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I'll start with Birdie.

LOOK AT THIS SHIT.

LOOK AT IT.

It needs no explanation.

>>7688669
I don't understand how someone so young isn't able to improve their art at all in the span of 8 years. Heck, I improve a lot in just a few months. Now, 8 years!? How can you not be embarrassed to be 21, drawing for YEARS, and still have nEVER improved!!

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>>7688669

Where do I even fucking start.....

Okay. Let's start with the lines.

MAJOR CRITIQUE 1) SHITTY LINES

This drawing, as well as all of Birdie's other SHIT has absolutely NO FUCKING SENSE OF LINE WEIGHT. Speaking of line weight, The outlines are way too FUCKING THICK. And of course she gets the fucking collar bone wrong. *sigh*

That leads us into....

MAJOR CRITIQUE 2) ANATOMY

<<OH. MY. SWEET. FUCKING. LORD. UP. IN. HEAVEN.>> THE ANATOMY.

How do I begin? Let's start with the eyes. That's the most noticeable. The eyes are literally fucking touching. In real life that shouldn't be fucking even anatomically possible. Worse still, LOOK AT THE FUCKING MOUTH. It extends DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE CHIN. That is genuine RETARDATION.

Also, this hunk of SHIT only features 4 fingers on each hand. Humans have 10 fingers, five on each hand. Not even mentioning Birdie doesn't account AT ALL for the skeletal and muscular structure of the hand.

And are those bat wings coming out of her... waist?

OH MY FUCKING GOD LOOK AT THOSE EARS. Those look like....are you fucking serious? Do I even need to explain it?

The hair has an incredibly noticeable severe lack of detail. Hair in real life is meant to fragment into both clumps and individual strands. Picrel, model Irene Nell.

Do I even need to mention the nails?

MAJOR CRITIQUE 3) SHADING

THE SHADING. WE FINALLY GET TO THE FUCKING SHADING. It's:

1) Too simplistic.

2) Inconsistent.

3) SHIT.

It looks like there are multiple light sources in this image. PICK ONE AND SHADE FROM THERE. This is closer to PILLOW SHADING than actual shading.

Not to mention the shading on the hair. Picrel is again relevant for hair.

4) EPILOGUE

I've probably left a LOT out. But I'm too tired to continue writing this, and I have to log in for work in 30mins.

>>7688681
Can't imagine getting this upset over some Roblox deviantart junk unless you relate to it a little too much.

>>7688669
how do people know this artist if their art is that bad

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>>7688666
Art that looks EXACTLY like its reference - basically where the artist acts as a human photocopier.
What was the point? Why not just take an actual photo?

Oh, and it's not a 'style' but a movement, but I fucking LOATH conceptual art. It's pretentious no talent wank.
Everyone has ideas, but art is about having the skill in a craft to execute on that idea in a visually pleasing way. Conceptual art forgoes this to present something that's barely an idea, often having required no work, and showing absolutely zero skill.
Fuck Conceptual art. FUCK IT!
And fuck the hack critics who praised it, and fuck the morons who pretend to be cultured by appreciating it - we all know you don't actually like it, you're not above us, just admit it's shit so we can stop seeing this crap propped up like there's any demand for it (there's none).

>>7688681
Why did you make a thread just to dump an essay about some random twitter kid bruh? Your crit is lacking big time.

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>>7688666
Anime and any other style that draws clear inspiration from it

any cartoon style where the subject is built out of primitive shapes and exaggerated proportions

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her artstyle for all her meme paintings

>>7688799
Matgeek spotted

>>7688810
So all cartoons? Even bugs bunny!?

>>7688681
come on bro it's clearly drawn by a child who cares

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>>7688810
>any cartoon style where the subject is built out of primitive shapes and exaggerated proportions

>>7688822
Come on Simon "Summerfag" Salva. Stop samefagging.

>>7688826
here's a reply that will bump the thread gay nigga

>>7688833
keep bumping the thread mr gay nigga

>no draw thread

>>7688799
Based. Anime ruined two entire generations of humans.

>>7688760
they are a lolcow

>>7688812
based jimmy

>>7688799
>>7688846
i can't believe 4chin has went so full circle in contrarianism that we got normniggers saying this shit here

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I hate the western faux-anime style that's in a lot of cartoons now a days. Picrel is an example but the DMC, Castlevania, and Tomb Raider series that have come out recently are also included

>>7688854
*meant for >>7688836

>>7688856
feels like Totally Spies was the only one that got it right

>>7688856
I can agree with this one, that's definitely always looked ass. Especially in webcomics and indie games, you see it all the time where they're trying to marry weeb influences with like basic art school education and get the worst of both worlds.

I know people like Last Airbender and Code Lyoko and whatever, not here to argue that, but at least modern renditions have all looked super uninspired and boring.

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>>7688666
There's a growing number of "artists" whose works are clearly AI traces. I hate their styles the most.

>>7688870
The Teen Titans and the Castlevania animated series also did it fairly decently - though Teen Titan's goofy chibi(?) moments were a bit too over the top.
There's just something so stiff and ugly about most other examples though.

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>>7688666
Modern comic art.

It's such an unfocussed almagamation of artistic techniques with no direction and looks hideous.
They give everyone the same same-face with the same pouty looking scowl.
They draw way too many lines on the face, making everyone look like they're 50+ years old, especially the women.
Despite being part of a comic, the poses never have anything todo with the story but are just cool action poses of the character looking strong, or if it's a girl, a pinup pose like something straight out of a porn mag.
The colorist has no artistic skill whatsoever and just plasters his dodge and burn airbrush shit all over the linework.
It's so fucking ugly

>>7688921
And yet comics have much more overall cultural impact then slop like manga.

>>7688993
Do they? Manga's sales are better. Media adaption of manga is only becoming more popular (while comics media adaptions are flopping harder and harder), manga and anime are obviously influencing current tastes far more than comics...
So where exactly does your assertion come from? That superman or batman are well known icons? Yeah they are... thanks to the comics from about 70 years ago. Modern comics though...

>>7688993
All thanks to Disney.
No one buys comics anymore

>>7688993
hahahaha no one even knows comics exist anymore

Let's stay on topic.

>>7688999
>Disney
They're getting into webtoons now

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Picrel. This thread is for discussing retarded artstyles you find gross, not getting into autistic flamewars about types of peepeepoopoo.

>>7688921
Broken wrist, derpy eye, monkey chin, CHRIST-mas tree on fire. The whole message is very clear.

