>There is one thing not to do, and that is simply to drift along with the daily routine, making no extra effort. You will soon find yourself middle-aged, having done nothing more than routine jobs, and being little farther along than you were years ago. The extra effort is the difference between the great mass of mediocre artists and the comparatively small group of very good ones.>And in Art, study can never stop. You will find sketches galore in the studio of the good man, with the paint quite fresh. The mediocre artist's sketches are old and dusty.>I have seen so many middle-aged artists still hoping, whose samples are frayed at the edges, and thumb-marked with time. Sometimes it has been a matter of years since they sat down and actually did something to give their hopes any promise. They are plodding their lives away at something they hate, and doing nothing about it. These are the men who never seem to have had a chance. The truth is, they never seized a chance.- Andrew Loomis, Creative IllustrationRead the fucking Sticky:https://www.alexhays.com/loomis/Recommended Resources:https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?viewLets study every day and keep each other accountable! All levels of artists are welcome. Post any kind of study you want: figure drawings, still lives, nature sketches, master copies, even imagination work that you want feedback on. Critiques and redlines are encouraged :D
mangrove trees. trying to improve my background drawing skillz
Current page I am trying to fill. I fear I am a perma /beg/
>>7600929If this is /beg/ then I'm fucked. Your hand constructions are so good. This is what I did at lunch at work today
>>7600929Really inspired by that 3rd fig and some music, great stuff brohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tZ1I1eJXJs
>>7600946I just barely started doing gesture drills this week and I need to be giving myself like 2 or 3 minutes each and work my way up because these are not useful for anything significant
>>7600949I truly love how kind you are to everybody, you're like the onii-san chad that everyone looks up to here
>>7600960Really? Thank you so much anon! I think that art and beauty produces joy as a by-product. Even if we're just searching for it, not yet able to produce it. This is why I can't leave this board, even when much of my stuff belongs to /d/ lol. This is a board of artists, the most unique board. The other boards are for machine feeding parasites. I appreciate everyone here.>Why Beauty Matters:https://vimeo.com/580185089
I'm beginning to really feel the limitation of photography. Trying to learn the actual form of a pig's head is so hard just sketching from images on google>>7600949>>7600979I like that documentary, senpai. It's part of why I never want to work in an office in a cubicle with harsh LEDs men in suits. It's all just so soul sucking. Someday, I'm gonna write a novel and make a gazillion dollars and just buy a house in the country and live the rest of my life there>>7600929dont' talk bad about yourself, just keep moving forward>>7600946>>7600950I am in the camp of anti-gesture. I think you should take your time and really study each reference and try to get things right. proportions and observational ability is the most important fundamental, imo
>>7601016Patrick J. Jones - The Lying Eye - Drawing From Photoshas some good tips for working from photos, it is focused on figures though
painting studyi basically don't have any idea what im doing, I just barely remember some stuff from meds map and try to make it look somewhat like the ref
>>7601016Another anti gesture bro in the wild
>>7601016Hey man just want thanks you for your advices. One year ago I remember I talked to you and an another guy on /studies/ thread and your advices were very good.I haven't drew much those last few months and kind of "lost" my little progress. But I plan to start a formation I found on internet for a cheap price (a french one) who seems really good but anyway, just want to thanks you. You're one of the few guys who gave honest good advices about drawing.I'm telling for another begs, you shouldn't care about gesture and all those stuff. Start you learning path with studying a drawing with only hard shapes and value (2 values, then 3 etc...). Observation skill is the only skill one should works when he begins.Learn measurement techniques too, but not the academics ones with the complicated stuff and grind. Just you pen and you thumb.
>>7600912The older I've aged, the more I realize how much better it is not to stand out. Even if you got crazy good. Why would you even want to flaunt that to the public.Seriously. If you ever make it to that level. Why put yourself on stage?
>>7603009this is one of the nicest messages i ever got, thank you fren <3I hope you find a practice schedule that works for youIf you speak Japanese, or ever intend to learn it, I can recommend 室井康雄 a lot. His way of thinking about drawing is how I approach it now, basically.>>7601035this looks really great. I also feel like I have no idea what I'm doing, but I do have one cornerstone to hang onto, and its that 2d observational skills + deep knowledge of proportions is the foundation for everything else you do. I'm sure you already know that though, given that pretty study. It's well done.>>7601032thank you>>7601037I have an acquaintance on discord who is a huge fan of gestures so I'm afraid of what he'll think if he ever finds these posts
this is a thread for me
>>7603054>室井康雄My pleasure. I don't understand japanese but I want to learn it one day to read raw manga and watch old films without subs kek.You're living in japan ? Or are you japanese ? I think I've seen you talking about working in japanese animation industry. Maybe you were giving advices to an anon, can't remember.
