>>7940569
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7940570
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7940572
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

>>7940569
>studying good
>access to information...BAD
Lot of hypocrisy in just one page.

>>7940593
>how do you indicate monotony, if you had to adapt Groundhog day, how would you convey the dire repetitiveness that is meant to be grinding to the protagonist but not grating to the reader.
Do what Endless Eight did and just redraw it all despite the repeating events, complete with different outfits and variations of dialogue. Try some moderate twists on events like a character acting before a different one had previously, maybe show a build up to people realizing things aren't quite right if that's where the story is headed. EE catches a lot of flak for good reason but it also doesn't get enough praise for what it did right.

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How much do we actually care about making our works resemble manga? Not just in terms of style but also techniques: using half-tones in place of hard shadows, Ben Day dots, using only shades of black and white, that kind of thing.

I personally have no plans to ever print anything I make. But if people are turned off by the fact my work doesn't look like it could be printed, it might be worth reconsidering. Or just turning saturation down to zero, but you didn't hear that from me.

>>7940633
If you want to use manga techniques to make something that resembles manga, then make a manga. If you just want to do your own kind of comic but value this place because there's informative feedback from people who care to know what they're talking about, that's a valid use of the general as well.

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>>7940633
I never cared that much about it, I just happened to like monochrome comics and most of my comic consumption is manga. So drawing my own comics how I like just naturally results in a manga-like work.

>>7940641
>So drawing my own comics how I like just naturally results in a manga-like work.
Dingle's just like me fr fr

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>>7940633
I like the look of manga, so I naturally gravitate toward a lot of its techniques, but I don't go out of my way to try and draw in a stereotypical "anime" style with the big eyes and expressions.

>>7940593
Thank you for the tips, this general is very helpful

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>>7940633
>How much do we actually care about making our works resemble manga?
Without trying to get too manga-vs-comicy about it...
I believe that most of what makes manga look like manga is actually simply that it looks good.

It's like if only one country in the world knew how to build functioning bridges,
you would be able to tell that their bridges are from that country simply because they haven't collapsed,
but that wouldn't make it some unique style of bridgebuilding that belongs to that country,
rather that's just what a functioning bridge looks like.

In manga, the column gutters are thinner than the row gutters, this makes it easy to tell which direction to read in.
Is that a stylistic choice? or is that simply a good idea?

In manga they use speed lines to communicate movement, dramatic moments, emotion, tension, etc.
Is that a stylistic choice? or is that just a good idea?
Do you know a better way to communicate those things without speed lines?

In manga they draw characters with exaggerated features, ie cartoony.
Because the nature of the medium means most of the drawings are very small,
and have to be drawn quickly, so it is far easier to convey expressions if they are drawn with bigger eyes, mouths, etc.
This one is arguably the most describable as a stylistic choice... but it's also a good idea.

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>>7940673
cont
pic related is a Japanese IP but drawn by a westerner.
The character designs are obviously anime with the big eyes and massive red hair,
but most everything else is western. It's in color, the speechbubbles are oriented horizontally, and there's no gutter spacing variation.
There are speed lines though, and I think the page would be arguably much weaker without them.

Personally I think the preference of manga to be binary black and white with dots for midtones is unnecessary.
It's a technical decision, it's quicker to draw and cheaper to print, but what artistic impact does it have?
There is definitely some dramatic flair that black and white has, thinking of black and white photographs or movies...
but even in the modern day, filmmakers can selectively utililize black and white in their movies for that same dramatic effect, without filming the whole movie in black and white.
Furthermore anime, which is very closed linked to manga, is not black and white,
and often the presence of color adds to the artistic merit of the piece.

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>>7940677
The use of color in pic related, Cowboy Bebop adds to its artistic merit. It's an anime original but could just have easily been a manga adaptation... but its manga counterpart would have been black and white

>>7940673
>In manga they use speed lines
Not to be yet another Bone dickrider since it's not the only example, but that guy was pretty great at conveying movement with minimal use of speed lines by mostly just showing the characters and stuff in motion and the effects actions had on the surrounding environment. I don't think speed lines are inherently bad but a lot of manga's overuse of them is a stylistic choice, especially in weekly stuff where they don't always have time to do backgrounds so they fill the space with speed lines.

