>>2683185
Most gay men would just say they were bisexual in the past because it was slightly more socially acceptable. If you were ever intensely attracted to women, you're bi. What you're experiencing could be the bi-cycle, hormone-related, porn-induced, etc. If someone here wants to argue how the brain can completely switch off a part of your sexual orientation go ahead, but something so innate doesn't seem like it could truly fluctuate.

you're a faggot, harry

>>2683185
Do what you like, no labels required. Labels are a construct of social media, for attention, they are totally unnecessary.

>>2683185
I don't think it "fades". It's more a case of where the path of least resistance is. Say you, as a bi guy, as an equal interest in a man and a woman that you like. You take the woman out on a few dates, do some things like shopping or see a romcom movie and a few weeks into the relationship you have sex with her.

You date the guy by maybe going out for a couple of beers, enjoy the football game together, go back to your place and have sex.

The guy was less work and more compatible in interests... less resistance.

Maybe the relationships work, maybe they don't and if they don't, what is the easier, more comfortable to get into?

>>2683193
This is something I have struggled with over the years. I'm not a masculine man, wouldn't even matter if I hit the gym more. I'm still attracted to both women and men, it just feels like perhaps I have watched too much porn to compensate that I have no partner. One thing that sucks about the gay world, men can't commit to monogamy. While I never had a boyfriend, I'm always reading about how dysfunctional same sex relationships are and that has always bothered me.

>>2683212
When it comes to women, feels mostly sexual. I'm not really into fantasizing romance with them. Men I am more into the cuddling and intimacy after sex.

>>2683185
Struggling with this as well, I've had a girlfriend for the past 2 years now but I feel like I'm kinda into guys as well and I'm worried if this will make our relationship difficult in the long term.

>>2683217
Issue is I have been single most of my life. I have had girlfriends in high school, but those weren't real relationships. I was having these feelings before porn. Im not saying porn didn't contribute, but I had these thoughts before exposure of porn.

>I kissed my step brother in the mouth when I was 6 years old, he was a few years younger than me. I did it spontaneously and he allowed it.

>I dreamed of cocks years before going online and finding out what male on male sex was. Doesnt change the fact I was seeking this stuff out.

>>2683185
Although I am absolutely attracted sexually to both men and women, I find myself feeling more gaysexual in my 40's. I think it's because of culture in the US that I'm actually able to be more instinctual masculine and dominant with a male partner than a woman. Like they aren't offended by it.

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>>2683215
>While I never had a boyfriend, I'm always reading about how dysfunctional same sex relationships are and that has always bothered me.
I'd take what you're "always reading" with a grain of salt, especially if you're getting it from here on 4chan (which is full of /pol/ types spreading propaganda). Or any kind of online space populated by young, single gay guys, since that is by definition selecting only from guys who aren't in functional relationships, as gay dudes in happy stable relationships aren't gonna be posting about it much. The hookup culture on dating apps is particularly shallow and toxic, but is not a good representation of the broader gay dating/relationship scene.

>>2683215
Honestly most straight couples are (knowingly or not) non monogamous. Many cheat. Many go to swing clubs. Many are slightly open or have green card rules. I do think gays are a bit more open about it all though. My brother is in a monogamous gay relationship. My bf and I have some rules, that we figured out together. We're mainly monogamous, but sometimes go on an adventure together. Just to experience some other dicks sometimes.

>>2683419
>>2683507
If I'm being honest and I know it sounds a little cringe, I really fantasize more than just suck dick, I actually love the idea of laying down and cuddling with another man. I've done it before with a grinder hookup. Wasn't patient when I refused anal cuz I was nervous so we just hung out at his house and I spent the night there and we just hugged the entire night

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>>2683522
That doesn't sound cringe to me. Intimacy and affection are more important for every human's mental health than mere sex, and can be a lot harder to come by.

My instinct when in public is always to check out women, and mostly ignore men. But I'll visit the local bath house and see all the guys walking around naked and it's game on. I've turned into a pretty good bottom, but still overall, women make me hornier.

>>2683549
I've been to several bathhouses, including one the summer after I turned 18, but I never had the courage to do anything besides walk around naked in front of others

>>2683566
You will get braver as time passes.

>>2683549
Same here. Walking down the street I never think of a guy sexually. Only women. In the locker/showers/sauna, turn into someone else.

Disclaimer: If I have a gf, I have better control over myself around guys interested in fooling around with me.

>>2683722
lol what?

>>2683185
You said it yourself that you had raging boners for women in the past. Have you tried to stop watching porn for a few days? Make it weeks. Not saying you don't like men, but personally, whenever I go on a streak without watching porn for weeks (irl stuff gets me busy), I deviate a lot from cocks and focus a lot more on women around me

>>2683771
I could try that, I am too addicted to porn. I am a mess when it comes to relationships. I have just outright considered moving on from women and focusing on men. Women are just not worth it anymore, it's like the universe doesn't want me with another women. I am aware I typed some incel rhetoric, but I don't hate women when it comes to just day to day life stuff. I have never tried the no fap thing out.