>>7600914SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>7603437arigatou very much, fren>>7603061amazing... I would ask you for tips, but I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it at your level even if you held my hand on every stroke>>7603211Nah, I'm not Japanese, but I have been learning it. I do wanna break into the animation industry there,
>>7603963>but I'm pretty sure I couldn't do it at your level even if you held my hand on every strokeReally? You seem pretty good with figures already, rendering/painting is way easier to learn compared to figure drawings. Pretty sure my drawings are not as good as yours either.
Hello any advice to have a better result ? Some details are not correct and general proportion are not accurate, that I know but any advice on the filling ?
>>7604322Don't shade recklessly. Keep it tight
>>7604328Hey thank you ! Do you have any example?
>>7604344I can't right now, maybe when I get home, I'll try.
>>7604347Amazing thank you have a nice day
Some drawings from today. I am following Ron Lemen videos on Bridgeman, but it feels really hard to synthesize the anatomy details. I skipped Bridgeman heads like that guy from the link on hackmd recommend, but I don't know if I should study Loomis head now or after Bridgeman.
>>7603963>Nah, I'm not Japanese, but I have been learning it. I do wanna break into the animation industry there,I wish you success my friend, maybe one day we will cross paths.
>>7604328Should it be more like this ? Sorry for the stains
>>7605019Hi fren, I'm going to give you a radical suggestion that a lot of other teachers won't tell you, but it'll work wonders, trust me.Find a pane of glass and a marker that you can use to draw on top of that pane of glass. Make sure you can easily wipe away the marker lines from that glass wtih just a tissue. You might need to experiment a bit. I think sharpie fineliner might work.Get a nice drawing book, say, Loomis, and trace a drawing from loomis onto that glass.Then, copy that same drawing the best you can, on a piece of paper. This is your study.The next thing is to overlay that glass pane tracing on top of your drawing. How close are you? How far off were you? Find just one thing to correct. Remember that. Now, copy the drawing again, trying to eliminate that mistake. Now overlay the glass again. How did you do? Find one more thing to correct. Keep going until you've eliminated a bunch of mistakes, then move onto another reference image to studyYou can do this whole process much easier if you get a digital tablet though. A Huion costs like $40 bucks nowadays, very affordable. Holding the glass up above your paper and trying to study your mistakes can cause your arm muscles to cramp.This is the fastest way to improve. Learn the front view head, the side view head, and the 3/4 head, and you can draw any head you want for the rest of your life. Do the same on the rest of the bodyThis is the way I learned to draw cubes, actually. I learned this from Ernest Watson.https://youtu.be/RXb-Y_kz2aU>>7604141I think painting and figure drawing overlap, but also have radically different visual libraries. I have no knowledge of lighting on form, basically. Another incredible study from you, btw, great job>>7604624we will! someday I'll share my twitter (maybe) and we can dm>>7604483nice. You can study heads now if you want! Also, if Bridgman is wearing thin on you, find other anatomy books! I like TACO anatomy a lot>>7604583綺麗ね~
>>7605183>綺麗ね~תודה לך
>>7605183>>>7604624>we will! someday I'll share my twitter (maybe) and we can dmIt would be my pleasure, I don't come on 4chan anymore but I will lurk times to times these thread :)
>>7605183Hey it s a very good idea and an amazing technique to correct your mistake thank you very much for sharing. But I just don’t draw from book. If i m drawing is to draw something from my surroundings, an object at a moment.
yuming li copy. ~15 mins. painting makes me want to cry>>7605251>תודה לך何言ってんだい?>>7605443<3>>7607469I think drawing from life retards your progress in the beginning. I used to go to cafes and sketch people like Master Stanchfield and Vilppusensei taught, but I didn't improve a lot, so I am speaking from personal experience. My art improved by lightyears doing the exercise I told you, and just generally studying the masters first. You can do whatchu want doeif my experience doesn't convince you, I'll give you an analogy. Would you have your 5 year old kid read Hegel if he doesn't even know his abc's?As for me, I am still studying the abc's of drawing. Hegel is still impossible for me
Some Paul richer. Gonna study some of his portraits today to tune up my faces>>7600914This is great but as of now I think the trees are a bit too smooth and that a few rough contours here and there to indicate texture wouldn’t hurt
>>7608057Indeed you are right I should study more the masters but then I will be one of those understanding Hegel because I was taught, not because I find it due to my own perception of the world … What tool do you recommend to start drawing on a computer ?
