>>7731847
it's fine but most people will need an instructor to do it properly. how would it be outdated? the fundamentals of drawing haven't changed. it has stuck around for 100s of years because it works.

>>7731850
>how would it be outdated?

There's much more of a focus on dynamism nowadays, for one.

I haven't tried it because I wasn't aware of it when I was so focused on fundamentals still, but anyone looking to understand values will learn a lot.

You might consider it outdated if you try to implement the style of the images in your creative work, but that isn't its purpose, so doing that would be your own fault. It's a utilitarian exercise.

>>7731862
>There's much more of a focus on dynamism nowadays, for one.
Lol.
>>7731847
It teaches you to stop fucking around and to learn how to measure.
Vital for permabegs with no spatial awareness.

All I will say is that I've only talked to 2 professional artists about what they recommend and they both said bargue plates. So, take that as you will.

>>7731870
>stop fucking around and to learn how to measure.
and this is why I think it's outdated. Accuracy is passé.
And we have layers now, for those who seek realism (why though?)

>>7731875
/ic/ is confused about what it wants. Many artists here want a career in the arts plus old-school mastery of realistic drawing. But most art careers have little to do with atelier-style mastery. They're things like graphic design, corporate illustration, children's books, YA comics, advertising, and so on. For decades we've been moving more and more toward hypersimplified digital illustration and away from technical mastery. AI is spurring high demand for artists with AIbashing skills who can iterate insanely fast. That's the future of art, period. Unless you want a job as a fine art painter or an illustrator for the Folio Society, both equivalent to winning lottery tickets, you would be best off ignoring 90% of atelier pedagogy.

>>7731873
Interesting, what kind of artists were they?

>>7731847
Copying and construction are complementary skills. Bargues help you with precision and proportions. Masters like Gerome or Bouguereau were trained on both anatomy and portraiture.

>>7731898
life drawing is far more efficient. spending a thousand hours on rendering is something you do if you're young and dumb and full of atelier cum, not something you do if you want an illustration job fast.

>>7731902
look at this little jewish cog thinking only in terms of money lmao. this isnt the find a job and sell yourself like a whore board

>>7731947
If you don't make a living from art, you have to do art in your spare time. That means your art will progress at a snail's pace and you'll never get great. There's a reason all the greats were career artists, even Michelangelo.

>>7731847
just buy a small plaster cast of davids eye and do 200 studies on it

>>7731877
I thought most of the people here just want attention?

>>7731898
>>7731902

You can do both. why do people on this site think you can only do ONE METHOD when learning how to draw?

>>7732067
that's all of 4chan, people wouldn't post if the possibility of a reply didn't exist, but that's not the point right now

>>7731850

You can do it yourself but you need to know how it works regarding measuring and every step of doing one, ie height to width, then an envelope, then large general angles, the shadow shape, etc. etc. and you have to be very, very critical of your work. There is an excellent explanation of how-to by some lady on youtube.

>>7731895
One is a fine artist/trading card illustrator, the other is a professional muralist/portrait artist. You might find it interesting that both have trad backgrounds, so take that into account.

>>7731847
>but I wonder if it's outdated
why would it be outdated idiot

>>7731902
doing both sounds hard when you only draw for 10 minutes a day huh

>>7731847
its just another exercise for training your eye to see proportions and values and also has the notability from its history
krenz's first lessons are telling his students to learn how to copy cartoons
so yeah you can train these skills with pretty much anything
the bargue plates themselves are actually just good for this for their clear angels and sharp lighting. even the cartoons krenz presents for his copies are more blocky cartoons vs. ones that are very organic and curve heavy