I'm a bisexual woman, maybe I can give you some helpful input.
I knew I liked girls since I was like 8 years old. I made out with girls in elementary school. But I also never doubted that I liked boys as well.
However, I never did end up in a relationship with a girl, even though I definitely wouldn't have said no to that if the opportunity came up. Every relationship I had was with a man, including my current one which has been going strong for almost 10 years now (I'm 34). However, I think it's not just a coincidence that I never ended up in a relationship with another woman.
It's an undeniable fact that men and women tend to have different personality traits compared to each other. Sure, there are men with more "typically female" personality traits, and women with more "typically male" traits. I count myself to the latter group, which my husband seems to think as well. I like video games, I'm not obsessed with beauty and fashion, I'm very pragmatic, I try to think logically and objectively rather than emotionally, I love cracking dumb jokes. And I find such traits desirable in a partner as well. That's why I think that there simply are VERY few women out there that I want a relationship in the first place.
In other words, it's easier for me to form close bonds with men. I think they tend to understand my needs and worldview better, granted that they have the same need for non-sexual intimacy as I do (not every man does). And maybe it's something like this that also makes you feel more attracted to men while your interest in women is waning because you haven't felt a proper emotional connection to one so far.
It might come down to understanding your sexual and your romantic needs, and how these might interact with each other. It's also entirely possible that you're on the asexual spectrum in some way. It's a pretty complex field to explore, but it could give you an explanation for the things you feel.

>>2684081
I also wanted to add that gay relationships can definitely be monogamous. My husband's cousin is gay and got married recently after being together with his then-boyfriend for 10 years. They are both very down to earth and normal guys. I couldn't imagine either of them ever cheating on the other. I mean what do I know, maybe they are swingers or something, but I really, really can't imagine there ever being any cheating or betrayal between them. Honestly, they probably have the most "wholesome" relationship I have ever seen, even compared to all the straight couples I know, maybe even especially so. It reminds me a lot of my own relationship, without trying to pat myself on the back here. But I digress.

Point is they do exist, but it's not easy to find. Another anon already mentioned how dating app and hookup culture is extremely toxic these days. That's already true for straight stuff, but from what I've heard it seems to be even worse in gay circles. Might have to do that a lot of gay men had to live through a lot of repression in their formative years, which then makes them wanna "whore themselves out" once they were out of a closet as some sort of overcompensation. I'm sure there are some studies on that, but I don't have time to do the research right now.
I bring this up because said gay cousin and his husband were both lucky enough to have grown up in a very accepting family and cultural environment, so perhaps the "wholesome" nature of their relationship can be credited to their upbringing where they could be honest with themselves and not repress their feelings and needs.
So yeah, like >>2683419 said, don't let stories you read on the internet poison your worldview. You are just way more likely to hear about negative experiences than positive. People aren't posting about their happy relationships, and even if they do, it doesn't make the rounds because it's not "interesting" to read.

>>2684085
Also, check divorce rates for gay, lesbian and straight couples. Gay divorces are far less common than straight divorces, and lesbian divorces are a bit more common than the straight ones. It seems to suggest that men tend to make better decisions when it comes to committing to a long-term relationship, so that definitely also speaks against the "gay men are bad at being loyal to their partner" narrative. Or maybe they are better at handling "open" relationships, which wouldn't surprise me. (I'm not against the idea personally either by the way, but so far neither my husband nor I had the need for something like that. We are both somewhere on the asexual spectrum anyway.)

>>2683215
I am Bi with a preference for men. I exclusively dated men in the past, and had two monogamous relationships. The first one ended with him cheating, and the second one ended when we got tired of eachother after 5 years (we still hang out and travel together 10 years after breaking up) but with him the sex was kinda vanilla, he was a little asexual, or just had a low sex drive, I don't know what it was, both of us were in shape and in our 20s at the time. I did become fat after we broke up.
Anyway, my dream would be to have a wife and kids, and be a normal family man, but have a small maybe 2x a year or once a quarter pass to just be intimate, cuddle jerk off with a guy. I don't want to or have to do anal. In fact my desire for anal has waned significantly in my late 30s. But I don't know any trad, religious woman who would accept such an arrangement.

>>2684099
Why do you want a trad religious woman then?

>>2683185
because you psyoped yourself into being a total faggot, thats not normal. You fell for mens club only bullshit and turned full fag. So ig enjoy, one less poopdick to deal with.