>>7600912TODAY IM TO DRAW AND STUDY THE BESTEST EPIC ROACH STARCRAFT 2 AND IM ALSO BETTER THAN YALL
Trying to draw objects from a different angles. It's hard to get the proportions right.
>>7605183
>>7609057>This is great but as of now I think the trees are a bit too smooth and that a few rough contours here and there to indicate texture wouldn’t hurtsry for the late reply, i was waiting for myself to do another study to make another post, but it seems it never happened. Yes, texture is my weakspot, I wonder where I can learn it...i have been thinking about buying Peter Han's dynamic bible, but it bugs me he hasn't released v2 yetyour studies are veyr beautiful, great work>>7615653if that's your work, you def mog me into outer space. it seems that you dont' really need to use the handiglass anymore>>7615441very difficult exercise! i actually don't think I've ever practiced this exercise before, but KJG recommended it a lot>>7611940何?
Not if I should post this question here or in /beg/.I'm trying to learn by copying references and artists' work but I feel like I'm blindly copying what I see instead of why it's there. What can I do about this?
>>7617491copy as you are doing right now, then do a blind copy from memory.
>>7617491You need to pick something specific you're trying to learn from it, if you're /beg/ then pick one of the fundamentals and do a study that focuses on it, like a value study, or a study where you just do the lines. If you just copy you won't learn much.
guess i can post these here. >>7601016gorgeous work>>7600979lovely as always
>>7617500I do do a blind copy afterwards but I compare the two, look at mine and think, yeah that kinda looks like shit, so I fix a very obvious thing or two and stare back at again not knowing what to do about the rest.>>7617501Yeah I'm a /beg/, but coping something like gesture is difficult to apply to my work when it's already something abstract
>>7617504pyw
I drew some birds.
How do you keep up your mental stamina? I want to study more but I tend to burn myself out on them and then go long periods without doing any
>>7617512I wanted to copy this picture because I liked the perspective but drawing most of it I have no idea how will this help me with perspective. Maybe I should look up some resources first?
>>7618461Couldn't post the pic because of a file banhttps://litter.catbox.moe/wgugow9afgb2vwn2.png
is anti gesture someone that doesn't do gesture drawings
>>7616504Hello no no it’s not my work, It s from the book I bought as you advised. The glass idea is working well and help me to be aware of my mistakes thank you! Only thing glass is thin therefor fragile and might be dangerous to handle. A transparent piece of paper is safer and would do the job . Once again thank you very much for your advice, I will post once I will have made a good enough drawing .
>>7600912>I have seen so many middle-aged artists still hoping, whose samples are frayed at the edges, and thumb-marked with time. Sometimes it has been a matter of years since they sat down and actually did something to give their hopes any promise. They are plodding their lives away at something they hate, and doing nothing about it. These are the men who never seem to have had a chance. The truth is, they never seized a chance.Literally me.
>>7618082 hey very nice drawing ! Do you have some advice to improve ?
>>7615653Argentina?
>>7620195I wish
>>7619073no worries! the glass thing is actually a very traditional tool btw, I first learned about it from Ernest Watson, who taught students to draw perfect cubes / ellipses this way, and I later learned that Solomon J Solomon (a famous painter, you should look up him up.) also used this glass a lot when teaching with students and when studying from the model himself. It's a 万能道具 for realz
>>7600914>>7600912Are these both yours? I am really into drawing and painting old trees with crazy roots. Do you have some more of these or any finished work? Here’s one of my trees. I don’t do much sketching myself but I’m frequently staring off at interesting things and imagining myself painting what I’m looking at. Seems to actually improve my painting when I do that but maybe it’s in my head. These are probably 5 minutes of pencil sketching, 2 hours of ink, then after the ink is dry the painting maybe took another hour.
