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$100 for a sketch?

>>7718087
don't like? don't buy. simple as

>>7718086
those types of people can't be reasoned with, they like your art but they only want to pay you in exposure.
even if you accepted their offer of 5 bucks and a shoutout, they'd get pissed if you sent them 5 dollars and a shoutout's worth of effort.

if you want a picture of your waifu for next to nothing, just prompt an ai.

>$100 for a sketch
is it worth it though?

>>7718091
>>7718087
>>7718086
The problem is retarded simps will buy it because it's a cuntoid, meaning that you can't bully the artist, rather find and track down her fans and bully them into stopping.

otherwise you'll be flooded

>>7718086
Because they're subhuman no-draw retards like these posters here

>>7718087
>>7718116

A sketch is a non-standardized relative term that can mean a lot of different things, and we're not going to pretend that no-draws don't spend $30 to bring them processed food from the Taco Bell five minutes away either.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oWXYoD7wfOs

>>7718180
hit too close to home?

100$ is a lot for a sketch, you can buy a nice painting or print for that price

>>7718086
because the art looks like that shit in the OP

>>7718185
Just not sure why low IQ retards who don't draw like you are obsessed with posting on this board or why the mods let them

>>7718202
>a print of a piece of art that's already been made

bruh, 100 bucks for a sketch is crazy and the fact the her art also looks beg

>>7718202
idk i've only seen the one pic in the OP but i think this person's art is really nice

>>7718086
Guys, sometimes you charge a lot of money to do things you don't want to do, or don't have the time to... though I don't think this artist has that problem- until now that s/he's been raised by the Al Gore rhythm.

>>7718086
I've noticed female artists often are the scummiest, with absurdly overpriced comms or shit like making a bagillion $150 adopts, and often really stingy with Patreon-locked content.

>>7718279
wonder why

>>7718180
Nice video, man. Thanks.

>>7718289
>Nice Video

Thank you! I'd give you a kiss on the cheek if we weren't Goon buds.

propaganda to stan ai and to hate and outmode artists furthermore or actual retards call it

>>7718086
probably because they are envious and they are a failed artist themselves

>>7718086
I honestly still don't know how good but not great first world Western artists get commissions. Why spend 100 dollars on a sketch from one of them when you could instead spend 10 dollars on a fully rendered scene from some kid in Indonesia?

>>7718343
often it's barely about the resulting drawing, it's about interacting and supporting an e-celeb they like.

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>>7718086
artificial value

simple as

these artist will do anything possible even go through extreme and insane ways to push the idea that their rough scribble is worth $100,000 than a construction worker earns in a year

we've seen this throughout history, its the means of these artist to fool anyone gullible enough to believe their value

good thing we now have better means and tools to teach these artist not to try and scam us with their money laundering, artificial pricing scheme

"if they charge too much, Prompt it"

>>7718361
>"$100,000 than"

Please fucking rangeban India already

>>7718361
saar, just prompt the art, saar

>>7718180
Anon you have to remember that something like 80% of 4chan now consists of thirdworlders, and that most online commission artists are themselves thirdworlders. You say $30 (US) and think that MIGHT be enough to cover lunch for two people at a fast casual restaurant, but the average thirdie sees $30 and thinks "wow that's like a week's salary." If you see a hispanohablante Twitterino artist selling $30 commissions, that is their full time job, and in their country, they're probably making as much as somebody with a graduate degree and a decent job.

People who charge high prices for comms don't want to do comms. They don't need the money because they're getting steady work elsewhere.

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>>7718086
Either they can't afford to spend money on a luxury they feel entitled to or they're jealous because they undersell themselves due to low self-esteem

>>7718390
As mentioned before, $100 to somebody in the USA (or the EU, or Japan, etc) isn't the same as $100 to somebody in the Philippines. Which of course is understandable, but also explains why there's this long running disconnect with the amount of skill required to produce good art and the average prices of online art commissions and why almost all of the most prolific online for-profit artists are ESLs.

>>7718389
Spoken like someone who never did any.
If your prices are low you'll attract very stingy and 'frugal' people that will try to get as much as they can out of you (so they'll ask for constant revisions and fixes and will be just hard to please). Meanwhile high paying customers just want a pleasant experience and aren't nearly as picky, they are generally happy to let you have your artistic freedom.
The lower the price the MORE effort you have to put in. It's just bad business.