>>2683716
I fucked and sucked with friends growing up and some strangers I met online after I turned 18. But always while sneaking around. Being out in the open at a bathhouse kind of scared me. I really wanted to slut it up as soon as I turned 18 though. Met a guy from craigslist who was 27-28 and went to his apartment a few weeks after my 18th, we were both nervous at first. I even tried blowing him with a condom on. Eventually I got comfortable and took it off and slipped that nice hard cock into my mouth

I've struggled a lot with identity. I had crushes on a few girls growing up. I was absolutely straight until around the end of grade school, age 11 or so. It was then I started looking at porn, started to notice men, and was more knowledgable about sex and sexuality than I was during those childhood crushes on girls.

I only dated 1 girl in high school, and even then only very briefly and without much passion on my end. She asked me out, I just went along with it because I figured that's what men are supposed to do, get with girls. I've only gone on a few dates since then, and I'm in my 30s. But I've hooked up with maybe 40-50 dudes? Not sure exactly.

To me the feeling of men vs women is different. It's the feeling of playing video games all night vs mowing the lawn. Men are a quick dopamine burst, quick pleasure with little in the long term. But women are more like the mowing the lawn or doing chores; things you dont WANT to do, but you realize its your duty and life is better when they are done. At least thats how it's been for me. The only time I'm ever aroused at women is the thought of impregnating them. Literally nothing else does it for me. If I see a condom in porn, instant boner killer. If Im just looking at a regular clothed women, nothing. A pregnant girl that I fantasize is with kid, instant hard on.

It's so strange to describe impregnation as a fetish since that's what your dick is for. We talk about kinks, when Kink means a deviation from the norm. Well, what norm? Knocking up girls. Every fetish, every orientation is branching off of that one desire. IMO what I have is (or ought) to be the norm, save for the fact that I may not desire it as often as a straight guy.

The real problem though is that once you go gay, you really can't go back. Women look at a man who's slept with other dudes the same way men look at a really slutty girl. They want nothing to do with you, and no amount of "it was in the past" or "I've changed" will ever convince them.

>>2683185
same here, still have physical attraction to women but i don't trust them and frankly i don't like them

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>>2683215
>One thing that sucks about the gay world, men can't commit to monogamy. While I never had a boyfriend, I'm always reading about how dysfunctional same sex relationships are and that has always bothered me.
are you me?
I'm pretty much in your situation, and I have the same hangups about gay relationships
I would love a bf, but I don't like the whole gay culture

>>2684451

I'm so torn about it. I don't want to be alone. I want a relationship, but I want kids of my own, and I don't know how I'd ever relate to a woman. Women are just so entitled and joyless, I truly don't understand how someone could truly "love" a woman. I get the sexual part of wanting to fuck a woman, but I don't understand that burning desire that straight men have for them. I wish I did. I take no pleasure in saying any of this. But it's how I see it.

And part of it for me is faith. I do think that homosexuality is wrong on some level. If society was built entirely around it that society would be doomed. Yes, I know I'm a hypocrite for being on a porn board while thinking that, but it's how I feel. I wish I could just be straight and not have to feel this way.

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>>2684452
I feel pretty much exactly the same. Also for the faith, I have constant conscience struggles.
For what's it worth, it does feel kinda nice that there are others out there.

>>2683215
This is completely untrue and homophobic take, because people as a whole are quite unfaithful. Straight people are basically responsible almost 100% of unplanned children. Straight couples are responsible for the MAJORITY of divorces, breakups, cheating etc.

Please stop memeing that this is a specific gay problem. It’s a people in general problem.

I also don’t like the tone around not wanting to be monogamous. That’s a choice people are allowed so if they make that clear from the get go that’s not necessarily a negative for anyone who chooses to not date them specifically.

I think the biggest problem for gay men is actually the inherent insecurities they suffer from. If you’re not straight passing enough you develop a complex around being lesser than straight men. If you’re straight passing you develop a complex about being better than other men for whatever reason without any actual earned reason to do so. In fact most of these glorified “straight alpha” men are fucking losers. But what’s worse than them are people who feel that they themselves are losers.

Whatever longpost rant. Stop claiming that gay men are worse than anyone else cause it’s not true.

>>2684458
yeah for me I hooked up with maybe 40-50 men over my life, probably a total of 50-60 times. I went cold turkey around my 27th birthday, which was over 4 years ago. Only slipped up once, fairly recently. But I have been mostly celibate since then. I can't say that the urges have stopped, but after a while they get weaker. But those that remain are more personal, for the men you truly loved, not just the handsome faces you lusted after. At least that was my experience. I no longer want anonymous sex, I want to love and be loved.

I'm trying to quit porn next. Less progress on that but still better than I was in college. So there's that. Keep the faith, man. Come to Jesus. It's not an easy or a quick path, but it's the right one. Start praying if you haven't. It's a long and difficult road, but it's better than a lifetime of meaningless sex, you'll be more at peace.

>>2684452
That's my problem too... I would also like to have children, probably because I'm approaching 30. I started dating Woman unfortunately, nothing has come of it yet.

