Reminder that under the pagan Greeks and Romans, bronze sculpture flourished, producing masterpieces such as the Equestrian Aurelius.Immediately after the Christians took control, they deliberately destroyed all art, considering it to be sinful. For the next 1000 years art and bronze sculpture in particular resembled nothing more than low relief blobs.It was not until Cellini in the renaissance that sculpture finally returned to the level of artistic skill of the pagan Greeks and Romans. And while he may have been a Christian, what did he chose to sculpt? Not Jesus... but Perseus. A pagan figure.
>>7680563ok thanks
>>7680563my study of the sculpture
>>7680569nice painting mr sargent
>>7680563>>>/pol/ is that way, kike
>>7680563Why would Perseus go naked to decapitate Medusa?
>>7680866Perseus was a god, gods do not wear clothes.
>>7680866Greeks always get naked when women aren't around
>>7680870Perseus wasn't a god in Greek mythology, what the hell are you talking about?
buth christians built big cathedrals and cool churches and stuffAt least they're better than muslims
>>7680866>>7680870The clothes are either filled with gold or the fabric was stripped away by the weather. Most Greek sculptures were painted and very likely clothed, but the idiots saw it as degenerates art. And came up with the term pornography to hide those art from men in the secret museum. Foolish to divide pagan from Christianity. They are one in the same, its the retards who try to use the word of God to prosecute others. Or pagan think they are special and want to be different from Christianity. Jesus say love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. You think anyone of those faggot followed the word of God?
>>7680569Looks awesome
>OP does not know of the Migration Period.Bold of you to speak on this topic.
>>7680563For a second I thought I clicked on /pol/ and not /ic/
>>7680569>my study of the sculpturedamnsargent is still aliveyou massive faggot
>>7680563>((((christians)))) celebrating the winter solstice lol yeah right dude. Pagans just rebranded to what was fashionable.
>>7684953maybe he owns the original
>>7680563What's your point? Christianity gave us Michelangelo, Raphael, Shakespeare, Bach, Beethoven, gothic cathedrals, the Age of Enlightenment, individual rights and so much more. I love the art of antiquity, too, of course. I don't think anyone ever surpassed the Greeks at depicting the idealized human figure.
>>7680866perse :DDD
>Neopagan from /pol/ has little to no knowledge of art history, let alone art in generalMany such cases...
>>7684980YO IS THAT MY FAVOURITE JEWISH CARPENTER?PRAISE YHWHhow about all of you retards keep your religious nonsense of all kinds on /pol/ and/or /his/
>>7684980tits and ass is more interesting art than endless jesus because tits and ass can be sometimes tits and sometimes ass
>>7684885These were fun to sketch as warmup (although I did fuck up the proportions a bit)
>>7684983>>7684990>Reducing the Son of God to the race he was born asAnd Hitler wasn't Aryan, but you guys don't care about that.
>>7686135nigger
>>7680563I don't give a fucking shit about art history, post your work autistic fuck
>>7680563>what did he chose to sculpt? Not Jesus.friendly reminder that 23 year old michael angelo mogged cellini's entire oeuvre with a jesus sculpture before cellini was born
>>7686135go fuck yourself you schizophrenic desert cultistnow fuck off to your migger thread on /pol/ you fucking tourist
>>7680563>Greek/Roman sculptures weren't en vogue until the Romaboos took overyeah no shit
>>7686387>>7680563to add, its childish to assume that the renaissance interest in classical greek/roman culture is proof of anti-christian sentiment. Cellini, angelo, donatello, probably other sculptors youve posted ITT, have all done sculptures of jesus
>>7686388>>7686365>Can't refute my argument>Retaliate by being racist incel chudsSad, go back to /pol/.
>>7686388>migger?
>>7686486Nta but you didn't post an argument thPost proof to refute OP's point
>>7686413money talks
>>7686574>money talksand what? you think they werent getting paid for their other work?>>7686537>Post proof to refute OP's pointops been quiet since>>7686387>>7686413
>>7686413>>7686387If they were truly christian, they would never have sculpted pagan figures.
>>7681106Cathedrals are all they had that was of any artistic merit, everything else was worse during the medieval period, sculpture, painting, science, law, writing, warfare, mathematics, language, hygeine, etc. There is nothing during the medieval period that the Greeks and Romans did not do better.Perhaps music was better during the medieval period, but we have virtually no record of Greek or Roman music so it's difficult to compare. Only one thing is for certain and that is that they invented music notation.
>>7686391>>7684912>>7680743Post a statue made during the medieval period that is as good or better than the Greeks and Romans, or Cellini's Perseus
>>7686631>if they were truly christian their beliefs would be identical to christians 500 years before themBecause religious practices never change right? i dont have issues with anti christian rhetoric. but i have issues with this retarded caricature of art history
>>7686670Creating statues of pagan characters is pretty fucking unchristian
>>7686676the amount of time between cellini and paganism is considerably greater than the amount of time between us and cellini in his time, you could draw inspiration from ancient cultures and still be christian. Paganism was 1000 years ago at that point
>>7686696I don't think you understandPaganism is heresy, depicting pagan figures is paganism, it doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not, it's equivelant to making a statue of satan
>>7686718thank god they didnt burn michael angelo at the stake before they let him paint the popes house
>>7686506its better you dont know what these retards talk about.
>>7680569Awesome.
>>7686822Thx mate, it was hard to pain in the crowded museum.
