This place will decimate your ego but I personally believe that it's an essential process if you ever want to successfully develop as an artist.

With digital making art more accessible than ever it's lead to the bar being sunk through the floor. You need meaningful and insightful critique by your peers and seniors if you want to truly progress. This board plays host to quite a lot of established and accomplished artists too.

I wouldn't bother with reddit, where any serious critique gets you downvote for being too mean :(((

>>7710773
those motherfuckers will keep praising you without actually looking at your post.

But /ic/ on a good day, will call you mentally ill, nigger, tranny, but wiill actually look at your stupid scrawlings. Maybe you'll get people to redline your shit. But generally tell you to re-read Loomis/Bridgman or make you redraw your attempt.

Also 4chan don't give a shit if you upload PDFs and share it here directly. Reddit seems to hate that shit

>>7710773
No, it's absolutely horrible. A dump, a trashheap. No one on this site knows how to give critique, let alone know enough about art to say anything useful. It's filled with empty parroting and dunning kruegers everywhere that give horrible advice to sound smart. Then you have the retards who think good critique is somehow related to personal attacks or insults. Yet another proof how absolutely horrid this website is for art advice. Never come here. The dwellers who live here are a lower life form. The absolute worst thirdworld subhuman scum. Reddit is a hundred times better. Everything on this website is about sounding smart and being an insufferable douchebag.

>>7710781
It sounds like you can't cope with any critique. You probably would be better off on reddit with the rest of the developmentally arrested circlehuggers.

>>7710786
exhibit A.

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>>7710781
>Reddit is a hundred times better.

>>7710788
Nope. I regularly provide advice and redlines. Post your work and I actually will redline it for you if you'd like once I get home from work. Whether or not you'll actually accept the advice will be up to you.

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There's a common trick you can use in those places to get honest critique, use an alt account and completely demolish your own work, say it's traced, say it's uninspired, say the linework sucks, call yourself a tranny, etc.

The karma system on Reddit and the faint presence of the mods on forums creates some sort of bystander effect where everyone wants to talk shit but nobody dares being the first in line because what if they got downvooted, what if this got them banned ? But the moment some other guy jumps in and says more or less what they would have they'll feel justified in posting something like

>first of all, YIKES, my they/thems dudettes, I do not condone what the other guy said, BUT the perspective /anatomy/ whatever could use some work, here's a tutorial...

>>7710790
Of course I won't. Your first kneejerk reaction was to hurl insults at me, just as i outlined in my initial post. It's about ego and being a douchebag.

>>7710773
for critique you need trust between giver and taker
the giver should trust that the taker will understand the critique and not take it as a personal attack (impossible in sites like reddit, which sugarcoat everything into uselessness)
the taker should trust that the giver is skilled and understands the intent behind a piece (impossible in most sites, since most critique givers are generally unskilled and do not try to understand what each person's goal is)

>>7710773
I do believe (but can't prove for certain) that there are better places to get critique e.g. paid art class discords or dedicated teachers, however what 4chan excels in compared to other open web art critique places is that people here are free of hugbox expectations. If anons think something is wrong or that your ego is too big they'll tear you a new one, which is very useful to temper yourself from random art haters you'll meet outside here. You do need to be smart in picking and choosing the criticism you get since not everyone is here to help or are brilliant masters themselves, though

>>7710792
Yeah, this place will break your ego down and it'll be upto you to build back up again through discipline and study. I already outlined that here >>7710776

If you can't handle that then get out of the frying pan my man, we're trying to cook.

If you need cririque, ask for it specifically. Then when you get critique, first check if it's concrete and whether it offers specific fixes. If it doesn't, disregard it.

You will have easier time if you connect with artists with similar subjects and DM them and ask them brutal feedback with no sugarcoating.

>>7710773
>Is 4chan the best place to get critiques?

