Welcome to the traditional art thread, /ic/'s area for those who work with physical tools rather than digital.Previous thread: >>7662459TQ: What is a medium you've always wanted to try but didn't yet for various reasons?
>>7680527ur mums vegin.reasons is STDs and AIDS
>>7680527Shitting out a portrait on the street.Reason: Poor sphincter control being an Indian.
Hello fellow autistsI have recently started to get into stained glass and I noticed a real lack of actual physical anime related pieces. This is going to be Youmu from Touhou. Right now I'm missing the colors for her hair, so currently she's beheaded. Her wrist also got a bit of a booboo too when I was grinding it... Is stained glass /trad/ related? I haven't ever seen any other stained glass related threads on any board before, so I wasn't sure where to put it
>>7680821how does stained glass work? do you make the pieces yourself?
>>7680821>animeoh no no no
>>7680821Thats cool.
reworking on a painting I left 6 years ago cuz got frustrated, now I'll try to finish before sundaypic related it was how looked before rework
>>7681073and this how it looks today, still WIP as you can see
>>7680821Stained glass is certainly a traditional medium. How did you get into doing this? Do you take commissions etc etc?
>>7681077Your body looks so good that I sincerely suggest you practice your faces before continuing. It's so easy to turn a 10/10 piece into a 1/10 if the face looks wonky. I mean absolutely no disrespect, if you can make the clothing look good, it's totally worth it to make the face perfect too!
I keep trying this scene. At least this one is better than the last two attempts. Probably time to move on. It’s not terrible I guess, but I feel the reference photo may be more compelling. That’s got to mean I need to do better Watercolor shitteded out on tortured cotton
>>7681514Reference
It is ALMOST doneReal life is interfering a lot with my drawing time atm
>>7681518It's a good attempt but I think you should really focus on identifying what's appealing about the photo before you try to draw it. Really work on copying the shapes and values you see
>>7681514>>7681518It's attractive. The features of your water (shape and spacing of waves, bright color) make it seem much closer than in the source. Your water doesn't slope away as in the source, making it seem we're looking quite steeply downward, which doesn't match our horizontal view of your trees. Also, the wave details and highlights are sharp and convincing, but the fuzzy way the water meets the beach is not.Generally, I quite like it. You might practice the beach/sea background a few times til you recognize what works. Though the beach is generally vertical in the source, it is made up of vertical strokes...
>>7680842So you first start with a pattern that you either find or make yourself. Then you decide what color you want where, and using sheets of colored glass, you trace the pattern and using a specialized glass cutter, cut out the pattern. You then need to grind the pieces with a special grinder, put this type of copper foil tape along the edges, and use solder to fix them into position. Stained glass is tricky to cut, its not like fabric and only breaks in certain ways, meaning you need to kinda pre-plan your cuts in order to reduce waste and grinding needed to get the pieces to fit. It's a bit of a puzzle.This picture is how I lay out the pieces. >>7681127Glad I'm in the right place. I searched warosu for stained glass-related threads but didn't really find any, so I wasn't sure. I got into it because I like physical art so much! I lived in Japan for a number of years and frequented those big doujin events where all sorts of arts and such was sold. There was this one circle that was selling Touhou faux stained glass pieces, which were like printed vinyl on real glass. I figured I could make a real thing, since I've never actually seen anyone else do that before. Like you always see tons of those anime stained glass-style drawings, but one that's actually physical? Never. That said, the startup cost is really high unless you find a good deal from someone who either passed away or got out of the hobby. I manged to luck out and score thousands of dollars worth of glass and tools for $250 from the estate of a stained glass artist.
>>7682251As for commissions, that's a seriously complicated questions with stained glass. Since I'm still new, I don't think I'm particularly good enough for anything like that yet. Additionally, I don't think anyone would actually be willing to pay for how much I'd probably have to charge for a piece. Like each sheet of colored glass is at least $10usd but ranges quite a lot, and the time to cut, grind, and fit each piece could easily add up to thousands of dollars. I don't think it's realistic.
>>7682251>>7682252That's really cool, I love seeing stained glass in churches.Unfortunately, the commercial side is probably completely fucked with modern windows, since you can't just slot a panel into a hole in the wall and I doubt a vitrail can handle being in a unit, so you'd probably need custom frames to mount them commercially. Very much an upmarket venture.I used to work operating a glass furnace for construction/automotive/marine glass so I've processed a lot of painted, printed and colored glass for units, the reaction to heat is extremely dependent on color and coat.We had one guy whose job was just to color match paint, he was known for being the fastest guy in the country, literally taking days off projects because he could color match paint fast. Couldn't even get a raise because sealed units were 95% of the value.
>>7682278Also, just in case anyone's wondering how color matching can save so much time (and it's trad adjacent kinda), glass paint changes color after toughening in the furnace, and every glass profile and color need different temperatures, quench pressure and running time, so to match a color, you need to mix paint and run a test panel through the furnace and since the furnace processes 10-16 tons of glass every shift, you either need to wait for a suitable batch of glass to run it with, or stop the current batch to get it through. The furnace and quench run independent of one another despite being the same machine, so running a fast furnace with a slow load in the quench means the quench load gets dumped out prematurely, plus the furnace needs time to heat and cool down and the turbines need to ramp up the quench pressure, so at the extreme end you can get two hours of the furnace literally doing nothing because you needed to test a specific profile in the middle of a large batch.This guy got it on the first try every time.
>>7682291Woah that is a seriously unique job you had. Wow. Glass painting seems quite interesting! It's a whole different art form basically. Like all the church figures and whatnot are all painted on. And like you said, kilm fired too so the paint adheres properly. I've personally no experience with it, but its something I want to get into, especially for doing details for the anime pieces since stained glass is not good for little details and other bits. I'm going to try and paint her eyes, lord know how that'll go. Perhaps she should be left headless incase I fuck up. lmaoThis is that faux touhou piece I was talking about. They were really expensive for just being a decal on top of glass. I'm sure that circle had great margins.
>>7682303It's not just about being kiln fired, I think you'd need to actually tamper the pieces after cutting them, quench and all. I don't think you can cut toughened glass, and all construction glass needs to be toughened to a safety standard so it breaks into small enough pieces in most of the western world. That's assuming the glass works like construction glass and is subject to the same regulations, might be different since they're basically suspended shards and braking one part of the vitrail doesn't actually reduce other chunks to fragments.Now I'm wondering how it all works, tampering irregular shapes would be a fucking nightmare, surface width needs to be at a certain coefficient with glass thickness and even with the edges mirror polished you'd get chips and shells, though I guess those would get covered by the frame.No wonder we don't see stained glass anywhere
>>7682083>>7682111I actually had just realized the necessity of the water vanishing point myself. The perspective of this attempt almost suggests we’re on a straight vertical cliff with the top slanting towards the water, lol. I think I may use rocks like this to simplify the foreground as well.
