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It do be like that.

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Champion teams of C4, congrats to everyone who worked so hard on their entries this year!

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Oh Boy CRAB extra content thread

>>817720
SHOW HER BOOBS

Which of the 3 winning teams should have won?

>>817752
Misfits. I hate this bitch of a crab world, the end and reset would have been great.

>>817753
Shit wish

>>817752
Probably Xeno.

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Is the ship still salvageable?

>>817756
What do you think anon

>>817756
nah

>>817756
nope

>>817756
They should have coffee again

>>817756
Ships need to be able to sail to be a ship, anon. You can’t salvage something that never was in the first place.

>>817766
What does the new GM have to do with anything in this context?

>>817756
Bro this ship was dead in the womb.

>>817756
Less chances than Atta x Zehya somehow

Congratulations Xenomania, Nullstars, and Misfits for winning CR4B. Hope your wishes are worth it!

Now I think this is a good time to pitch a new tradition, after every CRAB. An Ending Slideshow. How this goes is that everyone will reply to a thread, describing the current state of their CRABs in a manner of Fallout New Vegas's ending slideshow. I'll start things off at the next post with my epic narrator voice. Have fun.

>>817770
I wouldn't say that. Both are kind of dead but Bevis has a very small sliver of a chance

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*ahem*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkqgupffSsY
*Talks in epic narrator voice.*

> And so, The CRABs who had thwarted a coup in Eichstätt, Germany thwarted a coup once again, and Comics and Random Art Battles was forever changed.The CRABs, with the aid of DOOMVA, drove C.U.M from The Crabstar, securing victory to the real winners. With DOOMVA out of the picture, its power was diverted to Debbie to keep order. Any chaos within the ship was ended, quickly. Chaos became uncertainty, then acceptance, with minimal loss of life. Debbie assumed her position as The GameMaster of CRAB. (At least until she find a successor.)

>>817770

I believe it can work. All they need is to meet at the party and for him to apologize. Both tried to kill everyone (him out of chud rage and her due to CUM antics) so it should be awkward for both. There is no need to hold hate anymore, free now of the pressures of Crab they could know each other.

>>817770
Zehya has Melody now

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>>817774
I think there's a fundamental problem in that all of the ship fuel came from Clovis liking Berry but Berry just never liked him in turn through the whole tournament in any reciprocal fashion. Once Clovis realized not only she didn't like him but also was actively trying to stop him from winning the tournament it was beyond over.

Not to say the dynamic wasn't compelling though, Clovis very obviously liked her through 90% of the tournament itself between showing concern for her welfare and going out of his way to help her like with the poison plot. Narratively speaking, if Clovis hadn't warned her she would have walked into Round 2 with even less context and awareness of the trickery Atta was up to.

Berry meanwhile not liking him because of how casually and callously he could kill people like his own teammate and his justifications for it and his cruelty being that he 'has to' be like that was never going to endear her and it's honestly understandable to want nothing to do with him over it. Going a step further, assuming the worst of him and what his wish could be is a natural response especially when he was crashing out.

Now that everything's cleared up, it doesn't really take away that Clovis did still activate the nuke to eke out his win over Berry and he likely won't apologize for going to the lengths he did to get the gold necessary to reach the tie win-state, because if he didn't his team would have lost and with that lost the opportunity for the wish. The nature of the wish he wanted doesn't excuse the lengths by which he went to achieve it, and it can be argued that it all wasn't even necessary. All he had to do, at ANY point, was talk about what his wish was and why it was so important to him to win. But he didn't, not to anybody except maybe Smoke but even there he wasn't very clear about it.

>>817773
Kino...

>>817770
Bevis is not as bad as Attya in terms of dead ships

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>>817768

HAPPY HALLOWEEN, BITCHES!!!

Things to think about when considering a character for /crab/
>why are they here?
>how will they behave in random scenarios?
>how will they mesh with strangers?
>will the character be fun/feasible/productive to draw for a long period of time?
>will opponents understand how to use the character?

>>818401
>How much extra shit are you willing to draw outside of the round entries?
The really popular characters tend to have a lot of extra side content where they're interacting or reacting to other characters.

>>818401
The most important aspect is simply wanting to interact.

>>818410
That's to flesh out the character and it also let's people connect with it.
That's why they are popular.

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So, /crab/. What are you gonna do at Chez Nullstar?

>>818705
hot sweaty sex with the women of /crab/ in the pleasure hall. if you know what I mean

I’m curious. Had your OC won and be given the privilege to make their wish, what would their wish be?

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>>819058
New parts for space motorcycle

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>>819058
For Atta

In theory "that everyone would agree with her". So a passive mind-alteration to every being that makes them think her choices are right and overall share her beliefs: this means multiversal-scale pacifism, no war, no empires, respect to cultures, patriarchal traditionalist values, etc.