No. Due to the anonymous nature of the board you don't know who is giving you the critique, you shouldn't take criticism from everywhere (you can put your work out there and see what the most common critique is though). On 4chan You don't know if the person know what you want, and getting it from such a wide variety of people from all walks of life can lead you in different directions. Also if you go to the /beg/ thread you'd see that it's the blind leading the blind there and will praise anything rather than give a good critique. Try on different discords with sketchbooks to see the art of who's giving you a critique and just talk shit on here while waiting for an answer.

>>7710796
>free of hugbox expectations
This is such a backwards way of thinking though. Most people who cite things like that as their reason for coming here are people who are trying to normalize emotional abuse or unloading their negativity on innocent bystanders.

Real art advice should be inoffensive enough to pass in a "hugbox". People who complain about hugboxes are either very bad with social skills or exactly the kind of people that shouldn't crit. Your perspective is skewed by being here too long. Insults are not a normal part of critique.

>>7710773
I refuse to believe the only choices we have are Reddit and 4chan. There's probably a great art critique forum somewhere out there, but it'd have to be walled up to keep out the howies and schizos.

>>7710797
>this place will break your ego down and it'll be upto you to build back up again
No need to break anyone down. This is a faulty assumption. You are just clueless about art but still want to feel superior about something, so you act tough since that's all you have.

The fact you open your post by saying I can't handle critique just proves that you are the kind of idiot trying to substitute real substansive critique for ego checking and empty insults. You have not learned basic human decency in your thirdworld shithole.

>>7710805
qualified feedback costs money, at the rate of around 800 bucks per 8-10 week course
you get what you pay for

>>7710801
I agree that there's no need to be deliberately offensive or negative, but from having taken IRL college art classes I can tell you that some people are too sensitive to handle even gentle critique. These people generally fall into one of two categories: 1) the "delicate flowers" (usually women) who are actually brought to tears when errors are pointed out in their work; and 2) the people who are outwardly tough and seem, on the surface, to have a very high opinion of their own artistic abilities, but it's all a facade and they actually have very fragile egos and will react angrily and aggressively when their work is critiqued — throw the easel to the ground and march out of the class.

You don't have to berate the student with stuff like, "How can you not see all the errors in your drawing? Do you even have eyes?" But you do have to point out the errors and show them how to catch the errors themselves. If their default response is, "That's just my style" or somesuch, they shouldn't be in an art class because they can't handle critique.

>>7710808
Of course you can pay for a school or teacher, but it's nice also to have a community with peers who are helping one another.

>>7710801
>Real art advice should be inoffensive enough to pass in a "hugbox"
The thing is though there are places that do ignore inoffensive critique because of an audience that can't handle criticism, e.g. ignorant underage artists who deflects criticism with "muh style!" or are generally very sensitive.

I agree that best critiques (in /ic/ and otherwise) are the ones that are constructive and not automatically the ones filled with the most insults. However, the lack of a hugbox thing isn't about letting the critics run wild with insult-laden shitposts, it's about being able to call out ignorance and stupidity from the artists themselves without fearing too much about keeping a public social image.

>>7710821
the problem is that with just the nebolous goal of 'getting better' there's not much in common in such community
a twitter nsfw artist will not have the same goals as a concept artist or a children's book illustrator
compare a board/discord of random artists vs something like fzd which had a group of peers with similar interests, goals and commitment levels

>>7710821
I'm not going to waste time and energy on randoms and risking them having bad reactionvand turn into another schizo stalker. That's why I only give critique when asked one-on-one

>>7710791
I would love to see it in action

>>7710781
pyw

>>7710789
they told him about grids, sight size, and comparative measurement. told him to keep training, and somehow is this bad feedback? literally better than "draw the boomer heads in loomis". its strange how you picked this as an example because generally reddit is a hugbox full of shit it advice.

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Just saw a recent thread on there where someone asked if the proportions were wrong. One of the replies was
>We are not all symmetrical. I feel that it's unique and you shouldn't change it
Lmao

Yeah, I'd say this board is one of the best places to get critique, but with a caveat; you need to know how to sniff out crabbing bullshit.
A lot of this advice on this site may be given in a overly terse or even mean way, but that's just what this site's culture is, and you should have expected it when posting in the first place.
I personally suspect a lot of people thrive with the harsh criticisms, more so than with positivity; not everyone mind you, but enough people that this board remains important in many people's art journey - that may be funny to some, but I've heard a few interviews with artists where they mentioned this board as being important to their development.

