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First new oil painting in a while.
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>>7709773
looks good
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>>7709789
Thanks. Its yours?
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>>7709791
Its my mspaint edit of another anons painting
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I had some thoughts about stylization and realism lately. Its much easier and cheaper to find references, when your style is transformative enough, that the result does not trigger copyright laws. Its not really about the laws, its about your own perception. In my case i dont feel full ownership of my work, when i work from references i didnt produced myself. Even if i use images without copyright.
I tend towards realism, but the last couple of years were very frustrating. I tried to work from internet pictures, felt bad. I tried to work from life and my own photos, but that was way to hard and limiting. I would need a stable income from my art to legitimize all the hustle.
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I think when i push my proportions and colors more i could transform every ref i want into my own art. But then im afraid to end up like most artists with a meme style.
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how do you organize/archive your old drawings? I have hundreds of papers I have no idea where to put them.
Also, wasn't there a general about materials, papers, tools and whatnot for trad artists?
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>>7709827
you're worryingly low IQ
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>>7710213
> artistic integrity is dumb
Postmodernism ruined a whole generation of artists.
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>>7710221
>it's the gypsy
lol
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>>7709827
>those Dishonored portraits were done from reference
Fuck me, I always though those were done from imagination, now I feel lied to.

Anyway, I feel the same way as you do, working from a reference someone else made, unless it's a specifically made reference sheet I only use to plan out a pose. The only time I work from reference is when it's some throwaway picture, like fanart or some shit, other time I feel like an original idea carries the picture more than just skillfully copying a photo. There's a chinese artist that does faux-trad in digital very nicely, but all of his pictures are just some chinese insta-whores repainted with trad brushes in photoshop, it's very tiring to look at
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>>7710278
> now I feel lied to
I was disappointed as well. In the first place, because the photos are better. Maybe its the context with this American sheets, they use for prisoners.
The photos are more interesting, they look wicked and sad and dumb.
At the same time the photos look curated, which hints to a darker context of Nazi skull measurement and connecting ugliness to higher rates of criminality and so on.
Very cool photos, they artist was able to capture some it but added nothing. Its like a mediocre translation from photo to painting.
I felt similar quite often. If i have a photo thats interesting im asking myself what im even doing. The postmodern photorealism approach is not mine. I dont see the irony in larping a printed, i feel just stupid.
Then i tried to paint from "bad" photos, to have room to add something. Its better, but harder (harder in a not so pleasant way) to achieve good realism.
Working from life works way better for me. But there is the problem with locations. I dont really like the country im living in, at least im not really inspired by what it looks like in these days. Especially the region im living in. I feel 0 desire to paint things around me.
I painted some interior, food, toothpaste and so on. Was fun. But i would prefer a naked woman or dude in a historical setting.
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>>7710115
> Also, wasn't there a general about materials, papers, tools and whatnot for trad artists?
There normally is, if its not there make a new one.
Its funny, in a perfect world there would be 0 reasons to split those two topics, but in reality the people in both have not too much in common. Material threads are mostly for nodraw consumers.
Sometimes when i need infos on an ink or pen, i look it up at youtube and there are a lot of people, completely obsessed with buying colorfull ink bottles of inks and pens for hundreds of dollars and they are not artists and not even calligraphers. Just normies obsessed with pens for no reason.
Actually, its often harder to find a review by an artis, rather than by a collector.
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>/trad/ shittalking nodraws
LAWL
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>Thread derailed in 5 posts
/ic/ is fucking dead.
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>>7710708
>>7710659
pyw
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>>7710764
>no work
>trying to pick a fight online instead
part and parcel of posting in a /trad/ thread
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>>7710771
> >no work
>>7709773
> First new oil painting in a while.
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I have done a series of drawings with Raiden as the principle part of the composition. Here's one
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>>7710777
Heres 2
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>>7710778
I like 2 the best.
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>>7710780
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>>7710778
pose and torso is great but the forearm looks wrong, what ref did you use
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>>7710777
>>7710778
>>7710787
butt not big enough
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>>7709768
pastel, this ones really small 5"x8"
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>>7711799
oops
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>>7711802
how old?
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>>7711936
she said she heard of limp bizkit so old enough
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Acrylic makers or Alcohol makers for a beginner?
How many colors should I buy?
This is what I want to achieve.
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>>7711936
Objection! Relevance?
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>>7711802
that's actually pretty good

Is anybody following Colleen Barry's Patreon or Substack? Seems to be some good stuff there, would love it if somebody shared it.
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>>7712148
Can we go two threads without you shilling your shitty wife?
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What's more easy to learn but hard to master and produces the best looking results?
Gauche or watercolors?
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>>7712152
I discourage paying for her work, I encourage piracy. If anybody know a way around substack's paywall, please share
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>>7711957
Watercolor
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>>7712148
> Colleen Barry
Not this stupid cunt again, fuck you John. I pirated your stupid course, its shit, havent even watched it...
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My fault, the op picture is too faggy.
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>>7712199
No
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>>7712222
Hmm, im the trad police and i tell you to buy watercolors and not some soulless markers.
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>>7712333
I'm bad at mixing colors, I want to start drawing trad stuff but I want some training wheels first.
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>>7712347
> I'm bad at mixing colors
Thats the point though.
Painting is 50% mixing.
Using markers i a very graphical and illustrative exercise. Nothing wrong with that, but when you really want to paint you need start mixing.
Try a limited palette Zorn/Apelles or even Ultramarine and Burned Sienna or different red earth.
With such a palette as long as your values are right, you cant fuck up the colors. Through the limitedness it will be harmonized in the end.
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>>7712380
If you can, give me good video course guides for trad painting then.
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>>7712396
Try Will St John's, he's awesome
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>>7712414
Expensive though
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>>7712417
But worth it
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>>7712414
> Will St John
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>>7712417
> Expensive though
Paying for courses? What are you a neolib? Just torrent whatever you need.
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>>7712414
found where?
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>>7712434
>torrent
No! You could get a virus! You must pay and acquire the material through the propel channels!!
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>>7712396
everything you've ever wanted to know about watercolor
>inb4 too retarded for a book
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>>7712508
Thanks
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>>7712380
Another question, is art like pic related done with makers or watercolors?
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>>7712566
acrylic markers if it were to be made by hand
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>>7712566
digital, dumbass
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>>7712579
Really? any examples?
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>>7712566
Its cg, the sky is probably a photo with filter.
If you want your art look like this, why dont you use photoshop? Whats even your motivation to use trad?
You can paint quite cg like with trad materials, but its advanced, cos you have to fight the medium all the time. Every medium hast its "natural" look and if you fight it, its always harder. And really unnecessary for noobs.
Like you could use oil, to make it look like watercolor. Yes. BUT its makes no sense for a noob.
You want cg, use cg.
Cg evolved
>>7712434
the last years, its now easier to make photoshop look like trad, then the other way around.
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>>7712974
I've been doing digital art for years, but I always yearned to paint in trad.
I started here because it was cheaper to learn the fundamentals without wasting money on materials (and I was poor and young at the time, now I have the money to properly learn)
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>>7712964
you can look up acrylic marker examples on youtube and the like, I'm mostly saying this because it is the easiest medium to do flat coloring on, however it might not be the case, it could be made using tempera for all I know, but it's most likely digital art.
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>>7712982
Yeah, honestly the difference between cg and trad is bigger than you probably think.
I dont think its the way for to go, to try to make trad look and feel like cg that you already know.
I think it makes more sense to take it as it as, as its own thing. Ther is of course a big connection between digital and analog, but dont force it.
Look ap art thats traditional, something you like, Miyazaki, or other flat and cartoony people. And then try to paint like them. Have fun, do it for a while and over time, you may merge both medium, trad and digital to one style. Or maybe not, maybe you will like the separation of the two.
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>>7713156
> or other flat and cartoony people
I mean, do that if you have to.
I would suggest to look at real painting. Not illustration, but painting.
Something mainstream, like Sargents watercolors for example. Cg is illustrative, therfore it can hard for cg people to understand the difference between painting and illustration. But the difference is very distinct and important.
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>>7713140
I've seen those yt examples and they already sold me out but I really need to see art like pic related (for the opaque finish) done with acrylic makers to see if I should pull the trigger and buy them.

