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i don't know what's worse, motivational grifters or "controversy" grifters

>anon finds out ytubers are all hustlers
dont forget to like and subscribe so oyu can find out the super secret recipe on how to make breathing liveable again just by following my 10 step course for premium memebers for §49,99+tax per word
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>>7717780
>art sure sounds like a fucking hassle for something that should be fun
Getting good at anything is a bit of a hassle, yeah? It can be fun, and it can be tedious.

>>7717780
all youtube art tutorials are catered to autistic permabegfaggots like Gabe, Howie, and Cris.

It pays good!

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>Wow cool art seems like it was done by a lady but let me check it out for the art itself *click*
>"BORN IN A TIME WHEN IT WAS RARE FOR WOMEN TO BE IN ART--"
>Wait but there's another one right there in the suggestions *click*
>"BORN IN A TIME WHEN IT WAS RARE FOR WOMEN TO BE IN ART--"
>Hmmm, and another *Click*
>"BORN IN A TIME--"
>But then who's this? *Click*
>"BORN IN A--"
>*Click* "BORN--" *Click* "BORN--" *Click* "BORN--" *Click* "BORN--" *Click click click click* "BORN--" "BORN--" "BORN--"
Me doth thinks women were extremely common in art actually, they were just forgotten with 90% of male artists too because only 12 or so really popular artists actually exist for all centuries.

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>No click-bait videos
>Not trying to sell you a course
>No shilling
>Genuinely good advice from personal experience
>Videos on big scope of fundamental topics
>Explains in simple and easy to understand format
Name a better art Youtuber.

I've attempted to watch art tutorials but they either one of the two
>dicksucking about your mental health and how valid you are
>drawing the owl
then i would always remind myself that i dont need that shit, especially those ones, and i just need to draw and think about drawing

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>>7717780
>"this one trick made drawing fun again"
If this advice was so great, they'd be selling a book, rather than making free videos on the internet.

Speaking of - I kind of think that people who give their drawing tricks away so freely (not the shill conmen, but actual artists), might be doing a disservice to themselves and the industry. Isn't it going to, or already long has, flood the market with people who now know all the tricks of drawing that was given away freely? It's kind of like a magician showing how all their tricks work, you've just taken away the mystique and allowed anyone to do it, so it's no longer special. You've devalued your work and profession... for free.
Not to mention the money that could have been made had they sold their specialised knowledge rather than simply giving it away for free.
But maybe I'm just a greedy capitalist pig?

>>7717800
you forgot
>sucks at art

>>7717808
The thing is, someone already sold those tricks in a book 80 years ago for $20 bucks. No one's going to buy your uber secret tips guide for anything more than that, especially when you are just parroting shit from that $20 book.
So the only grift they have left is being the lowest bidder and giving away those tricks for free, and then pray 1% of the retards viewing it is dumb enough to give them a tip.

>>7717814
I think you're right and wrong at the same time. Sure the information may have already been released as a book, and people could just buy that instead, but younger generations always want 'their' version of a thing, even if it's just a repackaged version of what's been before.
Same content with updated wording and layout, some new drawings, and maybe a few extra tips, and I'm sure many would buy it over loomis or Bridgman... well, so long as the content is as good as theirs, at least.
Use Recency Bias in your favour! Besides, that's essentially what all drawing books are; just repacked information.