In regards to anons who say there are dunning krugers or amateurs giving advice... well no shit, this is a public forum, and you're asking for critique from the people on a public forum.
Even then, someone who may not be as talented as you at drawing can have some wonderful nuggets of wisdom, or insight, that can be really helpful. Hell, a lot of advice needed isn't really in regards to drawing, but something adjacent to it. It's so snobbish and elitist, and frankly childish too, to ignore someone else who's passionate about art, and likely studying like you are, and assuming they have nothing to offer.
Of course you also need to have the basic intelligence to be able to recognise and discard the well meaning but useless advice, which is probably what the snobs lack and is why they get so butt hurt over it.

>>7710806
Clueless about art, maybe that's true, but I've been in a position where I've had many tens of thousands of followers from my art, so I guess I was doing something right. I'm willing to bet that's more success than you'll ever see. You can cope and say that metrics don't mean anything, but when it comes to making money with your art, yeah, I'm sorry, but financially it's the ONLY thing that matters.

I'll stay clueless about my art, and you can keep your ego intact.

I don't live in a thirdworld country btw. I kind of fucking wish I did due to exchange rates n art comms allowing you to live like a king in some countries. It's ironic though, you talking about petty insults and then trying to close with a grasp like that.

>>7710990
>I've heard a few interviews with artists where they mentioned this board as being important to their development
Heard where? I'm curious to listen to what other places they mention to be important to their development.

The best? No.
But you get good honest takes buried underneath the faggotry
There is a reason why we have good artists here

shitty empathy

>>7710773
Some of the worst advice I've read has come from anons on this board. Shit like draw Bridgman twice, ignore gesture, never practice imagination drawings etc.

I ignore everyone here. Also there's a real bias towards moeslop so if you draw that you won't get serious critique.

>>7711120
>ignore gesture, never practice imagination drawings
nobody says either of these things lmao
for gesture it's not useful unless you can already imagine figures
i don't know why so many of you stick around if you think the critique is bad

>>7711120
>Some of the worst advice I've read has come from anons on this board
I dont doubt that
>I ignore everyone here.
I doubt this. I swear the amount of people who post here, yet also claim this is the most worthless people in the world is hilarious.
If they truly felt that way they would have left.
Not only are you here, but you even came back after the hack, when we lost a good number of posters already.

>>7710773
some discord servers are ok but the thing is that people that know the shit are not your personal teacher so of course they have things to do, also is common that they people who ask turns in this kind of "blog poster" and then non stop posting shit, people get tired, and avoid giving advice, or you have the tipical faggot taht ask, get advice and then comes the next day like "this is better?", nigga it's been just a day you didnt improve for years and you want the shit instantly now. People just got tired, specially people that knows how to teach and just find retards that dont even know how to actually learn something, i mean i read that some americans cant even write they own names and cant do math, so yeah.

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>>7710773
I think the best place to get critique is either a mentor, or a private discord of some sort. This place isn't the worst, but it also isn't' the best. There are people here who will give you honest critique, but there are also a lot who will just tear you to shreds. In my personal view, I'm more likely to ignore criticism if it's presented in a destructive, insulting way. I really think that critique should be done more matter-of-factly, instead of overly emotional. You're pointing out errors to fix them, not to break someone's ego. But I'm also not gonna sit here and say some people don't genuinely deserve that but that should only be like a last resort.

This last point I think might be more controversial but you also don't have to follow every piece of criticism you get. I think this can be more so applied to advanced artists instead of beginners, who probably should really follow that advice. But either way, if a critique you get genuinely doesn't follow whatever goal you want for your art, you don't have to follow it. I think it's always good to think about the critique you get, consider why someone says that thing. But whether you follow it is completely up to you. But doing that successfully also requires you to be really honest with yourself, which can be difficult for some.