>>7682353it's less the linear perspective and more the atmospheric perspectiveyou need more saturation in contrast in the foreground and less in the background to give the illusion of depthvalues are the main issue flattening tie image, based on value and saturation alone it looks like the viewer is looking at a nearby sunlit surface from a shade, just look at the thumb
I got my gouache out, I'm this guy: >>7679868>>7679866after thinking about what I wanted to achieve and how to do it. I took a sketch i had inked, and gouached all over it. I'm pretty happy with the results. the background is a bit messy, and the feet and anatomy needs work, but it was fun and so liberating to be able to add light to something, and not have to worry about covering up linework. Still learning though, Any tips or tricks with gouache?>>7680821Very nice! I love the colours already.>>7681514I think the water is beautiful, but it doesn't really match. The reference has water on a diagonal line, almost, but yours is more of a curve. I'd also suggest adding more dark trees, and maybe that foggy hill in the distance But it's very nice!>>7682353Oh you were way ahead of me!
It's my buddy dan
Went to the stained glass store today and finally got the colors I need. I'm gonna paint some of the hair details especially for the finer bits, so that's why some pieces are left odd looking on the outside. The face too will be painted, but I'm not super confident so that'll certainly be last. I'm not 100% sold on the hair colors. I don't care for the solid Grey, what do you guys think? I can substitute it with another gradient piece
Any good art history books you guys recommend? I just finished Gombrich's Story of Art and found it rather superficial (understandable, given the breadth of the subject he was dealing with). I enjoyed Wolfflin's Principles of Art much more. Any recs, could be broad or more narrow in scope. Thanks!
>>7683060have you tried Ghorkochkin's Less Yappi Yappi, More Painty Painty?
>>7683105>the unexamined painting is not worth paintingyou gotta know what you're doing before you do it, ey?
>>7683124Nta but making art is really quite a hands-on thing anon.
>>7682252>Like each sheet of colored glass is at least $10usd but ranges quite a lot, and the time to cut, grind, and fit each piece could easily add up to thousands of dollars. I don't think it's realistic.$10 per sheet doesn't sound terrible, depending on how big that is. I mean that's roughly what we pay per canvas at the lower size range. You really should math out what you'd consider a fair price for your time. I think the skill is rare enough that even at lower skill levels someone would be willing to fork out significant cash for something custom like that.
>>7682610>I don't care for the solid Grey, what do you guys think? I can substitute it with another gradient pieceShine a light through it. How the shadow reacts could be considered a design choice on the part of the piece you're making. Solid could be good because it might cast a solid silhouette of the hair shape making it recognizable from a distance and contrasting as a dark blotch above the more transparent blotches of the lower bits. But maybe you'd rather use a more transparent grey because it will cast a more accurate vivid looking shadow when the light hits it. It's all up to you, and what you think looks best. You're the artist
>>7683124good goy
The most cultural significant artwork of the last 10 years or more is the banana taped to the wall. Isn’t that sad? The last historical important painting is the red abomination of Charls portrait.Its really tiresome.It feel like there is nothing good for art in the future.
>>7683426>The most cultural significant artwork*the second most media hyped artwork
>>7683428What do you mean? Thats the point it’s rather a stupid meme or not existing for the public.With movies you have at least annual award shows, for normie movies, for art houses movies. Like what is the best painting or artwork of 2024? The question makes no sense.
>>7683436Why must you be like this?
>>7683458How?
>>7683428what was the first one?
>>7683500any Bansky artwork
>>7683504I haven't heard of banksy in years, but the banana was everywhere
>>7683426>>7683124Most of (modern) art history is a marketing ploy to keep cranking up the value of movements that are long since dead so that the ultra rich's investments continue to gain value. If you do any research about Sotheby's fine arts market, they straight up have a system where if no one buys the overpriced trash on their market, they will personally buy it as a guarantor so that the value continues to go up regardless of "consumer" demand. It's fraud all around. The parade around the corpses of dead artists and say "look what Ive got, it's worth so much!" when they bought it for pennys as the artist quietly slipped into the afterlife. Only soulless investors care more about the dead than the living artists. I hate marketing, I hate the art market, and I hate people who don't know about the scam that buy into the hype as they get sold a dead poor man's legacy for premium prices.There are living artists.
>>7683504Banksy has the most recognizable paintings of the last 25 years, thats for sure. But his last media stunt was the shredder, from 2018.
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>>7683511I'm talking about real art history. What were the theoretical and technical reasons for the Impressionists breaking with the Academics? Would any of you be able to explain that? What was Delacroix's reason for abandoning well-modeled form and a proper drawing in favor of loose color? And how are any of these topics informing your own art? Isn't this something worth thinking about? Why are the Preraphaelitas called precisely that, and not the Predavincians or Premichelangelos?
>mom sends me a link to a place she rented for a vacation in greece>outside is very nice, clay pots, stone walls, interesting yard, century old olive>inside is turbo corpo generic nondescript hotel room tier>literally only one piece of decorative artwork, a huge pseudo-retro beer ad print>check others, same thing>start paying attention, dropping into restaurants and waiting areas in businesses around the city>basically zero paintings, if there are any, they're visibly 40+ years oldCan we have a serious discussion about the state of the market?Does this match your experience in your area?If so, what causes it? Are paintings just lame and gay as a medium, are the subjects and styles stale, are artists asking for too much and everyone just lol'd and fucked off? I've noticed when artists talk about pricing your paintings and how to sell, it's always in the context of collectors and more rarely art fairs, and it's the kind of prices I would never in my right mind pay for a painting.When I walk by art galleries, the prices are always high and there's never anyone inside.What does it take to sell artwork to normal, young people and businesses that clearly don't care?
>>7683511Even the art market is not growing since 20 years or something.But what else matters? There is this American neo-salon that was full of ai crap last year. Do you consider the winner of the contest as the best living artists?5 years ago it was possible to be famous by just doing art, like Ilya Kuvshinov the Tracer.Kim jung gi was the last one primarily artist with social significance.Today? I think manga artists are somewhat relevant.Im not doomposting, btw. Im still doing art and i will continue to do it, you all should as well.But its feel more and more like a dying art. I cant see anything good happening for artists in the future. Like the most optimistic scenario i can come up with: maybe in 5-15 years the economic situation get good and people have more money to spend on unnecessary things
Would we be better off if we had an /art market/ general instead?
>>7683549don't be a nigger
>>7683555No, back to YOU, mister trips!
>>7683549If anything, we need an art history general where you can yap about about theory and reading jewish books, that's not /trad/. What people want out of trad art is.
I want to see people's paintings, drawings, weird glass and taxidermy experiments. I don't want to hear your inane yapping about prices and dumb art theory. I want to see you MAKE stuff.
>>7683567I don't give a shit what you want, this isn't a free gallery for you, nigger, it's a thread for trad artists to discuss trad art
>>7683567then use google, this is a forum
>>7683530>What were the theoretical and technical reasons for the Impressionists breaking with the Academics? Would any of you be able to explain that? What was Delacroix's reason for abandoning well-modeled form and a proper drawing in favor of loose color?Call me reductive, but isn't the answer purely just because he thought it looked neat? Like I like well rendered realism as much as anybody but there's stuff you can do with paint beyond a perfect or even idealist rendering that looks cool and is valid as it's own style if done with intention. Like they just wanted to be able to do as they like and not be called shitty for it. Like it's really obvious to me and I don't need to get into the nitty gritty of why they chose to fight the system to understand it. Also the system they fought against is a completely different system than the one YOU will fight against as an artist. >Stuffy stifling classical artists that demand you do things the way we've always done itvs>floofy foo foo do whatever you it's all art maaaan like modernists, nooo but you cant represent something in earnest that's kitsche I hate you also you can only sell through our dealer network and if you don't we'll hard block you from the market making your shit worthlessThey don't teach the latter in history books, because it's an on going scam. You'll never learn about it in a way that's meaningful to your growth and the things the old guard fought against have long been vanquished, the flame barely kept lit by various quiet ateliers around the world. It just seems silly to research that stuff instead of simply painting. I'm welcome to hearing your thoughts on why you think it's still important though.>>7683536I saw no reason to pick up traditional UNTILL the advent of ai. People are going to want and value REAL things in the wake of infinite slop. I think in terms of market value adjustments AI is the best thing to ever happen to traditional art due to it's intrinsic valueless nature.