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>>7688993
Manga have life-changing works, comics have propaganda slops that teach you to respect muh troonswomen.

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>>7689016
They should just draw them consuming onions and estradiol to make the messaging even more clear. Comics hate you, comics do not want you to be a strong male, neither physically nor mentally nor spiritually. (It's good if you want to fight for our greatest ally tho! :))

>>7689041
The "superhero" RETARDED SHIT. Are americans even aware of HOW FUCKING RETARDED THAT SHIT IS???
What's with the "superhero" SHIT??? What kind of RETARDATION sickness is that? Why is it only affects them???

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Eleeza on instagram.
She is technically very good but I cant stand the lines she puts all over her subjects and they end up looking like theyve got leprosy all for the sake of MUH QUIRKY ARTIST LINES. Looks like shes being doing it less though. Left some comments on her posts maybe it got to her heh

>>7689048
I took strays from this

>>7689048
She's awesome, the scribble lines are her signature. I wouldn't want a piece from her that doesn't have her trademark scribbles.

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>>7689078
Shes been doing it a lot less thank god cause it looks like theyve got some sort of disease. I can still tell it's her work when she doesnt do it.

>>7688993
Western comics (especially the big 2) are in the gutter. They approach each panel like it's a painting or stand alone work instead of two pages READ as a whole. Made even worse by splitting these tasks into writer/penciler/inker/colorist so there's no unified vision. They also avoid any kind of paneling system (unless it's 9 and their deliberately throwing back to the silver age stuff). Their's basically no thought given to the actual act of reading the comic, it's stuck too far into theory about composition, rendering and maybe writing (if your lucky).

>>7689048

>>7689080

It annoys me when people make their art intentionally messy, even if they're like high/int/ or better. I feel you.

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This stupid shit. "omg it looks like a picture!!! Bro I legit thought that was a photo. Ommmg u draw so nice that looks like a photo." You just know the retards that think this is cool believe some guy just decided to draw a balloon animal and he's just so good at drawing it looks realistic. Not a gridded out/traced paint the numbers copy of a picture someone else took. The entire idea of photorealistic art.

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I thought of art I hate even more. This FUCKING guy. Utter garbage trash paintings. Hideous. No technique rushed bullshit. Everything is a stupid pop culture pun or a reference to recent events. No respect to art or technique. Just shit out slop as fast as possible trying to catch the attention of mindless of cattle

>>7689204

>>7689216


Based.

>>7688666
Not really a style but I dislike anime art in general. Somebody put it perfectly by saying “every 21st century beginner artist starts to draw because of it and they all end up having the same bad habits and frequent mistakes.” It’s not so much the art itself, but what the art promotes. A lot of people that draw anime art also frequently dont study real humans because they don’t understand that anime is stylized and you have to know the rules to break them, which I find frustrating, especially seeing mistakes that could simply be solved by just drawing a real human.

>>7689204
This as well. I can’t stand photorealistic art and what it has done to the art community. Sorry that I don’t consider your photorealistic drawing of Walter White in black and white to be creative. The overreliance of photos in general are doing the art community a great disservice if I’m being completely honest

>>7688856
i hate all tranime "styles"

>>7689289
What do you like instead of anime?

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>>7689291
go onto artstation and find the first thing that isn't some big eyed anime freak and I'll probably will be able to at least appreciate it in some way

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>>7689295
>go onto artstation and find the first thing that isn't some big eyed anime freak and I'll probably will be able to at least appreciate it in some way

>>7688993
>le ragebait

>>7689216
See but it's working. He sells this bullshit and has an audience despite using "out dated" tools that "no one cares about"

You may not like this slop, but it's traditional and tells a story that people want to buy. You should be saying to yourself "if he can do it, I can probably take a slice of that pie"

Instead you seethe and grow complacent

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>>7689281

I don't like anime (sh)art either, in fact it fucking sucks. For example, I would like Octoboy's art a lot better if he removed the anime influence -- it definitely has a lot of potential to improve if he did such.

The general "anime" style itself just seems really retarded and clunky, and it irks me that so many artists use it.

It's like everyone's trying to draw fucking anime...not just artists with actual skill..*sigh*

Picrel is a piece of his art from fuckIdon'tknowwhatyear of his OC.

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>>7689317

The tranimu influence in Octoboy's art is the clearest in the faces he draws (see picrel for another example).

>>7688799
based

>>7689308
Why are you quoting out dated and no one cares about. I didn't say either of those things. I work traditionally. Nor did I say he wasn't popular. Its trash art for trash people. Ill be staying far away from that pie

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>>7688669

Another example of this faggot's shitty art.

>>7689204
This is actually the worst one for me, just boring
If they could actually carry over this rendering knowledge to original work instead of jsut doing photocopies I wouldnt even complain
You always see people talking about some stupid african kid that can drew realisticly, yeah its good but boring as fuck just take a photo

>>7689381
The African thing is so accurate. I was noticing that before I had become racist. India is the same. You hear anything anywhere about some talented artist raising money or whatever from either of those countries - 100% phototracing bullshit. And it all has that same hazy airbrush look to it up close. Ask these people to sketch an animal from life and their drawing will look like a 5 year old did it

>>7689455
>I was noticing that before I had become racist

Based as fuck

>Ask these people to sketch an animal from life and their drawing will look like a 5 year old did it

100% true. You don’t develop good drawing skills through photocopying

>>7689381
Nigga how's some african kid gonna afford a camera?

>>7688666
My own.

>>7689301
>i posted le wojack xdddd
Tranny
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>>7688666
I call this the AAA gaming art style where the whole design philosophy is basically "Let's take a bunch of references and mash them all together without changing much!" But try to add POC cultures but in a digestible manner so the most milktoast liberal can feel comfortable. They spend so much time on creating so much detail to end up as an subject that ends up saying nothing. How the fuck can you even do that, adding so much detail only to end up feeling somehow generic?

>>7688666
Men with busty tits.

>>7689806

How the fuck do you retards keep finding my threads?

>>7689813
Being the most nodraw thread on the board helps.

>>7689813
>the wages of being a tripfag

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>>7689491

Then put in the fucking work and change it.

>>7689629
I don't really mind Aloy's design (seriously fuck that name though), but the mecha dinosaur things are atrocious.