And every time my F+ writes me i end up with him in bed… No matter how often I want to stop doing it, and even when I have sex with my dates

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>>2684471
Amen brother. Same here, I just want to love and be loved, and at least lust within a monogamous relationship is more dignified. Thanks man, you've helped me a lot.

>>2684482
If you have been able to get a woman, consider yourself lucky. IME most women look at us like men look at super slutty girls. They act like we're dirty, tainted goods that they're too good to be seen with, regardless of how many men you've actually been with.

I wish that there had been different messaging growing up. I grew up in a pretty conservative area where gay sex wasn't a topic discussed but I still had internet access where I heard a bunch of pro-LGBT messaging. It wasn't that being pro-LGBT is bad, it's that it was always framed like "If you have even the slightest SSA you are gay, nothing you can do about it, it'll never change, just come out and admit it." I think that was harmful. If I could give 13 year old me advice I'd have said that yes, sexual interests and priorities CAN change, and women DO care about your past. You can't just wipe it clean by saying "That's not who I am." Had I known that I wouldn't have slutted it up with guys like I did.

Ah well. Live and learn. Maybe I won't ever find anyone. I just wish I could get this kind of messaging out more. If nothing else, hearing anti-hookup culture messaging would do the youngins some good IMO.

>>2683185
after gay hookups I am usually like "oh ok, that was cool".
but sex with women is far more intimate. and if I am dating a female, I am swept up in the feels and it becomes this balancing act where I am invested in trying to start a family and therefore seeing if we are compatible and looking at green flags or red flags. I've never felt "feels" for a guy.
It is frustrating though. I haven't had a relationship in over 5 years and online dating is pointless. I've also had issues with drugs (6 months sober right now) so this is a work in progress and likely preventing me from establishing a relationship. I am finally doing better though so I will probably start dating again soon.
so basically over time i've personally become more "tolerant" of experimenting with men, whereas before I repressed it entirely, but it's not the same feeling for me, and it is absolutely not something I would tell a future romantic partner because this is something that will 100% change a females opinion of you, so unless it is someone you 100% trust (e.g. a close friend or family member) I will just stay closeted.

>>2684506
it's called lying about your past, you can do it too just like women do

>>2684563
Women can tell much better than men. Plus way too many people in my personal life know that i have fucked dudes. The odds of the info not making back to my girl eventually is basically 0. To say nothing of the idea that it's simply wrong to build a relationship on false pretenses. If I start out by lying to them I won't be able to truly feel comfortable, thus the relationship fails and I'll be compelled back to men again.

I think it's a bit of a trap. Once you go gay it's really hard to come back from it.

>>2684571
you are such a fucking bottom with that attitude

>>2684572
I'm not wrong tho

>>2683193
>What you're experiencing could be the bi-cycle, hormone-related, porn-induced, etc

Can you elaborate on this - I was a porn addict like the rest of us, got into trans and gay porn and lost interest in women. I had great sex with a woman about 3 years ago and I was bi, now they do nothing for me and I've lost interest in guys too. I struggle to get hard, only maybe for a fetish like feet or whatever, and I can't cum. If I do cum, it's a little dribble. I went from being 110% horny to about 5%

and yeah I'm depresssed but I've always been depressed and I was still masturbating 3 times a day for 10 years


blood test came back fine so test and hormones should be ok, I guess

>>2684600
Porn is like any drug. The first hit and you're on top of the world, you're feeling things you've never felt before, the "high" (orgasm) is amazing. But with each successive hit you require a stronger and stronger dose to get the same high. Or, in porn's case, raunchier and more deviant porn. It starts with bikini girls, then goes to full on sex scenes, then it goes to gang bang and BDSM or other, more extreme (but still straight) porn. Then comes gay porn, and eventually trans porn. Your dopamine receptors are fried from years of overuse, so you need a stronger, more potent "hit" to cum. 3x per day for 10 years will definitely be enough to leave you depressed and sexually burned out.

>>2684604
just take another hit? youll feel better, and maybe your life will to <3

>>2683185
There is an addictive component to homosexuality. You either want instant gratification (gay) or you want to delay gratification, learn to love and stand up for yourself as a man (straight). I used to be gay and now the thought of dating a man makes me cringe.

>>2684613
What about gay women? Also why just focus on sex? There's gay men who clearly value their partners beyond a quick fuck.

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>>2683185
It seems to be manifesting for me.
I didn't recognize gay tendencies in myself until I was 16.
The first time watching gay porn made me want to barf but it stuck around.
Starting to shove plugs up my arse and all the fun stuff.
Meanwhile the amount of straight content I was consuming gradually declined.
For the last 15 years or so I was almost exclusively into women in BDSM situations.
The psychological turn on of power dynamics was the only thing keeping me in Bi territory.
When I got to eat some pussy 10 years ago I found the expirience to be quite underwhelming.
Bacon strips just don't do it for me at all.
Now at age 37 I asses the situation as follows:
Aesthetic attraction: Bother Genders
Romantic attraction: Male favored
Sexual attraction: Heavily male favored

Have a twink love interest at the moment.
Life is good

>>2683185
I think it's probably a wave. I thought I might be bi in my teens. I had crushes on both sexes. Then I saw a movie with a gay scene in it (anal sex) and slid to 99% gay. Got a little older and females became attractive to me, got in several relationship with females, got married, and was 99.99% straight. Got older and found men attractive again and now 50/50.

