Is procreate any good? I'm currently couch surfing and in-between some stuff so I don't have access to my desktop and won't be able to paint for a while. Really missing it. Was thinking of picking up an ipad a16 and an apple pencil just for procreate, is it actually worth it? I tried it out in the apple store for a bit but wasn't really all that sold on it. Seems usable but there might be a bit of a learning curve to it. How does it compare to photoshop in terms of making fully finished digital paintings? Is it mostly just for sketching and light rendering or is it feasible to make highly finished and detailed works? Not sure how good it really is without spending a decent amount of time with it, don't really want to get sucked into the hype of something if people are mostly just excited about it because it's a neat little shiny toy more so than it actually performs particularly well.
>>7699809it's the only software i paid for, best investment in my opinion, i was able do to do some comms while traveling, right now it's my "digital sketchbook on roids"
>>7699809>Seems usable but there might be a bit of a learning curve to it.There's so many tutorials that introduce the software you'll get the hang of it in no time.
>>7699813Nice drawing, congrats on the commsWould you say it's more for sketching then rather than trying to really paint with it? Trying to get a sense of how it compares to being able to make finished works in comparison to being on a desktop with something like photoshop.
>>7699813What brush settings do you use for sketches like that? I love the flow and texture of the lines
>>7699874i mean it can do that, i personally got too used to clip studio paint and PC so i won't really shift of procreate for fully finished art but i can still finish my works procreate. i have seen many artists use procreate full time for all of their works - but they also have Ipad pro and higher storage with them
>>7699923Trying to read up on it now and it looks like the iPad fully charged with procreate would only last like 4 or 5 hours lol? How tf do people use this fully time for painting? That's really weak, don't think I'm interested anymore desu. Maybe in the future or whatever when they get it down a little better but if it can't last a full day of painting then it's mostly just a toy.
>>7699948You realize you can use it with the charger plugged in, right? I doubt anybody working "full time" is doing it in a place without an outlet. Even then you can always bring a power bank with you.
>>7699967Also to answer the OP, it's good but I use ASP more often these days because Procreate's file management is ass and not having the option to use 1 finger to pan the canvas annoys me.
>>7699948well honestly it do time to time feel like a toy, therefore i never really used it full time, but it has a lot of potential if I pad IS the only thing you have. If procreate was on PC with some better file saving options and keyboard shortcuts - i would finally pay for an art software on PC
>>7699967>You realize you can use it with the charger plugged in, right?You realize you could basically do the exact same thing with a laptop, right? I was mostly interested in having a portable canvas I could paint with anywhere but 4 or 5 hours really sucks, not at all worth the money.
>>7699982You can draw on your laptop screen?
>>7699986I already have a Wacom tablet that I use on a desktop. With a laptop I could use a full version of photoshop, my tablet and a keyboard for hotkeys. Tf is the point of an iPad and procreate if I have to plug it half the time?
>>7699990So now you have to lug around 2 devices? I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. The appeal of the ipad is that it's an all-in-one device. Does your laptop also have and infinite battery?
>>7699948You don't draw 4 to 5 hours straight anyway.
>>7699998I wouldn't "lug around" anything that needs an outlet, there's zero point to it. My Wacom tablet is tiny anyway and could easily fit in a laptop case>>7700000I absolutely used to easily go 4+ hours. If you paint for over 10 hours a day you'll have big chunks of time spent sitting down at the screen.
>>7700016>sitting down at the screenSitting down too much isn't good. You can pick it up and draw anywhere in the living room, at the kitchen counter--anywhere. And I'm sure you have plenty of wall outlets around your house, so just bug a really long charging cable and continue as normal. You're making a big deal over quality of life thing.
>>7700021>You're making a big deal over quality of life thingBecause it is expensive. I don't think this is for me, if you guys like it then keep using it. If it could last an entire day or two on a single charge I would probably get it but for what it does I'm not currently interested. The battery life would drive me crazy, that's without even getting into the other potential issues I might run into and dislike. Deal breaker, maybe I'll grab one when they figure out how to make it work the way it should.
