WHY DID I PICK THE ANIMATION COURSE IN COLLEGE
>>7731677imagine going to college
>he went to college
>>7731677Don't you want to work on the next installment of Netflix's Splinter Cell?
>>7731677Because your parents told you at age five you were special and smart and could be the President if you wanted to. In five years they're gonna tell you to start paying rent or GTFO.
if you learn anything, if anything from visiting /ic/ is that going to collage for art is a waste of fucking time>inb4 networking not worth it buddy
>>7732356a sculpture of a dragon is objectively gayer than a sculpture of a guy jacking himself off. that's a really great pose too.
>>7732369*sucking himself off, rather.
>>7732356Look at history and this story is as old as time. Just because your work is magnificent to you (which is awesome) doesn’t mean it resonates with everyone. The guy sucking himself off in an interesting pose will not only get laughs for its crassness, it will get the attention of critical thinkers as well. Moral of the story: Don’t take art too seriously and do it from the heart.
>>7732369yea but that only because you yourself are gay so
>>7732356A disillusioned kids harsh lesson in understanding the true worth of art school. ten thousand dollars well spent
>>7732436>picrelThat's actually a surprisingly great political comic.Thoughts on it glorifying hitler aside, it's praising the subject in a non too garish way, brings up hitlers artist history, his attack on modern art, and him 'unifying' the country - hell, the last panel could also be seen as a comment about hitler's goals of creating ubermensch - all while having fairly great art for a political comic (which let's admit, are usually pretty fucking ugly).Why is the most tasteful and smart political comic I've probably seen have to be about how great hitler is?
>>7732521wait til you hear about who started and ran the original schools of modern art
>>7732436>I made a bunch of tiny people mein furher>NEIN!>I vill show you better>You make ONE big person, silly juden. Now to Poland with you.
At least in animation you get guaranteed slave caste jobs for less than minimum wage, I went fine arts and that's such a specialized route of shit that I can't even apply to illustration or animation gigs to support myself either I make it thousands or more at a time or I don't.
I'm so done with this class. they're making me "revise" this stupid tengram animation.ever since I was a child I wanted to make my own cartoon, but then reality hit me like a truck. Hearing about the absolute state of the industry and actually experiencing how bad college is pretty much broke me. I might as well just make shitty webcomics.I think after this, im going to give up on my dreams and learn something that could actually pay the bills
>>7732985Hitler gattai!
>>7731677the best artists don't go to art school; they're STEM majors who maybe take art classes for fun
>>7731677>degreeWell, better than no degree, right? At least, if you apply for public sector or government jobs, having a degree can improve your pay grade. I know someone who did the same type of work as someone with a degree and they straight up weren't allowed to pay him well for it because he didn't have a degree and it was a public sector job, not in the private industry. There's usually more money in the private sector though, that is if you're a skilled and valued enough worker, although the degree doesn't matter that much anymore then.>art degree...Well, I hope you're having fun at least.
>>7732436hitler was a shit artist tho and most of his opinions on art came from pure jealousy
>>7733643the art school in question
>>7733664egon mogs 'dolf, who couldn't draw a single human being to save his life.
>>7733666thats really grasping mate
>>7733666Egon Schiele has a great style and certainly deserved entry, but Adolf drew better humans. His portraits look like he already spent 3 years in art school. He mogged basically everyone in /ic/ despite being poor, lacking materials and training. Pure talent.I wonder what Schieles artblook like when he applied.
>>7733664>suddently, you discover his actions were justified
>>7733664Actually, I do wonder how Schiele got in, when Adolf couldn't? Differing standards during their application periods maybe?Though you shouldn't glaze Adolf's work too much, if you actually look at his work closely, there's a lot of odd errors that are comparable to the shit AI does now (windows in weird places, door and windows being strange sizes, things randomly breaking perspective despite adolf following it for everything else, and so forth). Adolf was obviously not all that great at drawing people - he was actually recommended to join the architecture department instead, because of his love for drawing buildings. Shame he didn't.It should also be noted that Hitler never did anything to the school after becoming leader. It may have been national policy to make more traditional 'beautiful art' by the nazi party's standards, but they didn't actually touch the school... supposedly anyway.>>7733732>but Adolf drew better humansWhat makes you say that? Every painting I've seen of Hitler's is either focused on buildings (and the people are little blobs), or the people are quite abstracted, and the few with focus on people they're quite award looking and the best part is the environment around them.Hitler obviously enjoyed landscape and environmental painting the most.