I've talked to guys on hook-up sites with old profiles that say they are no longer active (telling that they never deleted their profile) because they are now in a relationship with a woman.

I’ve been craving more intimacy with other men, but not really sexual intimacy. My bi-ness has usually been romantic. I find men attractive but I’m not interested in random hookups. I’ve experimented on myself, using toys and whatnot, but I only want to engage sexually with another man if there’s also an emotional attachment or solid connection.


I’m also in a relationship with a woman, so trying to navigate these feelings is tough. Also makes things tough when making friends. I don’t really want to be friends with ugly weirdos, but then if all my male friends are hot, I don’t want to be the weird one that catches feelings.

>>2684081
>>2684085
>>2684087
Liked your perspective!

>>2684452
>If society was built entirely around it
But that’s so unlikely, no matter what you do personally.

>>2684452
>and I don't know how I'd ever relate to a woman. Women are just so entitled and joyless, I truly don't understand how someone could truly "love" a woman. I get the sexual part of wanting to fuck a woman, but I don't understand that burning desire that straight men have for them.
This is the key issue for me as well. It just seems like this bottomless vortex of misery and self-debasement and whenever a "wholesome" report or video about a long-lasting straight marriage comes out the dude's advice pretty much boils down to "do whatever she wants and never ever try to have it your way. Also be sure you're always the class clown".
I think the core reason for homophobia is simply that while there ARE a lot of 100% straight men a good chunk of the bi ones would never bother with girls if not shamed into it.
Biologically speaking fertile pussy is the most important thing in the world and I think this level of importance is just not something a sapient mind can handle.
Kinda how most millionaires & billionaires invariably go kinda crazy.

>>2685292
>Biologically speaking fertile pussy is the most important thing in the world
Nah, it’s fucking someone you like.

>>2685292

The ongoing debate I have with myself is WHY women are like this. Is it because of feminism? Or did feminism merely give women permission to say what they were always thinking? Were women always as hypergamous as they are in the 21st century west, or are modern gender norms just revealing desires that were always there?

I think a lot of the reason women are so miserable is because 1) They have been told they're equal in every way when that is laughably not true and 2) because they are smaller and physically weaker than most men, which makes them more vulnerable and cautious.

If you found out, even in a moment of quiet introspection, that what you built your life around, feminism was a lie, and all those years of career building and thousands going into student debt was all leading to empty nothingness, you'd be pissed off too. Most people's psyche wouldn't allow them to admit they were so deeply wrong so they project their feelings onto men. It's MEN who ruined my life, so that means it's MEN who have to fix it!

Then there's the smaller thing. Yeah, if your partner could easily beat the living shit out of you, you might be a bit less comfortable around them. Because no matter how nice, kind, or loving a man is, if he really wanted to, he could beat them to death.

This is the sole benefit to homosexuality. Because you have only 1 thing (1 sex) that means there's fewer opportunities for things to go wrong. Granted that's balanced by the fact most gays don't want a deep, monogamous relationship like straights have, most just want 1 really good friend to live with while they hookup for the rest of their lives, but still. Straight marriage has lots of problems, and many of them stem from asking women what they think/feel about things.

Maybe the Muslims really were right about women.

>>2685336
>desires that were always there
This.
Feminism is natural. Like beating someone that slighted you to death instead of going through the courts or stealing something if you think you can get away with it. Anti-feminism is a social construct required to have a civilization a solid chunk of people can sign onto and participate in. People are leaving society en masse now because things reverted back to the anti-civilized state humanity was in for half a million years.

>>2685408
Just to be clear, you think we live in ANTi-feminist times now and lives in pro-feminist times for millions of years? I think you have it precisely backwards. We have MORE feminism now than at any point.

>>2685456
Feminism just means matriarchy and only the top 0.5% of men being considered better than dirt. Archeology & genetic analysis prove both.

>>2683549

>Bottom for the first time

>After that, sexual interest in women has declined (was around 50/50 before that) and noticing guys more

Have any of you guys experienced this after your first time?

>>2683185
There’s definitely some truth to it. I do find some women attractive, but I have exclusively been with guys for a few years and am in a relationship with one. I find myself more romantically and sexually interested in guys, but there are women that hit that spot for me too just not as frequently. I don’t do hookups or anything like that either all my relationship with guys have been purely monogamous.