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>>7717800
I didn’t have the eyes to see it when I was a /beg/ but a lot of these digital artists that were popular in the 2010s have really synthetic styles.. There’s little sense of organic rhythm, it’s like their design choices are completely divorced from the observation of real people

>>7717780
>art sure sounds like a fucking hassle for something that should be fun
I feel sorry for people who never learned that hard work has value

>>7717814
This.
Every single "teacher" or "guru" just parrots the same things everyone else does and plays the numbers game trying to get a couple bites.
The niche where it's displayed most obviously is the finance niche.
>>7717808
>if the advice was great, they'd be selling a book
they probably even do since there is no copyright to something as teaching the basics of any skills or hobby

Anyone could try to sell a book about how to draw, even if they don't.
You just have to not copy someone else's book 1:1.
As a youtuber grifter, you can probably just build up a portfolio with vids of you paraphrasing tutorials, then use them to publish a book.
Thanks to amazon allowing any fag to publish books, the book selling scam took flight and with more retardtubers doing vids like:
>"HOW TO MAKE 68451654654654 QUADRILLION DOLLAROOS IN 5 MINUTES SELLING BOOKS"
it made shit even worse

Midwits will blame capitalism, when in fact normies and brownoids should be blamed for fucking up everything they touch.

>>7717829
Is that your work? Blog?

>>7717780
I just wanna know im on the right path...

>>7717843
That's by Ahmed Aldoori

>>7717866
I thought they looked familiar!

>>7717860
Maybe the real path was the mistakes we made along the way...

>>7717860
What path? You need to stop being vague and wishy-washy with how you're studying. If you want to draw people then you should obviously be drawing people, draw from imagination to test how much you actually know.
I find it simple to know what to improve on, you have to keep hitting walls then focus on them until they're not as difficult and then you hit the next wall. Of course, this all should be going towards a bigger goal. Drawing trees when you want to do characters isn't as helpful as drawing people in candid poses.

>>7717832
>draws lines for fun
>hard work
baddass

>>7717829
I liked ahmed (met him once) because he kind of drew like me. Then I realized I really hated my art and didn't want to draw generic cute girls.

>>7717784
controversy grifters by far, motivational videos are for zoom zooms who can't focus more than 30 seconds but content wise are pretty benign
grifters like this abu guy or any "tea" tuber fling shit and the more unhinged ones will get their autistic discord mods to stalk and harass people.

>>7718209
nah I'm absolutely fine with drama, you don't have to watch it, it's those vids with the title that gives people FOMO I despise, basically every title from Marc Brunet. These people are ruining youtube as a whole and the title's obvious sales pitch generic clickbait physically repels me, but it works on so many people.

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>>7717784
At least he can draw, Katliente pretends to be an artist while she's only a drama channel.

>>7717800
>>7717813
Sycra was the first art YouTube channel I follow, (well technically it was Marc Crilley when I was like 10 but his videos are not focused on fundamentals.)

Sycra is good at explaining but I agree that I'm not a fan of his artstyle.

>>7718248
>Marc Crilley
Yeah he was my entry point to art as well, I look at his art now and think it's not impressive at all.

>Sycra is good at explaining but I agree that I'm not a fan of his artstyle.

That's the problem with ALL youtube art teachers. I wanted to say most but I have yet to find one youtube art teacher who art style that I am a fan of. I may be impressed with their draftsmanship and consistency but never their actual art.

>>7717780
>buy my course
>I teach you how to grift and make people buy your course
>in which you teach people making courses

I hate that art on Youtube is just a pyramid scheme right now. Youtube has some weird power. It just gives you this fake credibility. Grifters and narcissists know this and exploit it. Adam Duff and that guy on OP also have diddler/groomer vibes to them.

>>7718300
>Adam Duff and that guy on OP also have diddler/groomer vibes to them
>Adam Duff

Leave Adam alone, he's just a sensitive boy! kek
> Youtube has some weird power. It just gives you this fake credibility.
I'm thinking it's because we just transitioned from television to the internet. They're both screens in our monkey minds and we thought that everyone on the TV screen were some sort of expert in order to get on TV. Youtube is just a course selling platform, not only art- any other subject you're watching chances are they have some shitty course .

>>7718253
Maybe it's because people focusing in his own art do not have the time to sit and make tutorials.