>>7683590>People are going to want and value REAL things in the wake of infinite slop. I think in terms of market value adjustments AI is the best thing to ever happen to traditional art due to its intrinsic valueless nature.Big doubt. I've said years ago that AI will drive an increase in the demand for trad instruction and supply of trad paintings, but demand for paintings? Unlikely to be a net gain.Kids being born now won't even know a world without slop and will spend their formative years looking at a sea of slop online and fapping to ai porn of their crush. They won't give a fuck about real
>>7683590You think your „God of the gap“ position does art any justice?Its a brother social construct people try to male work. Oh neoliberalism faild us, lets larp traditionalism.Oh, Staicy cucked me after sucking me out of my finances, wich made me come back to you Lang Ling.Its a position of weakness.
>>7683614>Its a brother social construct people try to male workOkay, time for bed, gypsy
>>7683608I don't really care about what non customers find value in. They were never buyers to begin with. Someone somewhere wants what you've got, they just don't know it yet. White walls are boring.
>>7683608What was the last art movement that was real? How real was Vermeer?
>>7683616It is, a tradition once dead can’t be relived. There is a big demand for it. Trumps shallow promise to turn time back, to make America great again, shows it. Trump is larping as Rogan. European politicians larping as Trump. Neighter will work. The cat is out of the sack and god has viewer and viewer gaps to hide in.
>>7683590your whole post is wrong and your opinions are worthless.>I don't need to get into the nitty gritty of why they chose to fight the system to understand ityes you do.The impressionists started going outdoors and they saw that all the detailed modelling taught at the academy only works if you paint indoors with a very controlled light situation (one source, no reflections). When going outside to paint the real world, you will never see light fall off, you will never see slow shadow transitions, you will never see dark shadows.Delacroix wanted to have strong, vibrant colors in his paintings, and he realised that the more you model the form, the more you have to desaturate your colors (saturation is usually at its peak with paint right out of the tube, the more you model the more you have to add black/white/other pigments, which will inevitably desaturate your color). This is why Ingres has great form but very pale colors, this is why velazquez has great form but all his colors are brown mud. Delacroix wanted pure color hence his decision to stop modelling so much. Now, does any of this sound like something you could apply to your paintings?
>>7683614I actually have no idea what your position is or what you even think mine is. What is God of the gap? What are you even saying? Please use common language I have no idea what you are saying but I'm genuinely interested in understanding you and what you believe the alternatives to my position are
>>7683644The joy in openly being wrong is that you can be made right. Thanks for sharing your position.
>>7683646You define the worth of art, as the gap in what the ai can do right now. Dont you see a fundamental flaw in it?
>>7683652go on, make me right
>>7683701The bait was that in not taking my words as earnest appreciation, you'd make yourself wrong. I hoped you wouldn't.>>7683687The gap will be infinite because it can not create. It can not observe ________ and because it can not observe ________ it will never bridge the gap. They will never figure it out because they can't observe it either. People should be concerned with gaps in their painting history, not gaps in tech development. I've already accepted that I may die penniless. It's not about the money, it's about telling a story.
>>7683718How do you explain that?> I saw no reason to pick up traditional UNTILL the advent of ai.
>>7683718>The bait was that in not taking my words as earnest appreciation, you'd make yourself wrong. I hoped you wouldn't.lol ok, so it was honest appreciation? Cool. Seriously, I'm all for practicing a lot, but reading is a way of studying the masters, so why wouldn't we do that? Rubens told Velazquez he should travel to Venice to see Tiziano's work. Can you imagine if Velazquez hadn't heeded his advice and said "lol just paint, faggot, just put paint on canvas"
Post shit you made, you fags. Take your blathering to another thread.
>>7683762>/trad/ - Traditional Art General - "We Are All Nice and Helpful This Time" Edition
> you should post art> art posted> no replies
>>7683762People who post things like this should be forced to comment on uncommented artposts at gun point. There are a few things in here that have seen no comment. A good audience waters the garden.>>7683747I mean my primary interest in art was in making digital concept art stuff for the industry but since that industry has tanked ive simply made a tactical reposition so that I still have an external reason to continue to match my internal one. It's not a value judgement so much as a personal reassessment of where I'd like to be and what I'd like to be doing. The likelyhood that someone decides to make a traditional painting robot is so far off and into the future t hat it's more likely that I'd have sex with it than see it as competition. It's comments like these that make me shy away from posting my art.
>>7683762where's yours
>>7683519I feel like you'd love the paintings of Hans Schmithals.
>>7683535Come on, none of you have any opinion on the place paintings have in the modern society?None of you have any opinions on who you plan to sell paintings to?
>>7684121I paint because it feels great to do.
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>>7684136Nice non-sequitur, what does that have to do with anything?
>>7684140I love painting.
>>7682610Spent the day changing around a lot of her hair colors. Thoughts?
>>7684121I work in sales. You can sell anything if you earnestly connect with the customer and find out their wants and needs. The problem you are referring to is that modern people cant afford quality and worse yet due to the modernist and post modernist cults have willingly deshod themselves of the understanding of what quality even is. No one believes in objective quality, everything is whimsy flimsy whatever you want it to be. It used to be in the past that people would look up at the rich as an authority for what to emulate in their own lives to show as a visual indicator of wealth/success. But with the advent of communism and modernism there is a pervasive hatred of shown wealth and achievement, so now even the most wealthy man shows his false humblness by wearing drab colors and driving a Toyota corolla. See Billy Gates is just like us! But he's not. The rich have gone insane and abdicated their duty as stewards of culture to cannibalize it in money laundering schemes for the benefit of criminals.Basically the world is fucked, and the best thing you can do is ignore it and build your own insular community/movement aside from it. You want to fit into the system, but the system HATES you. Dont fit into it. Go outside of it as much as you can and do your own thing. If it's done in earnest people will consume it because it will be the only genuine thing there is to consume. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
>>7684225The problem you’re trying to identify is capitalism.
>>7683851nta but thanks for the rec. Really cool paintings.
>>7683851Why does it look like biomech tattoo?
>>7684336Because it's an early art nouveau painting and Giger's biomechanical drawings are a direct evolution from art nouveau.
Yeah, could use better atmospheric perspective on the right. I should have simplified the rocks on the right. Only 1 closer formation was needed, I think
This one is FINALLY DONEGod, this took so fucking long. A lot of time was spent on making studies and designs though. But I learned a lot here.
>>7684323I cant hear you with that government sanctioned propaganda cock in your mouth. Grow your own opinions.
I’ve posted a watercolor timelaps on youtube yesterday, still 0 views.What am i doing wrong?
Even Brain had reportedly no sells last month, after adjusting his prices due to inflation.