>>7689295
Ok retard

>>7688921
>a pinup pose like something straight out of a porn mag.
In better days, maybe. Modern comics don't even do this anymore
>>7688993
The guy you're replying to never said anything about manga, interesting

>>7688669

Why would you watermark this shit? No one would want to steal it.

Simonnnnnn?!!! Where is your art? Who let you go on 4chan again past your bed time!?

>>7689878
>The guy you're replying to never said anything about manga, interesting
I believe this is what they call "rent free"
>>7689889
OH NO NO NO

>>7689889

Please go back to your containment board, you retarded attention seeker.

>>>/b/

>>7689889

You are not my father, you're a /b/tard who breached containment. Additionally, eat shit and die.

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>>7689890
I always hate it when the boy acts up instead of actually drawing...he used to act so so much less cringe ...

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>>7689891
>triptranny calls people attention seekers

>>7689899

Stop shitting up the thread.

Back.

>>>/b/

>>7689902
>stop shitting up my dogshit thread complaining about roblox artists as a talentless attention-whore tripfag

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>>7689904

This thread isn't only for me.

>>7689874
>troonime watching estrogen slurper is butthurt
Go boil some plastic bags while you watch your shonen shit

>>7689999

Based + quads.

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>>7688666
when every face the artist draws has a nose like this.

fucking garbage

>>7690265

Based. Way too many artists do it, and looks just retarded. I think they got it from anime.

>>7688681
>>>/r/eddit

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I don't despise it but I never like the CSR style of art. Something about it makes all the characters look like they have no weight to me.

>>7689629
i was thinking the same about the transformers in the movies. all mechs were just a fucking point cloud with no meaning swirling around.

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>>7689629
I think it's really funny how one of the designers for the robots in Horizon has way more interesting stuff he does for his personal art than any of the things he's done for those games. It really feels like the industry loves to suck the soul out of any design work.

>>7690334
whats csr

>>7690409
CuteSexyRobutts, an artist that does not in any way shape or form draw robots.

>>7690327

Why do you say that?

>>7689339
so just vivziepoop then

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>>7688666

>>7690556

Looks a lot like it.

>>7690557

Based.

>>7689339
I'm gonna be real there is nothing really wrong with their art. they just like making goofy shit and having fun.

Maybe you need to get off the internet for awhile?

>>7690557
kino

>>7690334
Potentially intentional, their work tends to have a hazy dream-like look with low contrast and soft lighting. I'd say in the example you gave the two rear figures have weight, but the foreground figure's lack of squash on the ass and bag she's leaning on is what makes it look like she's hovering.

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this garbage, crazy to think it's a 1:1 copy of a shitty comicbook panel but it sold for millions (along with several other copies). the artist was also a jew so no surprise there.

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This overrated garbage of a show and the pilots art was even worse. Modern cartoons obsessed with diversity but then everyone just looks like a blob.

>>7690557
1000x more soulful than anything OP has ever made

>>7689381
>>7689204
you don't love doing art enough if you don't find value in doing this as an exercise
although the difference between someone who is skilled at art and a phony is they are capable of photorealism but understand its not something worth presenting yourself as

>>7690557
unironically miss this style even though i didn't like it back then

>>7690418
>artist that does not in any way shape or form draw robots
The name came from his first attempt at drawing lewd and it was one of those phantasy stat robots with a fat ass and some commentor said "cute sexy robutts".

>>7692442
>white
>whiter
>deep red
>purple
The 4 races

>>7690418
>artist that does not in any way shape or form draw robots.
He's done work for that one guy's "game" Em8er.

for me its loish
absolutely no artistic value whatsoever

>>7689281
>“every 21st century beginner artist starts to draw because of it and they all end up having the same bad habits and frequent mistakes.”
the mistake is called not having Asian genes
you're just racist

>>7692595
HEY LOISH

>>7688669
Ironically I actually love this weird shit. It's easy enough to polish works to a uniform pinnacle of art, but these types of artists go down weird side branches of styles and creativity and I love it. That and now with AI, hyper rendered and realism style is exhaustive. It makes my eyes bleed in a good way.

>>7688782
people who strongly hold this view always fixate on the most famously "bad" examples while dismissing everything else. If you're not interested in trying to discover examples that you like, your opinion will never change

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>>7688666
Couldn't even sit through a minute of the pilot. All the characters look like annoying, lanky, red and white sticks
>>7692442
As someone who loves colorful works this is an insult to the craft and an absolute eyesore and began the death of animation. The downfall began at Korra.

>>7688681
Thank you ChatGPT, very cool

>>7688782
I'd encourage you to explore why you could be wrong in good faith, for your own benefit. I don't care how shitty all your opinions are, but you're really kneecapping your potential enrichment from art at both ends there.

>>7689281
>people that draw anime art also frequently dont study real humans because they don’t understand that anime is stylized
I despise this way of thinking, anon. If you want to get good at drawing anime, DRAW ANIME. You learn the rules by studying professional japanese artists. Using reference of real humans in order to get a pose or composistion right is fine, but you don't need to learn how to draw realistically first, that's just a meme.

If you're not into anime art in general that's fine, I'm not going to convince you, I just think telling artists they need to draw from real life first before tackling a certain style will just result in a lot of time wasted.

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>>7688666
>>7688669
>>7688681
Reminder that anytime you see this complete and utter faggot OP saying anything, this is who you are dealing with.

https://archive.4plebs.org/s4s/thread/12462570/#12462735

>>7689048
Fuck's that? It's like you have two different drawings on each other.

>>7692575
I looked into that and it was funny
>year X of the dev being a hack
>dev starts to say "I'm making a game with cutesexyrobutts"
>people start to wonder / despair about him being involved
>spot a thread where someone asked CSR and posted screenshots
>"oh yeah i was commissioned to do designs a few years ago for that, nothing else" (paraphrasing)
>CSR either out of the loop of Twitter bullshit, doesn't care, or doesn't feel the need to defend himself publicly
>still takes the time to answer an earnest question
>futher shows that the dev is just desperately clinging on any way they can

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I'll just leave this here... >>7685457

>>7688856
I feel like that's this generation's "90's action cartoon" style. Where comic books once dominated pop culture now anime has a stranglehold and everyone's looking to follow suit

>>7692908
this one for me
im utterly baffled how anyone that isn't a 14 year old girl enjoys watching this hideous shit

>>7693688
>think for sure this is just taken from Tumblr as an easy bait
>only image matches are from that thread
Oh that's unfortunate.