However in most endings I imagined for the character she would have eventually let go of that wish and had wished for something way simpler instead like making her sister happy.

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>>819112
I know some of the my team wishes as well
Ash: to have someone who loves her
Huang: to become immortal
Mara: to make her arm normal again
Zorquan: to become the warrior he was destined to be?
Aiyori: I think just wanted to send everyone home but I can't recall
Ax'ppos: was more complicated, I think it involved creating another canon dimension.

Sex with Tammy Tomato

>>820988
Real niggas know its Tammy Mato

>>820988
kill yourself

I know it's late, but now I'm gonna ask this question again, now that the tournament is over. Which CRAB, this year has main protagonist energy?

My opinions for all the past years
CRAB 1: Linda May Lieu
CRAB 2: Simon Chuckson
CRAB 3: Wietse and Kome
CRAB 4: Clovis and Berry

>>821454
1. Linda
2. Alaisa
3. No one, many protagonists
4. Berry

>>821454
Crab1: ye old fred.
Crab2: ye old fred
Crab3: ye old fred
Crab4: ye old fred

>>821454
Crab1: Terriful
Crab2: Tammy
Crab3: Epona
Crab4: Baku

>>821454
CRAB1: Terriful
CRAB2: Falcon
CRAB3: R.Ant
CRAB4: Leon

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>>821454
I'm going to answer with something a little more indepth.

The most notable storylines that exist which involve a multiple number of characters and their interactivity with the subject in Cr4b's tournament are:

>Atta's Poison Plotline
This one was the most obvious and first notable C4 plot. Atta during the pre-tourney tomfoolery slowly poisons members of the cast who mutually interacted with her. This has the most striking effect on Zehya, but forced other characters like Fluxxo and Ignatius to act in response to it. It's a web of Ignatius catching on, telling Clovis about it, who then informs Berry about it, that sews a line to Atta's defeat in R2 before she could infect the entire cast.

This plotline chisels Berry out as a hero for removing what is not so much a mortal threat but a threat to free will itself. It also is the crux for Zehya's entire character arc which has a lot of pull.

>The CUM Plotline
This one once you have the R3 context surges forward contextualization for earlier entries involving the clownish conspirators with Fluxxo at the helm. Fluxxo infecting Berry with the clown venom via Shits is how she had the power to resist Atta and win her second round, he excises materials from the Crabstar to create a time machine to enact the plot at the climax of the tournament, he collaborates with Dizzy and later Trixxy who have been used and abused by others just as he had in his past, and his position as Giggles' father figure edges out the Misfit's own storyline of their developing found family.

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>>821660
(continuing because text limit is a bitch)
There's of course other smaller-scope character plotlines happening in C4 which I think earn noteworthy mentions, I for one really did enjoy the Misfit's narrative and (mostly) cohesive storytelling through the tourney, or my teammate Hemma's character arc of overcoming grief and living for what exists today for yourself. Zehya's fall from grace into paranoid hurt and existential terror, Time Warrior's development into a heroic figure fighting essentially god in his last match, Head Investigator essentially rediscovering his humanity past a haze of insanity; you get a lot of very interesting character developments here to mentally chew on and I know there's more I probably haven't mentioned too.

If I were to put my finger on it, Berry does have the most presence in the estate of the ongoing major plots while also (quite incredibly) keeping to a third narrative on her plate that is more personal than the sweeping effects of either previously mentioned big plots.

Clovis I think despite not being a main player in any plotline just had a charisma to him that got people interested in him, his antagonism to his own team, his severe and (mostly) serious demeanor, and his bigotry against anthros made him compelling and incited what became the crux of his and Berry's plotline of her distaste of his conduct versus his attraction to her.

It's not anything too special but there's an interesting aspect to the pair that has its own special gravity and takes up narrative space on Berry's plate. There's a thrust to defeating Clovis as there is to defeating DOOMVA, an idea of overcoming evil to free the oppressed and exploited that looks really good on paper.

But I think what's interesting about that is nothing ever is quite so black and white, and it's that small snag that tugs Berry back by the nape of her shirt that also results in a general resistance TO the CUM rebellion plotline.

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>>821673
(last one promise)
Unlike other tournaments, there is not much narrative capital to pay off CUM's plot as a protagonistic venture. This kind of rebellion would have been a hit with the crowd and the original Gamemaster, who unapologetically would destroy homeworlds of losers and kill hundred of gnomes just because they got his coffee wrong. DOOMVA hadn't been properly and fully villainous over the course of the tournament or put to task for its more questionable actions until R3 where the sudden slights were stacked up.

Berry carries a microcosm of this same kind of problem of neglecting the full buildup to sell a righteous payoff. If her issue with Clovis was his treatment of his team she did not once interact with the people she wanted to stand up for to take upon the idea of punishing him for the transgressions he's done to others chasing for victory by any means necessary. And from Hyuckleberry's own statements in R2 it seemed less an action she is doing for other people and more something she wanted to do for herself, expunging her frustrations and hate of people who wronged her in the past on a man who had not done anything to her.

