukraine.
>>18716050Only superficially:>Vietnam>Was a hybrid between a conventional and asymmetric war with the US fighting both the NVA and VC>Was geographically distant from the US as they had to cross the entire Pacific just to get there>There were political restraints the US were forced to deal with — They couldn't invade North Vietnam, Laos or Cambodia proper>The war was an early attempt at 'nation-building' as the US was trying to stabilize South Vietnam from Northern aggression>The US never annexed Vietnamese landsNow compare this to Ukraine:>Purely conventional war between near-peer states>Borders Russia directly>Russia didn't face the same political constraints, they immediately went for Kiev and failed>The war is an attempt of deposing the Ukrainian government and installing a Russian-friendly one>Russia annexed Ukrainian lands
>>18715753So George Washington should be posthumously tried for war crimes?
>>18716050Domino theory is true, and North Vietnam attacked South Vietnam a US ally
>>18715714The closest analouge to the Ukraine war is Japan's Imjin war.>large country invades small-ish neighbor>it should just be a speed bump before they can invade China/Europe to create a massive empire>invasion already grinds to a halt in small country>massive meatgrinder on both sides>invader's navy is joke>peace talks drag on for years and go nowhere, invaders' leader clearly has no exit plan>the war will probably last until his death >the defenders allies provide crucial help at times but they are also very incompetent and divided
>>18715714An American Ukraine war would be an invasion of Mexico where the 82nd Airborne is massacred as they are dropped into a lake near Mexico city, then the USS Gerald R. Ford gets sunk by some IED-d motorboats operated by a cartel. While the US Army is stuck beseiging the town of Monclova, someone blows up Roger Stone's daughter in New York, then a PMC led by Guy Fieri attempts to coup the government.
>>18716149Everything you posted is 100% plausible and honestly sounds unbelievably kino.
>>18716149Based Mexico
>>18715726>243,674 Russians dead in just 4 yearsIt's more like 700-800k by this point
>>18715714Ukraine situation is more like Bay of Pigs (hostile regime near border) mixed with Texas-Mexico war (foreign country wanting to conquer American land and remove the people off it).
‘Republic of Texas’ under Steve Austin is highly analagous to Donetsk Repunlic of Pushilin if you think about it.
>>18715753The right to resist occupation is a thing according to the Red Cross website, so by definition, guerrilla warfare is protected by international law.
>>18715714Vietnam is the Soviet-Afghan War you retard
>>18716149You forgot>KKKlanrovites and Human Relations Councils-deputized BLM have an open reign of terror in rear security areas, using their status as blocking detachments as a pretense to engage in robbery, rape, and murder of draftees, as well as opening fire on each other constantly>despite paying off David Duke and his KKKlanrovites to maintain order, rumblings of dissent arise again in the South, a Third War Between the States is on the horizon>draftees are reportedly unable to operate their M60E2023s due to their upgrades packages having their instructions written in Korean>Robert E. Lee Peacekeeping Battalion of Confederados (Southerners who took up arms for the Mexican cause to free their own homeland from occupation) fighting KKKlanrovites in the Six Siege of Tijuana>mysterious Massachusetts Air National Guardsman regularly leaks intelligence to Mexican CNI on Teamspeak server, allowing the Mexican Air Force to strike high-value targets with virtual impunity>Cessna 150 piloted by Mexican sympathizer Frank Eugene Corder successfully evades Patriot missile batteries and crashes into the White House lawn, destroying a flagpole>4th of July parade consisted of a lone M4 Sherman (ex-Lend Lease model bought back from Israel in 2018) that broke down and caught fire on the National Mall>Baja-chan aka Mondragónichka, an anime character depicted as a heavily pregnant Mexican girl wearing only a sombrero hat and massacring American soldiers with a hand-held DShK takes 2ch by storm>M1 Abrams tank decked out in Aryan Brotherhood tattoo-themed paint scheme operated by Blackwater has its turret tossed by a pregnant Anne Frank-themed ATGM as part of the "SignMyFagot" campaign>some random fucking "literally who" New Zealand video game streamer is the leading expert on the war>"HEGSETH, CAINE, WHERE IS THE FUCKING AMMO?!"
>>18715714They're not at all comparable. Anons will quote casualty numbers, and while that's important to the casual scale, what's even more important is the overall political impact and military-wide resource exhaustion. America never was like “Oh shit! We’re going to run out of tanks because we’re losing so many!” or “We do not have the supplies to arm our men universally to the same quality!” Nor was the entire nation's place in the world politically dependent on the outcome. Dominos theory was a crock of shit and was ultimately politically indecisive, but a single failure of such policy was rarely seen as a literal end of the United States position of power globally by the populace and international POV.We thought less than ten years ago that Russia, if pressured, could just swallow up everything east of Berlin on a whim. No one though that America after Vietnam couldn't rock their shit.
>>18715753No
>>18715753>>18716900>>Fighting then hiding in tunnels:>based>>Fighting then hiding as civilians:>cringeIf dressing as an enemy soldier to trick him is a war crime, then hiding amongst civilians should be a war crime too.
>>18716512>>18716528You mean 19th century Caucasian War?
>>18715714lmao no. Vietnam is on the other side of the ocean on a completely different continent to America. Viet Cong did not and could not launch attacks on American mainland energy infrastructure. For most Americans, the war was completely invisible to their daily lives. Ukraine is literally on Russia's border. The two are not comparable
>>18715753raped post
>>18716050>aggressive imperial warAmerica never invaded North Vietnam.
>>18715714Ukraine war is 100x more embarrassing it's not even a contest
>>18716962Mother Russia got Victorian weapons.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM758oaudOs
This has to be one of the dumbest threads I've seen on this board, and this board is filled with shit. Congratulations on lowering the bar OP.
>>18716528Also>US annexed Baja California in 2014>Then supported separatist republics in Sonora and Chihuahua>Then announced their annexation in 2022 alongside Coahuila and Nuevo Leon>Currently only controls 95% of Sonora, 60% of Chihuahua, 45% of Coahulia and 40% of Nuevo Leon
>>18716149And mexico counter attacks and occupies 1/3 of arizona for 6 months.
>>18716967>For most Americans, the war was completely invisible to their daily lives.A key feature of the vietnam war home front was the war's constant coverage on the news, bringing the war "into the living room" in a new way. It also was very much central to the mind of draft age men and their families.
>>18716075The continental army wasn't a guerrila force Anon.
>>18716149I wish this was true so I wouldn't have to work.
>>18715714Vietnam was peripheral quagmire that America would, albeit with some struggle, bounce back from. Ukraine-Russia is an existential shitshow that is the final death spiral of the Soviet Union, marking the total decline of eastern Slavic civilization ever since the Bolsheviks. It guarantees the loss of Russia’s great power status and relegation to an India tier regional one with a dependency on China. It demographically obliterates Ukraine, crushing its future, with a dependency on America/Europe.
>>18719577I keep saying it, there would have been no counter-culture without TV.
>>18715753invading other peoples countries should just be war crime if we're gonna do that
>>18720471Even the Kursk operation?
>>18715714If America was being propped up financially by the European Union and almost seemingly forced into the Vietnam war on their account, then the Russo-Ukranian war and the Vietnam war would be pretty similar. I get the distinct impression Russia is no longer interested in fighting this war, but that's just my pet schizo theory.
>>18715714The American War was Vietnam's war of Independence.