>mfw I check this board after not drawing for a yearWhat’s going on in here?
>>7684829I wouldn't buy Brian's shit either.
>>7684836Why not?
>>7684836Because buying art is about making a human connection between the buyer and the seller/artist. And I find Brian as a person extremely unlikable from seeing how he presents himself here. Maybe it's different outside of here but from what I've seen of his interactions here the thought of having a piece of that guy in my personal space doesn't fill me with positive feelings.
my oil paintings have been sitting in a hot room for a month, and still not fully dry. am i doing somthing wrong? should i varnish?
>>7684859>should i varnish?God, no. They need to have dried for at least 6 months, otherwise you'll get one of these cool swirly liquid paintings.
>>7684859Not usual but can happen
>>7684859are you using a lot of oil? That can take a reaaaaally long time to dry
>>7684856How to stay true to yourself without masking your real opinions on things so you can be likeable and make sales while staying true to yourself so that you don't hate yourself for covering up who you really are?If all your opinions are sanctioned by the crowd, are you really making anything that's worth anything? Are you really telling a story or challenging any narratives? Or are you a marketing agent normie with a paintbrush?
>>7684727let me just check the crystal ball for a minute
>>7685047Not being a normie doesn't necessary have to mean to be an unlikable abrasive asshat.
>>7685109I'm sorry there's really no way for me to package "the government is evil and the average person is a selfish retard that only cares about temporary gratification of material pleasures at the expense of even their own family" in a nice fun friendly digestible package.Some truth will be abrasive no matter how you package it. Being "likeable" is just being agreeable and that means going along with things you dont agree with to appease the crowd even if those things violate your moral code.Do you have any principles? Do you even know what principles are?
>>7684846Because his paintings are technically bad and I find them all very ugly and unappealing.
Painting outside more, people that walk by are insufferable. I think women have as a whole decided any man doing anything in public is directed at them, some kind of bird mating dance. “How do I make this random guy painting in the park about me?” And most people assume I’m going to be shit, they see someone painting and likely their instinct is “hah this guys probably terrible” so there’s always some fat fuck walking by who thinks I’m a loser beta, then he has to turn to his 5/10 girlfriend and say “hey u know I think I might start trying guitar again” I WANT TO MURDER EVERYBODY it’s not even worth elaborating on what boomers say, when they talk I just hear pops and whistles atp
>>7685161this is why I carry a couple bottles of my cum to just hand to the women swarming me so they'd leavewomen just want one thing, and it's disgusting
>>7685126It's not about truth. It's about being an unlikable asshat or not.
>>7685161hate is a poor substitute for straight thinking
>>7685230dont pretend u know how straight men think fag
>>7685233Being angry and abrasive is not "having principles".
>>7685235stfu fag you paint lik a woman
>>7684856ive found when money is involved people find my dead seriousness a bit more appropriate than on zero stakes platforms like instagram or twitter. im also very professional and concise about the shipment, packaging, and general "production quality" involved in my buyer's experiences, as well as gracious about refunds for unhappy buyers/compensating for mistakes/catering to buyer needs. I've had correspondences with customers that lasted months over shipments overseas that got lost or damaged, and provided direct involvement in fixing things for them or making the experience smoother if the packages were damaged beyond repair (one package for instance had a forklift at some point go directly through the box, puncturing every single of the 6 paintings in the box except for one)
>>7685302What was your worst shipping nightmare so far?
>>7685307something i sent to germany that got stuck in sweden and just never made it out, a lot of the postage lines for american labels simply arent long enough to fit the proper details for some countries too. Mexico for instance, the shortest address line for a spanish town will be so long it barely fits "Aradizamonte Apartmentado Arrangementido 543" , German as well, so i think what happened with the german one was the label couldnt even print out where he was, because the destination's name was so incredibly long in german that only half of it made it onto the label. resolving that took months, and i ended up refunding the buyer.
I painted a lamp from imagination, used gouache. How would you have done it? I mean the order. Here I did the background first, maybe I should have done it last?Do you have any tips on brush control, like I load my brush with too much paint, or too little, sometimes it's way too dry, other times way too much water. Just practice I guess. I'm used to ink and watercolur washes, not this thick paint, that tends to get stuck way up in a brush. Would love some feedback. >>7685302Lovely sketch! >>7685236These faces are really nice, I like the blotchy hair. >>7685161Maybe the guy felt self-conscious about not having a hobby? >>7684413Beautiful! I love the water, is the white gouache?>>7684166I think the grey could fit well with the very vibrant green dress! contrast. Though if you make the face opaque, then some transparent hair could be nice framing maybe?
>>7685161I go plein-air painting every now and then, and I've learnt to look for secluded or closed-off places, somewhere with a physical barrier between me and the public. They are really annoying
>>7685218You don't get it. There are some opinions you can have and be universally hated for. Like I straight up said I don't think you even know what principles are, let alone have any and you didn't even address it. It's a real a opinion I have, I cant sand that down and make it less abrasive without saying nothing at all.Can someone with a functioning frontal lobe address what I have to say? This guy is barely human.
>>7685161> IMG_9520.jpg Nice job man, with your technical skill i would not dare to paint in the public.
>>7685380the average harry potter disney millennial adult will own a shirt that says "yeetus the fetus" and the average african american adult in their 30s harbors deeply retarded ideas about Yakubian tricknology and black excellence, so yes the average person is way more abhorrent and insane than that guy seems to understand.
>30 degrees>the ink behaves entirely differently than on normal daysVery concerning.
>>7685161stfu whiny bitch
Worst shipping story I had was when I shipped a painting to the US and they had it marked as "delivered". After a month of detective work we found out that the delivery guy yeeted the painting shipping behind a random wall. It had rained but thankfully my overly careful packaging resulted in no damages to the painting. Still a horrible shipping adventure all in all.
I was plein airing and minding my own business when suddenly a couple dared to approach and asked me if I can do a portrait. We agreed to meet next weekend.Little do they know I am an amateur. Well, they know, because I told them. But they wouldn't learn!So this is my fortunate predicament. A nice learning opportunity. But now I am worried: how would I approach it? I have about 2 weeks full time experience in traditional portraiture, quite a bit more in digital. About 1000 hours of fundies.Any books or youtube videos you'd recommend? Techniques? Maybe images of half finished portraits that give me an idea of how to approach this black magic?I'd be most grateful for any pointers.
>>7685510image not mine, btw.It's not quite that hopeless yet!
>>7685510SOVL
>>7685510>We agreed to meet next weekend.You're going to end up in their rape dungeon, you know that?
>>7685542I'll bring a sharpening knife.I also suggested a photo studio of a friend, to get some dramatic light. One reason more to pick that option
>>7685302>one package for instance had a forklift at some point go directly through the box, puncturing every single of the 6 paintings in the box except for onewhat happened? does the courier pay for them?
>>7685556i refund them 5 paintings, mind you i was selling things at such low prices, and producing so much artwork, im almost positive the refund ended up being around $120. could have been much much worse. in general the post office the past two years has been a bit careless compared to my prior experiences.
>>7685585>the refund ended up being around $120what the hellOkay, but then again, my very first sale was 150 bucks for 4 small paintings. Which I sold at a music festival and I ended up going home with more money than I had started out.