>>7603061sexy
>>7622503Hi anon, the OP image isn't mine, it's Feng Zhu's, but i'm happy u thought it was mine :Dvery nice tree btw, I love the overcast look of the colors. Drawing nature has always been a huge weakness of mine, I always focused on figure drawing, but knowing how to draw many subjects is probably more useful overall for us as aritsts
>>7620498Do you know where I could post my progression? Is there a thread for this ?
>>7623320Of course drawing trees can be very forgiving in terms of getting form correctly so for me I can jump in quicker and less time with the pencil. My human faces and figures don’t tend tome come out well proportioned.
>>7623619>>7622503looks very nicu, any recommended watercolor courses/sources if you used any? I like drawing plants for the same reason, no need to worry about high levels of accuracy (except flowers that still requires accuracy).
>>7623749here's a cactus I drew today btw
>>7623859>>7623619Cool cactus and neat to see someone else drawing and painting plants. I avoid all geometric shapes in the landscape with the exception of a horizon. I know I’d never attempt drawing a potted plant for that reason. I was painting a bunch of landscapes but without a subject they are fairly boring and when I hike I like to be completely alone. So painting trees with personality seemed the obvious solution and some species like bristlecone pines are exceptionally well suited to drawing and painting in my experience. They come out far better with hard shadows so on overcast days I don’t bother taking reference photos. I compose generally facing the sun or diagonally towards the sun to boost shadows/contrast. No I didn’t really take any lessons other than to learn the most basic technical issues. Watching others watercolor wasn’t very helpful. If you’re never read the 7 page pdf called Watercolor Clock do your best to understand what this is about. For landscape painting in general, Carlsons Guide to Landscape Painting is outstanding but challenging to understand fully.
>>7620182I'm awful with advice, but I'd recommend checking out drawing sessions on yt, he has some good videos on pencil shading.
>>7616504Thanks anon. Cute sketch. As for where you can learn textures, just draw some trees from life. It’ll take you a long way
This is going to sound retarded, but I've been recommended Vilppu's stuff and I don't really understand how to study it. Do I want to draw what he's drawn or just try to internalize everything he's putting down in text? In that case I don't really want to study drawing ovals and stick figures and boxcars. It's boring. I'd rather make my own gestures or box shapes.
>>7604322Different anon here. I'm far from competent myself, but what I can tell you is that form and value are one of the most important factors to keep track of, where the surface turns away from the viewer etc. I highly recommend you check out Rendering in pen and ink by Arthur Guptil: https://e-hentai.org/g/2871460/1b9ce339be/ and do some exercises from it. It also has a lot of useful notes on composition, and what makes values appear lighter or darker depending on what's around it. Might also want to check out Dynamic Sketching by Peter Han.
how can i make drawing hands easier on myselfit seems they always are in the same-ish position for me, see: the hand at the top right doesnt make much sense>>7600979oh hey its you :3i like her little face\>>7617502those look cool>>7617500im piggy backing here, but i always make sure to even if i copy, atleast try my best to make it my own thing instead of completely copying itit helps a lot
>>7629361You want to draw what he’s drawn yes, but also take those principles and apply them to your own drawings, like you said. Here’s a few warmups of his that I found helpful
>>7631014
>>7630992Study hands from life. It’s more challenging but you’ll develop a stronger understanding of them.
>>7631018i will try that, thanks :3
>>7630868Hey amazing drawing! Thank you for the advice I already bought myself 3 books from Leonardo collection. I will go through them all then I will buy the book from Guptil which looks very complete. Thank you for the piece of advice ! I will keep posting from time to time so if you recognize don t hesitate to leave a feedback
>>7605183>Hi fren, I'm going to give you a radical suggestionThe guy draws digitally. Why would he need to use traditional techniques for tracing?