>>7940677
>but what artistic impact does it have?
Besides the aforementioned cheaper production, lack of color can force one to make designs that stand out better so if it's recognizable in b&w then it's potentially even better in color. Not that you need monochrome as a crutch to achieve this, but for example one of my favorite comics was Priest's Deathstroke run and there were times I couldn't tell certain characters apart without context since they were drawn similarly despite it being in color and I think they would have taken more care to diversify those designs if they had to do it in b&w.

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drafting hefferchu + lining penguin comics
any feedback is welcome!
https://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/
https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams

>>7940752
Thanks, gonna use some of those videos for ref. I got no idea how to do most manga tones

>>7940775
It's like a cartridge, you have to blow on it to make it work.

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Hows the color look compared to just having screentones? Honestly ive found putting color over it takes less time than screentones, and the few people ive been showing this too irl, think colors better

Also yeah gonna have to redo the gun here, looks lazy

>>7940797
>>7940798
I'll say it looks better. Plus if it takes less time that's a very compelling reason to just stick with colors.

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>>7940797
I don't think screentones methodology perfectly translates over to color
That is to say, you can't just color in the screentones.
color manga pages do this alot and in my opinion it looks terrible.
They haven't fundamentally changed how they render their pages, they've simply replaced screentone layers with color layers.

Black and white adds a somewhat abstract effect to the art, it's less realistic and your brain fills in details. Backgrounds being a good example.
The bottom left panel in pic related has no background. In black and white this is fine, you would still interpret the character as being in the room drawn in the panel to the right. But in color... it's just white, he's in a void, not the room.

Situations like this demand that you be more realistic in your rendering when using color, you can't get away with leaving out details like you can in black and white.

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>>7940808
cont
This character here is drawn with black hair in black and white. But he actually has brown hair, so in the color versions of the manga, he is still drawn with the same black hair, but now the highlights are colored in brown. It doesn't look great. It looks far better in black and white, or in the anime version which was drawn with color in mind frm the beginning.

With your page, I think the first panel in >>7940797
would look fine without the background if it were black and white, but with color I feel like it's lacking.
You don't have to draw a full background, but I think there needs to be more indication of where the characters are.

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>>7940816
I notice in anime adaptations of manga, they will often include a background where in the manga none was present.
Pic related very likely did not have a background, but just the rough indication of texture, and the right color of the background is all that is needed to make it feel grounded.

In the manga, which would be black and white, this was almost certainly just a white background.
And I think that if the manga were color, the same need for some indication of a background would be present.

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>>7940797
I think it serves you better, but now you might be lacking abit of drama, or contrast, I know its a night scene, but its all getting very muddy.
the muzzle flash from the gun will be so overexposed in the dark, really cool opportunity to play with the harsh shadows.

also we're all aussie here, you dont have to call it color.

>>7940821
h-how did you know I wasn't American?

>>7940808
>What do you think, Raito-kun?
That's not how they say it in my rub-a-dub-dubbed aneemays

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>>7940823
your cops are aussie, and your old man protagonist has a mullet worthy of a bloke down the pub.

>>7940826
red rorry yerrow rorry red rorry yerrow rorry the Japanese are terrible

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i'm not finishing this tonight. i'm lazy and want to play skyrim.

>>7940829
love this drawing.

>>7940752
the establishing shot is hilarious

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Fuck i just wrote some long ass essay, it fell asleep for a second while i was talking to a coworker , and it just reset the whole page
>>7940808
Lotta good points, definitely right with the first page, I’ll add texture, or draw the background if im not satisfied.

I’ve been using rohan at the lourve and the long halloween as my main references, and they’re relatively simple with their coloring, but they either have more contrast with alot of blacks, or a more watercolory background that makes it more interesting.