Also what I mean by this picture >>7712566 is not where it was made but the finish look it has and what could be compared to.
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>>7713156
Yeah I know that the two are completely different mediums, but like I said in the other post I learned digital in order to prepare myself for traditional, as in the fundamentals only (values, color theory, perspective, textures etc.) because the materials are not the same.
This >>7711957 picture for example was my first ever painting using gouache and it was fun.
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>>7713314
yeesh, anon
you're making my pee-pee hard
stop it
jk please go on
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>>7713330
> picture for example was my first ever painting using gouache
Good, and whats the problem?
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>>7713410
Nothing, just an example of what I could do with what I learned in digital.
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>>7713445
> Nothing
Why dont you just paint another one?
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>>7713513
Becuause >>7712347
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>>7713528
> I'm bad at mixing colors
And painting with markers will make you better at mixing?
Markers aren't training wheels, they're a wheelchair.
If you want training wheels for mixing, start with a warm/cool limited palette.
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>>7713538
>And painting with markers will make you better at mixing?
No.. The colors are already mixed I just have to put them where they are supposed to go. This is to get mileage on real paper, eventually I will learn how to mix my own colors.
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>>7713541
> The colors are already mixed I just have to put them where they are supposed to go.
You did it, you convinced me, can't see anything going wrong, you have my blessing, son.
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>>7713314
>they already sold me out
wut
>for the opaque finish
wut
>but the finish look it has and what could be compared to
it looks digital, it doesn't compare to trad in any way whatsoever
the closest you'll get is gouache/poster paint but lineart will be a fucking mess on paper, they'd do it on the opposite face of the cel before digital
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>>7713541
FYI this is who you're talking to.
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>>7713569
>>they already sold me out
>wut
I think he wanted to say "I'm sold" or some variation of that phrase
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>>7713544
Thanks
>>7713569
Opaque as not transparent
And I know it looks digital and it is digital, that's not the point, the point is that I wanted to know the equivalent of that style in real life. Because i've seen jap artist do pieces like that in trad media.
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>>7713572
Idk, she looks like she knows what she is doing.
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>>7713605
>Opaque as not transparent
I know what opaque means, do you? what is an "opaque finish"? you posted oil with visible transparency, I have no clue what the fuck you think you're asking for
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>>7713616
Eh.... let's leave it at that.
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>>7713622
retard
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>>7713632
Yes, I'm bad at explaining things.
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>>7713643
you're not bad at explaining things, you're too full of yourself to admit you have no idea what you're talking about and actually learn
you've spent like 20 posts acting like a retard, asking nonsensical question based on how you're imagining materials working and dismissing everyone telling you that's not how it works
I asked a simple question about your query in an effort to help you and you've acted like a 12 year old redditor
kill yourself, nigger
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>>7713648
Calm down man, I'm not here to fight with anyone.
No, I'm not getting full of myself. And yes, I don't know much about the material and that's why I'm here. I'm using the words opaque and transparent to make my point a bit easier to understand.
Here's a summary, I like a style of painting that has thick strokes that have almost zero transparency and rely less on blending colors with each other, so that means little smoothness or gradients, and more bold colors one of top of the other.
I believe that acrylic makers will help me get there in trad art as a getaway to eventually learn proper normal painting, like I said above, what I want to see is more art made with them to see what are they capable of, because by searching both those and alcohol makers I see more art made the latter so that made me drop into this thread to make that question.
The digital picture that I posted was meant to ask something out of curiosity and it's not related to the main point.
Also this anon >>7713576 got that post right, I just phrase that wrong.
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>>7713666
phrased"
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>>7713666
There's shitloads of blending, gradients and transparent layering in that image.
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>>7713685
Yes, I said little not non-existent.
Now compare it to this pic, there's now a fuckload of them.
You can see the strokes and shapes in that first one, I like that kind of work and the ones that go a bit more beyond that, like Impasto.
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>>7713666
That's not how painting works at all, just shut the fuck up and pick up a tube of black and white
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>>7713700
Sure, what do you want me to paint?
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>>7713711
I want you to stop shitting up the thread with this inane theorycrafting
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>>7713721
And I think you should take it easy man.
And it's fine, I will paint something and post it here later.
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>>7713745
I'm typing on my phone while wasting time at work, kiddo, this is taking it easy
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>>7713695
> You can see the strokes and shapes in that first one, I like that kind of work and the ones that go a bit more beyond that, like Impasto.
What do you think is impasto?
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>>7713666
that pic is fucking good. Reminds me of Edgar Payne. I assume you were heavily referencing another image, right?
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>>7714295
Not my art sorry.
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>>7709768
https://www.youtube.com/live/r-_mfJKfgAU?si=hTAEdMtN3xWPaBew

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First attempt at acrylics coming from a few years doing mainly digital. I had a lot of fun mixing colors and it felt more rewarding compared to the usual flat looking digital work I've done up until now, it also made me realize how much I am carried by the undo button and now I crave texture
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>>7716535
nice values
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>>7716535
I would harmonize the colors a little bit more and the turquoise drop shadow looks weird, way too saturated. Otherwise its nice.
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Used a ballpoint pen on a shitty piece of paper
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>>7716886
Thank you!
>>7716902
I appreciate the feedback! Agreed that the drop shadow looked off, but I couldn't quite see what it was at the time
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1 month painting, first time using gouache.