>>7688870
europeans are the only guys outside asia who manages to get the anime style right

>>7693688
You're a whiney bitch lmao

>>7693688
Somewhat related to the thread but where/when did the goat ear thing start? I swear pre-2020 it was rare outside dedicated furry circles and now it's practically mandatory.

>>7693688
Let it go, schizo

>>7694720
Those are supposed to be cat ears drooped down

>>7694732
I guess part of the answer might be "catgirl OC" + "only using other catgirls as references and never looking at an irl cat's ear"

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>>7689629
similar trash here with guild wars loading screens with this lazy sweepy painterly static images for "animated" character storyline shit when you learn about your guy, and it's just lazy screenshot layers interacting with other layers like a fucking popup book. it gets old, and 13 years they're still pooping out this dumb ambiguous "style" everywhere they go...

The 70% of this thread hate the anime style, I don't know about you, but I see this a lot elsewhere. It's like people are getting tired of anime, and that's how the Capeshite rejection started years ago.

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>>7688666
gonna have to go with >>7688810

Cartoons used to look cute, then the 90s hit and whilst there were still cute cartoons, there was also a large admixture of ugliness with shit like rugrats. It's extremely hard to find cartoons made purposefully with "ugliness" that fits well narratively today. Even ugly cartoons back in the 60s - 80s still looks better because it was somehow more soulful with its comedy (pic related)

>>7688666
anime styled shit. I'm looking at wplace and it's all fucking anime. I have anime exhaustion.

>>7688799
it works when the style contrasts the writing material, like The Boondocks or Class of '09
>>7688854
you do know that anime has been mainstream for well over a decade, right?

>>7695681
It really never did. Only a handful of shows ever went mainstream like OPM, no different to what happened with 4kids shows in the 90s/00s

>>7689881
So we know who to blame

>>7695636
That's just your bubble. The fastest thread around here is /beg/ - /int/ and most people there are trying to draw anime.

>>7695670
Deltarune is not anime.

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>>7692878
>>7693056
>people who strongly hold this view always fixate on the most famously "bad" examples
That example is one of the most highly lauded and praised pieces in the movement, as well as one of the most well known to the point it's taught in schools - what better example could I have had? An Oak Tree? R Mutt's Fountain? One and Three Chairs?

>"No no, Conceptual Art is actually great, you just need to research it and look at good examples!"
Secondly, I have seen enough of this type of work to form such an opinion, but if you're so confident conceptual art can be great, show me an example YOU think is exemplary; I'll probably still hate it - I won't be mean about it, I just doubt there's a piece of conceptual art that is so good that it'd shift my views on the movement.

Though I will concede that I likely hate this type of art work because I'm not seeing it in the original context of when it was fresh and unique, and challenging people's perceptions of art - I would have likely found The Fountain to be a fantastic riot had I seen it when it was originally released in that context.
However, I AM seeing these works in the later (modern) context that they're tired, overdone, lazy and hackneyed. They don't challenge anything, they just takes up space that could have been given to something actually worth said space (at the very least).

Thirdly, have either of you thought a subjective opinion that you disagree with doesn't need to be changed? I can hate a type of art, have my valid reasons for doing so, and you can completely disagree with me. It's a wide world guys.
On that note, conceptual art is antithetical to my definition of what art (in part) is; a display of skill. Placing the meaning before the craft is placing the cart before the horse. The Cart and its contents are important, but the horse shouldn't be ignored and neglected for it.

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>>7696239
most famous ≠ most likable
I liked these two works (pic rel + below)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsla5fbzhpw
im more into contemporary art broadly though, not just what might qualify as 'conceptual'

globohomo trash fembrained "style"
south park "style"

>>7696033
deltatrooniggers deserve death

>>7692878
>>7693056
>Buy some shit from K-Mart
>Convince an art museum to display it
>Hurr durr I recontextualised the non-apparent post-consumerism ingrained in 21st century modernist intersectional reformationalist antidisestablishmentarianism anti-quasi-pseudo-sub-culturalism
>If you don't see my genius you're clearly stupid, I'm a artist

>>7693077
lol why is every tripfag like this

>>7696444
>most famous ≠ most likable
Sure, but why would I use an obscure piece that may be likeable to critique a movement that I hate? More so, why would it be expected that I, a person who hates said movement, find a piece that I like to help people view it in the best possible light?
We should all be glad I didn't post the Wall Banana

>Picrel
I don't hate the photographed example, but I'm not impressed either.
I suppose when I see this I think how it'd be kinda neat to have a series of dioramas like that to display many different types of rooms from differing time periods, or interesting interior designs, but that feels more like something from a museum, than an art gallery.
It just feels like this art piece didn't push far enough.
However it does tie into another reason I'm reminded I dislike a lot of conceptual art (and contemporary art too)

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsla5fbzhpw
Honestly, I loathed this. If I saw this in a gallery, I'd roll my eyes and swear under my breath.
It's just loud spectacle. A loud rattling of chains, a random blasting of music, it's just a sophisticated jangling of keys for the adults - who I'm sure all stroke their chins and go 'hmmm, yes we're all puppets being controlled by the whims of others, hmmm, yes yes'.

It also goes back to how I feel about art, and define it. Do either of these display the artist's skills in their craft? Did the picrel's artist build that room, or did they hire some builders to do so?
Did the Puppet Artist even make his puppet? I'm sure he probably didn't make the mechanisms and programming that control it?
It upsets me that I can't even really know who made what;
Who makes Jeff Koon's works? Because it's not him.
Who Makes Damian Hirst's works? Because it's not him.
With gone from the intimate experiences between the audience and the Artist, to not even knowing who the artist was but having the commissioner/director take all the glory...

Anyway, I think I've gone off track here, haha.

>>7696496
>Sure, but why would I use an obscure piece that may be likeable to critique a movement that I hate? More so, why would it be expected that I, a person who hates said movement, find a piece that I like to help people view it in the best possible light? We should all be glad I didn't post the Wall Banana

my point by most famous ≠ most likable is that if you broaden your horizons beyond the most ultra famous household names of contemporary art you might find work you actually like. Especially because many of the most famous pieces/artists have become famous due to being unliked, banana case in point. everything youve said so far gives me the impression youve only scraped the surface of whats out there.
but im sensing an undertone that you're far more interested in finding work you dont like, in order to confirm what you already know. icbf trying to find stuff you might like when you're already set in your ways

>>7696527
>>7696533
Whoah, echo.
>you're far more interested in finding work you dont like, in order to confirm what you already know
Well, we're in a thread talking about art styles we don't like, and I was making a post about an art style I don't like in said thread about art styles we don't like. I just chose a well known example that would illustrate what my disliked style is, and what my complaints are, well.