>>7718087
$100 is the new $50

>>7718086
AI Image generation should have already fixed that and pegged it to 0 USD. But Nostalgic Boomers insist their favorite artists have value!

>>7718086
Either a) they don't have the money and think all artists should be affordable to them or b) they're the "AI will replace artists" types. IMO, artists can and should charge whatever they want for their work, but also if someone chooses to use AI that's not a commission being stolen from a artist. People will buy art if they find value in it.

>>7718431
>if someone chooses to use AI that's not a commission being stolen from a artist. People will buy art if they find value in it.
People used to buy art from artists because there was no alternative if they needed a nice, original picture. Now, when ther IS an alternative it's only natural that artists lost some of their work.
AI have stolen jobs.

>>7718367
>>7718382
lets face it, whether we like it or not, tools of the tech is catching or have overtaken us in a blink of an eye, if you want to survive with the title of an "artist" in this day and age

then you have to adapt

competition from here on will get even more extreme and far more challenging, and if you can't present any value to your craft, then it be best to fill up that Mcdonalds application form than face the dark days ahead

>>7718086
If people are willing to pay that price, then it's the correct price.

>>7718388
Question:
Is the average gringo just as ignorant and stupid as this guy?
Do gringos really believe that $30 is a week's salary?

>>7718465
Yeah, the 20 dollar pajeet job on fiverr. Big deal.

>>7718086
You can sell anything you want at any price.
You are not forced to buy it.
Only people who would complain about art prices are kids or scammers.

>>7718465
>AI have stolen jobs.
Well I wish that AI have stolen jobs of foreign pro AI shit posters.

>>7718526
In any country that isn't EU or NA you can live off less than 500-1000 Ameribux a month and even put money aside.
30 bucks in say mexico is maybe a couple days worth of groceries, excluding the major cities.

30 bucks in india, thailand, philippines, some parts of china or other rather rural asian countries, is already a week's worth of anything.

30 is an average number, not an absolute.
And 30 bucks is a lot of money for a kid, even more to a third world kid, which make up the majority of online artists and internet users now.

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>>7718086
by "sketch" this artist means a fully colored full body picture with a simple bg that is maybe a bit rough with the lineart
Young artists are dumb and need to learn you can just lie. It doesn't matter if it's a sketch to you, call it a full picture. Inkuusan doesn't take more than 1 hour and half for a full commission and he's not dumb enough to advertise that

>>7718113
>if you want a picture of your waifu for next to nothing, just prompt an ai.
those cost more than 100 a month for a lot of the services
the free ones are ass (not to say the paid ones are good though they are just better than the free ones)

>>7718547
>30 bucks in say mexico is maybe a couple days worth of groceries, excluding the major cities.
Yeah, but imagine how far $100 can go. That's what annoys me; it's a race to the bottom for them, to the point where even they will not be able to live with how shitty and low they're making their prices.
If a first worlder charges $1000, you should charge $700, if you wish to undercut them, and slowly raise your prices to the $1000 when you gain dedicated clientele.
But so many third worlders seem to display why they're country is still in that state, by never asking for anything more.
They ruin the market for themselves and everyone else.

And the thing that we need to remember is that this is a part of our culture. Americans (and all other firsties) should be making their own art, and yes that includes commercial art.

Ultimately the biggest problem isn't the thirdies though, it's the shit head shit heels that are the dickheads to hire people from off shore just to save a few bucks - people will say 'heh, that's capitalism', but capitalism doesn't decree that you need to throw your fellow countrymen under the bus to make a few extra bucks.
Being Capitalist =/= having no morals.

But I just have to accept that businesses will do this, because the moronic public are totally willing to buy from companies that outsourced to china or elsewhere, despite complaining about it. If you actually care, don't buy from these companies - oh, but you got to save a dollar or two, so I guess the destruction of local manufacturing was worth it, get fucked you mouth breathing sheep.

Anyway, I'm totally going off topic here.

art is a luxury, if someones asking you for your prices, they can't afford you.

>>7718526
not knowing what the currency conversion is in singapore or the phillipines is not ignorance. we just don't give a damn, thats what you SEAfags gotta understand.

$30 is an entire week salary here in the Philippines.