Also how do you take photos of things without the shadow of your phone appearing and also getting the correct colours? I tried to edit it so the colours look more similar to irl but should I just use a scanner instead or something
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Makin this joint
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>>7716927
Based 'saw Alphonso Dunn's drawing in the other thread' anon.
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>>7717627

All your colours are muddy. Are you using artist quality paints?
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>>7717551

This could be a lot better if you painted the pepper from life. I can tell you used a photo because the lighting is very flat. I think if you added more saturation to the midtone it will become a bit more threedimensional. Don't be afraid of using more hue variation, ie go a bit more purplish (cooler) in the shadow parts, and more warm red in the midtones.
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>>7717636
What moody means. I don know id have to check they arent very good it feels desu. Is still like 60% way through so a lot of it is failing to spread paint quickly for rough draft. The cloak is a bit muddy though and that is more developed at least the upper part and arms so that should be because I want to avoid using pure colors like pure white so i mixed with red and brown and same with wings those have red and brown and white mix so it looks more pro or renaissance shit.
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>>7716522
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>>7717775
https://www.youtube.com/live/r-_mfJKfgAU?si=vmu0F7xI5-mlA8dN
in progress
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>>7717672

I don't think I fully understand what you are yapping about. No one said to use a colour straight from the tube, you can mix a 'clean' colour perfectly fine. Read this: https://drawpaintacademy.com/muddy-colors/ A painting generally does need some muddy colours in areas of low interest and such but that's an aside. Her skin looks dead. Brush up on your values as well.
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Idk why but lately the fact I’m totally unknown on all social media platforms annoys me. I sell art, I even sell art for a lot of money sometimes, but having 100 followers on INSERT DATA MINING APP pisses me off. I really don’t think it’s what people say, that I’m “an ass hole online”, because that has nothing to do with a post that’s just a painting with relevant hashtags. Anyways I’m fat and retarded.
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>>7717631
Thx man
I'm kinda drawing those images daily from now on
I don't understand how tentacles work
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>>7717975
> Idk why but lately the fact I’m totally unknown on all social media platforms annoys me.
You should work a little bit more on your fundis, I'm sure when you keep learning, one day you will produce something decent.
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>>7717781
Alright I have been starting to be more mindful abuot keeping colors pureer/clearning brush before going in again, replacing watah, thanks for advice
>yapping
lel
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>>7718000
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how the heck do you spread acrylic in canvas? it dries up even in the color palette immediately i dont know, i gotta put a ton of water for it to work but if i do its diluted
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>>7719998
For starters, acrylic paint is shit.
Prime your canvas with a gesso tats not too absorbing. Prewet the surface before spreading the color. Use a retarder to have longer opentime.
Also there are special flat acrylics to paint big flat shapes.
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Yeehaw
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>>7720424
Can you explain it?
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>>7720507
nope. was thinking of dark souls and the music video for The Widow by the mars volta while i painted it. the reference was a Sorolla painting
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Can I use art acrylics like Liquitex to paint minis instead of buying 17ml bottles?
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>correct a piece
Or
>Make a new one with the corrections aplied
Im always scared the corrections will actually ruin the original work
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>>7723697
if it needs corrections, it's not what you want in the first place, who cares?
if you fuck it up, you'll be better prepared for the rework
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>>7723820
I guess that makes sense. I think sometimes before overworking made things worse and I shouldve stopped earlier. But not reworking it makes me feel like a pussy because then its a risk I dont want to take.
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ded
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>>7724779
good
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As seen in the latest issue of Plein Air
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>>7724924
>American tech billionaires create tech that’s meant to destroy and enslave humanity
>old Asian lady: “you say no sense, just use hand and brain”
Based
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>>7724924
I prefer Kelly's work, now that's something soulless AI will never match
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Holy shit, /sp/ is posting better art than you chuds. Aren't you ashamed of yourselves?
>>>/sp/150727659
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>>7725040
that might've been an own had we posted any, dumbass
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>>7725044
never said it wasn't, dumbass, just saying he sees /sp/ a better place for his art than this fucking thread. Shameful.
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>>7725046
read that again
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>>7725052
ah.
ok.
I am dumb.
ok.
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Ballpoint pen and marker criticism welcome
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>>7709768
https://youtube.com/shorts/gnPZ90vs93E?si=34C-ow-K6hucEjyF

Time
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>>7725298
>criticism welcome
I think its too pink.
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>>7725337
What are those retarded sounds?
The painting is nice, from what i can see, i like the textures.
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>>7726794
It was drawn while looking through a Virtual boy!
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I started oil painting today and I got okay results on a value exercise. I don't like the 7, 3 or 2 sections because their colors are pretty muddied/uneven, but It was fun putting something down on canvas. I'm not sure if the results I got were because I used a prepared canvas; is using gesso cheating? I wanted to get raw linen but couldn't be assed to drive to the good art store in the city.
Now I have too much fucking paint. How do I save it, or could I use it for a monochrome fire painting exercise?
>>7725298
It insists upon itself
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>>7726884
Oil out your palette.
>is using gesso cheating?
?
>I don't like the 7, 3 or 2 sections
Dont blend the strips so you can judge the tone better, yours are visibly off.
>Now I have too much fucking paint.
Knowing how much paint to mix is a skill in itself.
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>>7726902
>Oil out your palette.
fuck, I knew I was forgetting something. Too late for that, I suppose.
>?
As in should I be getting untreated linen and applying oil grounds to have more control over the overall work.
>Dont blend the strips so you can judge the tone better, yours are visibly off.
The strips themselves of their edges? I wound up blending them because I really like blending
>Knowing how much paint to mix is a skill in itself.
So can I scrape it off and put it somewhere else? I can't store my palette like this.
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>>7726966
>So can I scrape it off and put it somewhere else?
Sure. But it will not be quite as smooth as fresh paint.
>untreated linen and applying oil grounds
Applying oil to raw canvas is wrong. Modern postmodernist do that, but the old masters never did.
If you have oil ground put it on your pre-rpimed canvases. You could even apply one more layer of gesso before oil ground.
Pre-primed canvas always needs additional work. You can buy premium, and you dont need to do anything, but its very expensive.
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>>7726966
>Too late for that, I suppose.
Not really, clean it a little bit and put linseed oil on, you can use the leftover paint to stain it as well
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>>7727002
I cleaned it off as well as I could and oiled it. The leftover paint's staining it with some nice grey hues. I'll do it a couple more times over the course of the next few days here. Thanks for the tips. I'll come back to it once I get a better head for what I want to practice painting and once the palette is finished
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is ti normal to want to eat your paint?
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>>7726797
It's a pen drawing not a painting and those sounds are me.
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>>7713162
Nice watercolor
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>>7725298
Looks like there's a filter
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There's a big sale for Holbein acrylic gouache at my local art store and while my main wet medium is oils, I also enjoy painting with gouache, so this sale is a siren's song. Thing is, I have watercolour brushes that I use for regular gouache, and if I get these Holbeins, do I need to get a whole new set of watercolour brushes instead of using the ones I use for regular gouache? Different binders and stuff. My gut feeling says yes but I can't really figure it out conclusively. I reserved my expensive sables for oils but most of my gouache brushes are good quality synthetic watercolor brushes too... Don't really want to buy a whole new set but I also don't want to ruin what I own.
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>>7727204
>is it normal to want to eat your paint?

No. It is actually a disorder known as Pica:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pica_(disorder)
>Pica is the consumption of substances with no significant nutritional value such as soap, plaster, plastic or paint.

I was given Lead White Oil paint back when I entered college. While I did not actively ingest it, I'm sure I probably accidentally ate some in many of my manic night-time painting sessions. Lead stays in your bones for decades. Even if it is "non-toxic", the metals used in most paints are just plain harmful. There is even a hypothesis that the amount of crime in the US stopped increasing in the 1990s because of the removal of Lead from Gasoline.