>>7685585so what, some nigger can just drive a forklift through your stuff and it's an act of god? they don't pay up?
>>7683273Well, from the research I've done I've found that the formula is generally $250ish per sqft and an additional $5 per piece of glass, though that can vary depending on glass type and intricacies of the cuts plus any painting. My piece I think will have about 81ish pieces, which is $405 and it's a bit larger than 1sqft so that's an additional $250 (though probably more since I'm only counting her finished body). I'm not counting the painting for the face details and such, but on the low side, it'd have to be at least $655 for the piece. I think that's a bit too bonkers for someone to pay. Perhaps I could go into furry stained glass commissions. I bet that's an under-serviced market lmao
>>7685609yes
should i learn to sharpen + sand my pencils or get a two-point pencil sharpener?i've been using pic related recently and also have one of those regular cylinder staedtler sharpeners but i find they never give me a satisfactory point
>>7685634>I think that's a bit too bonkers for someone to payFor someone who wants what you've got, the price to have it is the price to pay. Or they simply don't get to have it. Custom stained glass windows aren't for people who shop at dollar general. You've got to think about who your market actually is. I'd pay that price if I could think of something I'd like done in that style. I'd probably even pay a bit more than that. I hope you're factoring in your time and not just the materials.
>>7685585>5 paintings for 120 dollarsWere you making oil painting sales in an exclusive deal with fiver? That's unbelievably low.Can we see an example of the type of work?
Next up on catto man's schedule is at least seven more ugly animals in fancy art deco frames. The first step is done. I'll draw the silly bird portrait tomorrow.
>>7680527Always wanted to tried mixing my own powered pigment for oil paint, can't afford it.
>>7685975https://youtu.be/-TTEjbK-YhQ?feature=shared
I paint the blunk
>>7685413that is horrifying. Did you send it via tracked package?
>>7686155Yes, which is why we even had a chance to eventually find it.
I painted a weird gondola in gouache. I'm pretty happy with it. But how can I paint more loosely? like imply detail rather than explicitly draw every little bit? I
>>7686678Isn't "loosely" just a meme, basically? It's something you do once you've reached more proficiency.
>>7684829>Even Brain had reportedly no sells last month, after adjusting his prices due to inflation.i dont take stuff like that as indications of the market as a whole, i take it as an indication that my art isnt of a quality to sell at the prices i want. luckily with art youre not locked into a single type of product, and you can constantly improve it, if i were selling prints or dropshipping things those factors would be important, but for me it's really just about making better art. i trust that if the art is good the art sells, and if the art isnt selling the art isnt good so i need to make it better.
Stopping here for today. I don't know if I can get this to a point where I am somewhat satisfied, right now I want to set it on fire. Also I hate chihuahuas.
>>7686748v nice anonhow long have you been working on that?
>>7686748Yes! More of this! Nicely modeled. Are you going to do another layer on top? Because everything is quite transparent, isn't it?
>>7686748CUTECUUTEE!!!
>>7686704> an indication that my art isnt of a quality
>>7686748That's very good. I remember you, you were the guy paying that insta aunt for classes.Your biggest problem right now are hard edges, they are all smudged. If you added some hard and defined edges, it would elevate your art.This anon is right as well >>7686767Not the biggest problem, but its unnecessary transparent for alla prima.It looks like you scoop not enough paint and that your brush is too hard for this stage.What is your technique to build up paint? You could rather do an underpainting, so the transparent color layer has something to interact with, or you could switch later on to a softer brush so the bristles would not scrub too much paint away and show the white ground, like on his left ear.
>>7684225at last I truly see
>>7685161>there’s always some fat fuck walking by who thinks I’m a loser beta, then he has to turn to his 5/10 girlfriend and say “hey u know I think I might start trying guitar again”literally me.I for one had only nice encounters whenever painting outside. Especially children and older men are a joy talking to. Some bad experiences with fat women. Patterns and all.
>>7686916It's called underground culture, bro. You can just like, build one and no one can stop you. Fuck supplicating to these financial cults. Do something because you genuinely believe in it instead of trying to suck off other people for wealth and pandering to retards.I guarantee that even though it may take more TIME than you'd like and you may be more BROKE than you're comfortable with, if you're building something that's true to you, you wont even care and an audience will form. At least until it get's too big, gets codified and the commodified and sold as an aesthetic that no longer even matches the original intention at hot topic. But by then you'll have made your money and retired to a nice quiet place in Japan or something so some new kid with a dream can start the cycle all over again.You people need to stop jerking off(I'm projecting but it's probably accurate) and develop a spine and a sense of rebellious gusto.
>>7686956pic related
>>7685817Today I spent doing lots of birb stoodies and then I felt ready to start tackling this dumb creature
>>7686956If you’re not “famous” and “a sell out” by 30 it’s not going to happen. Fame is for the young and the beautiful. Don’t hedge your bets on anything other than working in obscurity and dying in obscurity, just make the money you can to get from here to the grave.
>>7686766Thank you anon. A few hours, I'm pretty slow and my surface was working against me. I have a few of these jackson's panels to use up before I'll switch back to my preferred brand but these are extremely smooth so the initial layer of paint lifts back up with every new stroke. Pretty annoying. >>7686767Yes, it definitely needs more and thicker paint and I need to get into the lighter values to develop the forms better. But like I said, the surface I'm working on is really working against me. Once it dried a bit it gets easier to work on because the paint has something to grab on to. >>7686782Y- you too.>>7686821Yep, all valid points and you are very right, but see my explanation. I am hoping to put on a thicker layer today, the only upside to my problem is that it should dry a lot quicker. The type of brush didn't matter, both synthetics and real sable lifted more paint than they left, I tried my entire brush arsenal. It's really the panel.
>>7687041What bird is that?
>try to do black and white photo study>it's horrendousdo i need to do a painting study instead of a photo study to learn better?
I started doing needle felting, I’ve been getting into making 3d models of ocs after I made a roughly 2 1/2 foot model of an oc
>>7687405Neat! I've dabbled with it myself but it's kind of a pain in the ass to get all the wool and stuff.
Worked a bit more on it. It's over 30 degrees Celsius here now so I'm done for today.
So, I am making a new sticker design, this cutesy, cartoony tombstone. But I am struggling to decide what to put on it.Something stupid, normie-accessible, and giggle-worthy like: 'FML', 'BRB', or 'OOF'.Maybe simething else, but can't decide.
>>7687661Cute! Is it gouache? I like your suggestions, maybe YOLO works too but may also be outdated. I dunno what the kids use these days.
>>7687500I love it anon, I hope u had a very good day, over here we're at 35-40ºC so I fell u bro
Oh yeah we'll also have 35 degrees here for the next couple of days. Anything I need to know about oils at this temperature?
>>7687804Not really. Shit tends to dry a bit quicker in warm temps but it's still oils. Only thing I can think of otherwise is that you have to be more careful with leaving oil-soaked rags crumpled in the heat because fire hazard but just don't get your rags to a soaked state in the first place. No one needs to use that much oil imo.
Oil is the best medium for the summer, you have no skin contact to subtract, drying time is differing not by much.Way worse is paintin/drawing on paper or digital.>>7687804Somewhat faster drying time.
>>7686748Are you still doing the course or are you just really into dogs?