>everything youve said so far gives me the impression youve only scraped the surface of whats out there.
Perhaps, but I shouldn't have to force myself to eat what I don't like, when there's plenty of other foods that I do like. Likewise, why should I have to force myself to dig through work I don't like, just to satisfy you?
I've seen enough to where I have an opinion, I've been to art galleries, and shows, and read enough books on art with enough examples. I'm open to changing my opinion if I saw an abundance of work that could do so, but to no one's shock... I just don't like this type of art. The most I can muster when seeing examples I don't hate is an 'oh, that's interesting' - they usually feel like an odd experience or spectacle rather than something to admire the visual craft.
As I've said, the style is antithetical to my views on art.

>i cbf trying to find stuff you might like when you're already set in your ways
Hey, that's fine, I even said earlier:
>"have either of you thought a subjective opinion that you disagree with doesn't need to be changed? I can hate a type of art, have my valid reasons for doing so, and you can completely disagree with me. It's a wide world guys."
Some people hate mint flavoured things, I'm personally quite fond of it, neither opinion is incorrect. There's no need to take my strong dislike of conceptual art as an affront to you or your tastes, anon.
Like what you like and don't worry about it - though maybe don't go into threads about the types of art people hate and act surprised someone may hate an art you love.

>>7688666
Almost any art that's grotesque.

>>7689317
Genuinely kill yourself

Unless someone’s already said it, corporate Memphis

>>7689999
Unfathomably based, anon

>>7690319
>Tripfag has an opinion against something I’m guilty of
Because of (You) I’m going to double down on the noses. From this day on my noses will be so big and so bold that I will be known as the Jew nose artist.

>>7693077
mother of god

>>7689048
Kys faggot + tranny

>>7688666
Cartoons. That's pretty much it. That includes anime, furry shit, Cal Arts shit, coomer slop, and that horrendous World of Warcraft-derived Clash of Clans aesthetic.
Please just do something else.

>>7707320
So anything that isn't realistic? Well you're no fun.

>>7690395
>i can coom to it so it's better
lol

>>7706938

Excuse you?

>>7708167

Oh, I thought you were replying to the comment 7700623 was replying to. Go on.

>>7700623

What?

>>7688669
>>7689339
I dunno, I kind of dig it.
There's a lot of details to look at and it's not bland. It's an assault on the eyes but in a fun way.

>>7690334
How do I paint like him

>>7688669
Man, I remembered rainbows on a starry sky backdrop were just reference to nyancat back in the days until the alphabet group starts hijacking with their disgusting sexual preference

>>7688882
Heh. It's kinda obvious if you slopped often. Though majority of people won't notice it and just attribute it to muh skillz

>>7707531
yes, but unironically, between generic with no appeal vs generic with sex appeal, at least one actually can be enjoyed

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>>7688666
Faux-nostalgic "scenemo" Demiseman clones
Not exactly a bad artstyle on its own, but at this point they are just clones of each other and feel so sovless and unauthentic

You faggots don't seem to understand that standing out will only become more and more important as art begins to homogenize

>>7709164
Standing out and being unlikable aren't the same thing.

>>7709168
There's a reason ragebait become the meta on platforms like twitter. It gets engagement. I think people have stopped engaging with it as much, but you underestimate how valuable it is to just getting eyes on your work in this day and age.

>>7692442
what those nigga lips do

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Real life piss filter. Time is truly a flat circle.

>>7709183
Ragebait has never really worked with art

>>7709225
Weren't these originally more vibrant and just got more piss colored over time?

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>>7709237
I mean rcdart made ragebaiting their whole persona. They were everywhere for a good couple years

>>7690395
Because anything done in the AAA industry are done and approved by committees. They'll always gravitate to whatever the safest slop they could muster

>>7692878
Not really I think it's more like 'man, you have this technical capabilities yet you choose to be a human photocopier?'

>>7709396
I mean, that mindset just comes off more as jealousy than anything. Like, maybe it's boring to you, sure. But telling someone they're wasting talent because they don't do things the way you would is cuck behavior.

>>7709365
rcdart was a fucking icon lmao, I can't get enough of this shit.

>>7688669
Good God not this freak. If you know anything about this jackass you deserve financial compensation.

>>7688856
Tbh i think it's okay. It's not anime, even if it takes inspiration from it. I see it as it's own thing and like it a little.

>>7689035
Manga and the anime industry milks and cashes in on degeneracy pedofag

>>7689629
Waawaa my woman look bad i need to coom

>>7709272
No.

>>7709736
Uohhhhh cunny (ToT)

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>>7688666
I call it the 'Bara-neonpuke+' it started way before Hades but I think Hades made it all the more popular. You can see it everywhere nowadays, in most of the BL shit comics that clog webtoons, indie/lo-fi/cozy games, etc. Its nothing but a wanna-be-Ayami Kojima vomitive travesty. Furries and rollaids love it , to no one's surprise. I wish it never existed.

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>>7709225
Those are varnish layers that preserve a painting getting old over time. They didn't look like that originally.

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I absolutely abhor this sort of art style that a lot of progressive artists seem to converge to for some reason

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>>7709910

>>7709910
That's the female/lgbt visual language. Like how furries have a distinct visual language. How you draw is literally visual vocabulary. The communities you engage with, the content you consume, people you follow and admire, it all shapes your shape language, visual style. It's why communities tend to become homogenize over time and why free thinkers are so rare.

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>>7688882
>>7708507
in my opinion there is nothing wrong with stealing from AI fags, if anything its the right thing to do considering the damage they've done

>>7695702
negro...

I'm ok with western style and I'm ok with anime style (both semi-realistic and cartoonish / super stylized, but there are many sub-styles, so to speak)
But I fucking HATE westoids trying to mix anime/comic style, and that's like 70% of the art most games and western artists use today

>>7711357
so, like anime eyes with a nose that's not just a dot?

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marc brunet. anyone who draws women with masculine body fat while attempting sex appeal disgusts me. the way he draws deltoids is criminal. and his rendering looks foul

>>7709910
>>7709912
This stuff makes me sick.