So when it washes out and the wishes are made, CUM is excommunicated and Berry ends up having lost her narrative momentum in her loss to Clovis, ironically mirroring the same character narrative stopgap that Berry had imposed on Atta in R2. She hadn't prevented a wish from being made, hadn't prevented Clovis' team from winning, and closed out the tourney effectively alone given nearly her whole team had vaporized under her except Scarlet.

Kind of a bummer ending for such an important character, am I right?

>>821454
Clovis was this year's protagonist, and his arc was a theatric tragedy.
>Prominent role throughout multiple storylines and entries
>Begins with clear ideologies and composure that he later betrays
>R1 and R2 have him challenge his prejudices from two different angles, R3 he abandons them
>Very notable out-of-round presence

>>821694
No, Clovis is an antagonist.

>>821694
>>821700
He’s a villainous protagonist. Maybe anti-hero since that wish at the end saved his world.

>>821703
I agree. My choice on who I label a CRAB as Protagonist of the Year comes from their interactions with other CRABs, how their actions affect the narratives, their characters and arcs, and how their stories play out. That's why Clovis deserved that position, as well as Berry.

>>821688
I think you've forgotten that Marv wasn't vaporized, he left. At the very least he wasn't there to witness Hyuckleberry's rampage.

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>>821712
I probably should've used a different word in hindsight, I meant that as I would atomization of a social group or disbandment, except more sudden and unexpected on Berry's behalf. Marv left her a Dear John letter, in-character N377 and Rubber Golem were both overwhelmingly overran. Marox in her point of view just completely disappeared before the third round even happened.

Marv was the closest person to her in the tourney as her second-hand in her team but also I read it as a friendship between them. Out of everyone his disappearance is probably the biggest blow to her socially. Outside of him who else were close to her to fall back on with such a big loss to swallow?

>>821454

Inspired to elaborate a bit more.

>CRAB 1
Goes undoubtedly to Linda, though Taya is a close deuteragonist. Linda has a goal from day one and the tournament is about her accomplishing it, and one of the main events (Joseph dying) directly relates to her team. There aren't that many narratives outside of this, Nova's death is a secondary one and Asha's rebellion is played as a joke.

>CRAB 2
If Chadwick is the certified antagonist of this tourney then the young girl facing him in a desperate final battle has to be the protagonist, even if she tragically loses. Alaisa's team also has a strong protagonist energy. "But what about Blast Rites!" You ask. Chuckson has more of the energy of the paragon character who sacrifices itself which very fittingly Soren will take on later. His battle relates him to Alaisa, to the idea of second chances, and ultimately leads to his sacrifice to help Carolyn, but none of these things yet directly affect the outcome of the second tournament itself and Chadwick taking power. (Though in the long run they do help it in the shape of Maiden-4 training Monomyth and so).

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Man... I really dropped the ball on Berry huh?

I really didn't expect Berry becoming one of the main characters when I started. There was a lot of narrative weight just dumped on her when she was matched up against Atta and frankly I wasn't prepared for it, so I just went honey badger trying to survive.

With Marox and N377 gone, as well as losing to Clovis, I was very close to just giving up on Berry. Clovis had a lot of crab content centered around him as well the artist's contributions to crab earns them the right to be the main character of crab 4, villain or not.

I'm very not happy with how Berry's story went down and I wish I could go back and start over, hopefully I can get Berry's ending done so I can fill in her narrative gaps but it's gonna take a while.

I appreciate all the feedback y'all.

>>821715
>CRAB 3
I could observe a handful of protagonists here and I don't believe any has particularly more predominance. Wietse faces Tredecima who is one of the tournament's main villains and ultimately is his team which achieves the victory in a vote battle against Lenard. He is also tied to the Nuremberg rebellion plot - but ultimately he is overshadowed there by Florida Man who is both a villain and a hero. I think the Kome suggestion isn't bad but her issue is that her fights are unrelated to the main events going in the tourney, at least up until the Z bonus battle which helps them win the votes. Soren to me is another Chuckson case of a paragon being the sacrificial Big Good. One could argue Berbie himself is a protagonist. I would say it's between Wietse, Florida Man and Berbie.

>CRAB 4
While I agree Clovis has villain protagonist energy that ultimately makes him an antagonist in the final fight against Berry, as morally ambiguous as it could be. Berry is simply in many pies - she ends the poison plot and defeats Atta, she is part of CUM, and given Atta is already beaten by the start of her final round then R3 Berry is also facing the last conflicting winner of Crab 4, which is very protagonist-like fight to have (arguably Fluxxo can be considered an villain protagonist as well however he to me acts more as an overarching force of rebellion and chaos). It was written before that she failed to change anything but I'd argue by forcing Clovis to Nuke she also created the chance for Melody to take the wish and not make it whatever Clovis wanted it to be, which at the time at least it was presented as likely bad for many characters and driven by hate and spitefulness Zehya is a pivotal one as her rounds really were vital in deciding the direction of the tournament but she does not strike me as a protagonist. Melody I see her as Kome, she has protagonist energy in that she helps her team win but her fights themselves don't entirely feel like the main plot.