>>7710773
>>7710781
this place is called /insufferable crabs/ after all. i just lurk pictures here and keep my own shit to myself. only silly garbage belongs on this board.

>>7711275

It comes from "Oekaki" (i) + "Critique" (c), I think.

>>7710781
You almost had it until the end…

>>7710805
Unironically discord and patreon, you just have to look for it

>>7710773
Join one of the generals, post regularly, don't be afraid posting in such a way that lets people know you are the same anon. It's actually easier to give critiques to anons you can recall previous pictures they've drawn because it gives more context/a broader picture. Take harsh critiques on the chin and be satisfied if they point out only one or two main issues, of course your drawing is horrible and everything sucks but those are probably the worst areas or silliest mistakes and focusing on them is more achievable than to fix "everything".

smaller but dedicated discords are probably miles better, but gl finding a good one and even better luck getting in. Overall the art journey is a lonely one.

>>7711368

Just get a trip with a hard as shit passcode no one can guess instead of doing all of this convoluted Rube-Goldberg shit you mentioned.

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Hide all critique/advice posts without images or with smug reaction images and it becomes the best place aside from small-to-mediumish discord communities.
Pointing out flaws and low points in art 80% of the times with words fucking sucks, and having to smother your post in imgur links on reddit just feels retarded.

>>7710773
Genuine advice from a high level artist. Critique is an incredibly overrated beginner trap. If you cant "see" your art and critique it yourself you're ngmi. You need to expose yourself to a vast amount of art in whatever field you're aiming at. Professional and amateur. Realistically compare yourself. Objectively look at your work. Refine and repeat.

>>7711461

You're not a high level artist. Get a fucking trip and PYPortfolio then we'll talk.

He might not be a high level artist but he's correct.
Critique is useless to you if you don't even know what you're looking at.

>>7711461

>>7711545

Samefaggot.

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shut the fuck up, tripfag

>>7710773
4chan is the best place to get the wrong advice, so just do the opposite of what they say

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>>7711468
I'm not going to pretend to be some art god, but he's mostly correct. Kind of. At least for low level fundies stuff like most people are concerned with here. Either you know how to draw a box, or you don't. You know your anatomy, or you don't. You don't need someone to list off all your mistakes, your mistakes are obvious if your honest with yourself, and that's not really what critique is for. You should be able to tell if you can't draw a box. Critique is for interrogating subjective qualities like themes and the effectiveness of your artistic decisions. It's not whether or not you drew a thing correctly, it's whether or not /how/ you drew the thing says what you wanted your art to say.

That isn't to say you can't ask for help with a particular subject. But it needs to be stressed that guidance is not critique. You need to know exactly what you want to work on and ask particular questions so you get particular answers. Because if you ask people for a general 'critique' on beginner work, you're just going to get a vague copypasta that says you did everything wrong, because in all likelyhood you probably did. Teachers can only grade homework if they know what the curriculum is.

>>7711563

Another perma/beg/ who is allergic to PingHW. What the hell is with the shitty takes today? Is it all one guy?

>>7711566
The fuck is PingHW

>>7711461
>>7711563
I've been thinking the same thing. I'll see a lot of people asking for advice or critique on things they should really be able to identify as 'wrong', just lacking in execution. Almost all of the resources and guides you need are a google search away, you don't necessarily /need/ critique from anyone to improve at that stage.

>>7710773
where can i see all the reddit cringe?

>>7710781
I have gotten infinitely better due to the help of 4chan
From like permabeg looking shit to art people actually commission me for
I think this place helps you if you can notice your flaws quickly after seeing them pointed out and not get offended, know not every redline is an actual improvement and look at it objectively when taking advice, do NOT use loomis, do a lot of gestures, and when a piece of work is done ask "Would I follow this if I saw it posted?"
For me these were all essential things I learned here as well as some actually good, not "Draw the rest of the owl" tier tutorials

>>7711563
yea I say critique is most useful when you start executing works that are approaching being correct technically but lacking in aesthetics. Developing an appealing style through your entire body of work (portraits, figure drawing, imagination sketching) is a bitch - hope you like master copies - and it's pretty incredible that some people reach this without any help.