>>7680563>religion bait on /ic/ nowNot exactly anon.You see, the move towards a more non-figurative/symbolic art movement was already apparent in the late 3rd century.I think this is pretty apparent in pieces like the porphyry portrait of the tetrarchs from around 300ad. It's taking on many design features that are typical of early medieval art. See Carolingian or Ottonian work for example. Many carolingian reliefs are shockingly similar to late antique work.This whole concept really misses the point though. We see large monumental free-standing sculpture appear in societies that can support workshops with enough demand to provide work for them to continue operation. Unfortunately for your point, it's much more likely that it was just the fall of the roman empire that caused this and not some christian iconoclasm. Which, might I remind you, is condemned as a heresy.Early christian destruction of pagan works is vastly over-stated. At least partially the fault of very exaggerated hagiographies and christian histories. However historical study suggests that most pagan works were deliberately preserved in museums, but mostly just plain abandoned. With a fall in infrastructure and the ability to upkeep those great ancient workshops, it wasn't economically feasible anymore.Let's also not forget that the new dominant culture was germanic. These cultures did not carry with them a great sculptural tradition. However, germanic peoples were incredibly talented in decorative arts and metalsmithing. Which is exactly the kind of work we see flourishing in the early middle ages, and exactly what we would expect to see from the small workshops that an early medieval society can support.By about the 1200s there is a renewed interest in free-standing sculpture. And high gothic sculpture is absolutely one of my most favorite traditions in all of art. See work by, the Naumburg Master, Giovanni and Nicola Pisano, Bernt Notke, Claus Sluter etc.
>>7680569Here's mine
>>7686718>Paganism is heresyno it isn't. You don't know what heresy means>depicting pagan figures is paganismno it isn't. Nobody thinks this>it doesn't matter whether you believe in it or notyes it does. That makes all the difference in the world. What are you talking about?>it's equivelant to making a statue of satanYou do know that satan is a frequent figure in christian art, no?
>>7687072sexo
>>7686847what do you draw digitally on while on irl trips btw? just curious
>>7687060Nice.>>7687700Its watercolor.
>>7687705oh shit it looks so good that i thought it was done digitally, gj anon i hope you sell your watercolors and make more ppl appreciate physical art
>>7680563He's born poor, he was from people, renaissance bros trained him. People are wilde and when they're trained they are dangerous for gov. They love their children and are proud of what they are doing (this perseus rocks!). Appreciate, it can't be today, america is now responsible for the field and is spreading its empire through third world not for art or mankind but for cultural control. When they control an area they don't give a fuck about the future artists or people inside.
>>7681133You are esl as fuck, my friend, but based none the less.
>>7692032>eslNot only anon, it's late here and I've been rejected by the international bourgeoisie well hided behind their aristocratics minions once more today. No matter if we reach or overcome their standards, they schift their way to select, or keep ignoring you until you do it. Lesson from a 10 years journey. From the wildest place of the pretty country: my small black pegasus will spread their dark wings, for a brighter future, far from neoliberalism and its antifamily norms, promoted by irresponsible women and vicious rich men. They will never be touched by the pure hands, they will stay in the monster's belly, born by themselves. Hail Cellini! Hail pegasus the fruit of its parents! Hail to the old tmnt! Hail to the sun.
the hair is way too fucking complicated its driving me nuts. but i cant concentrate either and i have yet to do fucking medusa, by that point i will have ended my sorry existence.
>>7680563Ok and? Christ is King.
>>7686676Nigger Christians can make whatever we want. You obviously know nothing about Christianity. The Greek Mythology is cool.
>>7680563Christcucks were fucking puritans, while chad Romans worshipped the big dick god Priapus and made sculptures of Pan fucking a goat
>>7686413Jesus was the cute animu girl of their time
>>7699547Christianschads fuck people, while you want to fuck animals, you want to go back in time, damm it, You libercucks are so backward, you sick bastard with syphilis.
>>7699547Furries
I get why you made this post, but it's not going to change what's already been set in motion. You can't fight the algo, you can't fight AI, astroturfing, propaganda. All you can do is preserve who you are. There's a reason that organizations like the illuminati came to exist (no I'm not being edgy). You can't sway the mass opinion when it is so easily and readily controlled. All you can do is be subversive and find like minded individuals. The age of censorship is upon us. Unironically may be enter a dark age if things keep heading this direction, and during the most pivotal time of technological innovation. Sad!
>>7680563Cellini was a Christian and wasn't forced to make religious figures, you're so retarded, the retarded Satanist thinks that being a Christian means making religious figures all the time.
>>7680563And feminists got mad at it anyway.
>>7680563>succesful bait thread>10/10 Artist was born in Christian Florence 1500 lolhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benvenuto_Cellini
>>7699872also the fact that the statue was commissioned by Cosimo I de' Medici. A ruler of Florence and later Tuscany who was of course a Catholic. Also happened to be the guy who built the Uffizi, which was kind of a cool detail.
>>7680563Decline of the arts in the late roman empire has more to do with the decline of the empire itself. Cities were in decline and all the wealthy patrons fled to country estates, where there is little incentive to impress the rabble. Christians iconoclasm was a factor but only a minor one. And a lot of the arts still flourished in the eastern roman empire under christian rule for centuries.
>>7681020The guy in the back getting hit in the balls with a stick
>>7707236Thats true but in terms of artistic ability the ancient world was undoubtedly better than the medieval one. By Pax Romana we are getting 2D art that looks quite lifelike and this is without any oil paint. To clarify Medieval art isn't bad or lacking in any sort of techniques, some of it is really beautiful. But its all just stylized religious art and nothing more.
>>7684968>Michelangelo, RaphaelThe renaissance is the revival of pagan art and ideals. Their subjects were christian because it's where the money came from, but Michelangelo and Rapahel were apprentices of the pagans of classical antiquity and paid homage to them whenever they could.>ShakespeareShakespeare would have been Shakespeare with or without christianity.>the Age of Enlightenment, individual rightsAll things that stem from hellenic politics and philosophy, not from christianity.
>>7707374You may want to look up Shakespeare's last will and testament
>>7680569I really like this, it captures the sculpture well