>>7630868Based
i'm trying to do this exercise from marco bucci's course, but i don't really understand how light interacts with objects and where shadows should be put. like here, i attempted to make light come from the front and above, with some kind of big cast shadow in the middle, but i'm not sure if i did it right. critique very welcome
I'm taking the pencil again since few months. I'm a beg with not very good (no to say terrible) eyes accuracy. Everytime I draw I'm frustrated, even when the drawing is ok, that certain thing or out of palce or proportions mistake.I mostly sketch. I did a year ago all of Fun With A Pencil, a good book and enjoyed it a lot.I saw the krenz video and understand the importance of good eyes to really improve. The thing is that I'm totally lost when it comes to the enveloppe thing. I don't really understand how to deal with it, neither do I understand how to deal with it inside too kek.Can I just identify shapes independently at the beginning and not carrying about the enveloppe ? Or should I really focus on understand it ? Also, should I have a sketch approach (with a lot of restating) or should I do like the guys on Bargues plates videos (when I put a line, I'm sure of it exactitude) ?Sorry for blogposting.
>>7646831*certains thing are out of space or proportionnal mistakesSorry, I'm a little tired kek
>>7617502What pencil do you use?
Permabeg retrying to learn anatomy
>>7646831Hi anon, I struggle a lot with the same problems as you. I think it helps with asking yourself what you wish to achieve. Do you want to understand every detail or just the larger picture? Krenz takes a middle approach. I am a beginner too, but I think I might be able to help slightly if you post an exercise that you have trouble with. >>7649772Good work, anon. I believe you are following Hampton's course. The thing that immediately stuck out to me is the width of your bones. You have the general proportions of the vertical placement, but your legs look too stout because they are wide.
This thread is very wholesome, I might redline the studies, grading and tips, all of yall cool?
>>7652616Are you that schizo? No thanks.
>>7652301Thank you bossI'm just gonna follow the guidelines and draw the diagrams till I get em engrained in my memory
>>7654855nice
Study attempt.It's very hard to shade with graphite. I will try charcoal next.
>>7655037Beautiful. If you’d like advice, I would suggest to understand the planes of the face better to have smoother value transitions. I like the softness of her sockets. >>7654855Amazing line work. This is a side comment, but I’m wondering about the position of his leg in this particular frame. When I squat the bar, my legs rotate out rather than curl in. I remember getting a back injury when I tried weight lifting too much, causing my legs to collapse in.
>>7656369Are you mecha anon?
Never tried to actually sit down and study shadows before beyond just blocking out the shapes
>>7654890ty>>7656369also thank you. Yeah that dude in particular squats like that cause he has a permanently messed up knee and ankle, so he can't bend them all the way. He compensates by letting it cave in.>>7660543ye
Didn't realize there was a study thread mbFirst batch of PixiQueenie face studies
color studie, 30 min
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>>7600912Not pushing yourself won't stop the flow of time you enourmous faggot. Zoomers deserve nothing.
>>7665492pure sexI love your linework.
Does anyone have this reference pack or anything similar with lots of animal skulls? It looks pretty fun to studyhttps://lane339.gumroad.com/l/Skulls
>>7600979>Why beauty mattersWatched the first minute and it looks like reactionary bullshit, you of all people have no right to complain about degenerate art
>>7680889this looks so good, i might buy it
>>7681016if you do, can you humbly share it for a poorfag pleasehttps://www.artstation.com/marketplace/p/Km3Od/lane-s-skulls-and-bones-reference-packIt has a 30% discount on artstation
>>7681031i'm also a poorfag, i''d have to whore myself out for this
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>>7618082I love these. So much character
>>7623964>>7623619Very beautiful work
did a few zeet studio figures after work today :) i think after the first hour i just like using the videos as pose references haha>>7618318i feel like i just go straight for things i am excited to learn first before moving on to other things, and i keep studies short in the beginning until i've built up enough confidence and start to enjoy the end result enough to have enough energy to get through longer more complicated studies
>>7685949Cute killugons
>>7685987thx!
Been doing proportion studies to help with consistency. I take the time to draw out the proportions of my character and try to apply those measurements to the figure in ref, regardless their body type or gender. It's a bit more difficult in complex poses since my anatomy skills aren't where I want them to be, but this helps a lot.
so this is where all the gmi drawers post, good to know
>>7600946unless you've been drawing like this for over a year, there's still hope.
>>7687336Who's the model? Do you have a pack?
Why is the skill level in here 100x the rest of this board, lol. Anyway, I can’t draw worth anything, lmao. I think I’m getting a little better though. All my power level points are in color and watercolor technique
>>7687655this is so good, i'm always jealous of people who can use watercolour well
>>7600912How can I achieve a sharp, good-looking brush texture in Photoshop? I tried using the Mixer Brush, but I feel clumsy with it; everything turns into a blurry mess (like picrel). The sharpen filter doesn’t help much either...