>>7940821
That looks really cool. I aint coloured the whole scene, so when im doing that I’ll experiment with dark values and actually learn how to colour highlights. Im not certain if i want it to be that dark, I’ve been stealing colours from Ghost in the Shell, and that tends to be pretty light during the night scenes, especially with skin color, but ill have a play around, could look more cinematic, and i do really like that contrast

>>7940829
Good to know he visibly looks aussie, he’s sorta meant to represent the corruption of the aussie spirit, boomercore, also >>7940823 aint me

>>7940823
Hey, only im allowed to impersonate other people, Jake’s my creation, you’d better not copy me

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Also wanna reiterate, fucking hell Rohan At the Lourve is so beautiful

>>7940680
I think speed lines are mostly a time-saving measure, that is, they are literally used for "speed"... it's cheaper than a real background, but still looks better than just a white void. I don't have the brutal deadlines of a mangaka so I don't see a reason to not draw real backgrounds.

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>>7940906
It's economical, but it's also the best way.

Can you think of a better way to convey the sense of speed in pic related that isn't speed lines?

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>>7940908

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>>7940908
Composition here probably could be better, but should be good enough to communicate the idea

I'd move the camera farther out, showing the entire vehicle, so that I can show it partially levitating at a dynamic angle
I'd use posing for the characters to make it look more like they're holding on to their dear lives... I understand in the original panel the hero(?) was meant to have a cool moment or something, but I'd lose that, it's nonsense, and it's the major thing that's fighting against the idea that the car is in motion and the speed lines are a crutch for that
Add some floating objects in mid-air
People reacting

It's more fun this way, is it not?

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>>7940920
>It's more fun this way, is it not?
Yeah, until you remember that you have a deadline to meet.

>>7940920
You took a relatively quick small panel and turned it into something big and busy and more time consuming.

>>7940922
>>7940923
That was kind of my whole point
The speed lines are there to save time, but if you have the time there are always ways to make things better

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Are there any other example of doujinshi storyboards?

>>7940924
Yeah but it's not really a replacement for a small panel just showing the character chuckling...

>>7940927
Unless there's a writer who insists details like that to be there you can just change the script to make it more visually interesting.

>>7940929
you can't make every panel a detailed dynamic panel. That's western comics logic.

>>7940931
You can't tell me what to do!

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>>7940920
That's one way of doing things but like >>7940923 and >>7940927 said, it's just a quick panel and even if there was more time to work on it, it shouldn't be needlessly busy especially for something like DB where visuals being easy to digest is one of its highlights. I think the compromise between speed lines and backgrounds is not to do something completely different for no reason but to combine aspects of both in ways that compliment one another, such as turning parts of the background into speed lines. This way it isn't just lines but a recognizable shape, and it doesn't draw too much attention to itself because it's mostly out of focus while conveying the idea of speed. As you can see here Yamcha is passing by a seminal DB monument which lets the reader know his general whereabouts at this point in time.

>>7940941
>I think the compromise between speed lines and backgrounds is not to do something completely different for no reason
Never compromise. Not even in the face of armageddon.

>>7940947
Everything about the medium is made of compromise.

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Damn I always kinda knew speedlines were bad but I never realized just how bad. I have to make another hard rule for myself, to never use them meme streaks even accidentally.

>>7940965
Just because there are alternatives doesn't mean you have to crash out over it unc

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>>7940941
the speedlines are just the background blurred, that's what they are

>>7940965
>always kinda knew speedlines were bad
They were never bad. It's literally just a technique to abstractly capture the concept of movement and/or motion blur.

>>7940990
I'll go back and erase all of them from my comic.

>>7941019
I don't really get this bit you've been doing for several threads now, but go on, maybe it will be funny or make a point eventually.

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The other main character of the trad practice side chapter. I wanted to make a full page drawing of both of them, which has been a really fun side quest. Time to start working on some actual pages now

>>7940677
i wish the paneling was a bit better cuz i actually think the art quality for the characters is super nice and expressive

>>7940816
>n. It doesn't look great. It looks far better in black and white, or in the anime version which was drawn with color in mind frm the beginning.
i disagree, i think linework with brown highlights feels much more tactile and visually interesting than the anime, i suppose the anime is more "realistic" or accurate in terms of being representational but there's a lot less going on there to me

>>7940823
Because you don't own any guns.
The slide of the pistol pulls back when fired

>>7940821
Suppressors all but remove muzzle flash, especially if that's a 1911 in the pic (could be a BHP, I dunno) so that's already going to have less than flash than like a 9
This is way too much light

>get no replies on my updates 4 times in a row.
>multi hour conversation about if speedlines good or not. The example shot being a character standing on a moving vehicle
everyone leaves cause there's no reason to post here kek.