Most problem with beg works are bad proportions which is something you don't really need to be told. critique is an /int/ game

>>7711563
you are replying to an anon who never posted his own work once

guys, I need some critique on my [literally any other form of art] project, any advice?
>Your technique for [A] is off. You should try doing [X/Y/Z] instead. This [resource] explains it well.
guys, I need some critique on my [drawing] project, and advice?
>LMAO FUCKING BEGLET
>Bridgman x100, Bargue x100, Loomis x100, and a 10 hour study session. Every. Single. Day.
>Have you tried drawing 10,000 boxes? If you haven't drawn minimum 20,000 boxes you aren't even trying. Just fucking kill yourself if you haven't drawn 30,000 boxes at least.
>That's cool and all but have you seen my anime OC???? Look at it. Asian jeans.
>if you are asking for advice you are NGMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>7711804
Salty bitch

>>7710773
The critique here is generally more useful than the advice. People can tell you what looks off about your drawing but it falls apart when they try to tell you how to improve according to their unqualified personal beliefs.

Overall, on one hand you get critiques from /ic/ that people on normalfag sites would sugarcoat to the point of being useless in order to protect your feelings. But on the other hand you have to deal with stalkers and psychos who download your drawings and make posts impersonating you

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>>7710773
4chan isn't the best for anything, you're better off getting constructive advice on Twitter/X. Not to mention, at least there it's obvious when you're talking to a bot.
>everyone seems to be a permabegschizo
You just described /ic/. Every artist worth their shit just comes here to get resources and leaves.

Don't give actual anonymous strangers on the internet validation by taking anything they say serious. If what they said mattered then they wouldnt be here.

>>7710781
based gatekeeper, keeping beginners out so that over time the average skill level increases as time passes and the overall quality improves

>>7710800
>you don't know who is giving you the critique
Why does this matter?

>>7712131
Advice is only helpful so far as it can be demonstrated to be effective. Beglets misinterpret advice all the time, beglets don't know when or where certain advice is actually applicable, beglets just make shit up. It doesn't matter if the advice is being relayed from a credible source, if the person saying it can't walk the walk, it's safe to just dismiss it as bullshit.

But there's really no reason you can't do that with a redraw/redline. There's plenty of regulars here that people can recognize by the way they draw.

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I love the beginner reddits, there is some quality lolcow material there. Nobody will ever take any form of advice anyway, so I don't feel bad laughing at them.

>>7712379
which subs should i troll to get find lulcow material?

>>7712379
>That fat dude from line-of-action.com
I dub him Lord Lard-ass Demotivator of PermaBegs

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>>7712423
Learnart, beginnerartists, learntodraw, originalcharacter, and even just drawing are good.

>>7712442
thank you

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>>7712438
He is very confident with himself at least

>>7712457
This soulmogs 99% of /ic/. Also post moar

>>7712131
>Why does this matter?

Because maybe what they like isn't what you like and now they're affecting your art. Because maybe the person giving the critique has a bad assumption and you follow that critique down a rabbit hole that either waste time or fucks with your art plans. Also this >>7712202

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>>7712459
The Pepe eyes, midget legs and Lego man hands are what sold me on it

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This doesn't appear bad actually

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struggling with anatomy, any tips?

>>7712457
The gun suck ass but I like the expression. Work a little better on the body next time.

>>7712379
These look like my gestures ngl

>>7711120
draw bridgman twice is advice from david finch. but it's not for beginners

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>>7711120
PYW, drawing Bridgman twice is based

>>7713046
Those aren't even gestures, you can see the cubes and cylinders underneath. Guy is just lost in the sauce.

>>7711314
yeah like you cum for hung trannies fucking you to death?

No seriously
Is there a website actually alternative to 4chan where you can post nudity and people post their work to admire and censorlessly critique?
I legit don't know where I could go if 4chan got shut down or something.

>>7710773
Don't think there is as brutal a place as ic for art. There used to be ca.org and cgtalk but those are long gone.