>>7688467There a lots of tools and methods you can use. You'll have to try them out and see which you like in your workflow.lasso toolmaskshard edged brushpaint on a new layer, erase with a hard eraser to create a hard edge.The smart sharpen filter can help a little bit.Ctrl+Paint has demos for these tools and techniques. And Marco Bucci's stuff is good too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJMOLDLznpohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT1s8Mg5R68https://youtu.be/nnhj5efzN_w?t=647https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZknWKTpc90&list=PLLmXZMqb_9sbNLM83NrM005vRQHw1yTKn&index=4It's a bit more difficult to make hard edges so a lot of the time pros block in the hard shapes first then soften the edges down, rather than the other way around. Because of how soft brushes and mixer brushes work, they'll always get a bit blurry if you over use them. You need to start with very sharp edges to help mitigate this. Once you can do it with the basic brushes, it's the same principle with the textured brushes. Temp layers and undo help a lot because things can get messy pretty quickly.
>>7688467Sharp texture is just contrast. Make sure your mixer brush is set to dry, heavy 100% load and that you pick up high contrast areas in the stamp. Use brushes with an opaque stamp, or at least part of it opaque, and try vary spacing.
>>7687613Model is Angelique from croquiscafe. I used to use an old password they had when they first paywalled their content, but they since changed it last I checked.https://croquis.cafe/I'll see if I can upload what I have on MEGA.
>>7688685Cheers, mate
>>7688467>>7688493Thank you both for your replies. Working more on my edges did the trick. That Marco Bucci video was a great resource.
>>7600912Bump
the quote from loomis can be summarized very simply, which is funny to me.just draw.
i'm doing too many elaborate studies and less sketchy and fast ones. i'm not sure which is more effective, i have to find a balance between doing more minor stuff next to the big studies AND projects i want to do. i mean, as long as one keeps drawing, eh? i wont just repost it but link from the other thread as long as its up https://i.4cdn.org/ic/1755128675183927.jpg these take quite a while to do, but it does feel effective in training
Ok so I'm trying out construction
I just picked up CSP and I'm looking to dive into it soon, but I've never touched it or Photoshop before. If anyone could drop some recommendations for videos or tutorials that would help me learn the app, I’d really appreciate it.Attaching a little study done in Procreate so it’s not totally off-topic teehee
>>7694418I would just play around with CSP for a while and figure out what you like to use and how you like to draw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M55J0dpZddAAlso similar features CSP has to Photoshop are just named differently, so instead of "flow," CSP calls it "brush density."
>>7603054You have a discord? I'll add ya fren
>>7604141Watch out for those hand and forearms anon, looks a bit strange compared to the skirt details
And the actual study part
>>7695100Thank you!
Tried myself at some middle aged hag drawing
I think I messed up the legs :(
>>7699141refhttps://www.characterdesigns.com/photoset-011-gun-action-pose-male-model
im studying ancient weeb flora
>>7701120(the actual weeb flora)
>>7701120wild wukong postings spotted. back to /beg/ with yah, monkeyman! shu shu! looking good either way. keep it up
>>7701152XDDD allright allright i shoo keep up the good work you all :3(thanksies :3)
>>7701125Name of the book?
>>7701219its called ''how to paint the chinese way'' by jean long
>>7701268Thanks
>>7701272np :3
Do you guys use one sketchbook for everything or do you have multiple for different subjects (studies, life drawing, ideas, etc.)?
trying to get bettter at designing and polishing materialswish i didn't paint so tight, it's a pain in the ass to blend and polish every edge when rendering something
>>7702491wish i could paint more loosely like thisbut no, my autistic ass needs to get everything super rendered
>>7600912There's another Feng Zhu video from the /beg/ guide which recommends 10 studies per day as a routine, but I'm finding myself rushing to meet the number rather than taking my time like many of the people ITT. Would it be more productive to do maybe a few quick sketches, say 4, and then a long sketch for #5 rather than just 10 sloppy 10-20 min sketches?Or maybe throw out the idea of meeting numbers and just focus on quality?Sorry I'm a bit of an autist and like to follow directions precisely.
>>7600929Do you really believe you're a /beg/? Come on.