>>2685852
>>2684668
Been a while, didn't think thread would be this big. I guess if I were to separate feelings for men vs women, I find women are just physically satisfying. It can feel nice being in a vagina, but I don't have security with women like I would if it were men. I used to hate feeling emasculated, but all the male hookups I engaged in, there is a sense of security when you're letting yourself go to another man. I never felt debased with a man who was dominant, I feel like there's more going on than "my dick and prostate" feel good.

I've had the exact opposite experience. The older I've gotten the more I realize I was never even bi. It was just a fetish developed by too much porn consumption. I have never once felt attracted to a guy. I just wanted to have gay experiences. They were almost always incredibly disappointing.

>>2685921
>but I don't have security with women like I would if it were men.
With a woman you always have to be in top form or she'll start trying to hurt you.

>>2684452
>>2684458
>>2685292
I relate so much to you guys, I've always been bi but never sucked a dick or fucked another man, the most I've done is kiss some and sext some guys, also cuddled and kissed a friend way back in middle school. I used to be pretty balanced about my bisexuality, some days I felt more attracted to women, then men but I was always more obsessed with women romantically. That changed over the years to the point I can't even stand women anymore. I think it started way back when I watched my parents’ marriage fall apart and how fucking insufferable my mother became, constantly screaming, shouting, throwing things, hitting my dad and he just took it like a dog. Then dating got so much harder, I feel like women have completely changed because of modern society and feminism. As a man, all the demands and pressure of dating fall on my shoulders as I’m the one who always has to ask her out, wine and dine her, buy her things, all that shit. The worst thing is I have zero things in common with women, yet I'm the one who's supposed to sacrifice what I want so they can have they want, and all I get in return is the pussy they put on a pedestal. It never feels like a true partnership, it's always one sided. When I was younger I also wanted kids but not anymore. These past few years have really made me question if I shouldn’t just finally explore my bisexuality beyond porn and online chats since I have become more infatuated by the idea of a respectful and mutual relationship with a masculine man like myself as my equal. My attraction to men has also surpassed my attraction to women in a lot of ways, most of the time I can’t even get hard to straight porn anymore or care about women I pass by on the street, but a cute guy or nice bulge always catches my attention. I do still get periods of time where my attraction for women comes back really strong, but it never lasts more than a few days at max, while my gay urges just grow stronger.

>>2686111

It's funny my parents are divorced too. Maybe Freud was right, boys become gay bc their mom was a bitch and dad was absent. My mom never hit my dad, but she lied about him constantly and my kid mind ate it all up until the ridiculous contradictions were too blatant for even a child not to notice. She would on one hand say that Dad cheated on her and used my college money to pay for an abortion, but then say that he actually molested that woman's 15 year old daughter, and then say that Dad was gay, and then say that Dad was totally asexual since the night I was conceived. The stories were always about Dad's sex life, and they were never consistent. But like you, Dad took it like a doormat. To this day, more than 15 years after their divorce he still speaks highly of her and she still bad mouths him behind his back. What a terrible sight for a boy to see his father emasculated. It's even worse when the father emasculates HIMSELF. I'm not saying he needs to fight with mom or anything, but god damn Dad, at least have the heart to stand up for yourself and call your wife out on her bullshit.

I do want kids. Kids can be great. They give you a purpose in life. But if I have to get a modern woman to get a kid, no thank you. My mom wasn't even a feminist by any account. Feminism has made women worse, but even without it women are incapable of rational thought.

Years later (in my mid 20s) I did confront my mom about all the lies she told about my Dad all those years ago and she said (and I quote) "I was so angry at him, it was LIKE those things were happening. It was MY truth." She didn't intend it to be an insight into female psychology but that's exactly what it was. Women are not capable of discerning reality from their feelings. When they tell you stories about how their ex was abusive it means they are as mad at him as if he had abused them.

Pussy/tits aren't the problem. Women's nature is what I detest and why I find it hard to get aroused by them.

>>2686450
I wonder if gays and lesbians share the same psychology of sex. I as a man am comfortable with emasculating myself for another man. I'm secure in reaffirming his masculinity over my lack of masculinity, because I know he is there is make me feel safe. My older cousin has always identified as a lesbian, but she has had a positive relationship with my aunt, so I have no idea what caused her sexuality to form.

>>2686450
>Pussy/tits aren't the problem. Women's nature is what I detest and why I find it hard to get aroused by them.
Pretty much this, I think for people like us who've witnessed first hand how fucking evil and insufferable women can be, it becomes really hard to pursue any type of romantic relationship with them and as a result I become less interested in them sexually as well. That's not to say gay men are without their faults either, especially those fags that talk and behave like black women and those on the verge of trooning out, a man trying to be a woman may be even worse than an actual woman, and twice as insufferable.