Guys I think Debbie's character arc shouldn't be slept on. She's kind of inspiring given the tournament's progression.

>commentator for the tourney
>gets stressed out and tormented by some of the people she interviews for no real good reason
>gets killed by an anti-furry chud at least three times
>gets unwanted attention from a perv alien
>gets blamed for managerial decisions the DOOMVA made like the Stowaway situation
>gets targeted and tormented by the clowns
>her boss gets destroyed and inherits phenomenal cosmic power
>rejects the bad ending wish and uses magical workaround to spare the other crabs the destruction of the universe or whatever the Misfits wish was

>>821945
She's not really slept on, if anything she's one of the more popular characters.

Who's been the funniest character this year?

>>822047
Fishimote?

>>822049
Also Gretchen

>>822047
Gretchen was the funniest, but if Fishimote had the same output for the whole tournament as he did for the first round he would have beaten her though.

>honorable mentions: Marv, Kelly, Head Investigator, Kell

>>822047
Who is the unfunniest?

>>822075
Unfunniest as in most serious or unfunniest as 'tried to be funny but fell flat'?

Is this the crab Oct?

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>>822171
Yep. Or, the post-season thread. This year's tourney ended in October but the OP has links to the old thread archives or the sister thread on Newgrounds.

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>>822177

>>822179
You just know she will put something in his drink when no one's looking If he says he isn't interested

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>>822177
Hello faggot

Oekaki Post (Time: 18s, Replay: View)

>>822075
probably Dea and bakutsu

>>822259
I've seen a few shitposts that made them funny but those were made by others. the two have not made me laugh on their own though

I know that was last year, but it’s been bothering me.

In Berbie vs. The Rebellion, he wishes for a pocket universe. One of its contents is a unified selves of all the CRABs from CRAB 2 that are not participating in CRAB 3 returning back to their worlds without any memories relating to the tournament, yet Maiden-4 is shown in Kome’s epilogue, beside her and not inside the marble! Shouldn’t she be inside the pocket universe? How come she’s still out there? Did Soren have something to do with this or was this a narrative error?

>>822274
Maiden-4 brown-nosed hard to ensure she got the best deal out of this. Why you think she sucked up to Kome? Why you think she fucked Soren? Think, anon. (this is canon btw).

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>>822274
I made that epilogue, basically in my mind Kome wanted Maiden-4 services so she avoided the marble taking her and let her choose her own fate as an exception. (That traitorous milf cat answered by joining the Doomva, baka.) Considering further reveals of Maiden-4 its interesting.

More intriguing to me is how the unified world marble works, is Soren also dragged into the same marble reality and thus safe from crab? Or Soren's new rebuilt world is a different, alternate version of it different to the unified one Maiden-4 could return to? For me it was the later but it could be argued it contradicts the wish.

Alright contestants and spectators, what are your Top 5 entries of this tournament?

>>822340
In no particular order:
>Time Warrior vs Houndclops R2 (TW)
>Fluxxo vs Needle R1 (Fluxxo)
>Ivy vs Gretchen R3 (Ivy)
>Fishimote vs Bakutsu R1 (Fishimote)
>Ignatius vs Head Investigator R3 (Ignatius)

Special Mention: M4tron's entry in R3

>>822340
1- Ivy vs. Gretchen (Gretchen's)
2- Ellie vs. Lovell (Ellie's)
3- Atta vs. Zehya (Atta's)
4- Melody vs. Gretchen (Gretchen's)
5- Atta vs. Needles

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>>822340
Gretchen!! vs Melody
Time Warrior!! vs Houndclops
Zehya!! vs Clovis
Ivy!! vs Mara
Fishimote!! vs Bakutsu

>>822340
My favorites:
1. Melody R2
2. Clovis R2
3. The entirely of Nelly and Hemma
4. Berno R3
5. Fishimote R3

>>822356
>fishimote r3

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>>822356
>5. Fishimote R3

>>822340
My r3
My r2
My r1

>>822357
>>822358
I meant R2

What the hell is this idk where am I pls help me??

>>822371
This is the after season thread of CRAB4, the 4chan oct's 4th edition.
You can check the pastebin to see the previous years in tournament season with all the entries.
If you are interested you can join before the tournament starts by doing a pit entry (A comic defeating a beloved character from the previous tournament of that year crowned as the pit champion)
But the pit champion of this year still needs to be selected.

>>822372
I nominate Gretchen for this years pit champion. Her slapstick aura and her coincidental luck would make her a great challenge. Let's see if her coincidence can protect her from a swarm of new competitors.