>>7732356thisart school was a horrible mistake. one brief horrifying experience. i took a comic art class. i still remember the bitch of a professor i had. she made us go out and buy the materials for making comics. and i dump every last fucking cent buying everything i needed. It was around $250 in materials. only to come up short and not find the "Ames Lettering Guide"that bitch was so furious at me for that. if you aren't hand lettering a comic, it's blasphemy to this bitch. and she didn't like the males in the class. i watch her disturbed face every time a male student was talking around her. her husband or partner was also a co-teacher. he spent ALLLLL his time on one girl, who was already pro level.so im over here, with no business in art school, drawing like an idiot with no direction or understanding of anything. and no instructor, no teacher has any direction for me. nobody ever brought up loomis, vilpuu. nobody explained that I needed to go train. i was just there helping pay for another kid to have their dream experience in college.
>>7733770>and she didn't like the males in the class. i watch her disturbed face every time a male student was talking around her.I had the same problem. I swear, lesbians should be banned from teaching or something, it makes for a very disheartening experience being one of their male students.>But what about gay men?Yeah, well I don't hear stories about gay men treating girls or women like shit.Whereas I have heard plenty of stories and actively experienced the shitty miserable lesbian sexism.
>>7733664okay i fully understand why he was rejected. they were looking for SOVL. And I like Egon Schiele, I'm not gonna shit on him just cause this is 4chan.But every time i see the Hitler paintings. they seem technically very good. but then typical reddit response is to say "he was meh"I'm confused because these paintings of buildings would be hard to do even for a talented artist. The lighting is good. The paintings of the trees are good. Where are people getting this "he wasn't that good" attitude from? other than being mad at hitler
>>7733778People get to stuck in their -isms and become braindead to art itself. Modernism, post-structuralism, etc, etc. So desperate to fit in they lose their own identity, if the NPC brain can even have such a thing. Anyways I like this one. Seems comforting.
>>7733798When people said that he wasn't good at drawing people, I thought much worse than this. He had all the potential.
>>7733804They are the worst element of the painting, though.
>>7731677> three friends went to art center> dropped out because it was too expensive> they still made it
>>7733778>>7733798>So desperate to fit inits funny to me you are taking this angle when expressionism and all the trash coming out of the frankfurt schools were the most derivative desperate hacky trite that they knew anyone could do. like that pissed off college kid said, symbolism as a concept is one of many made up qualities behind expressionism, much like how "SOVL" is a goo goo ga ga bunch of shit. These professors counted on these revolutions to be obfuscated and gatekept to and by themselves. You dont need a degree to understand why the works of Michaelangelo and Rembrant are great. These people are talentless con artists
>>7731677Forgive yourself for your mistake. You fell for the boomer lie and expected collage to make you a master of a trade/field. Most of the time, the knowledge you gain is either subpar or barely the minimum.While I didn't study anything art related in uni. I did study computer science. Expecting to come out as a expert programmer.Turns out that's not the case, you are barely better than a 6-month hobbyist in the field. Only learned how to actually be decent at programming during COVID.Seems that self-studying is the only thing you can trust to give you meaningful learning.
>>7733909Honestly, I don't totally hate the second fountain there (though maybe with more angles and photos, I'd change my mind). The big issue is what made such abstract artistic styles 'pop' was that they were unique, they stood out in a sea of extremely realistic and idolistic figures.Now everything is abstracted and and stylised, and it's no longer particularly interesting, so it has to be judged on its craft... which is... not great.More annoying still, there are plenty of artists, hell most artists, who work in stylised ways, and yet it's always the hacks and talentless who seem to get the jobs like park statues and public fountains.