>watch art tutorial on YT
>video is mostly the person talking about mental health, their drawing routine, recommended books and how they got hired for some animation studio
why is it always like this? creatives are fucking terrible at teaching anything holy shit

>>7718320
It's less monkey brain than boomer culture. I doubt gen Z takes anyone on TV serious. If I see someone on TV I know he's not an expert, but a guy who says the things the producer experts him to say, no matter how many awards and PhDs he has - or he's just entertaining.
And this matches my expectations of yt

>>7718209
>>7718215
remember
shit like that wouldn't find any success if there wasn't an audience.

You can also report drama channels vods on YT for spreading hate/harrassment.
Usually works and since you won't be able to get retards to stop being faggots, best you can do is fuck over their slop producers.

>>7718245
maybe I'm sexist but I automatically dont consider a female youruber to be a real artist.

>>7718672
female yt artists all fall under the same two groups
>gouache, watercolor artists
>1/3 of the video is her setting up her shit, in a cozy looking place, with some Ghibli music playing in the BG
>won't shut the fuck up for a second

>trad/digital artist
>draws basic bitch shit that westerners love like diversity or gay looking characters
>quirky chungus personality

>>7718639
this is the stuff most people are interested in (minus the mental health). Technical stuff can be seen in the stream and for less complex images the drawing is the tutorial

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>>7717780
>>7717784
any "art" youtuber that puts their ugly ass fucking mug on the thumbnail should be ignored and blocked

>>7718672
>maybe
Just like maybe I'm drawing right now

>>7718639
there's only so much you can teach as fundies go so to monetize and keep the channel going the ytuber has to spec into a niche
>drama
>tutorial to course-selling pipeline
>timelapse with voice over to pad the video and keep engagement up channel
>general motivation
>"community" creation and management to grift from
>fotm
>streaming for superchats
yt is a marketplace and should be treated as such, know what you want going in, get it, get out

>>7717780
delete your google account and start over and never click on videos like this

>>7719049
It's not only on youtube. He's an obvious grifter and I refuse to watch anything he makes, but he comes up in my instagram reels on the rare occasion I use them. Dude is an SEO/ algorithmic bland generic art. I don't even know his name but I've seen his face so much.

>>7719037
>just hustle and grind and remove any real social aspect from social media, but if you do be social; monetize the shit out of it
And you not need to wonder why numbers are going down everywhere and bot activity is going up when anyone just wants to sell you shit.

>>7719037
I want to be the ymfah of speed paints but i'm too lazy to edit like that and also too lazy to create art

>>7717780
Most people going to YouTube for art videos are the kinds of artists focused on improving their art and finding themselves coming up short, so of course they'd start to hate it. If you hate everything you draw, why would you enjoy it?

>>7719351
>Most people going to YouTube for art videos are the kinds of artists focused on improving their art and finding themselves coming up short

Sounds like projection to me. I usually watch art vids to see new techniques I can add to my tool belt. It's also a way to get my off of youtube and excited about trying a new technique/drawing

>>7719447
Of course not all, but it seems whatever this guy is doing is apparently appealing to a large enough segment of the YouTube crowd that his stuff winds up on lots of peoples' suggestion list

>>7719611
>Of course not all

Yeah I saw you wrote most, my issue was more
> If you hate everything you draw
I don't think most people HATES everything they draw, they don't like aspects of it and are looking for answers to remedy it, but HATE powerful word, especially next to everything. It subconsciously says a lot about how you're thinking about art, buddy.

>>7719056

There's really not that many people on arttube. When the algoyritm just recommends you the same crap from the same few talking heads you begin to realize it's not worth intentionally seeking such videos in this space. Ironically anything would be better for your mind...like hiking videos. Or funny cat videos.

The moment you click on anything in the vein of OP your account is over and the mental warfare begins.

>>7719683
>There's really not that many people on arttube

My algorithm likes to recommend me small channels so I see other people around. When I look up something art related on youtube this dude's face would pop up, and on instagram - which if you want to demoralize yourself watch the reels of the artists on there, competing in that field seems a nightmare.