>>2684293
My first time with a stranger's dick was at the uni lockers.
>I was brushing my hair in front of a mirror with a towel on
>this naked asian twink came to the sink next to me, his uncut dick was slightly bigger than mine
>he smiled and nodded at me
>I took my towel off
>my dick went insta hard
>he looked at it and stepped closer to me
>I reached over and gently pulled his dick a few times
>he reciprocated
>I don't know what came over me, I squatted down and took the head in my mouth
>I heard him whisper "oh my god"
>I sucked on it for a few seconds
>heard someone come in the showers
>got up and put my towel on. That was it.

We got together another day in the handicap shower and sucked each other off. Exchanged numbers but never got together.

>>2686592
I should mention that I was between gfs at the time.
These days I have been with my current gf for a couple of years. I will sneak a peek at cocks in the locker room/showers but I do not want the guilt of cheating on my gf.

>>2686575
I think back to my earlier grindr days (when I was 21 and 22) and I really was pushing away potential romance options in men. I was so insecure over myself back then. My sexual repression led to unhealthy hookups, it's a good thing I never got a disease. Whenever I had sex with women, I just couldn't feel anything beyond the physical. You are right, vagina and tits are aesthetically pleasing, I don't find them gross. I just can't connect with the women beyond what she looks like. The guys who fucked me on the other hand, seemed they actually cared about my well being. One older Korean dude at the time, after three loads, still kept me at his house. Blizzard happened out of nowhere, he wants to me to stay at his place. I try to get the couch, he insist on not being a stranger and sharing a bed. We don't even fuck again, we just spent the night playing video games and cuddling.

>>2686456
Part of my bisexuality, feels like a result of my mother's aggressive homophobia, she was a religious republican nut always saying how she thanked god that she didn't have gay children and whatnot. Eventually curiosity got the better of me and I looked up gay porn on dad's computer, it got me rock hard and I realized I wasn't that straight.

>>2687294
I sadly still remember my first gay porn experience. I won't type my age when I started, will just say I was too young to be watching it. I started with Asian porn sites, hot women and wanted to try something new. I intentionally clicked on porn site that isn't real anymore. It was gay Japanese men fucking white tourist. I hated how Japan censors their porn, so I had to go to other porn sites just to see cocks.

>>2686450
I can think of at least 5 different situations where I was horribly abused by women,

Mother was a psycho woman-child, family got evicted because she didn't work. Lived with a couple for awhile and the woman stole what little money from us and basically enslaved us. I had a friend's ex secretly put recording devices all around the house to catch him cheating. Now my coworker is abusing me for every minor mistake, often calling me in the middle of the night just to talk shit.

The last decade has just been a consistent string of abuse at the hands of women for me.

Yeah, safe to say I am going to be on the gay end of my bi-cycle for AWHILE.

>>2687340
Those sound horrible but they're probably more extreme examples of how psychotic women can be. I still relate because I suffered physical and psychological abuse at the hands of my mother, and never really had a pleasant relationship with a woman, it always degrades into nasty fights and arguments over the dumbest fucking shit imaginable and somehow the guy is always the villain of the story. I've never once hit a woman but my own mother and some other girls would try to goad me into hitting them by getting in my face and saying shit like "Oh yeah raise your voice, are you going to hit me too? Come on hit me!" thankfully I'm not stupid enough to fall for the bait but it's just evil, twisted mind games with them where they always want to come out on top as the victim or better person when they actively work towards your destruction. Ibelieve there's genuinely something fucked up in women's brains that makes them act like they do. Meanwhile I've never had a bad relationship with another man, be it platonic, familial, romantic or sexual, never had to deal with any drama over the dumbest things imaginable. I get along great with my father and brother, never had a fight any friends, never experienced any drama from flings. I have only been with guys like me though, chill and more on the masculine, dl side, not the flamboyant gays that want to be women and behave like them, I've heard horror stories about that type of gay too.

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It's only gotten stronger over time for me - I crave dick constantly now. (I mean, I crave pussy all the time too, but I've got one of those at home!)

I've developed bi-romantic interests lately too. Last time I had sex with a guy, we also made out and it was hot.

>>2687370
It's because men who are having sex with men are doing it because they're actually attracted to you. They are sincere and actually paying attention to what's going on.
When women sleep with men, it's because they want something from you. They don't actually care about YOU, you're just an instrument they have to tolerate to get whatever it is. Money, entertainment, someone to do honey-do's for them, or even just because they feel like they're *expected* to have a boyfriend? Women aren't attracted to men. They just fucking aren't.

The reason it's so fun to be around men is that there is no ulterior motive, there is no weird social expectations about who's paying for who's dinner, there's no fucked up entitlement. Men are on an even footing with each other. They don't act like they're just too good for you on some fucked up fundamental essential level. Men are real people with real feelings. So when they are into you, it's actually real.

Women don't have that quality. They can't. They never will. Ever. Fucking EVER. No, Becky, your psychotic manipulation and selfishness are not "sexy feminine mystique". You're just a rotten cunt who only cares about yourself. In all of recorded history it has always been this way, where women think they're soooo fucking special and different and men have to prove they're worthy. What. The fuck ever.