>>7687722Thanks!Yeah it's gouache. Trying something that looks less story-book in style and more akin to old rubberhose cartoons. Not sure if YOLO might fit, it was cringe and overused even when it was relevant sadly. But really appreciate the suggestion, wasn't a bad one.
>>7687477Most of my supplies were my moms from when she went to art school, but I hate how long the felting takes I’m just trying to get the body finished so I can get to the fun part, sewing
>>7687041Another one done. 2/8 (probably)Tomorrow it's back to oil painting.
>>7680527What's the best way to "clear coat" a drawing that's mean to be handled? I'm hand drawing bookmarks, but it don't think leaving them exposed would be good.I remember my art teacher saying people used harispray, but also something about a layer of watered down glue? I even thought about using a spray can of clearcoat for cars. But I never did this before so any recommendations would be welcome.
>>7688329Bookmarks I'd laminate
>>7688281Wonderful
>>7686748Great work so far! Keep us updated
>>7687500what canvas size you using? looking great
>>7688329>harispraythis could work but it could ruin your drawing, it really depends on the hairspray. This is the cheap version of pic related, which is what you should do (could be any brand, but artist fixative is what you want). Spray from about an arm's length, two or three coats, and you should be fine.
>>7687365try putting the photo in a 'cutout' filter or similar to simplify the shapes and group the values for you. this can help point out what went wrong when you tried to simplify all the details in the photo. or like you said, studying from a painting can be good as well. since the artist has already simplified it for you. just don't rely on it too much because we want to develop the skills to do this ourselves.https://www.proko.com/values
What if i frame my painting with graphical elements on the canvas, would it be considered postmodern?
>>7687500It looks so good!!
>>7688824looks like 70s trippy concept art for some scifi table top
>>7688819>>7688820>>7688824These are great
>>7687661I decided on this for the text.Not sure how I feel about it.Of course, this is just a rough before I actually render the text nicely.
>>7689207Whoops. Forgot the picture.
I wanna start learning how to draw faces, can anyone suggest a basic bitch guide that they likedI just need to learn lips noses ears I feel like I'm ok in everything else
>>7689507Marco Bucci's painting and understanding the head
>>7688381noted! I'm looking at these small, cheap ones they have for home use. Might pick one up, just to have it.>>7688627That's what I was worried about, especially since I/m mostly working with inks. I'll look into that too though because I really just want a glossy coat over it, if possible. Just to simulate printing on glossy paper, which I don't think my printer cando.
Life is unfair bros. I produce my best work with a parallel pen, but i cant publish my work, cos all the normis will accuse me of tracing Ashley Wood. Cos he is the only one in the mainstream whos main instrument is a parallel pen.Stupid assholes, its not like he invented the damn thing or something. But the npcs are way too stupid to understand...
I'm moving soon so this is as far as I can get with her for the foreseeable future. I did a number of tests with painting her eyes/face but my painting skills leave a lot to be desired so I decided to just leave her face blank for the moment, though I do intend to actually have something there someday
>>7688662ok, thank you i'll give it a shot.
Birthday vent painting
Drawing with black markers cuz i hate colouring
>>7691067
help me pick supplies, /trad/.I like to hike for days, now it's time that two of my great hobbies merge and I go Casper D. Friedrichpilled. I need supplies that have great impact for little pack load and volume. Colouring is mandatory.
>>7691095Watercolours, obviously. Look into what gear the urban sketchers like.
>>7691095you can't go smaller than watercolor cakes and a water brush granted, water brushes are SHIT for unironic casuals, but that's as compact as it gets
>>7681077Gonna make an Umineko piece myself somedayKeep at it, post when finished!
>>7691095Watercolor maxxing is your only choice, but for dry media, charcoal works well, pencil probably better (5B or 3B, bolder graphite will probably break too often for it to be good) and you probably already have a knife and sandpaper to properly sharpen pencils which is even better.I’d personally take lighter weight paper.
>>7691551>I’d personally take lighter weight paper.This, if you're doing the typical pen and wash urban sketching thing, you can get away with nonsized lightweight paper, even toilet paper will take a wash layer.
>>7691095Sharpie S-gel 0.7 pens. The blacks are wonderful
>>7690014Fuck them, post anyway. Nothing new under the sun and so on, post them here I want to see!
>>7691881
>>7692631Very cool anon. I think this could be even better if you can broaden your value range a bit more.
>>7692637thanks! it's darker irl but the phone makes it attenuated
>>7692617I doubt anyone is going to care about the similarities. Ashley Wood doesn't own that style, and it's really just a poor imitation of the Yoji Shinkawa style with non japanese tools. (pen vs brush) You should just have fun and not worry about such silly things. Maybe add some water color washes for interest.
>>7692890You are like, dont worry, nobody will bully you for a similar style and in the next sentence you bully Ash for similarities in his style...
>>7692945
>>7692927The part you're missing is that Ashley Wood was being paid to imitate that style for the metal gear series. He's not some kid trying to figure out his identity, he's an established artist being paid to match artstyle for a brand. He normally works in oil paints and sells them for the thousands, and also somehow designs expensive designer toys?I cant bully that man, he's standing on a mountain I cant even reach. You need to learn to value people's opinions on different levels. Some twitter random's opinion shouldn't have the same value to you as a modern living master. People genuinely believe the dumbest shit imaginable, don't let them stop you from doing as you like.
>>7692648Hi Anon, very nice drawing, How long it takes you to achieve it and what tool did you use ? Thank you for sharing
I finally finished, my head hurts a lot, god painting makes me use the 100% of my head concentration and even more in summer days, cuz I'm paintign with acrylic and this shit dries so fastHere's Beatrice from Umineko made for my brother in honour of his defunct wife.
>>7693451even though its very thinly applied i think the texture is actually good. im not going to say too much about the g word, BUT in terms of texture, he also applied paint very thin, and i see similar movements in the arm of the chair, and overall value scale in big g's work. if u want to find ways to get more color, explicitly color, into your work which wouldnt be a terrible thing, looking at Degas, Gauguin, and Ingres couldnt hurt. looks great! good job
>>7690968happy birthday
Just finished this oil painting today
>>7693715Take a pic of it sitting on your easel or whatever if this is truly oil. We don’t like being lied to around these parts.
>>7693715lol wut, that's digital and it's from March. 1/10 trolling
>>7693124I cant quite follow you.
Is it gay to paint your nails?https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qII_ke11cnc
>>7693846I don't know. But it's very gay to care.
>>7693863> But it's very gay to care.How comes?
>>7693330a few hours per day for a week, maybe 15-16 hours. i used a mechanical 0.7 pencil and a soft pencil from a brand called colorino
Eye irritation from chalk pastels, this is why I don’t do them all the time
>>7694072Weak jeans, sweetie.
>>7694072Suffer Brian
>it's a "cleaning up the scans in an image editing program" dayHow can digitoids do this shit all day long? This is suffering.Captcha: vMADk
>>7693846yes>>7693863true. I think to myself "what a gay, soft twat" and forget about it.
>>7693451How much would you charge for her? I'm thinking about making an seacat stained glass piece next and she'd go great with it
Would it be considered plagiarism if I take someone’s black and white pic, modify the composition slightly but then paint it in color? I would be making up the color on my own, so there’s no copy there.
>>7695001You should credit the original artist. You're basically coloring a drawing after some slight adjustments.