I'd nominate Fluxxo too cause he's chaotic. Plus he was a rebellion leader who nearly destroyed the bucket.

You think Atta would be nominated as pit champion? I know she's not much of a fighter, but I wanna see how creative everyone can get in killing this witch. Plus, didn't she say she wanted to experience what death is like, numerous times?

>>822378
Honestly, the winner of the most wanted list should be the pit champion.

>>822378
>>822379
The thing with Pit Champions is the idea that they are an interesting character that is easy enough for anyone to draw and anyone to work with.

For /crab3/, Kevin the Lizard from /crab2/ was the Pit Champion. For /crab4/ it was Florida Man from /crab3/. Whoever becomes Pit Champion has to be a character that is easy to draw, not too bullshit power-wise but also fun to work with.

I do find that Houndclops is one of the best candidates for Pit Champion in that regard.

>>822380
Rubber Golem is better.

>>822380
Marv is even better

>>822380
Houndclops is a the best pic imo, straight from the book, but we can also try and test different things

>>822378
>gretchen
fun option, they might fail to make justice to how funny she can be
>fluxxo
interesting option, open to many possibilities
>atta
let the poor woman rest
>houndclops
solid option, nothing else to say
>fishimote
solid option as well and easy to draw

https://www.newgrounds.com/art/view/thecittiverse/what-zehya-deserves-crab-4-epilogue

"Sorry Zehya. You're just not a draw, anymore."

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Crab Epstein list

>>822726
>hurr durr isn't it funny that /crab/ is pedophile island
of course, the pedophile harboring tournament would find this funny. fucking KYS

>>822726
Nigger

For next CRAB, we need more meta shit.
We should have a character or a plot line for a character where they slowly learn that CRAB is just an annual art tournament where their gods come together to put their creations onto the games for the fun of it and for certain ones, their only purpose in life is to compete in CRAB.

>>822728
If you really believed this tournament had pedos you wouldn't even try to associate with it.

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>>822762
Hyper-aware meta isn't even good in normal comics, what does it even add to CRAB? Characters already have to mentally consolidate that there are worlds different from their own with different rules, like magic or high tech, and there's planet-level and above capital G-ods that participate in the tourney too. We're adding even more nihilistic 'nothing fucking matters because we're fictional characters' on top of that?

Be more creative than that, come on. I know you can try.

>>822726
>>822763
Why do you think calling the oc's of others pedos was cool are you actually retarded?

>>822728
>>822769
>moralfagging on 4chan.org of all places

>>822776
>moralfagging
kill yourself pedophile.

>>822728
>>822769
If something stupid like this really offends you, then you are not made for crab and just here to instigate cause you got nothing better to do
Kill yourself

>>822778
fuck off pedophile faggot

>>822726
ew

>>822779
Soup? Is that you?

>>822769
What the fuck are you talking about?

I hate CRAB.

alot weirdos getting mad that people think the pedo joke was weird as fuck

>I was just pretending to be retarded!

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I can't believe this retarded joke I stole from a YouTube video has caused this much chaos. I do wonder who's this mad.

>>822816
Epstein jokes are lame tbf

>>822726
Should've kept this one inside the grooming server kek

>>822817
Especially now.
It's a miss.

>>822821
Man, you're trying way too hard.

>>822871
Cope some more faggot.

>>822817
u stupid faggot

>>822728
>>822769
>>822777
>>822779
Pics or it didn't happen.

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Get more jolly.

That's it. I'm killing myself.

>>822957
>CUM
>nice

>>822957
>Jun-ho
>Nice

>>822957
What did Caddi do to get on the naughty list? Tying people up? You forgot Bakutsu, by the way.

>>822981
Forcing someone else participate in her fetish, sin of lust so naughty.
>Bakutsu
Honestly don’t know how to sort him.

>>823002
I think Bakutsu would know to be nice enough even with his attitude

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>>822977
>Berry
Was infected by clown venom and developed a secondary personality separate from her normal cognition. Also saved everyone from Atta's poison.
>Giggles
Hard to be too hard on him. Fluxxo's grip over him basically runs too deep and Fluxxo could back up his possessiveness over him through intimidation and violence. You see it especially in how scared Giggles is before R2 when Fluxxo breaks the Matter Synthesiser and how he reacts during R2 when Fluxxo kills everyone in the war segment. The kid's emotionally abused and pressured into leaning on him for support, and in the end convinced to kill himself for Fluxxo's crusade.

Giggles' nature seems to be good when you watch his personal R1 and R2 entries, or the thank you he left for Clovis after Shits was killed. Just a real bad situation that I don't think anyone could have helped him out of, partially because Giggles can't talk and partially because Giggles' mental maturity is trapped at young adolescence (both issues caused by his adoptive father altering him into immortal clown toy by the way).