>>7733934this image has always pissed me off so bad. i got a fucking bachelor's degree over 20 years ago in a field that is long dead due to AI. i basically majored in MEMES (that now anyone can do, based on widespread usage of softwares and apps) and i'm completely obsolete. it is time for artists to take back what's ours: drop the fucking art schools (they're a joke and a scam, and the crabs and "professors" are GARBAGE), go back to creating out of a personality, rather than confining to some bullshit software telling us what we can and can't do. be free, be happy, the sky's the limit...
>>7733769Ten seconds on Google.
>>7733664I'm not going to say his art wasn't boring just because this is 4chan and everyone needs to be a contrarian to get (You)s. Technical accuracy is fine and all, but draftsmanship is a different skill than artistic depiction. What would you call >>7733798 ? Norman Rockwell-lite? What distinct style is he trying to show off/develop? Shitting on post-modernism is fun and all, but we're looking at post-modernism the same way these people were looking at life drawing.
>>7733909i don't need a degree to understand why egon schiele was great. it's actually immediately obvious to me the second i look at his work.
>>7734012pic related is better than every building hitler ever painted. if that isn't immediately obvious to you, you're ngmi.
Your post would have made sense if Norman Rockwell hadn't been around at the same time.Anyway I'm going to conclude this entire Hitler tangent in one post: The simple fact is Hitler was talented and only asshurt leftists, genuinely asshurt leftists as opposed to non asshurt ones, still keep up this "Hitler was a bad artist" schtick.Hitler was okay, he was just ok, like many others said if he had just applied to a secondary level art school he would have gotten in and gotten a career in illustration. He couldn't though and to this day the problem is no grants exist for many secondary schools and ateliers, so you're fucked if you want to go anywhere.Why only asshurt leftists?Because according to their own ideology Hitler would have existed anyway. They speak a lot about material conditions and how it affects politics ala Marx.Well you'd know the Volkisch movement was rising, multiple people were advocating for "neither capitalist nor communist" systems to save them from the post war crisis. If Hitler didn't exist Nazism still would and then you'd be insulting someone else as a failure who couldn't do whatever job they had previously well anyway.If you let politics get in the way of critique you aren't a critic, you're just an asshurt little bitch and one who does it because it's culturally acceptable at that, and therefore an animal lacking free thought and will.Only obsessed shitskins will reply disagreeing below me, otherwise this discussion tangent is over, let's get back to modern problems.
>>7734001>Ten seconds on Google.You don't need to pretend you didn't already have all of hitler's art on your hard drive, mate.
>>7734030I don't, it's on his wiki page, I don't even have my favorite artists art saved to my hard drive.
>>7734022What a sage post. You should learn how to respond to a post before making such "authoritative" posts on 4chan. "If you disagree with me you're brown" wow, that one will hit hard at your middle school.Anyways, Hitler was a boring artist, which I think of as being under "okay" because to be "okay" you have to have your own sense of style that isn't realism or whatever religious style he was going for in >>7734001 (I don't know the name, fucking sue me). It's the same problem of people who do photorealistic depictions of already real things or do boring landscapes and get lost to the sands of time. The only reason we even know what his paintings look like is because of his political career; if you came across one at a Salvation Army you'd probably never know or even care to pick it up.
>>7732356sounds like a western problem in china we have standards. though that could just be a failed sculpture because all students' works are displayed, that happens sometimes, i saw one about a vaping giant
>>7734034if you don't have your favorite art on your hard drive it's only because you don't like art
>>7734051Obsessed shitskin troon above me.Anyway though>(I don't know the name, fucking sue me). It's the same problem of people who do photorealistic depictions of already real things or do boring landscapes and get lost to the sands of time. The only reason we even know what his paintings look like is because of his political career; if you came across one at a Salvation Army you'd probably never know or even care to pick it up.But Hitler did have style, it's showing through in all his paintings. Good style? No. But he had it for sure. Keep in mind Hitler never went to art school, he never got a chance to refine it, everything you see of him is almost fully self taught or high school gymnasium taught. Mind you that's no excuse but you're punching down because you don't like him personally because he killed your favorite jew or however the browns cope, and it's dishonest to admit otherwise.