I recommend getting some brightly colored berries and putting it into some Greek Yogurt and eating that instead, you can pretend it is paint.
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>>7727619
are their any berries that turn your yogurt grey?
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>>7727619
Eating most artist paint is by definition not pica, because the mediums generally do have nutritional value - eggs, oil, gum arabic, honey are all nutritious and eaten by humans.
Pica is eating dirt and plaster and shit
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>>7727496
I wouldnt use my watercolor brushes for acrylics.
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>>7727697
if you were smart, you wouldn't use acrylics
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>>7727496
Acrylic gouache is just matte acrylic, calling it gouache is just a marketing gimmick for hipsters who are too cool for popular mediums, it's nothing like gouache.
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>>7727705

I heard that before but then I watched a vid where someone was using them and it looked really nice to work with, very vibrant colours and behaving similar enough to gouache. I fucking despise acrylics though, worked with those when I first dipped my toes into painting and I will never go back. Thanks anons.
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>>7727701
How would you feel if you had no breakfast this morning?
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>>7727745
I'd feel like I should take up acrylics given I'm too inept to feed myself apparently
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>>7727204
oils smell tasty
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>>7728533
You need to study anatomy, tone and perspective before even touching a brush.
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>>7729400
brian is the most successful artist here by a massive margin, and probably top 3 on the board, know your place, pleb
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>>7729482
Haha, sure. It's pre-beg shit, lol.
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>>7729482

Lol. Lmao even
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Just when I thought the newfags left after school started
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>>7729482
hi brian
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>>7726884
Stop wasting your time and paint on black and white values, you won't use them. Avoid black altogether unless you are working with a very specific color palette
You are just starting, stop making shit harder than you need to. Raw linen? Learn to properly gesso a surface and you can use anything to paint on. I recommend cheapo mdf boards, prime sand and gesso yourself
Get a piece of glass and use it as a palette instead of that wooden shit that absorbs paint. I recommend a cheap pochade box (dyi if you cant find any). This way you can just close the box when you are done with the paint, so you dont have to worry about "storing the palette with paint on it"
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>>7729400
Its traditional painting. No one cares about that shit other than begs that need excuses to not paint.
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>>7730302
>No one cares about that shit
That's what the postmodern cabal brainwashes you into thinking
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>>7730302
All the best schools seem to have their students start out on charcoal and graphite before even touching brushes. It makes sense since working in monochrome with lines and shading forces you to render out details much more accurately, as the smallest mistakes are noticeable. When you come from drawing/draughting, paint brushes seem like they're made to make mistakes look good.
>Its traditional painting
It's impressionist.
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>>7726884
Update: The paint finally dried and I've seasoned my palette. I've also been working on some other stuff, and I saw a comment on a YouTube video that a simple depiction of a lemon made by a professor was the best thing the commenter had ever seen, and more than a hundred people agreed with her. I've held a paintbrush less than two hours and painted this in about 45 seconds. Is painting that hard for some people?
>>7730301
>Stop wasting your time
Anon, calm the fuck down. That exercise took thirty minutes and I bought more paint in the meantime. It's not like there's a bomb about to explode.
>Learn to properly gesso a surface and you can use anything to paint on. I recommend cheapo mdf boards, prime sand and gesso yourself
I have stacks of leftover unused canvas from people who went through painting phases and I got a large roll of acrylic primed canvas for fifteen bucks.
>I recommend a cheap pochade box (dyi if you cant find any)
This was my plan. I've been looking up blueprints that people have given out and I should be able to go outside and paint with one in at least a month. If I can make it fit a glass cutting board I bought (don't ask), then that'd be perfect.
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>>7718000
Sick octopus. Maybe one where the tentacle is coming straight out and foreshortened? Maybe start painting!

Here’s a watercolor I just finished representing Odin as a snake on his way to steal the famous Skald mead.
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>>7731752
>I've held a paintbrush less than two hours and painted this in about 45 seconds
And that's what it looks like, what's your point?
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>>7732406
that my lemon that looks better than a professional artist's lemon would boggle the mind of that commenter, and I don't know why this seems so prevalent in oil painting
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>>7732523

... you should google the Dunning-Kruger effect
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>>7732670
Here's the lemon I'm comparing it to.
>Dunning-Kruger
I thought zoomers moved onto saying everyone who says something incorrect has "cognitive dissonance" or a "bias disorder" of some sort
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I feel so basic doing skeleton studies but they can be entertaining.
Yeah, the teeth look bad
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>>7732523
>and I don't know why this seems so prevalent in oil painting
>>7730302
>No one cares about that shit other than begs that need excuses to not paint.
Its people like this, art-marxists, not be confused with social realism.
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>>7732805
those values and temperature are light years ahead of what you did lmao
you can't genuinely be this delusional
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>>7733014
>those values and temperature are light years ahead of what you did
which side, the wrong version or the right version? Because this was a demonstration of what not to do. Let's see if you read well enough to know what's what. Also "the temperature is better" no shit Sherlock he primed his canvas with ORANGE.
I don't know why I'm trying to illustrate a point to you retards anyways. I'm waiting for my paint to dry and there are several more productive things I could be doing.
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Oh, he mad.
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>>7731828
I would but I have exams to worry about(it'll be until November that I can dedicate my days to drawing seriously)
The last piece I made was this shroomy image on the train
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>>7733049
>Because this was a demonstration of what not to do.
Another anon here, what do you mean? This lemon >>7732805 was a demonstration on what not to do, but someone in the audience liked it anyway?
I mean, im not sure, what he tried to demonstrate. The shadow is half warm half green which is a little bit strange. The terminator on the lemon should have more or less the same brown color.
The green reflexes should be underneath the terminator and you would hae to put it into the shadow on the table. And of course, the orange imprimatura is not naturalistic. Its abstract, like when you draw on white paper, it does not literally mean that the background ouf your scene is a white void. If it were, the white void would interfire with the lighting on the subject.
The same here, whe paint the lemon as if it is in a naturalistic envirement with realistic light and the orange imprimatura is just the surface and does not interfere with the lemon. The lemon is not painted as if it is in an orange void.

Aaanyway, this lemon has hue variaty and reflexes and so on, even if they are "wrong" they are still way more interesting. You have just painted a flat patch of yellow.
I mean what do you expect.
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>>7733113
>The shadow is half warm half green which is a little bit strange. The terminator on the lemon should have more or less the same brown color.
That was exactly the point of the example.
>You have just painted a flat patch of yellow. I mean what do you expect.
Oh, yeah I guess the picture isn't too good. It has color variations, a shadow, highlight, and some stippling to depict pores, but it doesn't come through too well since I took a picture on a camera phone.
Still, my larger point is that people who get into painting seem to be impressed by even the slightest bit of accuracy. That guy's throwaway lemon garnered more attention than I thought it deserved. It's a fine lemon.
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>>7709827
>when your style is transformative enough, that the result does not trigger copyright laws
have you seen E33? the game characters straight up look like famous actors and I doubt they asked anybody to use their likeness.
>using prison photos for free profile and frontal view
huh, that's actually genius
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>>7733129
>Still, my larger point is that people who get into painting seem to be impressed by even the slightest bit of accuracy.
What exactly was sad about this lemon?
I mean for some people such a manner of painting is peak. Nice clean color, loose brushwork, chiseled form... such fresh and lean back technique is very hard to fake. 'Cause it is implying that the artist has a lot more knowledge, skill and experience than a normie would see in it.
I mean look at Brian, the whole thread is sucking his dick. But he would not be able to paint such a lemon with oil. On a very good day, using chalk, probably. But not oil, he cant get rid of mud in his oils.
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>>7733142
>look like famous actors
And who is that? Is that the James Bong guy who is memed on tv for having a fat wife?
Anyway, in this case its about the liking, not copyright. A 3d model based on a photo is grey zone. A 3d model has no fixed angle of view and lighting like a photo.
Anyway, famous actors in video games is a completely other can of worms. I hate it for several reasons.
>huh, that's actually genius
Im very sure it was done a lot in fineart. Its a popular trope to use photos of prisenors and enemys, took by fashistic regimes and give them an another context. Postmodernists call it intertextuality.
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>>7733158
>Is that the James Bong guy who is memed on tv for having a fat wife?
yes, he got aped hairstyle and all with 0 "artistic liberties"
same with Gustave being Robert Pattinson, and i'm sure if you look harder into it you'd find the other characters are 1:1 with some actor.