>>7718611
>Ignorant amerifat aggressively displays ignorance by spewing uninformed bullshit about x subject
>Is corrected
>I-I don't even care! Rent free!
Every fucking time

>>7718617
Yes, I'm not saying this to make fun of you or show that I'm superior. I'm saying people dont care about certain things and you not realizing that shows your lack of perspective. Of course how much $30 is in your currency is VERY important to you, but you can't comprehend how its not important to an amerifat. That is a lack of perspective.

So to summarize, We don't care. And we don't care that you care. But you don't realize we don't care that you care.

>>7718624
You don't have to care, but you could at least stop acting like you know what the fuck you're talking about. Because you rarely do.

>>7718625
Nah, I think I will swing my hubris around like a paunch.

>>7718628
You do that

>highly autistic esl thirdoid does the usual annoying shtick
this is why no one wants you around man

Even when accompanied with an anatomy book, it's still quite a challenge to visualise in my head how the muscles would twist and turn in space and what sort of form it will take on. I guess this will improve with time and experience?

>>7718681
Wrong thread lel

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Art is one of those things people just expect to be free, that guy would say the same thing if it was 10.

You can see it in other places, every time someone makes a mod for Minecraft, fighting games and such that clearly took a lot of work, and dares ask for money the community starts flinging antisemitic slurs nobody heard since the middle ages, even though they'd have gladly paid 8$ for it had it been official.

>>7718589
>>7718086
>100$
Maybe AI was just a reckoning for delusional artists? tf?

>>7718086
some people, especially those who has never drawn anything in their lives, can't understand how much time and effort some drawings can take, especially if the artstyle is close to realism, and includes a lot of rendering etc.

though I agree some artists are being greedy by asking people to commission their drawings for 50$ even though they have the most simple artstyle ever. As an art major student who sucks at drawing, i can absolutely copy their artstyle, and draw by myself for free in a few minutes.

I think when choosing a price for your commission you need to find a mutual price that is affordable, and worths your drawings.

>>7718116
how is that a problem, retard? what do you care? why would you put effort into lowering your competition's prices, are you literally retarded?

>>7718686
>even though they'd have gladly paid 8$ for it had it been official.
And for even less than what they would be getting from a modder.
Modder asking some support to make bikini skins? Fuck you.
Company putting reused assets in the game for 29.99? Yes please!

>>7718712
Theyre so jealous of other artists that they would rather crab and see them make less money than to join them in making more money

>>7718712
Well they aren't MY competition because I don't do that kind of art, by the sound of it, they're yours, and I'd like to see it lowered to you get more competition and get fucked asshole.

>>7718751
you're so mad and gay lmao

>>7718756
>projecting

>>7718693
Go use AI then.

>>7718751
not your competition because you are worse than her and charging 20 bucks for commissions or...?
>their drawings for 50$ even though they have the most simple artstyle ever.
It's more of a demand thing, the artist in question has like 300k+ followers across on all socials, so charging less than 50 is fucking stupid. Especially commissioners that go for low priced artwork are by far the worst to work with. Besides most people aren't artist, since a simple art style to you is something impossible for the vast majority of people(normies).

>>7718698
>>7718923

>>7718589
i hate the half body shit, i at least do full drawings for $25 colored too.

>>7718343
Because I am not a Jew golem and support my fellow countrymen

>>7718086
Personally, I wouldn't pay that price if OP is the quality to expect. I've paid not much more for pieces with colored backgrounds and way higher quality.

>>7718929
> full drawings for $25 colored too.

Are you okay anon? Do you need rent money that bad that you lower yourself to $25 for a full drawing? With inflation everything is expensive, use that excuse to put your price up.

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>>7718086
because they're poor fags who can't draw themselves op, look at furry artiest charging thousands of dollars for someone's fursona. charge what you want and ignore the pressure of 9 - 5 normies who don't provide a service and expect everything free. If your art is good someone will pay handsomely for your services. Hell even if your art is shitter then the most autistic blue haired fatty someone will still pay, look at McDonalds. If your good at something never do it for free.