Be with men and be valued as person, be loved for who you actually are. You are worth more than to have to constantly prove that you're worth anything. Be with men and be seen and understood in the deepest, most intimate sense. You are more than your height or your income or your ability to lift heavy things.

Be with men.

>>2687357
>there's genuinely something fucked up in women's brains that makes them act like they do

Yes. It's called feminism.

>>2684087
I'd be a bit cautios with those statistics.
1) gay marriage is enabled not a long time ago
2) there's also a cultural factor: while older queers tend to despise marriage, younger are more "conservative" in that matter and search for more long term relationships. So there may be demographic biases.

>>2687391
I learned this the hard way. When I was homophobic and hated my feelings, learned how sensual men can be. I thought gays were just cock obsessed, but after sleeping with a lot of them, I was proven wrong. My social interactions with men as they're penetrating me has been nothing but positive.

I have been with muscular men as a twink, you think they would mock me for how I looked. They never did. I got genuine compliments on my body and I hear from the after fucking. Men behind closed doors are sensitive and show their true feelings.

>>2687529
>Men behind closed doors are sensitive and show their true feelings.
I met a guy at a charity motorcycle ride. He was kind of a gruff, tough guy. We started riding together when we could since we were from the same part of the state. After about four months we were having a burger during a ride and he asked "Would you sleep with me if you had a chance?" I though he was asking whether, if I was a girl, would I hook up with him and I answered yes.

He started telling me how much he found me attractive (I'm not) and asked me to come home with him. I'm bi but deep in the closet but I jumped at the chance. He was a tender, considerate sex partner, completely the opposite of his outward persona.

>>2687529
Away from the female gaze, men are able to be people, feelings and all. Turns out, toxic femininity was the poison in society all along.

>>2687539
I've seen women get the ick from men getting emotional or just getting mad at their boyfriends for having a good time. It's genuinely fucking insane how toxic women can be as soon as you get a little emotional or let the tough guy act drop for one second. I've had this happen to me too, you can immediately clock the shift in their brain as soon as you allow yourself to be a sensitive person. Never had that issue with men, especially the more masculine guys like me, men are just simple creatures who don't need fake personas or masks to attract each other, there's a reason why some of history and fiction's best friendships are between men, there's a sense of camaraderie with the boys that women will never have with other women because they are toxic at their core and are jealous of each other, I've never met a single woman in my life, family or otherwise, who's managed to keep a friend for more than a few years or a decade max meanwhile I still talk to friends I met in high school and guys I met years ago on the internet who I haven't even met face to face. It's honestly not shocking at all to me that more and more men are becoming bicurious or finding out they're gay, especially with the internet where they'll find thousands of other men in loveless relationships with toxic women who just want to feel appreciated as a man and in bed. It's quite funny how it's less emasculating to be wined and dines and then fucked by a man who is attracted to every inch of you than it is to come home and get immediately roped into an argument by a woman who puts zero effort in the relationship and treats sex with you like a chore, and that's literally the majority of straight relationships around me, just men getting their self worth slowly withered down over the years by women who got bored of them and think they deserve better because some fat bitch on the internet told them so.

>>2683185
I find it to be the opposite. I was horny for guys my whole teenage life right up until my mid 20s which is when i finally came out again as i thought people would take it more seriously this time. now that im nearing my 30s my biological clock must be going haywire because its telling me to get a wife and a family and settle down. im kind of embarrased to be the way i am. i just want to be normal.

but i find vagina disgusting and i jerk off to dicks still. but a couple weeks ago i had a cock in my face and it didnt really do anything for me anymore either but then i got home and still jerk off to his nudes so i dont really know what was going on. i still got hard before we had sex but that doesnt take much effort. all you need to do is fondle a dick to get it hard, it could be by someone you dont eben find attractive. i like him but his dick is bigger than my arm and it was kind of hard to hold or do anything with and it really turned me off. when we started seeing each other i was ok with it but the longer it goes on the morei lost interest

I still find loads of women attractive but have always been very specific with guys which is another issue but i think im reaching that point with him where we're hitting the wall and i still find twinks hot, men not so much

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>>2687391

Seek help.

>>2683185
I'm just the opposite. My start with sex was with other boys my age around 14 and then continued. It was nice and convenient, quick and satisfying.

When I was 26, I met a girl and became close friends. One day we kissed and I thought "this is a bit better than kissing a boy." A few days later and we had sex and I thought it was way better than sex with a male. Vagina is so much better. Boobs are soft and nice to play with. Smooth faces better than stubble. We broke up a couple years later but I immediately dated girls and never went back to sex with guys. I'll come to /hm and jerk off to guy picks but have no interest in having sex with guys.

>>2687632
fucking disgusting kys