>>7941176
I find these larp posts funny, and I appreciate you doing them. Keep it up, the thread shouldnt take itself so serious

>>7941176
>noo people are having discussions but ignoring me
what's your update you little bitch? I'll give you some replies

>>7941192
Nta anon but someone asked this in the last thread and got zero responses kek You braindead niggers don't even pretend to be interesting in the shit being posted here until its porn being uploaded and everyone knows this.

>>7941176
I don't have anything to say, assuming that this is Devil's Moon anon. I'm generally a quiet guy. *shrugs*

>>7941208
sure bitch

>>7941176
If you're devils moon, I think people are looking and liking what they see. There's no feedback to give because I think you've got the best comic here by far.

this damn captcha discourages me from making a post that just says "nice" and waiting 3 minutes

>>7941229
The captcha is in the best state it has been in years

>>7941208
most things posted here are bad and people don't want to be rude

>>7941245
If you've got complaints, you gotta name them, anon. What are your issues with specific comics? People ain't gonna get any better if you don't list issues.

>>7940984
I don't disagree, just saying you can mix and match ideas to produce more personalized imagery.

>>7941208
>You braindead niggers don't even pretend to be interesting
You say that but apparently you're so uninteresting that no one pays attention to you until you start shitposting

>>7941246
bad art and boring premise is enough to filter most people from giving it a chance to give any deeper critique maybe that's harsh but if you're getting zero feedback maybe it's time to go back to the drawing board

>>7941242
Yaeh but the cooldown and waiting is what annoys me more.

>>7940920
Your drawing may be more fun but it loses the sense of speed. You added whimsy and chaos, but you'd still have to add speed lines to your drawing to give it the same sense of speed as the original.

>>7941211
>>7941229
Every time I don't want to believe it's laundry he comes out of the woodwork to say "fuck you" and proceeds to rant and argue for the next three hours. I guess props for not hiding behind anonymity when you're expressing your opinions.

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>>7941211
I don't think it's a nice thing to assume, but also it's not a huge deal if no one really says anything because it's also good to see contributions to the thread. I guess i'm just happy to be here.

>>7941258
People give feedback here all the time when there are problems to address. But yeah theres an awkward middle period where someones art is good so there's no mechanical feedback to give but isnt interesting enough to get glazed or complements. It happens all over /ic/, like in /int/ threads.

>>7941176
I think the speedlines discussion is low hanging fruit. It's easy for many people to bring up their opinions on it.

But critiquing someone's comic is often difficult, so nobody dares

>>7941288
The other anon is also right, a comic has to be engaging and interesting enough to get someone to care to read it to have any critiques or comments in the first place.

There comes a point where you transition from trying to get feedback and advice, to instead trying to build an audience and I think a few anons have not realized they are in the second stage now. They need to start marketing themselves to see if ANYone is interested in their product, then come back once they decide the answer is "no" and get advice starting over with a new one.

Problem with critiquing a comic/story is that it's a whole lot of subjectivity and what I may find problematic in the content and delivery may be someone's else's cup of tea instead. It's not the same as pointing out that your elbow is objectively bending the wrong way or your perspective is fucked.

Half the shit that is being published and read in WSJ wouldn't get past me on a first draft, to be frank.

>>7941288
The speed lines discussion seems like disingenuous midwits trying to solve problems that don't exist, I've never seen people complain about speed lines before but in this thread you have compelling arguments like
>Toriyama should have just drawn something completely different that doesn't fit the scene at all
or
>Toriyama should have just used speed lines instead of speed lines
as if anyone here knows better than the GOAT.

>>7941300
am I supposed know who this ping pong nip nong pearl harbor bombing guy is

>>7941318
He's the creator of anime and the man who was inspired by manga legend Toyospico Tacotaro.