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>>822957

>>822957
>Illwill
That's what you get for pissing on your red-head, you jackass! I hope Krampus gets you and turns you into firewood!

>>823009
All that text to justify the unjustifiable.

>>823117
Your mom is unjustifiable

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It's almost 2026. Time to wave goodbye to your favorite CRABs, dumbasses.

>>823173
Perfect time... TO SAY HELLO~~~ TO CRAB 5!!!!

Happy New Year's, CRAB! Let's go off to a happy 2026!

>>823634
I'm gonna shit

>>823705
You said it a thousand times, Berry-anon and we never saw you shit, even once. Just shut up and take a shit, already before you mess up the carpet!

MY FUARKING HERO IS SUCH A JOBBER

>>823727
Who? Leo?

Thread is abandoned, post lewds.

>>824005
Only Debbielewds allowed

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>>824081
Where's that drawing of Berno and Kell

>dead tournment
Did ye old fred truly get hid revenge in the end?

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>>824091
It's offseason, man. You're not going to get a lot of content.

>>824091
Hawk tuah, man

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>>824101
>Replying to fr*d the pedo

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>>824105
I'm just kind of bored and slacking off on working on comic pages right now.

I guess I can offer autistic dissertations of characters in CRAB if anyone's curious about what I have to say about them? I like yapping about CRABs and what I took away from their presentations during the tourney and it's not like much else is happening in here right now.

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>>824110
Give a dissertation on Needle, Dizzy, and Henry.

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>>824116
>Needle
Needle's artist very much had an idea of Needle's more antisocial strangeness and derangement being a facet of his character and seemed to revel much in a grittier presentation. Needle is blind to death and suffering of others, being an ice elemental with little of what I'd call empathy for others at the end of the day. In R1 he finds a bedfellow with Fluxxo's own kind of warped outlook with their chariot construction interaction and seemed to lean more on a, I'd say, Neutral Evil kind of bent.

This however was ultimately stymied by opponents placing Needle into situations where he slowly experienced camaraderie, awareness of how his actions affect others, and good experiences of his own to hold rather than let roll off of him. Fluxxo opens him up to a fun day of shenanigans in ancient Egypt because Needle's own passive regard for existence left him entirely passive to any request made of him. Nio both punishes his blase attitude and asserts doing good things over being an unfeeling standby in a world so active. And then Atta amid her own revelations gives Needle the ability to experience something good himself.

CRABs love characters opening up like that and ultimately steered him towards that kind of narrative with an overall hopeful resolution for him to have a more positive outlook as not having to be alone but to also be mindful of his powers and exist for today than the looming specter of isolation that he will someday be sentenced to. Perhaps a little more True Neutral or Neutral Good ending given the entries.

I imagine for Needle's artists it really must be a burn to watch ideas he has for his character be disregarded or selected over for a narrative he didn't want, this does happen to CRABs and can range from being minorly annoying to actively upsetting. You can fight and fight against a current but sometimes that current is too strong and will just sweep you away.

>>824114
That is the saddest ass I've ever seen

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>>824116
>Dizzy
Dizzy's quite a chaotic character though her backstory informs her behaviors during the tournament. She's a former experiment now granted what is essentially freedom and revels in it, at least until her freedom is abruptly restricted and her sanctity of self violated in R1 through Gretchen's shenanigans by being transformed into something that isn't herself (again) and trapped/caged (again). Rather than be saved, she's cloned and frighteningly in a position where she could lose her agency and self to a clone while she remains changed and trapped. Gretchen's artist really plays up this horror Dizzy is experiencing during this segment too.

This is some fascinating trauma on her end and certainly explains her own thrust of actions in being part of CUM though thinking about it I think the narrative on that horror often was focused on the clone's reaction than the original. Dizzy's clone is emotionally demolished by the revelation of not being the original to Dizzy herself but she seems to stand more as a support pillar than internalize the horror herself once she's free of Gretchen and back to normal. This could be a front given Dizzy does not outwardly express her internal thoughts and feelings often and masks with her over the top personality and hypersexuality for her deeper issues.

When moving onto R3 we see the consequences of the CUM alliance, and see that Dizzy herself is incredibly warped when reveling in the chaos alongside her clone. This is where the audience gets to see the past trauma that informs both characters actions (after all they are essentially the same person) and Dizzy's rejection of those in power over her is affirmed.

I think overall Dizzy has a pretty interesting arc character wise, stymied I think a little by a lack of screentime to develop things a bit more. Gretchen I think does not get enough flak from Dizzy for what happened compared to DOOMVA if you step back and look at the bigger picture given the traumas involved.

>>824116
>Savage Henry
I think he's actually very refreshing in how simple he is. Savage Henry lives for a fight but not for the love of it, he's more like a predator in his portrayal both by his opponents and by his own artist.