>>7709365
This is like if Smorky went to art school and still ended up a failure

>>7688669
>>7689339
sovl

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>>7711470
Smorky's art at least had appeal. Nobody talks about Smorky's art in a negative way, they just talk about Smorky's creepy effeminate, spouse abusing, dirty diaper wearing ass.

Anyway, that calarts' student just had hideous aesthetic taste and couldn't make appealing art to save their life at the end there - I wonder what happened to them? Did they continue perusing art?

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>>7709738
I don't give a fuck if the woman "looks fuckable" just make them look intresting like you would do with every other character regardless of gender.
Take a look of a random drawing I got, you could tell the type of character this OC is with simple but effective methods of story telling. What the fuck does Alloy's design about her!?
>uh she has a bow and bow strap on her wrist
>her outfit is steampunk indigenous gear of no defined origin
>uhhh also looks like a real person
Like fuck you man.

>>7689629
ngl this is not a matter of style just subject matter

>>7711521
if you look up "where is rcdart now" you can find their new webpage they went back to the style on the left

>>7711608
I mean, if you want to put it like that you could say that about anything realistically rendered, which is nonsense. Obviously the point is the /design/ style sucks.

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>>7711608
It's not the subject matter, it's how they use the references and don't do anything really creative about them that piss me the fuck off! I see this shit all the time with Triple A games where you could tell they got some college degree bum that just sucked the dick off their college professor and just draw the references they use rather than transforming it into something cool. It's like going into art Station and see the same generic fantasy art you see of some burning looking ranger guy or witch lady that they copy off lord of the rings. I'm not denying that on a technical level, "it's good" but it's nothing really doing anything new with the media. I don't give a fuck about this character because the design sucks and its souless!

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>>7711622
Speaking of uninspired AAA design, I can't stand the nu-D&D obsession with making everything a big dumb V shape. OMG, you made all the magic robes POINTY. Fuck off hack.

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>>7711627
Maybe because I'm more into cartoony styles but I hate how every Triple A game has to have the voice actors face on the character, makes everything so boring. Also the color palettes are always so muted, these are the same people that critic art students for not using their values right but yet these examples shown barely show any vaules or contrast or anything that makes it intresting, just a bunch of glorified portfolio pieces

>>7709947
Do women like big noses? Is that what led to the "tumblr nose"?

>>7711930
>Do women like big noses?
This is purely speculation but small noses are conventionally perceived as more cute and feminine, most anime art styles push it to the extreme by making the nose almost invisible. Since these types of people often reject conventional beauty as part of their ideology that might explain why they tend to draw prominent noses.

>>7711930
no, it likely started with loish and similar artists on deviantart, then when tumblr was made girls liked those artists then interpreted darker shading on the nose into being red, and then became an amalgamation of itself after tumblr artists only started referencing other tumblr artists and became more red and prominent and used in cartoons too

>>7712405
anime was not popular amongst the early tumblr crowd other than some magical girl anime at least not initially, only western cartoons, it got more popular later on

>>7711930
I've been drawing a lot of men lately (because I draw too many women) and Guys have more characteristically unique noses. Seeing how they're women they may be used to drawing men and when they switched to draw women maybe they enjoyed drawing the unique noses or don't realize that cute has a lot to do with proportions, so they draw these monstrosities and it caught on... We need some nerd to make a shitty video essay about the history.

Picasso, modern art in general. It's just a subversion of society.

>>7688856
Studio mir schtick is just being ugly.

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>>7690334
I'm not a big fan of his style either but I'd welcome him and his copycats over Sakimichan and her copycats from back in the day, holy shit, that was rough

>>7711372
He's still way too influenced by his past career and it permeates everything he uploads

>>7690334
I hate all porn art because they sedate the eyes and derive them of any soul or interests. Since once you give them any sense of desire beyond mere pleasure you'll have the audience questioning why they are consuming this shit.

>>7689339
>>7688669
if they lost the pride faggotry this could be endearing, reminds me of those old fangirl videos
>>7688993
I won't argue with that, western comics are, or rather, were kings.

>>7690334
>>7717237
>sakimi and csr
in a non-technical manner, both are the same type of style
They are both bland and uninspiring lewd works that desperately want to be seen as erotic.
Even in the compositions, they are nothing but generic.

Granted, most look at it for 0.1 seconds, hoot and howl for 0.2 seconds because tits and ass and then hop onto next tits n ass
Even as pornographic artwork, it's just not good and even some d/ic/ks on here do better erotic works.
Maybe "safehorny" would be a fitting definition?
Baby's first nude woman picture?
Normie's illussion at being "cultured"?

Both of them have so many copycats purely because the originals pull in huge numbers and the copycats want to be mistake as the original to make money and numbers.

Those are all characters i like and i feel nothing, not even an automatic response
>>7717245
>Since once you give them any sense of desire beyond mere pleasure you'll have the audience questioning why they are consuming this shit.
this guy gets it

If i don't long to desire to grab a tiddy from beyond the screen, stop wasting my eyes with slop.

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This retarded samey artstyle all of these motherfucks draw in.

>>7717668

Yes, Hudson, your retarded perma-pre/beg/ Tumblr shit makes you so fucking quirky. Just shut the fuck up and take the attention you ordered.

Tbh I hate all the anime porn on this board. Why do you people want to just draw anime porn? It seems like such a boring thing to do. You have an entire world of beauty and you choose to draw disgusting fetish art of exaggerated cocks and breasts and 90% of it is an anatomical nightmare that hurts to look at. What a stupid thing to aspire to. What a waste of talent and effort.

>>7717949
Feel this way too. There are people in the single digits going into this who actually know how to draw massive tits and if you can't appreciate the whole human body then you're just intentionally trying to turn your brain into mush.

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>>7688666
Here's something that's a bit different.
I used to loathe Masumune Shirow 3D / illustration composite work. Especially considering his traditional drawing and painting is so fucking good (and I still prefer it), but I've seen his 3D thing go from really crude and mashed together and clunky to producing some really interesting pieces over the years.
The man lived on the periphery of mixing computer graphics and digital illustration and it eventually paid off.
Now some of that work is some of my favourite.
Just goes to show how artists can still innovate and change your mind.