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>>7941229
>There's no feedback to give because I think you've got the best comic here by far.
I hope I can be forgiven for being completely blind-sighted by this comment. The last time I received comments on my work, I was being lambasted over my power system draft, and anons called me stupid for adding powers to an action series. There's a couple anons who support my work, and I see them. But my assumption was that a majority of people here still largely disliked my work, and do not vibe with any of it's elements. I agree with the feeling that artists here aren't getting enough attention considering I can't tell what people think about my work anymore. I feel like I've been left in the dark for weeks now.

I don't know how anyone feels about my powersystem rewrite, the last scene I just finished up. hell, this page got fully rewritten cause someone here said the original had cringey dialogue. I wish I knew how he felt about the current version.

>>7941300
>as if anyone here knows better than the GOAT.
I understand the discussion started because they were comparing techniques used in b/w over color, but then it became an argument about a non-issue, solved with much weaker ideas. Toriyama should be studied as a master, not treated as an nobody whose work needs to be "fixed."

>>7941300
The GOAT would never produce something like Daipa

>>7941342
He unbecame the goat with resurrection f

>>7941358
After you're a senior citizen you can't be at fault for milking your franchise and wanting to take care of your family. At that point you can probably barely even remember what you had for lunch yesterday, let alone write a good story.

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Is there a reason why only certain percentages of grays are often used for toning? Maybe to avoid moiré?

>>7941334
You only got the compliment because you were complaining earlier and fishing for it tho

>>7941374
No I wasnt??

>>7941334
Most people end up not commenting on your stuff and some others because we aren't at that level so we have nothing to add which is why so many replies to those are just hornyposting instead
>but some nodraws who don't read my comic said they don't like me
Oh no! Anyway

>>7941365
>Maybe to avoid moiré?
More what, anon? :^)

Do you guys really think your manga will get published and you get rich?
Not gonna happen. So why play it safe?
Why dont you make a right wing manga, about a fox boy who wants to become Furer and cleans his village from aliens?

>>7941436
Sounds stupid
You do it

>>7941436
Botched right from the start, if you want it to be based and redpilled then the mc has to be human and the other characters need to be furshitters.

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>>7941436
Nah, even in an unrealistic dream land scenario where some Japanese editor decides to publish any of my work, I would make peanuts at best. At this point I'm doing it for the love of the game.

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>>7941450

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>>7941436
I am making my entire work for a specific kind of demented person who might find joy in it and potentially post about how it's making them ill on tumblr. That is my mission.

>>7941450
>>7941451
If I had sex with him (I've considered it) the green alien head goes BACK ON.

>>7941334
>>7941176
Post what you have and I'll read it. I'm new to comic-making, but hopefully I can give some insight as a reader.
>>7941288
>>7941272
>But critiquing someone's comic is often difficult, so nobody dares
>Problem with critiquing a comic/story is that it's a whole lot of subjectivity
I think it's pretty easy to gauge their intended purposes just by looking at the work. More objective things like flow and clarity should be easier to critique if that's something anons have a problem with discerning.

>>7940925
If you search the tankoubon and sketch_lines tag on e-hentai you'll see a bunch of books with the sketches/storyboards. It's not really a doujinshi thing, it's more a commercial eromanga thing used to add value to a book.

>>7941123
Cute.
>Time to start working on some actual pages now
Yippee!

>>7941176
I rarely have much to say about pages and I'm not going to reply to every page that ever gets posted when I don't have anything to say other than a "nice" or "keep it up" or something.

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>>7941334
>I was being lambasted over my power system draft, and anons called me stupid for adding powers to an action series
My man you posted just wall of text infodumps about your power system. I'm really not sure what kind of response you expect for that.

>>7941166
my bad, im not gun guy.

>>7941436
>Why dont you make a right wing manga, about a fox boy who wants to become Furer and cleans his village from aliens?
Because I don't want to make a comic about that. I want to make a comic about cute girls.