>>7718923
No dumbass because my art isn't commercial nor would I ever take commissions under 25,000 USD for actual projects, sketches are sketches, they were private or gifts before, not something to sell before late academic time's when the rendering made them seem finished, dumb nigger.

neoliberal poison makes artists think they gotta price low cuz theres some imaginary market rate but art isnt a commodity its subjective value only exists between artist and buyer the only reason people undersell is cuz they internalized walmart logic that everything has to be affordable reality is every artist is their own market and should be charging more stop devaluing your work just cuz some poorfag cries overpriced if they cant pay they were never your customer

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Haha fuck everyone who said I needed a "real job," I'm making all the money I need drawing dog dicks in dragon asses. Life is great, baby!
>OH FUCK OH FUCK EMERGENCY COMMS! EMERGENCY COMMS! DON'T CARE I'LL DRAW IT! PAYMENT UP FRONT!
Yeah I know I said some things, but it's gonna take some time to get back to all of y'all.

>>7718985
Always take the payment upfront. There's no reason not to.

>>7718978
>neoliberal poison makes artists think they gotta price low cuz
No it’s retarded conservatives, they are main ones that push for artist to price their artwork low, since they are the main group that pushes gen slop. What you said was true before gen slop was a thing.

>>7718116
Women will always draw better than men.
Naturally, women will charge even higher.
Sorry, but you can buy AI goonslop if you want btw.

>>7719086
>Women will always draw better than men.

>all the best artists in history have always been men
What did xhe mean by this?

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Insane how lots of people almost feel entitled to free professional level art and artists time as well.

this is what you'd be getting from me for $5

>>7718955
>my art isn't commercial
it would be if it didn't suck lel

>>7719090
I'm talking modern digital art, nobody cares about traditional art anymore. AI solos.
Men only care about drawing shitty anime moe art nowadays, the market is filled to the brim with soulless anime artists, compare the sexualization general with the cute male general.
Sorry, it's just true. Cis women and homosexuals draw better.

>>7719095
Yep then I'd be getting furry porn coms to make a living, too bad.

>his art is so shit the only way to sell it is furry porn
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>7718589
overcharging for beg/int stuff is crazy

>>7718086
People? No, it's all bums who'd never buy anything anyways

>>7718116
>>7718279
Women knowing their worth cause moids to seethe the hard
This is why she made her commission goal in one day while you cried about it. Don't commission bigger artist name art when you can't afford bigger prices.
>>7719086
Most modern moid art talk like they're next top artist but draw nothing but the shittiest pornslop in a void.

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>>7719223
this foid weighs 150kg minimum.

>>7719338
>gets proven wrong
>'ermmm, ur fat and stupid'
Latinx or ASEAN male, call it

I'm a third worlder and I wanna sex a first world girl like a loose American goth girl so bad haha.

>>7718091
cuck mentality

>>7718086
Everything is getting more expensive, wages aren't keeping up, and drawings are a luxury. You are not Roger Dean or Frank Frazetta. Your output doesn't speak to the human soul nor will in decorate someone's wall or album. You draw some lines that people are going to look at for 5-20 seconds. There are tons of similar drawings on the web. What you offer isn't a fair substitute for, say, a figma.

>>7719223
Don't cry about being replaced by AI with that attitude then.

>>7720026
>replaced by AI
you mean that thing made for poors?

>>7718086
>Why do people get so mad about art prices?
entitlement, inflated ego as a cause of low emotional maturity leading to a misguided idea of being the target audience, general societal trend to view creative efforts as inherently "low worth", brain marinated in a lifetime of capitalist propaganda

>>7720032
I mean that thing that is free, doesn't give you attitude, colours, and does poses and viewing angles that drawfags don't.

>>7720131
>that drawfags don't
again, this is a poor issue

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>>7718086
The market value of art has nothing to do with the skill level of the artist or the hours worked on a piece. It's always been determined by the cultural significance of the artist themselves. Someone with enough reputation can easily make $100 or more for sketches online.
Old school comic guys at conventions used to charge that kind of money for character doodles that they would pump out in mere minutes per drawing for a line for fans.
It's why art is such an attractive investment for hiding your money in. You can say a painting is a simple purchase of a couple hundred dollars to the tax man and then sell it on for six figures. There's no way to determine the value of art from the material alone.
Anyone complaining about a $100 sketch should try a cheaper artist. There are plenty out there. And if they dontt want another artist, because the $100 sketch artist is who they want, and nobody else is an option, then that just confirms the artist is as valuable as they think they're not.