>>7699920it's a custom brush i made
>>7700911... may I see it?
people who draw digitally outside, why? Just bring a sketchbook and some pens ffs. Hate when I see losers on their ipad at my figure drawing session.
how do we get clean line art? I dont know the stroke settings.
>>7699809I've had it for a decade. Not a professional artist, but sometimes I use it to sketch out logos/layouts/etc for programs. For $20 or whatever they are charging, you are insane to second guess. Just buy it, it's good old fashioned "pay once and own it software". Support the good guys.
>>7700911please share...
>>7699809Insane quality for the low price. As a pro illustrator the only thing stopping me from using it for everything is the shitty file management and inability to open more than one file at a time. They teased that on an earlier preview but it never came out. Clip Studio with a bt keyboard for hotkeys made the iPad my entire setup, but when I don’t have the keyboard with me or want to kick back without it, Procreate is great. t. Clip Studio enjoyer
>>7703074How is the battery life for you? Don't really know what to expect. Thinking of grabbing the basic iPad A16 just for procreate. Some sources say it might last 4 or 5 hours running procreate and others say maybe more like 8 to 12. Not sure what to expect.
>>7703074I just hope some of the Procreate common sense spilled to Procreate Dreamswe've gone almost a year and this thing still doesn't have a fucking selection tool. Also I hope that whoever decided that brush quality would be married to the zoom on the canvas was fired
>>7699809what i'm typing out is turning out to be long enough that i can't even reliably tl;dr it either. i hope i can post them before passing out... and if i talk like you're a retard i'm sorry.my assumptions:-i think you have very little disposable income, since you mention couch surfing.-i think you need a portable technology that lets you draw with as little caveats as possible, as soon as possible.-i think photoshop was what you were using before, since you mention it.-i don't know what you draw for. is it for fun? is it your job? can't form proper thoughts on it. however it seems your tablet has to serve you for an incalculable amount of time as well.
>>7703439my opinions, tl;dr (as much as possible): if you do art for fun, ipad a16 is more than enough. if it's for work, if you don't work with 『BIG』 canvases and 『BIG』 brushes with 『LOTS』 of layers it's also more than enough. if these standards are ambigious to you (which i understand!), aim for m2 to m3 ipad airs. if you don't care about barrel roll on the apple pencil pro (which you should, unless you like drawing your wives with hard round and airbrush) you can go for older gen ipad airs and pros that support apple pencil gen 2, but keep your aim at ipads with m chips. avoid apple pencil type c and third party styluses like the plague, no pressure sensitivity, that's like, the bare minimum. get the ipad a good case that protects both the corners and the screen. get it from a reputable brand so it doesn't lead to bending and cracking, which can happen with cheaper cases. get a bag for it about the same size, so you can put it in your primary bag, the bag you'd get would serve as a cushion when you're outside, as base ipads and to a lesser extent ipad airs seem to be prone to bending. get a screen protector. don't get a paperlike screen protector if you can't afford titanium nibs, because paperlike screen protector will ruin the plastic nibs. as for software, if you come from photoshop, you might want to check out artstudio pro instead. you can use it for free with no ads but it doesn't save your progress as a caveat. the perpetual license is higher than procreate but artstudio pro is compatible with a looot of photoshop file formats, and has a better brush engine in my opinion. that being said i'd get procreate sooner or later, paintstorm studio and realistic paint studio are my favorites but kind of abandonware at the moment, affinity suite for graphic design, and toonsquid for animation.