>>7941450
>>7941451
Not trying to be mean and I say this as someone who had to catch this in my own work but do you find that you often use exaggerated cartoony faces to express characters' emotions or is it just for certain scenes like this? If nothing else, you pull off the looks well but I ask since looking at them gives me the feeling of having seen them before like in multiple anime.

>>7941483
Drawing cute girls is an inherently right wing stance

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>>7941530
you really can judge the politics and ethics of somebody by what they make, this is spirtiually jewish

>>7941536
I don't think it's spiritually anything, it has no soul lol

>>7941536
Ok I'll bite. What are the weird..... uh, goat.... demon..... whatever animals?

>>7941579
they represent the puberty of the main characters, and sing about degenerate stuff

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>>7941591
How do you get that pleasant (screen flickering) half tones across the whole page?

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>>7941520
I can't use exaggerated goofy effects too often or they'll lose their comedic effect. This is a goofy romantic comedy series so I'm really trying to play it up, and just focus on the characters and pacing the jokes right and making it land.
>If nothing else, you pull off the looks well but I ask since looking at them gives me the feeling of having seen them before like in multiple anime.
I'm trying to get the basics right with this comic and also my style just isn't very original. Ideally I'd want to be able to draw like Kaoru Mori or Shirahama but I'm pretty far away from that level at the moment. My next story which I still haven't decided on-it will probably be either a soccer story or another historic fantasy set in the same world as Oi bardic fury but in the Levant-I want to have better and more original looking art-that's still a ways away tho so I have time to get better. >>7941456
>If I had sex with him (I've considered it) the green alien head goes BACK ON.
That's his pilot helmet.

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>>7941597
>that's his pilot helmet
Well he'll need it
He's gonna go for a fuckin ride

>>7941520
>looking at them gives me the feeling of having seen them before like in multiple anime.
That is because it is more of a trope than being exclusive to any one anime.

>>7941631
Kids usually have bigger eyes so that makes sense.
>favorite character
Everyone had me convinced Sasuke was some focus test shit he was forced to keep in so I'm surprised to see the creator liked him that much.

>>7941633
People do say some bullshit.
Mostly posting it to remind people (and myself) to conserve their character design ninjutsu and keep things simple. I've been giving into the "make complex character designs that take a trillion years to draw" temptation lately

>>7941591
Where can I masturbate to more of your work?

>>7941658
In your house, preferably.

>>7941658
Just look at porn

>>7941597
Nothing wrong with taking cues from inspirations, but I think if you pull expressions from your own emotions and combine it with what you've already gleaned from artists whose work you like, you could make expressions that have just as much if not more impact while being more original to yourself. It might take you away from your art looking like those examples but not significantly and probably in a more satisfactory way because as someone who has tried drawing in others' styles, it's a lot nicer not to need to constantly look at reference images.
>I want to have better and more original looking art
That will come naturally I think, for me I found that while studying art and trying out different styles here and there I always gravitated in a certain direction so once I got comfortable enough with my skill level to start my comic I leaned into what my art was already trying to look like and that's worked out so far. You have a constructive approach so I'm sure things will work out for you, good luck with this and your future stories.

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>>7941671
I can't keep masturbating without anon's COMIC you dork. Gimme the link to the COMIC or ELSE,

>>7941745
Are you the same anon who said he was gonna draw rough babymaking sex across something like 3 different threads in the last year? Did you ever draw it?

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I've reached the point in the writing of my story where I want to fully understand it and form a tight narrative.
But I'm having trouble juggling all the various pieces, the themes, the plot points, the character arcs, the pacing, etc.
It's become too big to just encapsulate in one thought. That's not to say I've made it too complicated, the base plot is still very simple, but now that I'm trying to actually flesh it out completely, there's alot.

How do you approach your story once it's reached this level of complexity?

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>>7941784
For example. it's around 100 chapters long, and each chapter needs to do a bunch of stuff.