Other CRABs have mentioned before though that Henry's artist at least for the first two rounds is quite not as savage as his namesake would suggest, with his opponents dialing up his violent appetite while Henry himself would be slightly more reserved. Still they're fun slugfests and fights to read through, nobody feels particularly concerned to explain why he's the way he is and maybe it doesn't matter.

I think the one thing I am actually curious about is how Henry was with his team. There's not much to glean though with personalities like Leo and Jugglejack there it could've been fun.

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>>824125
Gretchen is... le evil?

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>>824128
I wouldn't call her evil taking in her demeanor in R2 and R3 as well as her overall outlook on things like Zehya's crashout on the team in R3. But Gretchen is very naive and stupid with I think an emotional intelligence of a 6-10 year old. Once Dizzy isn't a person but a transformed rabbit her brain just registers her as 'pet' and not 'person' which is probably some kind of object permanence issue with her. To Dizzy maybe she understands that Gretchen is 'special' and doesn't actually hold that kind of malice but it'd be nice to establish that a little more solidly if it's true. If not it's just conspicuous that Gretchen avoids focused ire for being 1/2 of the agents that caused Dizzy and Trixxie's existential and emotional tumult.

>>824110
Give a dissertation on the member of each team you find most interesting

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>>824133
>ten dissertation posts
Can we keep it reasonable here? Three in one go already took up some serious brainpower.

>>824110
Fluxxo.

>>824110
If you aren't out of juice yet, do Ririna :D

>>824130
She gets beaten to a pulp quite a lot, I wouldn't discard brain damage.

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lurking...

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>>824147
Who is that?

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>>824146
>Fluxxo
I feel like I'm going to say a lot about Fluxxo so if I reach text limit I'll continue in a new post after this one.

Fluxxo is a very faceted and interesting character. He's simultaneously good natured, terrifying, spiteful, loving, and intimidating depending on where he's falling in regards to other characters. Capricious might be a good word but not quite because the guy does have some kind of moral code that conducts his actions and the pendulum swings depending where someone lands on his personal regards. He's one of those long lived characters proven in his R3, potentially having lived for centuries and hosting a litany of himselves in a collective as seen in R1. Falls definitively into a 'cosmic being' type character of godclowns variety but explicitly not as powerful as one given his own unwillingness to match attentions with Lovell who falls very solidly into a capital G God designation. 'Stronger' than Ignatius, weaker than her (this means TW scales above Fluxxo if we get into powerwank math).

From R3 we understand that all his actions prior to that round are contextualized by the existence of the CUM rebellion, one that is even referenced by Fluxxo's agreement to participate at the start of the tournament itself. The fall of DOOMVA was in the cards from the word go, with Fluxxo simultaneously juggling his duty to his presented team and machinations with his secret one. Though Fluxxo through his intentions put forward the efforts of fulfilling the wishes of his own team while working on this tournament-long project, proving that out of the CUM cast he was careful to not leave his personal team in the lurch for the trouble.

Fluxxo in general offers a lot of outs and help for characters struggling in the tourney, not just his own. He is perhaps the centerfold figure and mastermind for demolishing Atta's poison plot between the CLOWN cure and being the source of where Berry got infected by clown venom, giving her the edge to win her match.

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>>824160
[see I knew this would extend into a multi-post]
Fluxxo befriends others and seems to get close specifically to CRABs demonstrably like himself, Needle and Scary Movies being the two significant examples and also his actual opponents in both rounds.

All these aspects give him a positive influence on the tournament with a number of characters, though Fluxxo has a facet of capriciousness to his character which pulls him back from outright being a shining force of good in the sea of C4 crabs. First flag would be emotionally tormenting Debbie during her interview with him for questionable reasons, and even though siccing Shits on Berry did help her for R2 this was something forced on her and not willfully consented to. There's in general a measure of ruthlessness to him that is justified by tasks at hand; if there is something he is up against which does a horrible thing he doesn't hesitate to pay it forward in turn. R2 is the most obvious example of this, where narratively after Lovell and the Wolves massacres his whole faction he in turn repays the favor by doing the same to Wolves except for Scary Movies and Giggles, which throws his own allies like Melody and Berry under the bus for the trouble.

I've waited a while to talk about Fluxxo and Giggles' relationship but its very important to pay attention to it during the length of the tournament itself. Fluxxo both is attached to and fond of Giggles, but he also demonstrates thoughtlessness to him as well with the Shits and Giggles dynamic where Giggles is bullied by his 'sister' who acts little better than a rabid dog. He also ultimately consigns Giggles to make the sacrificial play to kill DOOMVA and fulfill CUM's ultimate objective. We see from R3 that Fluxxo's backstory with Giggles involved intervening with his life and removing him from his abusive father's home, though Giggles was a normal boy and not the mute clown doll we know in the tournament itself, which has its own unfortunate implications.

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>>824171
So why would killing DOOMVA be such a important goal for Fluxxo? Important enough to sacrifice his adopted son to see that through?