It's all about discords but you got to be lucky to find a good one. Could start with by joining some art youtuber discords, be active and interact with artists you might want feedback from.

Closest normal website i could find is crimsondaggers which has a somewhat similar layout to ca.org of old. People don't post there for likes at least, and there is a nice variety of skill, better than reddit and feels like an actual community. There's a general positive atmosphere but not overly so and if you explicitly state you're looking for critique you can get some good stuff.

The only place to get real critque is from friends who aren't pussies. Any public form is going to either hugboxed to hell or full of dk retards. The main use of public posting is just to determine how interesting your art is based on how many people get excited by it.

>>7711461
100% true until you're at a fairly competent level. When you're a newfag everything you do is ass, and you need to learn how to look at your art before you learn anything else. Critque is for when you're actually a artist but are not always making the right choices, and need a second pair of eyes to help advise you what you've done that's weak and what you've done that's strong.

LOL no this place is terrible for critique. It’s nothing by crab nodraws who saw Whiplash and confused being an asshole with having anything to say.

>>7712379
Mogs me into oblivion

>>7711804
Based truth teller

>>7713501
>Don't think there is as brutal a place as ic for art
Blackpilling? Yes. Brutal? /ic/ in 2025? Are we on the same site? I haven't read a 'brutal' critique in a while

as a /beg/ the most useful criitique is being told what you should stop doing. And people here will tell you to stop bad habits that nobody on twitter will tell you.
If you're pretty good already then it'll be hard to get good advice from 4chan.

>>7710773
>ever being cruel to a pre/beg/
shame on you anon, at that state, you just encourage them to keep going. There is no serious criticism to give them, leddit is unironically in the right here

>>7713160
bridgman bro!

>>7711563
Kind of. The problem with your argument is that you don't know what you don't know in terms of fundamentals.
>picrel
Sometimes you can ask for critique on something and be completely blind to all the mistakes you're making, sometimes even your peers can be blind to it. That's why getting critique can be valuable, as it can allow you to see problems and think about things at level you previously couldn't. The only issue here is that in order to do that, the giver of the information has to be at higher level than you and is effective at showing you the potential solutions. A lot of cases it is about being more "honest with yourself" but after a while that doesn't cut it anymore to keep progressing.

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I still prefer this place because i can openly call you a faggot and be called a faggot.
>but muh toxicity
No place on the internet is good nowdays, if i want a reddit reply like this pic >>7710789 filled with perpetual positivity no matter what instead of pointing out how bad the jaw, lips, proportions and perspective are i would use chat-gpt instead.

Yes, 4chan is still a bad place but you can filter out the noise and try out the tips given if you got enough patience, also the resources and books i got here are good.

I'll end this thread since its gone on long enough.

The only actual objective advice that exists is
>DRAW EXACTLY WHAT YOU SEE
but that doesn't even work because real life has no lines, so when you get to the nose you're stuck. You have to somehow translate subtle curves and bumps into hard binary lines. This introduces stylization and subjectivity.
So the actual true advice is
>SIMPLIFY WHAT YOU SEE INTO LINES
And now you can see how people are stuck here. Like the guy in the OP drawing the eyes way too close together, that's objectively wrong and can be corrected by just looking at the drawing and noticing "why did I draw the eyes so close" but most people don't have that level of introspection. They don't really understand that drawing is all about doing it wrong first and then looking at it and drawing it again with changes. It feels a lot like studying math or some other unfun shit.

Learning how to draw things proportionally has nothing to do with creativity, its just pure work. So people are avoiding it and can't admit that.

>>7714422
That means you don't look at and analyze enough art, not that you don't get enough critique. You can't just offload your analytical skills on other people, that's not learning, that's bruteforcing the problem.

If you draw anything, ANYTHING, and you don't know, implicitly, that there are thing that can be improved, you aren't going to get anywhere. It doesn't matter if you catch all the mistakes. Fix just one mistake in each subsequent drawing. Draw enough and you'll fix a whole lot of mistakes. The problem is that most people either don't want to admit to their mistakes, or don't want to draw.