Maybe it's because instagram reels gives me the most generic basic bitch beginner art tips shit and masters that makes you think you'll never be this good at anything in your life.

>>7717780
You're gonna hate what you make when you start out. Your hands won't work the way you want them to, you'll fall back on old mental hooks, and you're likely trying to learn to draw between all the other shit in your life. And then you question why you really want to do it or if you even do anymore.

For a lot of people that's not an investment they mentally want to make. Especially if they're mentally unwell and take self-worth in their creative endeavors. People think they're too old to be drawing like a seven year old, even if that's where they stopped likely. Imagine you stopped writing at seven and tried to pick it back up after, whatever frameworks allowed you to go through life never writing or even typing. Typing is just tracing art really.

The worst thing you can do with yourself is be a Howie and feel you just are too smart to be where you are and simply need the right logical structure to improve your work. It just leaves you still unable to forgive yourself at your level. Just, do drawbox, you want to make cartoons you gotta learn to draw little orb and triangle and box people first. You can't learn division without going to school. Yeah it sucks being old and learning grade school shit, but never trying at all is worse. That makes you a normie, or a Howie.

>>7717780
LISTEN TO ME PSA TO ALL THE LITTLE /beg/s IN THIS THREAD:
the issue is that 99% of people these days are dopamine addicts, which is the reason why you need an insane level of stimulation to feel fine. That's why when you watch youtube or an anime, you also simultaneously constantly are checking 4chan while also drinking nonstop coke/coffee/snacking, etc, you are addicted to that constant dopamine hit. You can draw in that situation, but what you won't be able to do is actually improve your skills, because that is something where you need to concentrate; it's like learning any other mentally demanding new skill, you have to focus to really understand what you're doing wrong and how to improve.
So ignore all these stupid gimmick videos; what you really need is to be able to focus for a long period of time without distractions, that's literally it.

>>7717813
he taught millions of people how to draw lol

>>7719995
got a video for that?

>>7720122
there are a million videos about that subject on youtube, just make sure it's not some retarded husslefag who tries to shill some course. The best ones are the ones who are breaking down the science behind it

>>7720127
i recall a dopamine detox one i watched about 5 years ago, but they were selling a course.

i want to, but there is so much resistance in trying, i just end up with old habits. you pretty much nailed it tho. If im not watching youtube, im playing FFXIV, or reading /pol/ and reddit. listening to more hatemongering videos. drawing is lucky to get 2minutes of time. i have been putting it off for the entire day.

one issue is that, the drawing wall of skill is so high, i see every single mistake and aspect of hatred i have for not being good. the second a mark goes down, it's a wobbly shit show. how the fuck do i even start a personal project, when every line i put down is a mistake. and im recommended to do exercises to somehow improve. do the successful artists out there have this much struggle man? i can't believe it when they say they struggle too.

sorry im rambling over here. just getting mad.

>>7719995
True but you are solving the problem backwards. You need to fun max when drawing. Do projects you care about, do that stupid comic and do it in a way that is fun for you. Your whole hustle culture dopamine "I HAVE ADHD" approach never works.

>check out art sphere on yt

>tutorials that define basics but barely manage to explain
>drama vid by big account that goes like "guys i dont usually do drama but.."
>another drama vid
>more drama
>"tutorial" that ends up being so mental heath wanking
>women vtuber farming AI drama
>women vtuber acting like the current flavor of the week killed their pets and called them a nigger and remind you to not forgetting to buy their shit
>gays and trannies sperging out about elon musk
>also every single one of them spergs out about elon musk when they mention twitter
>every single one of them goes on tirades about how to social media
>all of them have shitty art that is rather extremely fucking gimmicky or some sort of porn
On the other hand, it isn't that hard to imagine that all of them are working an audience given how most artists nowadays don't want to have fun drawing, but just want to be rich and famous and get from strangers the love and validation they couldn't get from their fathers who left before they were born.
This whole hustle culture really is just
>"ARE YOU PROUD OF ME DAD pls come back and give me money"
Normies are so fucking disgusting holy shit

i miss my friend. he moved to china with his wife. and he's on a different timezone. im in agony