it's odd to me because Scarlett Johansson was able to tell an AI company to fuck off from both using her actual voice or anything close to her likeness after they tried their luck anyway, so technically actors can sue for likeness if they want to.
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>>7709773
me likey, try to introduce a stronger gradation of blue tints into the receding landscape next time :)
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>>7711957
Reads very well good job! Do more like this
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>>7733343
I did, but for some reason the camera is catching the orange layer underneath more than what my eyes see irl.
But im digital-fagging for while now, anyway.
I think i overcorrected too much, after seeing all the ai slop i wanted to quite digital completely. I think i will aim for a healthy mixture in the future.
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>>7733144
I don’t take credit for work I didn’t do myself, that’s something gay people do. Comparing traditional art in general is kind of gay, it’s better to critique it on its own merits or else you’re just backseat gaming. Sportsfags do that shit, and it’s annoying then too. “COME ON HIT THE BALL YA BUM”
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>>7733438
yikes
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>>7733590
did you use AI for the background in this one?
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>>7735181
No.
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hello anons, if i'm not going through some psychosis there used to be art supplies generals back in the day but i can't find one atm, my best bet is here

i've gone back to digital but for years i was obsessed with watercolors, hoarded lots of them. i'm trying to reduce my belongings and working digitally now, they gotta go. depending on my wallet i either sell them or donate them to art schools/students. some of the palettes have seen better days though. i've seen some 3d printed watercolor cases, has anyone dipped their toes in 3d printed art supplies? i'd prefer a watercolor experience but i love reading so you can yap about whatever medium you wish
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>Vending at an art fair
>boomer karen comes up and gushes over my animal portraits.
>"Oh yeah, I do pet portraits!"
>"Oh my gosh really??? I have like three I want done!"
>chaching.gif
>She and I part ways after I give her my info and pricing options.
>She sends an email with what she wants done next day. I respond in less than a day with all the details and potential pricing.
>she never responds again

It's always the same type of fat, ugly, spinster, doglady, boomer bitch that does this. ALWAYS.
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>>7733591
nice horse
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>>7735210
You definitely used some trickery. The background is miles ahead in terms of quality than the main figure and the other paintings you posted.
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>>7736128
What are you talking about?
The background is a rush job.
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>>7735924
Thanks.
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>>7735755
give the prices early on, grounded in a proper cost estimation
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>>7736363
>grounded in a proper cost estimation
You sound like such a shithead.
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>>7736363
saar, please do the needful estimations properly and groundedly for the costings
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>>7736363
>give the prices early on
I'm guessing you didn't really read what I posted, because that's exactly what I did.
Also you reek of ESL.
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>>7735755
I know people who live off of pet portrait comissions only, so there is a market there. Maybe you should look for clients online? Big instagram presence etc
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Are liquitex acrylics good for someone too much of a pussy to use oils?
What can one expect from them?
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>have exhibition
>woman keeps mentioning how drawn she is to one of my paintings, "wonders if I sell stuff too"
I could tell her it's 300-400 USD and see if she will get it (about standard price for a larger framed image in my area from an "early career artist"), but I want to hold onto it for now as I feel it's one of my best pieces. Is this irrational?

How do I get over letting go of my paintings? It's hard to sell even something that was done in less than an hour because I know all the personal history that goes into each of my unique pieces. On the other hand that's probably exactly the reason why people are looking to buy, because they know that images like that don't come along every day, that they are "inspired" in some way.

Also, it's kinda flattering that they say things like "I know you will make it big one day", but then it seems kind of mercenary how they imply "oh this will be worth so much in 5 years :)))", like my artwork was an investment asset for their portfolio.

Thinking that I should make a high-quality scan/photo of each thing I sell and make a spreadsheet at the very least if I get to the point where I'm ready to sell.
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>>7737716

Acrylics are shit. The Liquitex basics you posted are student quality so pretty awful to use fyi, if you really are dead set on acrylics you will want a brand like Golden. I know people tell beginners to use student quality but that is bullshit. Fuck acrylics altogether though, use oils, there is nothing to be afraid of.
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>>7737716
the only problem with oils are the fumes if you cant work in a well ventilated area. Otherwise they are easier to work with than acrylics
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>>7738190
I think they smell good
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>>7737942
>but I want to hold onto it for now as I feel it's one of my best pieces. Is this irrational?
Depends, why did you paint it? To make money? Then yes it is irrational. Having a sold painting in your portfolio is much more valuable than not. Just document them properly before selling.

>How do I get over letting go of my paintings? It's hard to sell even something that was done in less than an hour because I know all the personal history that goes into each of my unique pieces.
Once again, why are you painting? What do you gain from holding on to those pieces? Isn't a photo of them enough?

>Also, it's kinda flattering that they say things like "I know you will make it big one day", but then it seems kind of mercenary how they imply "oh this will be worth so much in 5 years :)))", like my artwork was an investment asset for their portfolio.
maybe, maybe they are just trying to motivate and/or invest in you :)
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>>7738198
sure they smell good, then you get a headache 10 minutes in that lasts the rest of the day
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>>7738221
yeah if you're bitchmade
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>>7738198
lead tastes good, doesn't mean you should eat it
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>>7738190

For the hundredth time: oil paints do not produce fumes, it is the solvents that do. It is not necessary at all to use solvents, you can paint without them absolutely fine.
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>>7738287
yeah, but you do use solvents, so for all practical purposes, the point stands
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>>7738287
if you are going to oil paint without solvents might as well just go back to eating crayons
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>>7738287
Does anyone actually do that, or is that like saying you can paint watercolors without water "just fine"?
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>>7738317
>>7738342
>>7738346

I do. The only time I use solvents (sparingly at that and only gamsol) is when I clean my brushes for the day after a session.
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>>7738362
...you're gonna turn out to be the Frieren guy, aren't you
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>>7738367

nah man i don't care for animu.
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>>7738362
There are retards on youtube rubbing watercolor cakes on paper too, the question is do you actually produce anything of any worth like that?
I've never once seen any capable painter not using solvents.
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For fuck sake just use medium directly instead of solvent, I know for a fact no one here is trying to work in so many layers it will yellow if you do, you only use solvent if you want to thin paint for the earliest layers possible or are looking to save on medium which was only the case in the past because now turpentine and other solvents still cost an arm and leg as much as medium itself.
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>>7738362
Then you don't really know a lot about oil painting. That, or you live in a stuffy basement.

