Does this style count as anime?
No, but it certainly does count as perma/beg/ shit.
>>7725812This style was used in ep 23 of TBHX and I'm pretty sure I remember seeing it used in other places. It's definitely an alternative style to the medium at this point.
>>7725836like here too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFIkbdHKifU
its a hartman/mccracken ripoff
>>7725812this shows style is too obsessed with nasty painted nails i'm not going to watch it
>>7725822Show me a beginner who draws anything like this.
>>7725822pyw or fuck off forever
>>7725875I imagine the nails are just an excuse to show form so it's not so flat
>>7725841UPA....the style is called UPA
>>7725812Absolutely it was produced in Japan so it's an anime by definition. now whether or not one likes the style is a personal preference thing. it most certainly has western influence but with obvious Japanese characteristics. personally I'm not a huge fan of the style but I don't really find it offensive to my sensibilities either. I absolutely fuck with stocking's character design though, partially because she reminds me of twilight sparkle and partially because I like the Lolita goth aesthetic.
>>7726516it leans more into hartman era and PPG. no one watches 50s cartoons anymore, gramps
>>7725812When you retards will go to Japan you you will see every native refer to any form of animation as anime (short for animation! Which includes cartoons!)
>>7726738You're a parroting monkey that can't think for itself. They call gaijin animation 洋アニメ or 海外アニメ. Just like how we in the west distinct italian pizza to NYC pizza to Mexican pizza.
>>7725812It does, and it's not just because it's from Japan, that's a retarded low cognitive resolution take
>>7725812To Japanese people, anime is just the word for animation. So yes, it would by virtue of being animation. But in the west, anime refers to specific styles of Japanese animation that wouldn't necessarily be entirely inclusive of the totality of all Japanese animation if we go by what a lot of westerners think of when they hear anime. Tbh, I haven't found an equivalent term that Japanese people use when talking about the "anime style" in the same way westerners do. I mostly say this to just have a more nuanced take on Japanese animation, and that what may or may not count as "anime" may not matter as much as many in the western anime space seem to think. As far as I can tell, this is mostly a byproduct of Japan having a much wider range of acceptable expression in animation, and due to Japanese animation being marketed to westerners specifically on it being more mature or "exotic". Like, they weren't bringing Sazae-san to vhs in the 80s when you could blow westerner's minds with stuff like Urotsukidouji or Akira. >tl;drYes, it is anime. But distinguishing Japanese animation like that isn't as important as people in the west think imo. If anyone is willing to counter or give thoughts on this take, I'm open to discussion. This specifically is a topic of interest to me, since I'd like for people to have a more holistic view of Japanese animation. And of people outside of Japan inspired by it.
>>7726885>Tbh, I haven't found an equivalent term that Japanese people use when talking about the "anime style" in the same way westerners do.No, you're waiting for a Youtube influencer to tell you it instead of using your god damn brain. Fuck you parroting faggots.
>>7726900Tried having a level headed discussion on here but I guess that was a fool's errand. Anyway, the category domestic animation also includes animation that won't follow the style conventions of, say, moe styled works (such as the example that you mentioned in your image). Again, there are many types of styles you see from Japan, and in the country, this would more than likely be seen as something for more otaku audiences rather than for your average consumer. Especially since it seems to be a visual novel adaptation. So basically, the term domestic animation is still not the best label for style, since there are different styles of animation coming from Japan. It literally would just mean animation produced in Japan which could be anything. Also, who exactly am I parroting this from? If there are any specific examples, I would be curious to know.
>>7726905>Also, who exactly am I parroting this from?This is an old tried argument that has been circulating weeb forums before you got your first fisher price computer. That cartoons like spongebob and tom and jerry are classified as "anime" in Japan when that is not the case. Let me give you an example. Let's say I want to buy my coworkers pizza. I call up a New York Style pizza place because I want NYC pizza. >hey guys! I got some pizza!>coworkers cheerAll they care about is that it's pizza. Nobody cares to look further if it's specifically new york style pizza, except for me, because I'm ordering it and I specifically looked for NYC pizza. When in discussion for animation here is where the internet trolls come in to start flame wars with weebs. They bring up "oh, anime means animation so like spongebob is anime haha king of the hill is my favorite anime hahahaha". Yes, in this context it is "anime" or animation. But it is not Japanese animation. It is not. Japanese animation. Can we make this clear? I made so in the image I posted. King of the Hill is != Japanese anime. And I've given labels already that makes this distinction >>7726742 for the slow people. But, in normal conversation (even in english) nobody gives a fuck to bring up >hey guys, I got italian/mexican/tawanese pizza!!!No, they only care that it's>pizzaand the next thing they care about is if it has pepperoni or anchovies or pineapple
>>7726912I understand what you mean. I wasn't trying to do that gotcha thing to be pedantic. Truth be told, I wasn't even thinking of it in that way. My main reason for bringing it up is because I just think that with the connotations the word anime has in the west, it just gives a very skewed perception of Japanese animation. I don't think that perception is entirely accurate to how these works are viewed in their original cultural context or with how the animation industry works in Japan. I should've just been clearer in that regard so I'll take the L on that. But then again, I know that the average western consumer won't really care about that, again, this is a specific interest of mine that I'm hoping to discuss online, and pressure test my ideas. Mostly because I want my understanding of Japanese animation to be better. I'm in no way trying to imply this is all necessary to enjoy Japanese works, it's very obvious it isn't. I just feel as though we could deepen our appreciation for Japanese animation by going a bit deeper from how many people view it online.
>>7726928>I'm in no way trying to imply this is all necessary to enjoy Japanese works, it's very obvious it isn't. I just feel as though we could deepen our appreciation for Japanese animation by going a bit deeper from how many people view it online.Well most anime fans aren't going to care and window shopping tourists just use this as bait. It's "are anime characters white" or "just because I like loli doesn't mean I'm a pedophile" tier bait. Same old tried arguments on rerun that already have concluded answers but people post it anyway to inhale perversion and or be a spectator of people eating each other's heads off. >just feel as though we could deepen our appreciation for Japanese animationIf you are genuine, I like that. I wish /ic/ could be more open to more interesting meta threads than what we get now.
>>7726930>Well most anime fans aren't going to care and window shopping tourists just use this as baitYeah. I just think that if you're going to spend copious amounts of time consuming content from a different culture, it may be useful to learn a little bit about it. It's unfortunate that many people just sort of tune out of learning about the shows they are die hard fans of. But then again, as long as they are enjoying it, there really isn't an issue there. Also on a slightly tangential note, it's funny how many shounen fans are so vitriolic about saying which work is better, when the creators either all knew each other, mentored or was an assistant to each other, or were otherwise friends. This can go back to anime too to illustrate the point that the industry is pretty interconnected. Like, I'm pretty sure there's that image floating around of all the studios that spawned from Mushi Pro or Toei. Or the one that shows a bunch of mangaka basically all tying back to Tezuka through some connection. See it's the stuff like this that really interests me. Once you see a lot of the stylistic influence and progression, your enjoyment of a work goes far beyond the end credits. Like, I'm pretty sure even Panty and Stocking is like this too, since Imaishi is influenced by the Kanada style in his works (it's been a while since I've seen it and I haven't seen the new season yet either).
