Why do catholics and muslims have a need to be slaves to the word of men (popes and caliphs) instead of just following the word of god?
>>18772794Why do you need a book to tell you how to obey God? Don't you realize that you are going to do God's will no matter what? How stupid do you have to be to believe that God needs to consult with you?
>>18772794Catholicism has little to do with actual Christianity. It's a lot closer to Paganism than it is to any Christian belief system.
>>18772794Weird thing is the position of caliph has literally no justification in the scripture of islam.It was literally completely just made up by muslims after mohammeds death as his inner circle wanted to maintain power of the new state that he had established.
>>18772794Which writings are the word of God and what do they convey? Without the Church, you can't answer this without begging the question.
>>18772823So you just let others decide for you who are just as infallible if not more so given they have an interest in making you think the way they do? Catholics are slaves i don't even think thry care about god at all they just want someone to tell them what to think
>>18772794If I give a 15 years old chinese farmer, who has never inquired about Christianity, a chinese Bible and make him read it front to back, will he arrive to all the doctrines of mainstream Christianity, like the Trinity, on his own?
>>18772794Not a Catholic and when I was growing up, all white people around me (and back then, it was mostly white people, Christians), and we just knew that the Bible is God’s Word, no question. Kjv. And we knew that other books like islam or Catholic Churches are from strange gods and not like us. Even Catholics around us knew that Catholics are different and they think differently that to even go in a Catholic church you have to make a sign of the cross before you go in and say certain words because they believe the building and the mass has special powers that Jesus never said to do.In fact, Julius Caesar and many others have statues made of them. I ate out at an Italian restaurant just the other day. You think Jesus Christ couldn’t have had statues made in his exact likeness around today if he didn’t want us to have them? When I am literally eating at a table today in 2026 next to Julius Caesar’s exact statue mold likeness, you know that 2000 years passing has had zero effect on God’s Word which was preserved perfectly in its beauty and all of what it is meant to do. Even without statues of Jesus around. But the Catholics and Muslims are clearly the same old same old thing. The corruption of religion into a bunch of old men keeping traditions of men because it gives them power to worship men instead of God. That’s why they won’t give it up. But that means they will get mad and scream at people to keep the worship of men going since it hinges on getting others to worship them and continue it. With worship of God only, it doesn’t take any striving. People want to serve God because that’s the right thing to do and God is real and does reward people for worshiping Him. He even rewarded king David for dancing naked in front of his altar and committing sins like lusting after Bathsheba if he’d acknowledge God in his sin and need for a savior. That’s all I want by the way is my savior for my sins and to give me a good life, wife, and kids.
>>18772868you're literally an offshoot from us, lil' bro
Aka thank you Jesus for my good and honest portion a believer Christian is supposed to have.
>>18772846The Church is a divine institution guided by the Holy Spirit. I don't know why this puzzles people like you. I guess your wish that Christianity was whatever your anglo sect told you it was gives you cognitive dissonance.Do you even realize that you have to that presuppose real tradition and authority exist to rationally affirm the Bible is true? Or that Matthew actually wrote Matthew? Jehova's Witnesses can quote mine the Bible to make it mean whatever they want. Oneness Pentecostals can quote mine the Bible to make it mean whatever they want. You have no logical method to rebuke either of them. They all think the Holy Spirit is working through them.
>>18772873Nope, the Bible tells us what we are. The early Christian church was preserved and written unto us that we didn’t come form the Roman Catholic Church, but from the early Christian church fathers which was wherever Christians are gathered. The Church of England was Catholic but also a bunch of clans vying for power of lordship and freedom and that was used by holy men to give us the Bible. It didn’t come from the Roman Catholic church which would have never even given us the Bible, but if they were forced to, it would have been the vulgate Latin version which no one wants. The scriptures were always by law to be free and the believing Jew was meant to live by them and even by Jesus’ example, to kill Satan with God’s Word by knowing them. Till Jesus throws Satan into hell and we don’t have to deal with him no more. I say this to your shame and likeness to him.