>>7703440my thoughts on procreate coming hopefully soon
>>7703445-in a world where they really really really not want you to own things but rent them, i really appreciate the offer of perpetual license. there was an add apple made that made the words procreate and subscription meet, they very quickly said it's an error and it's been a while since then with no announcement of greed so far, but knowing how celsys suddenly got greedy with clip studio paint, i'm wary of shows of good will as well. i will say, subscription isn't 100% bad as long as they also offer a perpetual license WITH NO CAVEATS alongside, looking at you celsys.-it is the second biggest community around a drawing software after clip studio paint, you USUALLY have to pay to get good looking & behaving assets though (especially default brushes, MAYBE barring hb and 6b brushes, and the brushes in the airbrushes section, suck ass. procreate 5.4 with kyle t. webster's brushes can't come soon enough). and they don't have an asset store like clip studio paint has, you find them on various platforms. go to /dbag/ for a taste. only thing you can reliably import and export are images, documents like .psd, brushes and color palettes. you can import .abr files but it'll never be 1:1. i think kyle t. webster planned to tackle this feature further with savage, they poached him from adobe after all, but they need to improve the brush engine for it to work, with how botched some come out i assume procreate lacks things photoshop has. gradient maps you can create and save within the app but you can't import or export. if you rely on gradient maps, memorize your hex codes very well if you're going to be procreate exclusive.
>>7703440i have an apple pencil pro and i still don't understand what barrel roll does
>>7703456-...definitely has a brush engine. in terms of mixing engines, artstudio pro, clip studio paint and paint tool sai are definitely better. artstudio pro has better pigment mixing than clip studio paint and last time i used paint tool sai, there wasn't any pigment mixing but despite the lack of it it's a better experience than clip studio paint. pigment mixing is considered for procreate but they really need to work on it's mixing engine first. it might be the worst in the current day and age actually. when i draw on procreate i mainly rely on opacity ([variable] glaze) and flow ([variable] blending), with the occasional smudge tool. i think this is, to this day and age about the photoshop artist workflow as well. however the current mixing engine can on occasion work well, especially with acrylic & oil paint stuff, and especially with impressionistic stuff, but impasto is hard to impossible to replicate in procreate so both suffer still.-savage finds weird hills to die on. they recently had to address this because of internal issues. and a major update had to be delayed for almost 3 seasons also and still isn't out of closed beta yet. but just go to procreate folio>discussions>ideas&suggestions and you'll see. they just built up really good faith (perpetual license at an affordable price, supporting artists, standing up to ai generated images) and didn't do the thing where celsys for clip studio paint didn't offer perpetual licenses for mobile, reduced the amount of sales happening in a year, then announced the change to their monetization so horribly, also introduced a battle pass for the updates, had some ai fiascos on top. it paid off nicely so far.
>>7703461https://docs.thesevenpens.com/drawtab/core-features/pen-barrel-rotationcomparehttps://docs.thesevenpens.com/drawtab/core-features/pen-tiltinstead of literally angling your stylus to rotate your brush, you instead literally roll the barrel of your stylus in your hands to rotate your brush. i find it easier on my hands and arms.on procreate, brush studio>shape>input style>azimuth and barrel roll, but you won't see any difference with round brushes. pick something more elliptic. "marker roll" from the default inking set has it by default, duplicate it then change it to just azimuth to see if you feel the difference, i admit they can sometimes overlap.
>>7703421Just use toonsquid
When the FUCK are they going to release the big update with the new brush system and Kyle Webster brushes?
>>7703507I know, but come on, Dreams is just a mess of weird design choices on top of each other. Who the fuck wanted an endless canvas to begin with? Just have a "Any canvas you create will extend out of bounds to allow for camera controls, you can change the size of this extension in the settings" popup so you don't compromise my usasbility for niche usage
>>7703510i feel you.according to a reply in this page, shortly before ios26. ios26 is estimated to come next monthhttps://folio.procreate.com/discussions/3/6/60552?page=16you aren't imagining things, someone "swatched" the brusheshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMB5cdBZsZ0they only recently added the brushes to the beta this week, if things go well they'll open the beta for more people, if you're interested:https://folio.procreate.com/discussions/3/6/60552?page=17
>>7699948I don't know where you're getting those stats, my ipad pro can easily get 8+ hours of drawing on a single charge
>Was thinking of picking up an ipad a16Avoid. That model only supports the USB-C pencil which is a budget version made for businesses and education and doesn't have pressure sensitivity. That's probably why you didn't like it when you tried it out at the apple store. Look for a Pro or Air model that uses either the Pro Pencil or the 2nd Gen Pencil.