>>7720133
the detox thing is complete bullshit. Don't do that, even if you finish it, you will 100% fall back into your old habits. Here this is a good vid on the subject. You have to slowly try to kick the habit; you can still do all the stuff you love, just put it towards the end of your day AFTER you did your work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GUNhGRlQDU
>>7720134
the issue is that things like studying drawing are HARD, not just doodling, but actually sitting down and doing a course is not fun it is a very demanding task, so your brain will tell you "fuck that, just give me another dopamine kick" which means you will feel tired, uninterested, and restless, because you are so used to "cheap" dopamine (your phone games, eating etc). It will be an awful experience, that's why you need to get your dopamine levels DOWN so shit like finishing a lecture will be actually something that feels rewarding to you

>>7720154
pretty insightful anon. i will give that a watch and report back later today

>>7720154
>doing a course

There is your problem.

>>7717800
without sycra, i wont understand color fundamentals i still use today

>>7718697
>Technical stuff can be seen in the stream and for less complex images the drawing is the tutorial

It really cant, because I cant know why they made this or that marking decision, but they should have an intuitive under standing that they can verbalize for why they did this or that thing. Narrate your damn process.

>>7720177

that's why you remain stagnant.

>>7717808
The videos are a sales funnel to their ecourses (which are just 2+ hour versions of the free video).

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>>7717799
Women were unironically banned from learning art in most cultures for centuries. The female artist that did slip through the cracks were literally the daughter of famous artist and/or aristocrats. Art Historians chose to give these women voices because otherwise men would simply assume themselves as the only people worthy of creation more than they already do.

>>7720879
>Women were unironically banned from learning art in most cultures for centuries.
Not really, but whatever. Doesn't change the fact that now the overwhelming majority of artists are women, yet they still pretend like it's some achievement

>>7717780
Your intrinsic desires are random and not all of us are blessed with the desires we want.
Art is an extremely valuable and sought after skill so it's not surprising that there are lots of people who want to learn it, even if they don't inherently find it "fun" in the traditional sense.
Frankly though I've seen way more of this "how to make yourself like practicing" stuff in the drawing community than I have in the music community or even the writing community. I think part of it is that drawing is actually just that fucking hard and painful and unless you're top 1% naturally in love with it then it's going to be hard to stay motivated.

youtube videos cannot be educational or resourceful by principle. They need people to watch the video and watch ads and then watch hte next slop video. If a video taught what was needed, then why would the preson come back? Why would they watch another video on the topic?

>>7721296
Real time process videos from good artists are the most educational things out there

>>7720879
>plebeians and low social status women and men couldn't do shit
>the only artists that could do shit were the kids of rich people
>art historians are paid shills
Now it's historically accurate

>>7721380
we're not talking about actual artists here though, you know what the op meant.

>>7721380
>Real time process videos from good artists are the most educational things out there

not really. You can watch Shaq play ball all day that doesnt mean you can do what he does.

>>7721502
Never reply to me again you fucking retard

>>7721511

I won't, nodraw.

>>7717808
i think you were just raised in a jewish colony. it can be cured you if try hard enough

>>7717841
>when in fact normies and brownoids should be blamed for fucking up everything they touch.
this is the biggest problem on the internet right now. the lack of "walls", "gates". Protection against the undesirables.

i can only think of making small friend only servers but thats not enough

>>7720133
>one issue is that, the drawing wall of skill is so high, i see every single mistake and aspect of hatred i have for not being good. the second a mark goes down, it's a wobbly shit show. how the fuck do i even start a personal project, when every line i put down is a mistake. and im recommended to do exercises to somehow improve. do the successful artists out there have this much struggle man? i can't believe it when they say they struggle too.
make bad art. when you sit down to draw say aloud "I am going to draw. It's ok if it's bad. I am going to draw." Turn this into a mantra and start drawing. Really you won't see progress for a couple months minimum (more like years actually). Trust the process and draw.