>>7734013"better" is subjective. but i do prefer Egon's work there as a visual art piece. i just learned about Klimt, who i consider an even better artist.
>>7734051but that's what artschool is for anon! he would be exposed to the faggotry and perhaps could have done something more sovl enriched
>>7734146Look, if you can't put two mouse clicks worth of effort into taking possession of what you like, then maybe you just don't like it.
>>7733769>What makes you say that?by looking at his non-architectural works
>>7733769
>>7733769he drew that at 19yo without having had any training. Talent is real.
>>7733769some more sketches that blow /beg/ out of the water
>>7733769and my last spam post
>>7734188Sorry I mean above me as in the guy I was replying to.
>>7734013its immediately obvious the painters 3 year old son got a hold of his paint brushes half way through the painting and he just said fuck it.faggot
>>7734012also cool Egon turned new Hampshire into a person epic
>>7733954>they were uniqueits fucking ugly. my point is keep your ugly pervert art in your ugly pervert galleries where it cant ruin the good peoples day
>>77316772 years ago there's plenty of Youtube videos talking about the industry and how bad it's, so if you got into it recently you're a dumbass, or live under a rock.
>>7734146the image you have of me in your head is wonderful. Such an active imagination, but your words confirm you're a shit-eating eternal tourist zoomer brainfucked by the election. I wonder if you could even competently draw a picture of what you think I look like. Probably not.>high school gymnasium taughtOooh, do we have a possible ESL? Throwing stones in a glass house, eh?
>>7733664Damn! He mogs 99.9% of d/ic/ks too bad his figure drawing skills were shit.
>>7734387While that other guy is /pol/ brained, you also lack knowledge that gymnasium is the equivalent of high school in Germany.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_(Germany)Both of you, git gud with your criticism. I tire of browsing /ic/ and seeing the same ho-hum 'criticism' being thrown around with neither creativity nor intelligence behind them, only a thin veneer of superiority slathered over envy, if at all.
>>7734205While a nice painting, the faces are stylised in a classical european way, and the hands are gnarled and oversized, so I wouldn't say it's a great display of his figure drawing prowess.>>7734206>>7734210>>7734211These are good, but they all also strike me as studies, which shows he put the effort in, but doesn't mean he could draw them well without direct reference.>>7733798This is probably the best example of his figure drawing work. It's not great. Not terrible, but not great.All this said, hitler was pretty good at rendering, and I don't think he was a bad artist, like so many desperately claim. He was a landscape painter, and a pretty decent one too, if a little bland in his compositions.>>7734388>Damn! He mogs 99.9% of d/ic/ks too bad his figure drawing skills were shit.W-w-well let's see hitler's anime styled drawings! I bet he draws like a typical gaijin!
>>7734387No obsessed shitskin tranny, I will not draw a portrait of you for you to cumtribute to "pwn da evil fascists!" Kill yourself.
>>7734372I was thinking indie animation or something of the sort. guess I didn't need to go to college for that. that was $750 dollars down the drain.
>>7734443>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_(Germany)Damn, I stand corrected. I'm not as good at pretending I'm German as that other faggot>Both of you, git gud with your criticism.Oh, I don't come here to criticize. I actually draw; I'm just here because I'm waiting for my imprimatura to dry. My observations are reflective of what art I find interesting relative to my own desire to make or follow it. When I say Hitler's landscapes and portraits are boring, I'm saying "I'd never waste my time making something like that; that doesn't invoke anything in me".>>7734461>hitler was pretty good at renderingMost painters are. They tend to disregard accuracy and call it "style", LOL.>>7734487As if you could. How about you pull out your ethernet cable and go back to your drafting desk, if you even have one. I'm sure there's a box of crayons lying around your parents' house.
>>7734210yeah im not glazing because it's omg hitler!but these drawings would get him into any art school or visual art program. and are a good foundation for exploring and creating different styles of art.even if there's one or two flaws, or boring. that's really how it goes with most artists. i'm not saying he's a world class. but are people expecting him to be a picasso at 17/18?