>>7703615this is incorrect. it also supports the apple pencil 1st gen, charging it is going to be stupid but it does support. that being said, apple stores DO usually pair it with apple pencil type chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fskgPn2_Lo0&t=46
>>7703621>it also supports the apple pencil 1st genAnother reason to avoid it
>>7700089>Because it is expensiveBro if a $500 drawing device that lasts 4-5 hours isn't enough for you I don't know what to tell you, no $500 laptop is gonna last longer while running photoshop. Maybe you should switch to physical media.
Wish they would FUCKING FIX THE FUCKING BUCKET TOOL AND THE SELECTION TOOL SHIT FUCKING SUCKS LET ME EXPAND AND SHRINK SELECTED AREAS GIVE ME SHORTCUTS FOR CHANGING THE SIZE OF A BRUSH
>>7704081>EXPAND AND SHRINK SELECTED AREASThis bothers me so fucking much, why are they still missing these kinds of basic bitch features after so many years.
>>7700939>>7702399here ya goaHR0cHM6Ly9tYXJzbmVlZHNjb2ZmZWUuZ3Vtcm9hZC5jb20vbC9tYXJzY29mZmVlCmh0dHBzOi8vbWFyc25lZWRzY29mZmVlLmd1bXJvYWQuY29tL2wvbWFyc2NvZmZlZXYy
>>7703526daymn the new procreate brush stuff they did looks nice, i wish they changed how their brushes behaved too tho, i got used to it but whenever i go back to procreate from clip studio paint, the brushes feel like strings - they have a weird animation to them instead of just rendering out like any other software, this is more visible when you stabilize brush
as a piece of drawing software, it's fine, but since it requires using an ipad i can't really recommend it unless you already own an ipad and already know you like drawing on it. i've drawn on a lot of tablets through the year, from bargain bin no-name digitizer tablets to top shelf cintiqs, and it is completely without hyperbole when i say that the ipad has the worst feel out of all of them. it's so sluggish and imprecise, i genuinely have no idea how some artists have the patience to stick with it for long enough to create artwork on it.
>>7706073Thank you! NTA but I got your brushes off of the brush thread before. Which brush did you make that sketch with? do you remember or nah?
>>7706165What would you recommend?
>>7699809it's my go to for drawing while travelling (using ipad + apple pencil and a desk stand), to the point that I prefer it over clip studio even though I can do more stuff in csp and it's a "better" program. the whole setup is on the expensive side but at the time I had extra money and don't regret it.pay once and use forever is a bonus. very bare bones program but I find that's a plus since once you have it setup how you like you just grab the pencil and draw.
>>7699809Had it for a while, but decided its best for a sketchbook type of deal. Even making canvases with page sizes A6 to A4 for sketching.My main issues is finding the right brushes and colors for sketching, also finding the right sizes for said brushes. I swear with digital I feel like I can never stop messing with a drawing instead of leaving it be.
>>7706086>the brushes feel like stringsI think it's because of their own stabilizer, I think it's called streamline or some shit. I turn that shit all the way down and set the regular stabilizer to something like 10 and it feels more like a normal digital brush.
>>7699809I use Infinite Painter because they don't make Procreate for Android and I will never buy an Apple product as long as I live. Is it as good as Procreate? For me, it's fine. It has less brush support by a huge margin, but I don't care about that. Other than that, it's fine.
>>7699809It's good but if you're already used to csp it's a waste of money and you're better off shelling out for the csp subscription. Procreate uses a different interface so drawing with it feels completely different to csp and you'll wonder why the fuck you're drawing like shit all of a sudden. You see the same thing when people try to upgrade from procreate to csp. It takes getting used to and in my opinion that headache isn't worth the few dollars you'll save.
>>7707559If you really want something similar to csp without paying the sub I'd say just go for asp.