>>7718087
Depends on the artist. A sketch from Picasso will be way more than 100$

>>7719338
This picture triggers my autism while yes i could draw simple line and that would be it the fact that the right vessel doesn't match the left one because some ape don't understand that rotating pictures in photoshop along the middle anchor actually shortens them and in this case its good fucking 30 pixels. Then triangulation of liquid so you can transfer it and calculate it is off by those 30 fucking pixels and now what ? Should i be okay with that ? Is this how they do science ? WELL WHAT EVER, IT'S A FUCKING QUESTION FOR YOUR IMAGINATION but i don't fucking care... do your god damn job correctly you fucking niggers.

>>7720131
>drawfags should be drawing for us for whatever pittance we offer because AI would do it for free!
the shit thirdies say, no one is going to accept your commission so go back to shitting out slop with whatever free model you're using

>>7720321
He jew brother he wants people workin fo free.

>Thread devolves into nonwhite race war

>>7720193
>>7720321
Aight. Proceed on your way to oblivion.

>>7720431
artists would cease existing if they went along with your retarded lala fantasy ideas of competing with AI by having a grand race to the bottom where they completely devalue their labor and art by working for basically free.
i'd hope your fantastical commune at least offers complementary blowjobs.

>"Art has no value therefore i should be entitled to the labor of artists free of charge and because AI can do it for free but i want the artist to work for free for me instead of using AI and if i use AI i should be able to monetize it or else! Fucking rich people using our labor to get rich! eat the rich! capitalism has failed! please give me money for my shit!"
this is unironically how normies think
peak cognitive schizophrenia

>>7720446
They dont even believe any of it which sucks the most. Theyre just greedy and are willing to lie to themselves to solve any pain to the super ego.

>>7719124
The mecha general rapes you btw.

>>7718361
>>7718509
> brown hands wrote this
Don't act like you did anything else besides being a call center scammer, dalit.

>>7720446
>this is unironically how normies think
no it's not. no one thinks like that. you've just made up a strawman that only exists in your head so you can feel smart about "dismantling" their obviously irrational beliefs. be better than that.

>>7718361
brown hands typed this

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How much should I charge for a post-it note

>>7721344
'bout three niggy

>>7720525
Pretty much. Anything is justified and reasonable as long as it profits them.
And when they get their own treatment, it's unfair and unjust.
Many such cases.

>>7720446
Yeah, I went to an art gallery recently, and there was a normie screaming at the attendants about how he should be able to buy the classical paintings because posters exist and only cost about $15 bucks!
I go to the cafe, and normies are screeching about how barista coffee should only be a few cents per cup, because they can buy instant coffee.
Then I go to the movies, and there's normies again! This time they're saying they should be allowed to watch all the movies for free, because they can do that on streaming services if they watch the ads...

Of course none of this happened, and to think of your fellow man like this, is just retarded. You're just a misanthrope.

>>7721360
I enter any thread and there is always normies trying to be contrarian because their lives are so empty the only thing they can do is relentlessly trying to attempt to disagree with others to spark inane arguments.

Am i mad coping seething meltdown? Schizo even?
Wow i guess i just don't make any sense, am i right?
Tldr? wow so witty and original, anon!
Do it again!
Wow i am so heckin wrong, am i right? WRONG! MISANTROPICAL!

You should genuinely, unironically and seriously commit suicide, you insufferable bot.

>>7718180
>>7718388
The white creature from the first world needs a lot of money, people from the third can take less to compete with you, while still having a good income for them, white scum doesn't want competition

>>7719223
femoid - remove the fe. you get left with moid.

peak creativity tranny-kun

>>7718509
tools? tech? the average iq, attention span, skills and humanity is much much lower than before.

>muh adapt
melanin tainted brain

>>7719152
not a fan of the style either but what's /beg/ about it?

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>commission thread
>turns into gender/ai shitflinging instead
some things never change huh

>>7720295
picasso would probably ask you if someone is pulling a prank on him and just ask for a bread basket and a jug of milk

>>7721966
selling himself short is why he lived such a miserable life. don't sell yourself short, anons

>>7718086
100 is fucking stupid but i don't think i'll get mad about it since i'm not the one buying anything, i guess i can thank her since if i DO end up selling stuff I could mark up the price knowing that people like her are raising the baseline so thanks i guess.