>>7695041Though if it's just a picture someone took, then I wouldn't consider it plagiarism. Just using reference.
>>7695051yeah, it's a picture. So I should credit it as reference? What if I add more characters or elements not present in the picture?
>>7695093stop acting like a nigger
>>7680821yes it is trad. very cool. it requires actual skill and effort so i would think you have a good opportunity for making some money at least to finance the things you want to make for yourself.
If I'm applying to juried art shows is it okay to include works Ive done based off of random photos on instagram that I don't have the rights to? I'm starting to think that I just just being doing those as studies in a gesso'd sketchbook instead of on canvas.
I love color pencils but my biggest issue is how time consuming it is to just lay it on the paper so I've been thinking on getting alcohol markers, my question is how saturated they should be if my intention is only to lay base colors and then pencils ontop
>>7691067>>7691068This looks fun. Maybe I will try doing something similar. I went from drawing most days and loving it to a howie desperate to learn how to enjoy drawing again.
>>7695093Nah not if it's a picture. I though you meant you were basically colouring an ink drawing. But if you're unsure or feel uneasy, then sure no harm. Plus by tagging the creator, if they have an account, you might suck up some of their fans?
>>7696081You can use watercolor. But you cant use them on any paper. For thin paper alcohol based dyes are better.I cant recommend markers, you could buy alcohol based ink and do washes with a brush
>>7694819dunno man,I would go for minumum 400-500€ cuz it took so much time to make it, and it is not "that" original, if it were original i would charge a little bit more.That ushiromiya eagle looks so good by the way
im practicing flowers, and stuffim using ecoline ink/those ecoline markers with water>>7697188>But you cant use them on any paperwhat paper would you suggest someone uses for watercolor?
>>7698755wrong file...
>>7698755> what paper would you suggest someone uses for watercolor?It depends on what your goals are. If need many washes, definitely 100% cotton. If you need only 1-2 washes, to color a drawing, i would choose something that is primary designed for ink or whatever you're drawing with.
What type of binding do you guys prefer on your sketchbooks? I feel like the spiral ones always break.
>>7698781im kinda going for sumi-e style paintings, im gonna look into the cotton thing tho
>>7698787Just shell out for a moleskin, they have like 96 (triple what you'd get in a standard sketchbook, yeah?) pages and Ive never seen one coming apart even with people doing gesso'd oil paintings in them. So they have to be well worth the price.
>>7698787Moleskine is fine but I found Bindewerk handmade sketchbooks even better. Metal edge hardcovers for extra swag
>>7698973How do you even stumble across things like that? I'm eyeing up that all black sketchbook right now
I spent three days cleaning up this scan because I might do art prints. It was soul-crushing work. I'm meant to put pen on paper and not erase pixels on a screen. The large version is 7000 pixels high.>>7699022A /pro/ art friendo of mine recommended it and I've been spreading the word ever since. The pages are even more durable than a moleskine's.
>>7696081you could use pan pastels then color pencil over top
Is acrylic a meme paint? I rarely see pros use it and it doesn't really get discussed much here. I was given a bunch of tubes a while back but I never got around to using them. The only thing I know about it is that it dries fast and permanent, which honestly sounds like a pain in the ass.
>>7699296> I spent three days cleaning up this scan Im not sure what the plan was.1 it doesn't look like a scan, you killed all the texture in the white and black fields.2 in 3 days you could draw it from scratch in photoshop>>7699687> Is acrylic a meme paint?Yes, 100%.
>>7699697>Im not sure what the plan was.>it doesn't look like a scan>you killed all the texture in the white and black fieldsYes, that was the exact plan for the digitalized version. The original piece has all the texture (mainly dust particles and accidentally ruined paper surface). An art print doesn't need it.
>>7699687Only notable artist I've seen that uses acrylic is Basil Gogos. It's great if you like to do alot of layers quickly because of fast dry you can basically use it like photoshop instead of having to work around dry time. The downside is that it drys quickly so you can take advantage of blending. You can make cool "chunky" stuff like pic related
Have a few of those Strathmore 400 series toned sketchbooks on the way. Anyone know how well they handle gouache? I don't expect to do full paintings in them but a few layers would be nice.
>>7699687It's definitely used by pros / fine art painters. I see it in galleries all the time.It's a pain in the ass to use because of fast drying time and because it changes hue when dried which makes it - despite its cheap cost - not a beginner medium.
>>7700044Personally, I think acrylic is a fine medium for doing quick(ish) color sketches.
Hitting a nerve lately; slowing down a lot and producing less, honestly just doing less
>>7700328I like the bottom left. If you fleshed it out a bit more and added more atmosphere to the room (shadows creeping in from the corners) then it could be great.
>>7680821Very based
>>7699687It's a flexible medium that has been used by great illustrators throughout the decades (Frank Kelly Freas, Emshwiller, Richard Powers, etc.) but we might say there's some snobish prejudice about it, so it certainly isn't as "prestigious" as oils.
The art supplies thread is gone, so I'll post today's haul here.
>>7693451love this. blog? love how you rendered the bracelet and clothing.the only thing i would say is that the shadow shapes and reflected light on the right arm need to be more defined and shapely. you put a really strong light on her hair and added a lot of detail there. this means that the rest of the painting should have a bit more of that strong highlight where appropriate (is it an overhead light?) and the casted shadow of the right (from viewer's perspective) arm should be more defined too both to guide the viewer's eye and to unify the shadows (and to also clarify the direction of the highlight on the hair; if it's an overhead light, it should be slightly more visible where appropriate on the breasts and clavicle, even the bottom left corner of the pillow that seems to be facing the viewer) i'd also recommend adding a bit more detailing to match the hair at different parts of the painting, wherever you want to draw the viewer's attention reallylove the eyes and expression, great job overall
i bought sumi inknow im only hopelesly waiting on a chinese brushany advice is appreciated regarding sumi ink and stuff
>>7701009>>7701009Just draw.
>>7701012okay
>>7694072You have blephritis and your ducts are clogged.
>>7684859Use lead white instead of titanium next time.
>>7701069how2smuggle lead white into Europe?
>>7701095Europe is a meme country
>>7702165Answer the question.
>>7702176Sure, glowie, i will.
I painted a nature spirit of some sort. Really enjoying using gouache on top of a watercolour background. I think her face is bit wonky, crooked nose but it was very fun. Maybe her tits are too big to be artsy and it's little porny instead?Any thoughts?>>7700703Those are some cute little books! are you going to do little sketches in them or do you have some project planned?>>7700328i like the bottom left a lot! Very nice muted colours. >>7699296It's very clean now certainly. Did you do it all manually? Photoshop has a lot of tools to clean up pictures that doesn't entail a brush. I like the little portable wall. >>7693451This is really great!Love the way you did her clothes and hair.
>>7702676wood
This is probably a difficult question to answer, but I'll shoot anyway. I love Paul Bonner's work with watercolor and can stare at his paintings all day. His ability to create such life-like work just hypnotizes me. I feel like I can reach out and touch his characters. I know there has to be an element of glazing/layering going on with his technique/process. Is there any place I can learn to work towards painting things like he does? Most if not all other watercolor artists I see don't come anywhere close to the complexity of texture and detail that his stuff has, so it wouldn't surprise me if there is an element of mixed media in here as well.