Every character has an arc that changes their personality, starting from a position of immaturity or some flawed way of thinking, which is then challenged, ultimately forcing them to change and become better.
This is told slowly over the whole series, with a few select moments where big changes happen.
If instead I depicted a character gradually getting grey hair like Guts from Berserk, I'd need to know exactly how grey it's getting on each chapter .
In addition there are romantic developments.
There are themes for the story as a whole that need to be communicated both in every chapter but also across the story as a whole.
There are power/ability levels for the characters, they have to be the right level of strength in each chapter and progress at the proper rate.
There is the macguffin surface level plot, taking the characters to various locations and times of the year.
All these things have to fit together harmoniously without parts feeling neglected or muddled.
There's the pacing of the series, a big spectacle chapter needs to be surrounded by either calmer chapters or chapters that appropriately build up to it.
And ontop of it all, it has to be entertaining at a casual level without understanding of any of the finer details.

At the moment I'm trying to plan it out sort of like a graph, with the x axis being the progression of the story from start to finish, and the y axis being the character's progression, either positive or negative (such as for a romantic plot, going up means the relationship is getting better, and going down indicating moments where they're not doing so well)
But very quickly it starts looking like pic related, a total mess.

>>7941790
One specific thing I want to tell in my story is a unique take on the mentor-student dynamic.

Usually the mentor figure is someone who is already wise and guides the student through their journey.
But what I want to do is feature a mentor figure who on the surface appears to be useful, but in actuality is immature themselves, and it is only through their interactions with their student that they learn to become the teacher the student needs.

The mentor figure in the past resembled the student in terms of personality, but this immature personality led them to disaster, which they responded by adopting a coping mechanism personality. They hold this state when they first encounter the student and attempt to guide them in the same way. The student rejects the teaching and ends up facing the same disaster the mentor faced, but at a more severe level and as a result of their teaching. This causes the student to develop the same coping mechanism as the mentor, which amounts to depression, but through this experience, the mentor comes to understand himself and overcome his own coping state, which then enables him to be the best person to then guide the student, for he understands him more intimately.

Or something like that. In short, the mentor goes through the same character progression as the student, but the mentor is always one step ahead of the students progression and it is through intertwining that they both reach their character arc conclusions.

I need to fit this into my plot alongside other character's arc, as well as a bunch of other stuff. It's not terribly complicated, but it's become too much to juggle in one clear train of thought

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>>7941784
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrRBZNpPAfk
In writing Breaking Bad they wrote out the entire plot onto index cards and pinned them to a board

>>7941790
>it's around 100 chapters long
Jesus, my series is planned for maybe 20 chapters or so at most, and will take me years to get there. What on earth, 100 chapters?! Goddamn.

>>7941784
>>7941790
>>7941795
What I do is focus on character interactions, if you think of the dialogue between people as they converse about themselves and the things going on you'll find it starts to fill space on its own whether it's a slow scene or figuring out puzzles or fighting. Also establishing shots, you can do a whole page of characters just getting from point A to point B, not to mention full page spreads for any big moments like if there's some romantic build up then you show the two or so characters and some impactful scenery around them or something. Also steal from real life, aside from sleep there's no skipping scenes so you can take from how you/others fill the time irl and use or expand on that in your story in whatever manner you see fit. I think what's best is not to see it as some daunting task required of you but as an opportunity to go all out and do as much with the characters and setting as you can imagine, within the confines of however it has to end.

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>>7941784
>>7941790
>>7941795
You sound like a total amateur who haven't finished any single story at all.
How about actually finishing a 31-55 pages one-shot first?
If you can't even make readers pick up a short story, what makes you think they would sit through 100 chapters of your pipe dream?

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Haven't posted here in awhile but I finally finished my manga! It's a sci-fi action manga about a mercenary who hates his line of work.

The final book is 530 pages and took me a lil under 2 years. You can read it here
https://mangaplus-creators.jp/titles/282408040322225130015389105

For anyone that is scared to start that they aren't good enough. You'll always look back on your old pages and not like them so just start now!

>>7941846
>The final book is 530 pages
You gonna release a book on Amazon or something? This is enough to fill out two full tankobons. And congratulations on getting it all out there, of course.

>>7941846
Amazing, havent seen you in a while, good to see youve been at such an insane pace

Mind if i ask how your so fast, i know some of the guys here are part time

>>7941852
I had a pace of about 1.5 pages per day. I work a normal job part time and the other time doing art commissions.