Ultimately from what I can tell, Fluxxo looks to punish those callous, cruel, or views others lives like a game which comes out during Fluxxo's R3. The knight, the king, even Giggles' dad. All these people in positions of power and authority playing with lives and demanding their obedience and entertainment for the trouble. DOOMVA slots perfectly into the final category, as any CRAB tournament involves playing with the lives of its participants in exchange for some wondrous wish that many CRABs would do anything for. Clovis, notorious asshole as he was during the tournament, was killed as recompense for killing Shits and being in general a xenophobic murderous prick. M4TRON, an instrument of DOOMVA's and obstacle to CUM's completion (as well as canonical destroyer of lives over the Stowaway's side story) is also punished twicefold by CUM, being explicitly raped by tentacles and Fluxxo personally beating her ass at the end of the tourney.

It's a very big flashy narrative explosion and ends with DOOMVA dead and Debbie inheriting the GM mantle given of the remaining staff she was, I think, the only one who wasn't visibly shown getting dipped in death goo or put through the trauma conga line like M4TRON. And it's here where Fluxxo's hubris rears its head and bites him squarely on the ass.

There's something kind of poetically funny in Debbie, being senselessly tormented and victimized both during her interview and during the CUM rebellion takes the opportunity with her boundless inherited power to parrycounter the Misfits' bad ending Wish right into Fluxxo's face whilst weaving a happier ending for the other participants of the tournament. Fluxxo's petard ended up being his capriciousness; through the chaos and vacuum of the magic vacuum being deposed he unwittingly set up a downfall not just for himself but his co-conspirators.

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>>824176
Had this tournament had conditions like previous ones, where the GM would destroy the losers homeworlds, Fluxxo and his Rebellion would have had incredible support and ended with him an unquestionable hero. Instead, though DOOMVA has done questionable things during the tournament and is characterized as callous, it doesn't cross the line with everyone to the point of justifying flooding the bucket with death goo, bringing zombies of previous dead selves to the limelight as a Thriller flashmob, or potentially denying the winning teams the wish they worked hard for both IC and OOC.

In the end you have an incredibly quixotic, if not bitter, ending for this character where he commits a huge sacrifice and the reward for it is an insanely cruel cosmic punishment, being locked in with the malevolent spirit that possesses Scary Movies' corpse with the people he worked with, except for the son he sacrificed and through extenuating circumstances both Trixxie and Berry.

It's a shame really, I think if the rebellion was not as visually destructive as it ended up being the CRABs would have been more potentially forgiving for the move, especially with what Fluxxo had done for them in freeing their souls from Atta's grip.

>>824155
MERACHNE JUMPSCARE

>>824181
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>>824160
It's a rare case, I can see Atta and Clovis as antagonists this tourney, but despite Fluxxo ticking all the boxes for a main antagonist and his rebellion being questionable to pretty much every crab outside of CUM he still feels somewhat heroic or at least not antagonistic. Perhaps misguided or too into his obsession.

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>>824184
I wouldn't call him heroic personally. He does good things for crabs and punishes the evil ones either directly or indirectly so he has the capacity to do kind things (which is mirrored in the other antagonists of the tournament) but ultimately is out for his quest over the welfare of his underlings and everyone around him.

But this is actually a very interesting throughline with Atta, Clovis, and Fluxxo all willing to go to extremes for their goals.

Atta with her ability rather than convincing people with her words instead controls them without consideration of how that affects the individuals (Zehya being horribly affected with the soul taint that locks her out of her God's favor). She's convinced what she's doing will achieve peace and happiness for all but ends up rebuked, rejected, and essentially alone.

Clovis has his desperation with the fate of his world sitting on him like Atlas' burden and dedicates himself to doing whatever he can to win through any means necessary, even if it means the destruction of others or himself in the process. Any kind of meaningful connection he made early in the tourney explodes both metaphorically and literally to this end. What's left is a husk that collapses at the finish line.

Fluxxo plays a very special game seeding downfalls for his ops that fulfill his categories for targeting. He successfully tears down the ones he sought to punish but in doing so sacrificed his son and the goodwill of many to make that goal reality, and the result ultimately made things worse for him compared to not rebelling at all in the first place.

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>>824155
No fucking way, MERACHNE! Hope you're doing good bud, glad to see you lurkin!

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>>824110
Atta, but it has to include the words "did nothing wrong" and "heroine" please.

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>>824110
Adel. A lot of her character was shown, from Adel Facts to her dark personality to her overall performance during CRAB4. I’m incredibly curious to read what you think of her!

>>824222
Hey, you're getting better

>>824218
Our heroine Berry did nothing wrong when she set that eskimo whore on fire

>>824226
:(

GAMEMASTER IS DEAD
LONG LIVE THE GAMEMASTER

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>>824130
I guess CRAB characters are a surprisingly understanding and forgiving bunch! A misspelled apology card goes a long way!