>>7707662Faster sketches at first help. Then longer ones are more helpful once you are starting to understand the concept you are learning. So more quick ones to start with, then increase the ratio of longer drawings as you get better. You can repeat this loop every drawing fundamental that you learn. Let's say you have an hour to draw. If you did 5 quick ones in the first 30 minutes, you could spend the rest of the time on whichever sketch came out the best, or on a new drawing or two.
>>7687655>Why is the skill level in here 100x the rest of this board, lolWhat do you think studying is?????
Errrrmmmmmmmmmmmmm....
>>7687358cool handsomesquidward study
>>7708280try minimizing the face/head size on her right side. too much space for that perspective
hey guys I'm trying to paint like picrel, so I'm studying it, but I feel like there's always something off with my copy, is anyone willing to help a retard out please?
>>7714175this is yesterday's copy before and after advice
>>7702491nice work
>>7714176I fucking love mossa's artstyle
>>7702497PYFW.
hello mr beg is here
>>7717806
Beetle :)
>>7717899I think I definitely need to push the values more. Right now I am trying to do a lot of these photo studies and those in a short time. I would appreciate any input or advice.
Figure drawings I did yesterday and the day before, 10 minutes each.
>>7718668They're good but I agree that there is a bit more space to push your values in certain places, but make sure to not overdo it. Especially in the bird skull there's a subtlety that is very pretty. A bigger issue imo is your edgework. All your edges are the same, kinda soft and wishywashy. A few firmer or a downright hard edge in the rigt places will make your stuff better. Where do you get your refs? I'd be interested in doing these myself. Thanks anon!
>>7720294thank you for the advice, I will look more into edges in painting. I got the photos from two different sets; lane339 gumroad comsome anon posted them here somewhere.
>>7717719draw from better references, senpai.
>>7720555that one was funny
>>7720611thats true. its very low res though
doodle :)
I try to limit myself to 30mins
>day 10374829347472 of trying to improveWill there be a Eureka! moment when I finally figure out how to do art well, or is art a never-ending cycle of self-hatred?
>>7721623the eureka happens when you start having fun with it instead of seeing it as work or means to gain fame and money, which is stupid anyway. if you want money, watch the markets and news. a war is happening? invest in war companies, steel companies etc. its not fucking rocket science. elon is being retarded again? buy tesla at the lowpoint and wait for it to recover 30% if not more. snow white is bombing at the box office? buy some yidsney stock once it virals and wait for the recovery. thats how all the geezers make their money.
>>7721623The Eureka moment is when you realize you have to stop winging it and stick with a process. Then when you go back to your old habits you realize oh wow there's more knowledge here than I had previously. Which makes art more fun. But you're always constantly struggling with something. As you stick with said process realize the tiny mistakes, for example a common one is thinking the contour of the eye socket in 3/4 view is always drawn at a 45 degree angle and nailing that can cascade into figuring out the relationship of the contour and the cheek bone and further refining your proportions as a whole, before you know it you draw completely different than you had your entire life. If you feel stuck try different construction methods watch a lot of critique videos (Artshills usually make these free in order for you to join their course) Chances are you're making the same mistakes and it can change your art.
>>7721623There’s barely any structure here, anon. You’re trying to think three-dimensionally but you’re missing the mark because of your poor knowledge of the forms
>>7721733what book is this? Seems very interesting, I'm using Loomis drawing the head and hands right now, but I very often need to fill in the gaps, so I also use the proko tutorials on features for example, but would be very nice to have an additional source on head drawing/anatomy.
>>7603061I thought this was a photograph of someones shoes in the thumbnail.
I did my first back study today, but I kind of got fixated on cross contours and studying form. Do you think this type of study is valuable or did I waste an hour doing a bunch of needless cross contour lines? Any advice/feedback appreciated, since I'm still a beg, and I don't really have an established process yet.
>>7723456I don't think you have wasted your time, but like you said, instead on learning anatomy, you've instead started to focus more on form. I've been asking myself the same question; is it ok, when I start out with one thing and end up doing another. You have to be honest to yourself. Did you swap over to doing a form study, because you felt more at ease with it? I think it's vital, that we always challenge ourselves. So if you want to learn anatomy, it's probably a good idea to actually set aside some study time and really focus on the subject matter.Nice drawing btw.