Solvents are an important part of the entire oil painting process. And if you believe they are purely used for cleaning brushes, then you're retarded.
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>>7738401
>turpentine
Only idiots, or your hobbyist grandmother use turpentine anymore.

Use Gamsol or mineral spirits.
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>>7738407

Jennifer Gennari hardly ever uses solvents, same for Scott Waddell. I think I'm good with following their practices instead of some rando on this shitty board lol. Also this guy got the idea >>7738401
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>>7738287
I think these retards don't even know what solvents are. Guys, you can paint with oil, you can paint with liquin, you cad add Damar varnish, you have any kind of medium you want. Just don't use solvents (turpentine and other similar products) and you'll be fine.
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>>7738346
you most definitely can. use oil to thin your paint. it'll just dry much, much slower, that's all.

oil is (chemically) a solvent for ... oil!

there are many reasons as to why people use solvent with paint. for example, le traditional medium is 1/3 damar 1/3 oil 1/3 turp the damar varnish is diluted in turp to begin with, the extra turp allows among other thing for the varnish not to be too potent.

I would actually recommend begs to start with tubes and some oil as a solvent/medium/brush "cleaner"

>>7738401
many mediums are contain solvent (turp, mineral spirits)

>>7738407
not necessarily, really.

>>7738408
not him;the smell of turpentine is delightful to me. I also tend to prefer stuff I'm not supposed to breath in too much to have a strong smell

>>7738436
as stated earlier, damar, a resin, is typically melted in solvent. liquin most definitely contains hardcore petrol-based solvents as well.

anyway, a common trait of knowledgeable people is humility. a common trait of ignorance is boldness and rude behavior.
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>>7738470
>as stated earlier, damar, a resin, is typically melted in solvent. liquin most definitely contains hardcore petrol-based solvents as well.

any rubber product inside your house right now contains petrol-based solvents. That does not mean they are toxic. The question is whether they evaporate into the air or not. Liquin does not evaporate into the air, therefore it does not release any toxic fumes. If you swallow a spoonful of it then yeah, you might have problems. Otherwise you're completely safe using liquin.
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>>7738477
and just in case anybody is wondering, lead paint should be totally fine for normal use. Lead paint is only toxic if you eat it (pro tip: don't eat your paint) or if you inhale its dust (pro tip: don't sand your paintings if you use lead white). In any other use case, lead paint is totally safe to use. You can touch it, you can smell it, you can look at it, you will be fine.
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>>7738436
Liquin and damar varnish absolutely do produce fumes and vapors, along with many other media used with oil paint. No one listen to this idiot.
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>>7738367
>turn out to be the Frieren guy, aren't you
Solvents are for noobs, actually. You need it only for the first 5 minuts of your painting. Other than that, it only breaks the consistency of the paint.
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Pic related is the best solvent free medium i ever used. That is a real medium and not just oil with alkyd resin like Graham walnut alkyd medium for example.

>>7738477
>Liquin does not evaporate into the air,
It does.
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>>7738509
Is that stuff clear?
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>>7738477
> WARNING: FLAMMABLE. VAPOR HARMFUL
> Contains: PETROLEUM DISTILLATES.
> Provide adequate ventilation

https://willkempartschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Liquin-original-safety-sheet.pdf

>>7738483
> touch it
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/63158/

you can touch it a little once it a while, but you if you paint like a little pig, it's not so great. many stuff are toxic with repeated exposure to medium to high doses. small doses every now and then, andyou should be fine

and overall yes, lead isn't that dangerous
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>>7738512
Yes, but what does it matter? You're supposed to mix it with your paint.
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>>7738521
It's a valid question. Many oil media additives are not clear and can affect the color of the paint. Liquin is a good example of this.

I'm glad I no longer paint in oils much and switched to gouache. Works up like oil without all the maintenance.
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>>7738526
You mean be physically changing the paint?
No its not a thing, and even if, you can see the color and adjust it.
The bigger problem is the chemical effect a medium can have over time. And this effect has nothing to do with the color of the medium.
There is one historical medium, called black oil it can alter the hue a little bit in the fresh state, but its a different topic.
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>>7738526
>switched to gouache
I switched to digital, for a while at least.
But oil paint is the perfect painting medium, if you have problems with it, its solely a skill issue.
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>>7738470
>oil is (chemically) a solvent for ... oil!
are you retarded?
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>>7738540
>if you have problems with it, its solely a skill issue.
Say that to my face and not online, see what happens.
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>>7738620
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent

> A solvent (from the Latin solvō, "loosen, untie, solve") is a substance that dissolves a solute

isn't it correct then to say that oil is a solvent for oil? oil paint is in essence oil+pigment. you can dissolve the oil in oil paint with external oil. this external oil can be selected for various properties, thus altering the behavior or handling of the original oil paint.

we can also say that oil is a medium for oil.

water is a solvent for water as well. but it's less useful artistically speaking.

> are you retarded?
if I sound like a retard to you, I have bad news.
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>>7738702
>dissolve a solute
>oil is (chemically) a solvent for oil
learn english, you dumb fucking nigger
oil paint is a heterogenous suspension, the oil doesn't dissolve a solute neither in the context of the paint itself nor in adding oil to it
diluting =/= dissolving

>we can also say that oil is a medium for oil
>water is a solvent for water as well
holy shit, do they even have elementary school in whatever shithole you've crawled out of?
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>>7738717
>>7738702
You are both retards basically
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>>7738681
>Say that to my face and not online
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>>7738477
>Liquin does not evaporate into the air,
I used Liquin Fine Art for the first time yesterday, and that shit stunk up my drafting table bad. I'm used to solvents and fumes from cosplaying and mechanic work, but Liquin was up there as one of the smelliest solvents.
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>>7738785
I confirm, it contains some cheap solvent, it smells like gasoline.
But on the other hand its probably the fastest drying medium out there, so very good for ground, imprimaturas and so on.
Liquin impasto smells way less, and has a better consistence.
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>>7738470
>many mediums are contain solvent (turp, mineral spirits)
>are contain
Good morning saar! Yuo are ESL brown facking Indian but I will help you anyway!
The mediums you speak of saar are mixing other mediums to make new ones with unique names saar, anything from Maroger medium, or simple brand name "thinning medium."
Medium is a big word saar, is used to mean painting, oil painting, oil binders, and oil concoctions. It is our bad as English because we English speakers use words and sounds interchangeably, as you ESL's know and have difficulty with.
Please note however that my saar, that because of this, medium "can do the meaning" of both mixtures including solvents that are the harmful to the lung, as well as simply meaning linseed oil, flax, etc, saar.
Hope this is of "the help" to you in becoming number 1 painter in India saar!
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>>7738812
This but unironically
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okay solvents are gay or cool or whatever, but anyways how do I save this tube of flake white that's been sitting in my garage for about twentyfive years? It's pretty damn hard.
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A few hours worth of painting over the course of the week. It's been fun and I can't wait to see how the pomegranate will turn out
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>>7738990
>It's pretty damn hard
If it's polymerized, nothing can be done at this point.
Try to cut it open, there may be a soft paint in the middle, that you can still use.
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>>7738990
Honestly, throw it away. A new tube will cost you what, $20? Otherwise you'll spend hours trying to paint while fighting your pigment. Seriously, your time is worth more than that.