>>7702841The qulity of the scan is low. But im quite sure its not pure watercolor, there is a lot bry drushing with a light color over dark elements, thats not really possible without white. Hu must have used gouache at least for the top layers.If i had to paint something like this, i would use oil.>>7702676Not bad. The background is lacking depth though.
>>7702889Interesting. Yeah, oil seems like the go-to. I love using oil paints, but I don't have a dedicated space I can use them in that isn't also where I sleep or eat.
when are you gonna win some awards anon?
>>7702933You can use oil 100% safely in your bedroom as long as you don't use any solvents. Linseed oil without any additives (or any other oils i.e. safflower, walnut, etc) is not harmful. There is a smell to linseed oil though but I do not think it is an obnoxious smell and certainly not a chemical one. The fumes thing only applies to solvents. I get really sick of people just screeching something they think they know without doing proper research. So, go on, paint with oils all you want in your living spaces, just don't use turps or OMS or similar stuff.
>>7702957I appreciate the advice. To clarify, I live with 6 people, so the only room I have available to paint in is where I sleep. I've tried painting in my laundry room ages ago and the odor from the paints themselves linger enough for me to not want my whole bedroom smelling of oil paints 24/7.
>>7702933> but I don't have a dedicated spaceI mane, you hit a sore spot. I lost my studio, at least for a while. Right now im living in 1 room, where my bed and pc station are. I thought i can use watercolor for a while, but thats not it. Oil is my main medium.I already painted in this room a while ago.I found a solvent free medium a while back, that i relly like. Back in the day i used liquin and liquin impasto, its fine but it has some stinky stuff in it.Pic realted is really solvent free.When i only paint small formats, use linseed oil for cleaning and this medium for painting, i should be okey.Well see.I think the only danger are the rags full of oil, that could self combust.
>>7702974Weird. Oil paints without any solvents just smell vaguely of linseed oil. I don't find it an offensive scent at all and I have a very sharp sense of smell. Different strokes, then.
>>7703057True, i think the smell of pure acrylic paint is worse.
>>7702676>Any thoughts?I think the brushwork you used on the leaves could use some work. The strokes you used works for trees when they're further away but not in a closeup like you did there. You're probably better off painting individual leaves here.>are you going to do little sketches in them or do you have some project planned?I'm currently on my second lil book of lil guys. Now that I've more lil books I have some other silly little things I want to draw in them. Work like this doesn't really translate into sellable artwork but - unfortunately - it's a lot of fun. And at the end you have a cute book with handmade illustrations.>Photoshop has a lot of tools to clean up pictures that doesn't entail a brush. I abandoned Photoshop for GIMP. I lower saturation and then enhance the scan with the "level" menu and then remove all the dust, scratched paper parts, scanner errors, and human errors manually.
>>7703091> Work like this doesn't really translate into sellable artwork butCopic on paper probably not. But i see a lot of similar, lets call it pop art stuff on instagram. Most of the time its acrylics on canvas, or even oil. I never investigated this aspect, but im quite sure you could sell them. No to boomers obviously, but millennials like such graffiti inspired stuff.
>>7703106>Copic on paper probably not.It's more the fact that it's a tiny book of whimsical illustrations (not all good). And it's basically impossible to scan without destroying. Very unwieldy. But with the little slipcase it motivates me more to fill them all. I guess it's just another thing I leave behind once I'm dead. I was born to be posthumous.
>>7703114Getcha.I always liked the idea, of producing sketchbooks, that can be published entirely as a book, like Kim Yung Gi did annually. But im not good enough, not productive enough, not consistent enough and not popular enough. Some day maybe.
>>7703114On the other hand, people wanted to buy another lil handmade book of mine. I was ready to part with it but not for under 200 bucks which seemed to be too much.
>>7703117Did he publish his sketchbooks fully and as-is or were the illustrations chosen from among his sketches that year?
>>7703124> his sketchbooks fullyNo, other people do, they translate one sketchbook to one book. But KJG published everything he produced over the year. His friend was his manager or publisher. And he collected all his work, some drawings were done on napkins, pizza boxes and other stuff.
>>7702889Thanks! how would I have gotten more depth? maybe more detail on the second closest tree so there's more of a sense of, well, depth.>>7703091True. The leaves are maybe too lacking in definition. >Unfortunately. As long as it's enjoyable to you I think you should do it, unless you're in dire economic straits and rely on selling art to survive. And I'm sure someone would want to but it. I got an offer on my spriggan, though the guy stopped responding. I wonder what price it should be set at. It's the size of an A4 paper. It's a fun idea, though I feel they could use a bit more shading.
>>7703021Looks like some pretty interesting stuff. I hope it works out for you. Nothing you described seems to suggest anything dangerous, I guess except for the rag management.>>7703057>>7703062Yeah, I find acrylics and such don't bother me as much. It's likely because of the faster curing time. If I take a break away from it for a few days, it's all dry and I don't notice the smell.
>>7700036Sketchbooks came. Paper's definitely on the thinner side. Lovely toned color (got gray and tan) but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing more than 2 or 3 layers of gouache. Now I can't decide if I want to fill 1 at a time or dedicate each to specific content...
>>7703174I used to wonder like that too. That's the reason I basically only use loose leaf paper now. Except plein air stuff where a sketchbook is handy. You can always bind papers together afterwards with clips. I'd say just start painting in one, don't overthink minutiae.
>>7702841>>7702889I don’t actually see a need for this to be anything other than watercolor. It’s just going to be way, way more tedious than you think. There’s people out there spending an hour on a pebble. Also, what do I think of this one? Buildings are super hard
>>7703673> Also, what do I think of this one?You need to control your values more, the contrast is way too much. You can turn the screen of your phone black and white. And while drawing you can open the camera app and see your painting live in black and white. Should help you to avoid the biggest mistakes. Overtime you need to train your eye to see value without help of course.> I don’t actually see a need for this to be anything other than watercolor. For a study, maybe. But wen actually do imaginative realism you need a medium thats very flexible, for all the corrections and changes. Which watercolor is not.
>>7704074Most of the hatching works against the sense of speed and direction.
>>7704084i have to hatch lower left to upper right because i,m right handed. and the original gives the impression of slow moving background
>>7702841that's not anything special, it's just a downscaled digital image of a big paintingif you go to a museum and look at pieces by dedicated aquarellists, they're far more lifelike, they're just bigyou're not seeing many people do that because 99.9% of watercolor is done by hobbyists and they're not gonna pay 15 euros a piece for 56X76 640gsm cotton paper to paint on
>>7704233Retard
>>7706043He's 100% right, thoughbeit
>>7706049Youre a low iq animal monkey> downscaled digital image of a big painting
>>7706070Yea, retard, at 1:1 you'd have pixels the size of quarters, there's a reason downscaling was standard in reproduction, it makes everything look more detailed. The comic industry art quality went to shit overnight when they switched to 1:1 formats. Are you ESL or what?
>>7706076> Yea, retard, at 1:1 you'd have pixels the size of quarters
>>7706098ESL
>>7706043>>7706070>>7706098I see you're struggling to find something to shitpost about after getting embarrassed at realizing you didn't know what postmodernism was all along, gypsy hang in there, you'll get over it
>>7706103pyw
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>>7706153Nice, i take my criticism back.
>>7706153 Is this the new merc_wip.jpg?