>>7723456It is important to also study the forms of the muscles when doing anatomy so you're doing it right. Just remember to also learn their origins and insertions as this will inform the directions in which you draw the forms as well as how the muscles deform based on the movements.
>>7723506I think that's a good point. I should probably set clearer criteria before I start a study to decide exactly what it is I'm focusing on. I'm confident with my observational drawing, but because of my tendency to break things down into contours and 2d shapes, I can often 'capture' a form without actually understanding it. Due to that, I feel like I've been sort of using observation as a crutch, so this was an experimental attempt to get me to focus exclusively on the form, although I am not sure if this is a good way to go about it given how relatively time consuming this type of drawing is. It might be more efficient to just draw a couple of cross contours per volume and call it a day. >>7723527That's a good point, my choice of cross contour directionality was largely arbitrary/aesthetic in choice. If I decide to do more studies like this, clearly marking the attachment tendons and purposefully aligning the cross contours to be perpendicular to the muscle fibers instead of fixating on the form would probably be more valuable for learning.
>>7721563these are really nice
>>7720257I could recognize Hampton's rib cage from a mile away. Try only using straight lines across the sternum, like the drawing tells. Also, the reason it looks a little off is because the original has a very slight perspective warp to it. Otherwise it looks good.
Rendering always seemed cryptic to me, so I sat down and bruteforced this one with a "just paint what I see" approach to get a handle on blending. Amidoinitrite?
I settled on more of a middle ground approach with my current studies, still focusing primarily on form. I went with fewer cross contour lines to just give the idea of the shape. Drawings with tons of cross contours are fun, but I think I'll hold off on those while I'm still getting the basics of form down. It works well with muscular figures with a lot of distinct masses, but softer feminine forms are tougher for me right now for some reason. This was partly because I was probably 3 hours deep on studies or so at this point and was starting to get tired/bored, but I also struggle a bit when the geometry is way more subtle and the planes are less distinct. I'm the most happy with how #3 turned out, so I think I'll try to go that route with future studies.
>>7724715thank you!I've tried these 5value studies, suggested by Craig Mullins. They are messy and badly done, but I want to do more of them and try to fix the bad constructions and messy approach.
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>>7728812>>7728814nice work. how long do you spend per study? can you briefly describe your process?
>>7728906Thanks! >>7728812 this one took 1 hour, and as you can see in the timelapse vid the process is just going from simple shapes to more detailed stuff. >>7728814 this one took 30 min
>>7728921that is some great insight, thanks for sharing the video.
>>7723456I think this is useful for artistic purposes, as in how to render the back in accordance to the forms. However, if you’re trying to get good at drawing the back, you’re better off doing multiple drawings with less detail and a greater emphasis on process so that you get better at drawing the back. Repetition is king in art and this doesn’t seem like something you’d naturally want to draw over and over
>>7731313That's good advice, it's basically what I ended up doing >>7726136Does anyone have any advice on shading? I'm finally trying to work on value and basic rendering while doing anatomy studies, but am really just trying random shit out and seeing what sticks. I can't decide whether hatches should mostly be parallel or more if I should stick to the form more strictly. I think 2b looks the most 3 dimensional, but 2a seems more aesthetically appealing to me for some reason.
>>7731416Oh okay I see. >>77314162a looks the best too imo. There’s no right or wrong way to shade, just decide how to approach it based on what has the most appeal, which is 2a in this case. Sometimes shading along the form will look better and sometimes drawing more parallel lines will . You just have to have good judgement
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Bunch of experimental leg studies while I learned how gesture and shading works.
>>7707662The point of studies is to learn something new or becoming more familiar with a subject. Each study should take as long as necessary to solve the problem of that drawing/painting. So if it takes 2 minutes to solve the key problem, but then you spend 8 minutes doing unrelated rendering, you will end up with 2 minutes of problem solving, an unfinished sketch and some amount of time you spent reflecting on it.It's better to set a time block, like an hour where you do focused work. And then work through each study with deliberate focus on solving something specific, reflecting briefly on what could be done better, and then moving to the next.
I want to get better at gesture drawing, so I'm gonna try to do it more consistently. I don't want to waste a month doing it wrong, so I'd love any pointers. I based this on Michael Hampton's method. I think I need to suggest more form in the gesture.