>>7738994
you suck right now but you're the only one painting itt, keep going and you'll be better than all of us in no time. Is that cardboard you're painting on? Seriously, at least buy some oil paper, it will improve your painting experience so much.
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My new year resolution was to visit more museums. Took me a while but today i did it.
Its truly much more fun to look at real art and not a monitor.
Pic related was crazy impressive.
All the medieval art is so much more than just a flat 2d picture. The wood structure, the gold leaf you just have to see it live. Seing it in a church would be be probably even more engaging but still.
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>>7740206
dat lighting tho
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>>7740214
It's just the photo, couldn't find any better, it looks normal irl.
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>>7738812
> Good morning saar! Yuo are ESL brown facking Indian but I will help you anyway!
I'm white, Western EU;too bad. thinking that being a native English speaker makes you somewhat superior, is... unflattering at best.

> Please note however that my saar, that because of this, medium "can do the meaning" of both mixtures including solvents that are the harmful to the lung, as well as simply meaning linseed oil, flax, etc, saar.
not sure if I got you right: I genuinely meant to say that people use for instance linseed oil as a medium. that is, as you would use a store-bought "medium", to alter the behavior of paint out of the tube.

with oils alone, there's already enough diversity to alter the behavior sensibly.

>>7738717
if I use safflower oil to slow the drying time of a linseed oil-based paint, is it still dilution?

> anyway, a common trait of knowledgeable people is humility. a common trait of ignorance is boldness and rude behavior.
anyway, you guys are so tiresome. always fighting and bickering, unable to have civilized conversations
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>>7740367
>Western EU
pajeet detected, literally no european would say he's form "western eu" lmao
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>>7738219
I want to be successful in the "I hang out with other artists in artist residences and curators say nice things about me and my work is in some institution's collection" which I guess is all doable if I keep making quality stuff for 10-20+ years.

Cash is nice but when a work feels good enough I want more than a couple hundred people to see it. If I sell it to an old lady then by the time I have my retrospective at the end of my life who knows if I'll be able to loan it from her heirs.

Only real use of selling I can see is if I could hit a certain threshold where I could start thinking about "spending more time on making art than on my day job" (which I already do though, lmao). But that would require a big mindset change.

In my head right now I have a box of things I think of as [money making-art] (doing pet portraits, anything that feels sellable) and [fine art art], which for me is often quite personal and rooted in the context of that year, that month, so if I sell something it's likely that I will never have anything quite like it to show later on.

It's all quite complex though, and maybe just having my art up in people's homes would increase my meaningful reach way more than instagram ads and small town exhibitions.
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What a stupid conversation, oil is a medium for oil paint, yes, you figured it out.
>>7740371
It's common to differentiate between Eastern and Western Europe in Germany, not sure about other countries. Although we are in the transition state right now, Western part of Europe get slowly a bigger shithole. So in 5 to 10 years, he will probably drop the Western part.
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>>7740476
He didn't say "Western Europe", did he?
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Any tips before i continue further
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>>7740510
don't
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>>7740510
Render it a little bit more
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>>7740512
interesting i thought it was goated so your comment caught me by surprise, but now i flipped it and it doesn't look good
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>>7740510
maybe you were planning on doing it later, but think about saturation levels. Your figure should be the most saturated, then the tree in the middle ground, then the background castle thing, last the sky
Otherwise you're putting everything on the same plane
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>>7740525
ill try. do you think the woman looks good? i flipped it and i dont know. she looked very good to me before. now i got used to the flipped version lel.
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>>7740543
she looks alright I guess. The trick to get better is to keep practicing, you know this. Work on this a bit longer and if you don't like it, then start something else. Flipping your work, or looking at it through a mirror, is a good way to see the mistakes your brain doesn't want to see. Do it often.

And if you so some shadows where the figure touches the ground, you'll get a much more grounded effect.
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>>7709827
>>7710278
"When you paint from imagination, your work grows inbred with mannerisms."
As long as you are an impressionistic painter and not a photo copy machine, painting from real-life references will produce more original and surprising art.
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>>7740569
>"When you paint from imagination, your work grows inbred with mannerisms."
Which is good, right?
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>>7738526
gouache is nowhere near as durable as oil though
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>>7739214
>A new tube
kek
>$20
No one tell him
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>>7740510
is this watercolor? if so, you are not good enough to paint such a thing in watercolor; please practice in a different medium
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>>7740710
cause you clearly have no sense of tone or how to structure values in your painting niggeR
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>>7740733
jealous
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>>7740738
rofl
please read a book on fundes
your tower in the background is impossibly dark for such a lighting condition. the gradations in the sky and grass(?) are also too strong and break the mass. all rookie mistakes friend
you need to do indirect painting with a monotone underlayer and think carefully about light and dark
squint at your painting constantly.
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>>7740744
fe-er e-nough [spoiler] nig [/spoiler]
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>>7740738
go get gaped by tranny nigger cock then.
no one on 4chan is going to stroke your ego for your mediocre artwork.
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>>7740822
whatever man its not that serious
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>>7709768
Painting how I feel
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>>7740683

Getting flake white outside of a nanny state of Europe is zero problem. And it also is a dirt cheap pigment to make but could be it's a bit more expensive because a lot of manufacturers phased the colour out.
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>>7741033
you need literal horse shit and a space to put it to make stack white yourself, and time
i do intend to do it one day though
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>>7740683
>>7741033
not this fucking argument again. I can buy this 110ml tube of lead white for $20 including shipping to my door, and yes, I'm in europe. We've been over this: lead white is available, no store actually cares about the fucking regulations, just ask and they will sell you the stuff. I know at least one other anon has bought this same pigment based on my recommendation.
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Anyone know of a way to get a pocket t square of sorts? I'm looking to use one for my 3.5x5.5 journal. It's a very VERY niche item but I'm curious to know if anyone has any clues. Sliding bevels was my next plan but I don't want the knife to fuck my shit up. And if anyone says "put tape on the point" then proceed to the bin. :3
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>>7741043

Once again thanks for that tip, ’m probably that other anon, i got mine around a year ago, and I still have plenty but last week I wanted to buy another 110ml tube but the website says it’s not available anymore so I’m fearing the worst. Do you know anything about it, I got the impression they won’t restock it? Other items that were out of stock had another message. There were only 2 tubes of 20 ml left but with like €10 for shipping alone those small tubes are not really worth it for me…
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Flake white, has lead. I hope the OP and everyone replying knows that.
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>>7741191