>>7717949
>anime
Not to mention the piss poor rendering that they all fall in love with as well. I think this board is full of young people (compared to other boards like /tv/ ) because when I was a teen I was on deviantart wanting to draw anime girls then I grew out of it. Teen me would've loved this version of /ic/ now I think anime is so generic

>>7718759
grew out of trying to draw a generic anime style because I hated drawing thin lines

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I feel like i can stomach almost any type of art but for whatever reason picrel just disgusts me on a primal level

>>7719111
Even if I try to draw something vaguely anime I make sure to draw thick lines because I can't stand drawing thin lines when outlining and can't tell you why.

>>7688666

>>7722010

I despise people who draw eyes like that. Seriously.

>>7688666
For me it's Yev-san's art style, not because i hate him or anything, but because he's gotten worse and I'm severely disappointed in him.

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>>7725334
>but because he's gotten worse and I'm severely disappointed in him.
So you actually really like his artstyle, but you're just a disappointed fan boy?
Also, I still really like his artwork, but that might be because I'm a satisfied fan boy.

>>7725339
>like his artstyle, but you're just a disappointed fan boy?
That might be it. His current artstyle is objectively worse when compared side by side with his past, and i really hate seeing that.

>>7725339
This isn't AI? what the actual hell is going on with those legs.

>>7725349
>This isn't AI?
I hate how artists can't just fuck something up these days.
Bad hand? Artists never had trouble with that before, it must be AI!
Weird Pose? only an AI would do such a thing.
A lighting/shading mistake? Not today, AI!
Yes AI also fucks these things up, but in far more inhuman and illogical ways.
The most common sign I see is tangent lines, particularly when it comes to hair, and WAY too prominent collar bones.

>what the actual hell is going on with those legs.
Anyway, this is a pretty funny fuck up. It looks like he ended up mistaking which leg is which, and ended up connecting the right knee to both thighs.
If you cut off the extra connection point under the right knee, it looks fine.
He probably had a stray line when colouring, and mistook it as a important line and rendered it with the rest of the drawing (a danger, I suppose, when you draw in such a loose and sketchy way), and just didn't catch it.

>>7725400
I assumed AI because I have no idea how a fuck up that bad can happen. How do you possibly miss something that obvious while actually drawing it?

>>7689629
It's a shame how the concept art for Horizon looked stunning before they settled for this awful design. Women can't look good in modern video games I guess.

>>7709910
Sadly some people are so far left, and against traditional beauty standards, that they see making things purposefully ugly as a good thing.

>>7726179
It's not really a lefty thing, it's just an attention seeking thing losers do. There's plenty of righties on here who draw the most grotesque shit either for shock value or to just be performatively anti-anime.

>>7688666
I hate the spic thiccshit art style

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this made it to the front page of reddit

>>7726395

i don't get it

>>7726398
It's pretty dumb. She wants the guy to act like a boyfriend and a girlfriend because she's interested in men and women.

>>7726426
So she prepares the ground to make a cuck out of him?

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the reddit style

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>>7688666
I hate the Tumblr nose.

>>7726398
the author equates bisexuality with polyamory.
This would be enough to offend any reason-guided person but on reddit it's fair game because they're all cucks anyway.

>>7717521
>They are both bland and uninspiring lewd works that desperately want to be seen as erotic.
True enough, it's a shame that they've both made insanely lucrative careers off of it. At least pin-up posters have lasting cultural charm

>>7709272
Yes, certain varnishes, as well as some oil mediums, and some white pigments all yellow over time.

Other posters touched on it with "AAA art" and "DnD" shit, but really just concept art as a whole, it's fucking trash. As far as I can tell, ironically, the purpose of "concept" art is to create the blandest, most generic, uninspired meaningless garbage which conveys absolutely nothing.
It's the equivalent of eating fucking styrofoam, no matter how much you consume there's just nothing fucking there.

>>7689048
>MUH QUIRKY ARTIST LINES
they give it a surreal texture which is pretty pleasing desu

>1. Western "anime" artists especially hentai or anything explicit
Basically putting modern politics and normalfag morals into art form. Too many things to point out but the whole 1 base body + adjust head for a different character formula is just fraudulent.
>2. Same as above but with western memes, fetishes etc.
>3. Calarts and everything related to it
No explanation needed.

>>7688669
this is a mix of a lost cause and a cry for help

>>7688822
they're not even a fucking child anymore, this bitch is in her 20s

>>7689891
listen to your father, sweety.

>>7722010
it was drawn by a cunt on twitter, what did you expect?

>>7690557
you just had to be there man

>>7729655

SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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>>7688666
my own
hahaha

>>7689629
>milktoast

>>7726395
I mean that one unfunny bitch is always on reddit frontpage. All of her jokes can be summarized as millenial quirky, vagina, and a mid woman with an overinflated ego propped up by loser redditors.

>>7730576
her names like pizzacupcake or cookiemuffinmustache or something dated and retarded

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>>7688666
Anime and especially the neckbeard manchild weebs that like it. They always have the worst taste and opinions and they always look like the ugliest, most unfuckable people imaginable. It'd be like a Japanese guy telling you that cartoons from Nickelodeon are the greatest achievements in art.

>>7731960
> It'd be like a Japanese guy telling you that cartoons from Nickelodeon are the greatest achievements in art.
It’s nothing like that. You’re just an anti-japanese homosexual who cares how fuckable other men are

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>>7731964
Yeah bro, I am sure the Japs who hate foreigners will gladly embrace you in their arms because you watched a couple Japanese cartoons, dumbass weeb.

>>7688666
aisloppers

>>7709910
It's always the weird nose they add to so many characters. It could be any of the style of noses, but it's always slapped on front and center, like they're deathly afraid of anything even remotely looking 0.000000001% like anime so they just go WHAM ugly ass nose. You could take away all of the other issues and leave the nose and the nose would still immediately ruin the whole thing. At least "tumblr nose" hasn't been as popular as it was in prior years.

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>>7731960
i am not a weeb but why are there so many fervent anti weebs who discredit the objective and observable artistic merits of any and all anime art? it's literally no different than saying you hate the entire canon of western illustration just because of something like diary of a wimpy kid

>>7734740
> it's literally no different than saying you hate the entire canon of western illustration just because of something like diary of a wimpy kid
But there ARE dumbasses who constantly dismiss western art on this board, because they like anime and manga more than their western counterparts.
Just look at >>7732901 .
Ya gotta accept there's dumbasses, no matter the position.

>>7730091

Quit your bitching. If you don't like it, get better.