I ended up pulling the trigger and grabbed the a16 and procreate. Not bad, I like it but I’m used to a desktop and having the brightness up. Doing that with the iPad and I might get the 4 to 5 hours that I expected to get, if I let the iPad set the brightness I might get over 10 or 11 hours which is great. But I like the brightness up in order to see the edges for blending and edge control. For those with more experience, what would you say is a good brightness level to work with, or what are your preferences for brightness for painting on a tablet, and how to balance that with battery performance.
>>7710190you should have got a m-series chip ipad, the battery life on those on full brightness is even better than the a-series chips
>>7710468They’re expensive lol, it was $489 vs something like $1200+No ragrets
>>7710867oh shit is it that much.. i got mine years ago.. i assumed it woulda gone down in price by now..
>>7710870Looks like the air is more like 700+ tax so I guess I could’ve gotten that but the pro is like $1,300. I just grabbed the a16 for $429 (489 with tax) and called it a day. The Apple Pencil and procreate brought up to over $650. Canadian dollars btw. Whatever extra battery I might’ve gotten with the air probably wouldn’t be worth it for me. What would it be, maybe an extra hour or something for battery¿
>>7710880yee at the max brightness you wanted too. but honestly the base ipad should be good too. I use a ipad mini and a ipad pro 12.9. 12.9 feels so much better but it's just too big to lug around all the time. ipad mini is too small to draw on desu but it's better than nothing. the weird thing is that ipad mini can use the new fancy haptic feedback pencil while my ipad pro uses the old one..
Do people really max out their brightness? Unless I'm outside in direct sunlight I prefer to keep it low, even on OLEDs.
>>7710917Maybe not max it out but whenever I work on a mid level brightness screen the work looks like shit when I upload it online and see it from another person’s screen. There are so many jagged edges and things that I just can’t see unless I pump up the brightness. Too much isn’t good either but I just want to make sure that I’m not missing anything in the work that I can’t read when it’s too dark. drives me crazy when it looks so rough and ugly on another screen.
since this is kind of an ipad thread as well i hope it's okay if i can ask for suggestions on casei'm using pic related right now for my 11 inch m3 ipad air but i'd like something that has a better tilt stand
Is there really no edge setting for brushes in this app? Lmao why the fuck wouldn't they include one of the most important parts of brush control for digital painting in a digital painting app? Makes zero sense. I guess you have to use and play around with the airbrushes for smooth blends, pretty annoying.
>>7710917I find that the tablet just overheats on full brightness after a while and auto-dims the screen.
>>7710870>Apple>Go down in price
>>7706065I've finally started to draw a lot on my Ipad and I can only sayWhat the fuck does the clipping mask in this thing work like it does? Let me apply masks as a whole to layer groups and not to single layers only>>7706165Pretty decent with one of those textured screen protectors, but I get what you mean. If mine xploded right now, I'd probably get one of those new android ones the Drawing Tab guys are pumping out.
>>7711865This is a pretty solid app with BAFFLING decisionsThe more I use it, the more I realized Dreams releasing as it did was predictable as fuck
If I imported brushes through the Google Drive app can I delete the Google Drive app afterwards? Are my brushes now in Procreate or is it pulling the brushes from the app when I use them? Google Drive is taking up a lot of space for some reason.
>>7714402Pretty sure you can delete them, I've deleted brushes on drive and the ones installed in procreate stay there.
>>7711681If you need tilt angles just get a parblo stand, mine goes everywhere my iPad goes
Really wished I had known that these apps are 8-bit depth only. It makes doing any kind of gradient work kind of painful. Thinking of bringing back my iPad lol, think I’ll just stick to sketching in a book until I can get back on a desktop. No idea how “pros” can ditch their desktop setups for something as limiting as procreate, must be doing line art or minimal shading in their art.
how to get procreate on non apple
>>7699809I hate subscription and online services and for $12 it's the best service I could think of. I usually do any sketches there if I forget to bring a drawing book.
>>7716798You get CSP or SAI instead.
>>7699809It has the name of a fertility treatment.