hurdurrrr thank you for your insight, very helpful
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>>7741191
>Flake white, has lead. I hope the OP and everyone replying knows that.
What?
>>7741043
A friend of mine used this white, to paint this.>>7709773
And he had problems to cover the imprimatura.
The pigment concentration in this paint is not terribly high. Still better than premium titanium, though.
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>>7741043
>lead white is available, no store actually cares about the fucking regulations
no, the real issue is that retards here don't understand what the regulations actually regulate
they don't actually make lead white illegal
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>>7741284
>The pigment concentration in this paint is not terribly high
exactly because like I said >>7741330
the regulations don't make lead white illegal, they regulate lead concentration in paint
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>>7741284
I'm not really sure what's going on, lead white is supposed to be somewhat transparent (different brands rate it as semi-transparent or semi-opaque) while titanium white is supposed to be the most opaque of all. And that is my experience so far, that Silver White is somewhat transparent, while my WN tit white is super opaque. Zinc white, on the other hand, is super transparent .
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>>7741371
It should be transparent, yes, but it's definitely not as high pigmented as say Old Holland (i never usue OHs lead, or any other lead though)
So i don't have a direct compressing. But i think i have enough experience to differentiate between paint having filler and pigment being transparent.
>>7741330
Japan is not part of eu.
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>>7741409
>Japan is not part of eu.
Are you retarded?
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>>7741409
colombia isn't part of eu either, but you can't import and sell cocaine, not sure what point you thought you were making
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P.S. i would still recommend buying it. The price fair. And mixing is faaar better. I worked for years with titanium only. I i tried sw once and it was better from the beginning. First time using it felt more intuitive compared to a decade of experience with titanium.
Warm pinkish skintones are impossible to mix with titanium. Using red cad with titanium is truly a waste of money, titanium makes everything look like its under cheap office lights.
I mean of course you can make it work, but i will never go back. I will smuggle it in my prison porch if i have to.
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>>7741415
>Are you retarded?
I wish, but no free neet money for me.
>>7741417
But you can buy and sell lead in Nihon.
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>>7741418
>prison purse
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>>7741423
yeah, and you can buy and sell cocaine in columbia, but you're not in columbia, you dumb nigger, things need to pass regulations to get over the border
that's why you have regulatory labels like "for italy only" on certain packaging, because italy has different regulations that need to be met
look up lead paint regulations, it just needs to be a limited concentration to get in
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>>7741429
It's possible. Or it's a niche product in low quantities and nobody gives a fuck.
Otherwise, European brands would produce flake white with law quantities of lead, but they don't do that.
Holbein has a premium line as well, it's absurdly expensive, so I'm not buying it, but you can't sell premium paint with such a low amount of pigment.
>look up lead paint regulations
I don't waste my time on reading shit bureaucrats came up with, to secure more jobs for the manager class.
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>>7741441
>Otherwise, European brands would produce flake white with law quantities of
no, because european paint is actually good and european companies follow a tradition of paint making and holbein is literal garbage that is renowned for cramming as many different pigments as they can fit into each tube
unironically 30% of the fucking lineup comes premixed with pw6 ffs, both for oils and fucking watercolors
shittiest """artist grade""" manufacturer imaginable
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>>7739214
>A new tube will cost you what, $20?
A new tube of flake white goes for around 130 anon
>you suck right now but you're the only one painting itt
I know this is /ic/ and I'm supposed to be self-denigrating, but I'm not going to pretend that the righthand apple looks bad if you ignore the stem and botched top-divot-thing (the left one looks like a goddamned pimento). The pomegranate turned out okay for what I wanted, but my lemon (modelled after one on my tree) looks more like a pomelo. The "canvas" is giving me a hard time because it's so slick.
>Is that cardboard you're painting on?
Yeah LOL. I've been painting for less than two weeks so I'm not trying to burn through relatively expensive material to put down scribbles; I'm using what I have.
>>7740846
I see a barrel of monkeys and a seapony
>>7741071
I've seen tiny ones at antique malls. Try one of those, but prepare to get raped on the prices. Also try Michaels
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>>7741441
European companies do produce lead white
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>>7741455
your colors are ok but you have no volume. You can paint without volume, it's fine, the impressionists did it. But if you want that 3d effect, you gotta try harder buddy
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>>7741477
are you talking about all of them?
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>>7741482
the green lime is a better effort at volume, but still not there. All the others are uber flat. Again, not everybody wants to paint volume. But if you do, you're still not there
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>>7725298
>that saturation on everything but the characters
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>>7741457
>European companies do produce lead white
Means?
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>>7741710
Means you need to stop insisting on your blatantly wrong idea of the status of lead white in Europe The lead white you're using doesn't hold a candle to the ones available on the American market, and frankly Holbein is a meme company coasting on Japan's reputation
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>Means you need to stop insisting on your blatantly wrong idea of the status of lead white in Europe
Show me a shop selling it in the eu
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>>7741734
It's not sold because they're making high concentration lead white that can't be sold commercially in most of Europe, unlike the Japslop you're buying, so they sell it to Americans instead
UK has the exact same regulations btw
Again, lead white isn't illegal, you're not being clever and getting lead white under the radar because "le stores don't care" and "le regulations aren't enforced", and European companies are in fact producing lead white, you're just buying a regulation compliant product that is lower concentration than traditional lead white
And again, like I told you last fucking year, test have shown that certain PW1 labeled tubes are in fact notably adulterated with other pigments, usually chalk
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>google lead legal status
>US has a 90ppm lead content limit for paint
>Based Belarus has 150,000ppm lead content limit for paint
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>>7741752
So its not sold in the eu. Why exactly are you wasting my time then?
>European companies are in fact producing lead white
What do i care in which shithole of a country it's being produced, if i can't buy it?
>like I told you last fucking year, test have shown that certain PW1 labeled tubes are in fact notably adulterated with other pigments, usually chalk
Not like i warned people of its low pigment load 10 posts ago.
I mean, you understand missing the context in every reply is making you look like an idiot?

The only thing that is a subject to discussion is the reason, for jabs being able to sell the Silver White.
You fucking retard, my point was that if there is a limit, why wouldnt other brands offer a product according to this limits.
>old holand is producing flake white
This reply makes no sense at all.
>its is cut
Thas what i said.
>you cant by led pain in the eu
This explains a lot.

You are so proud of being English native, but your text comprehension is quite low. Grammatically right low iq shit is still low iq shit.

You may be even right, as i said i dont know and i dont care for the reasons, for its is not changing the material conditions.
>>7741760
>Belarus has 150,000ppm
So only 15 ppc, lold?
>US has a 90ppm
0.09% pigment concentration? Makes no sense
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>>7741800
I don't know if you're retarded or attributing some of the other posts you're arguing with to me, but either way you need to learn English and stop shilling shitty paint
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>>7741818
>you need to learn English
Im learning Japanese, to read original manga, no time to waste on your peasant speech.
>shilling
Bayu Sirberu Waitu, baka gaijin, beri beri gud paintu, Madu in Nippon, desu!
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weebs are a blight on this general
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>>7741490
all but the "lemon" were done in soft light. There's a shine on the apple and less of one on the pomegranate. The lemon's completely fucked but I'm just rolling with it
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>>7741726
>The lead white you're using doesn't hold a candle to the ones available on the American market
which ones are available in the american market? Because I know for a fact that people at GCA, probably the most skilled academy in the US, uses Michael Harding Cremnitz white as its main white.
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>>7742137
which you need a loicense to buy in yurop
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>>7742281
Yes, but you can buy it only for restoration, you can't buy it even as a professional artist.
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>>7741490
I'm calling bullshit on this. The apples pass the squint test and the pomegranate a bit less so. The lime has clear "volume" but it looks like shit.
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>>7742521
whatever you say, bro

>>7742281
>>7742330
First, you're admitting that not all lead white manufactured in europe is shit, which was your point. Second, you need a license *IN THEORY*, but like I said before, if you go in person to any store, they'll just sell it to you. All my friends here in europe use MH cremnitz white as well.



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