>>18772882Which Church? Orthodox? Catholic? Church of the East? Coptic? Armenian? They all say the Holy Spirit guides them. Do I just feel it in my heart?
>>18772868>KjvJust tell us we're going to hell already bro
>>18772886That these Christian bodies have mutually exclusive claims does not change how true or false their claims are. This is Atheist "you would be muslim if you had been born in pakistan bro" logic. They all at least have their epistemology sorted out.
>>18772884You are protestant. Seceding from the church in Rome. Luther was a monk in that church. These are facts of history.>which would have never even given us the BibleIs it bad? Perhaps, access to the word of God should be a privilege of priests. You do not hand out guns, as if they were candy, either. You have to be qualified. And the word of God is, in my opinion, more dangerous than a weapon. If everybody is allowed to read and interpret it, as he or she sees fit, then you'll end up with confusion, chaos and, eventually, conflict. Which is what we're seeing in the West at the moment.
>>18772906They believe bullshit like this. Protestants really are gnostic-coded with how they can't reconcile with material reality.
>>18772894It means you need to stand with one of them or shut the fuck up. That the institution God himself created is not self-evident, you need to explain why.
>>18772888I don’t know the movie but the Nazies lost and I’d never trust Germany even 100 years later.>>18772906Nope I’m not a Protestant and calling Protestants that is only going to work on Roman Catholic Protestants who came out of the Roman Catholic Church. I’m a Baptist and we originated in the beginning as Christians tracing all the way back to the early church fathers and the Bible which every Christian can still do today without the need for Roman Catholics crying why aren’t they still relevant in satan’s lie they are griping so hard that the world doesn’t just bow down to them when they play the music that the Vatican and its king and high priest is the only true church (because it isn’t).Baptists officially became a denomination like in the 1600s, but always existed. Try again.
>>18772913If that’s the one by Dr J.M. Carroll then I’m fine with it.
>>18772921Is Christianity itself self-evident enough for your standards? Most people in the world aren't Christian.
>>18772928And? Don't tell me the Church is divinely guided and uniquely holy when there are many different ancient churches that all make the same claim.
>>18772931I dont understand how this is a logical argument. One of them is true and the others are not. Whether there are 3 or 15 claims doesn't really matter.
>>18772921Motte and bailey. You retreat to explicitly ancient and apostolic churches as if they are in the same epstemic hole that sola scriptura protestants are. And the churchs of the east spilt on their own for being nestorian / miaphysite which most protestants condemn too btw. You refuted yourself retard. Can you name a church father or anyone for that matter that teaches sola scriptura before Luther? lol
>>18772882The church is group of men you'e outsourced your belief to.
>>18772922>Protestants who came out of the Roman Catholic Church. I’m a Baptist and we originated in the beginning as Christians tracing all the way back to the early church fathersOh interesting, i never heard that about christianity. I thought all Protestants come from Roman Catholics in the 15th because of the Gutenberg literacy revolution, and catholics selling "get into heaven" limited edition passes to rich men.
>>18772922Oh wow where are these great baptist thinkers and theologians for the first 1500 years of the church, if they have existed the whole time surely we can trace them back to the apostles in a continous tradition? Oh wait maybe I shouldnt use that word...
>>18772882Did the "holy spirit" guide them to rape kids ?
>>18772979weak bait
>>18772882>The Church is a divine institution guided by the Holy Spirit. Clearly not all the time, or there wouldn't have been those whoring criminal popes. Like that guy who turned the Lateran Palace into a brothel, or that other guy who had regular orgies and ended up selling the papacy for money.Funnily enough, it almost sounds harmless in comparison, but there was also the indulgence trade, which rightly caused the Lutheran schism.
>>18772823The ones that ring true in your spirit when you read them.
>>18773039Are you Mormon? Look what they have to say about the (((burning in the bosum)))
>>18772794You know the masses. Not only Catholics and what you have been calling "Muslims".