>>7720133
>do the successful artists out there have this much struggle man? i can't believe it when they say they struggle too

Yeah and you see it constantly when you pay attention. Kim jung gi fucks up a number of times but then turns his fuck up into an alien or something. They've practice so much that they've built a system to how they draw so they can minimize their mistakes. The ones that really don't stay in their constraints not to fuck up follows a process and abuses the hell out of the Transform tool in their drawing program.

The professionals don't show it that much because it would ruin their brand they've worked so hard to build. Even the "Sketchbook" Videos/ images are highly curated

>>7717780
>Don't Recommend Channel
Best feature Youtube has ever had

>>7722110
Yeah, but it kind of sucks when you do that there and you come to /ic/ and have to look at this grifter's face

>>7722112
you can hide threads

>>7722120
But I like this thread, it's something that I agree with, mainly those art tubers who preys on artist's insecurities in order to get clicks

>>7720133
>how the fuck do i even start a personal project, when every line i put down is a mistake.
you make peace with the fact you're always going to be making shit. Always, even when others tell you you're doing good (You) know it still could be better.

With that in mind, shitty finished project is a million times better than any amount of studies/sketches/exploration/whatever fucking shit name people come up with to avoid responsibility

You have to be a little stupid to draw. If you're too logical and smart, then drawing good art makes no sense. you can't just be correct in construction and anatomy, the base idea has to work.

I can spend 5 hours on something that gets ten likes or 10 minutes on something that'll get 3000 likes. There is no objective scientific formula to be good, and trying to search for one will only lead to frustration.

>>7721664
>the lack of "walls", "gates". Protection against the undesirables.
If you are not in multiple gatekept communities, then you are THE undesirable.

>>7717780
yeah, I have to wonder why people who don't like to draw need tricks and special motivation to draw
maybe you don't like to draw?

>>7722370
There are no real communities anymore, even less any reasonably gatekept ones. And when there are, they are usually not the kind of communities for people that don't want to play a rat race.
Or they're already established irl friend groups that have no interest in anyone but their own clique but want outsiders to boost their numbers or else they'll cannibalize their own group.
Or they are communities you pay for to join so you can buy what they're selling.

You might be an "undesirable" just based on the fact that you don't want to kill some random internet guy's children in front of them, for daring not agree that aliens kidnap artists to put pencil up their asses to steal their artistic skills so they can draw crop circles.
Also too many autists and low IQs who can't take a joke.
Also too many effeminates always playing social games where every interaction has some sort of schizophrenic social credit point system.

You can't gatekeep human retardation because once you figure out they're going to fuck shit up, they've already parasitized the whole system.

>>7717784
qrd?

Seems like you can't really run away from the algo shoving this content. If you like any art video you'll eventually get this stuff on your feed. And if you try your damndest to like widely different, safe and acceptable stuff, Youtube will start pushing fetishes and other nonsensical content to get you to fall down a rabbit hole to mess with your mind.

And then there is the middle ground with world news and the moment you watch anything like that it's right back into /pol/ territory. I just want a feed across all social sites without it trying to influence me in any way. Is that so much to ask?

>>7718245
All art youtubers are /beg/s with a few exceptions, as someone said once: if you can't make it, teach it.

their gimmick is just to appeal to absolute begs or kids that picked art recently, explain the first 15 pages of loomis books to pretend they know what they doing and then sell you a course that is the same bullshit they did in the last 10 videos. I only follow retards that upload a speed paint without a word and i learn more from them than retards explaining a miracle way to learn the body.

>>7722857
>i learn more from them than retards explaining a miracle way to learn the body.

No you don't

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>>7722862
yes i did