>>7734740
>the objective and observable artistic merits

lost

>>7736780
pyw

>>7734740
I've lurked here long enough to witness the downfall of /ic/:

Basically it bowls down to Western (especially American) women who make up for a big majority of the artists in the West. They tend to despise anime because "anime style" (which is a very broad category as you're probably aware) tends to idealize the feminine in ways which are often youthful or spotless. There's also the fact that naturally it's drawn through the lens of the Japanese society, where girls have very often thin looking with youthful traits for a long time.

Therefore it triggers deep insecurities in them, and contrats highly with Western/American women in comics/cartoons are drawn with much bigger proportions, but also with more defined facial features (like big noses or whatever), which is much less abstract than anime and closer to real life, thus closer to something they can reach.

So all in all, they then project this insecurity onto other men. They want men to look at idealized representations that they themselves they're able to get close to (i.e. something like your typical burger comic), sine to them, anime girls are seen as a standard that is unachievable (especially if they're not Asian).

Note that while I'm putting my finger on mostly women here, there are obviously a lot of men who possess an affiliative nature and who will sympathise with those views as well, for the simple fact that they do not want society to see badly judge them. The process is often unconscious though, so there is no way to argue with such people.

>>7736836
You realize that there's more to anime than schoolgirls, right? If we're being honest here, schoolgirl anime kinda sucks ass anyway, so it's a moot point.

>>7688666

anime

>>7736858
the artsyle you like better not turn out to be repulsively displeasing

>>7736836
I don't think I have seen anyone be more wrong about anything in my life. The majority of anime is just unbelievably uninteresting and tired now.

>>7736836
you are the downfall of /ic/. Your opinion is not even 1% original nor the least bit interesting. Go draw or go back to /pol/

>>7736836
Except the fujo thread is right there and has always be filled with anime since its inception retard. Get a personality outside of "wah i am owed pussy I hate women wahh" loser your theory is dumb as fuck and has zero basic in reality.

>>7736836
Seems to have hit a nerve

>>7736780
IM TRYING

>>7717521
>>7728477
I differentiate CSR and Saki in two big ways. Saki is pretty much just a convention print artist while CSR has a classic painterly feeling to it. On top pf that CSR is into the games and shows he draws vs Saki chasing the buck.

CSR got as big as Saki in half the time, and I would talk to random, normal dudes on my college campus who used his art as phone wallpapers. Never seen that with Saki. CSR seemingly got people who normally wouldn't give a shit about art to do so while Saki caters to weebs to make them go "character i recognize drawn pretty".

>>7736836
I'm surprised many are telling you you're wrong, I think you're right. I don't think many western artists are insecure feminists like what most of /co/ thinks, but I can sympathize with the push to make women in cartoons and animation look more older and realistic because they want to be represented less by sex dolls and child-like features and more by something more honest and personal.

Obviously not all anime is like this, that's what makes that anime more unique and well renowned is how they break the otaku trends

>>7736836
lmao at the seething replies. you are 100% right.

>>7709225
this is the varnish oxidizing over time you dumb stooge

>>7737664
Bullshit

>>7731965
I don't think anyone gives a shit or thinks they're gonna get a japanese woman or whatever. Nobody has thought like that in 2 decades.

>>7736836
most of the bitches drawing anime pastel shit are women though, specially super neotenous and skinny characters, the male anime artists either focus on action/shonen stuff or draw muscle girls, with a few genuine pedophiles in the mix who just draw actual children but then slap an anime head on top to make it ok

>>7737673
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1Mjc4zNfY4
Retard.

>>7728477
>it's a shame that they've both made insanely lucrative careers off of it.
I wouldn't say it's a shame; it is expected.
I had a longer post written why that's the case but it will just attract cattle and normies trying to desperately damage control so they don't have to develop self-awareness because it might lead to their suicide.
>>7736836
Very insightful post.
Looking at the usual replies wich are mostly insults, it further emphasizes how correct this Anon is.
Insane how this board of artists is 99% dumb faggots and negative IQ cunts who can't even figure out how their shadows work.
But it makes gems like these posts stand out more.

>>7688669
birdie would be a good fuck if she was still a virgin

>>7736836
And they hated him because he told the truth

>>7734740
Let me make it extremely clear for you:
>Anime is inherently cheap. It's designed to be cartoony, not artistic.
>Backgrounds look nice wherever you go (outside of canadian animation), but their function is to be a background
>All jap rook same
Now stop asking this question. Fuck

>>7736836
Exactly, who needs these hoes when you can just jerk off to hentai for the rest of your life instead, amirite bros?

>>7737418
>I can sympathize with the push to make women in cartoons and animation look more older and realistic because they want to be represented less by sex dolls and child-like features and more by something more honest and personal.

Conflicted on this because I also understand the urge but these tend to be the same animation fans have a nasty habit of ignoring/refusing to watch western animation that tries to be realistic or experiment so I am not as sympathetic

>>7731960
>Nickelodeon are the greatest achievements in art.
SpongeBob season 1-3 is some of the best television in history.

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>>7731964
>You’re just an anti-japanese homosexu-ACK!

>>7734740
There are anime artists who are good and there is objective talent. To think Japan has a monopoly on this or even produces anything dramatically different than the rest of the world, or that merely copying the art style gives something meaning is delusional and is what most people who are obsessed with anime think.

>>7688676
Unironically it's complacency. Artists who lack aesthetic sense and only use art as a crude means to actualize the autistic ideas in their head always fall into complacency when their art becomes passable enough to convey the bare minimum of visual information. That's why fetishists are fine with MS Paint circle tool edits of cartoon characters because as long as their idea is before them in some understandable way they're satisfied.

>>7709209
wrap around crack pipes

>>7731960
dude, I used to hate anime too, but I realized it's not cool to hate on things other people like. Just keep in mind sometimes it's not the best to hate on stuff

>>7741603
LOL spongebob is just the simpsons to zoomers
inb4 "bro smearframes bro"

>>7742035
Lol you don't even know what you are talking about. SpongeBob aired in 1999, most zoomers weren't even born and the ones that were weren't sapiant enough to enjoy the series. SpongeBob is firmly a millennial show.

>>7742164
im born in 2002 and spongebob was on tv throughout my entire childhood

>>7742164
>sapiant

>>7737673
>>7738775
>stays silent after yt link
LOL

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this shit right here

anyone doing this should be shot by a deathsquad

>>7717668
cringy but the artist is not bad at all
I think this one just triggers you because you are a lonely man

>>7743717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo5l-1r8OMo

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>>7743717
siggy's-ass color scheme