Why You Should Copy Anime:https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpgNaoki Saito: https://youtu.be/8jsZGeaWkhE?si=6HZIvG9Bx3y9qoHs&t=12AnimeShijuku: https://twitter.com/animesijyuku/status/1717415459778347358Krenz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw**Strive for quantity AND quality.**Anime Studying:>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.General Anime Style Discussion:>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**Recommended Resources:https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc/mmg/ - Manga Making General:>>>/ic/mmgPrevious Thread:>>7684653
>bargue :-/>bargue, chink :-O
>>7730883Very small changes can have significant effects on the impression given. The bottom head for example looks like the eyes are turned downward, but the reference eyes are looking forward. Mostly it's because of the difference in eye shape, but I suspect the accumulation of many small differences over the whole face are contributing.I will focus on anatomy first before continuing. I think I would have learned twice as much if I understood everything I was copying.
>>7731937Yurine is a shit.
There was an attempt.I didn't realize the reference was AI until I started copying it but it is still better than me so I learned a few things anyway.
>>7732786>I didn't realize the reference was AIwe've reached the end
>>7732787You will never compete with Ai. Ai just learned to crawl, soon it will be in a full sprint. If you aren't drawing because you enjoy it, you aren't going to make it.
>>7732787It's more that I wasn't paying attention to detail until I started drawing and then I just decided to continue anyway because of the sunk cost fallacy.
>>7732789Good morning saar!
>>7732799Good morning shitter in denial.
>>7732801Good saar, two more weeks. India will make drawing anime like in Japan guaranteed saar.
>>7732848But Ai is already better than you. No need to wait.
>>7732850It's not, less there would be no need to scrape my data and sell it or the dying need to access my brain. Glowies and techies are boiling excrement out their ears 24/7 and this simple fact.
>>7731959lel
>>7732789I'd disagree. Ai is free to use. I hate people so Ai will allow people to create their own mistakes. It only benefits a few select people as a crutch. People like Sam Altman want you to believe that Ai is important and that it'll change your life for the better. Denying the fact these guys haven't fucked their wives in years. Ai will never replace a skilled human.
>>7732850Good morning saar, please pay for anime commission. Really indisitinguishable from Japan original saar! Good quality for your value!
>>7732786It does look like AI shit. Some retarded scamming "artists" think they can get away with tracing slop, but you can never take away the slop look from slop.
Asg has fallen, grim....
>>7733306Then post something. The Ai threads are full of art.
>>7732416Nice studies anon! Please do more Araragi or other monogatari series character studies. It's always great to see more of art of that aesthetic, it's just so peak...
Anime is AI food, a waste of time.
Her beauty will remain in our heart forever
>>7732786AInime thpdd
>>7733743
prob random, but does anyone know if the aritst __meshigaumai came back under a new handle or something? i keep seeing his stuff pop up on pinterest
>>7733722Thank you, I will definitely come back to it after I learn some fundamentals or whenever I have extra time.>It's always great to see more of art of that aesthetic, it's just so peak...Can you put into words what makes it so good? I think it would be ideal to draw while focusing on what makes it appealing, but I can't seem to pinpoint why I like it.
Trying to motivate myself into drawing again. Is it just me that started well in digital but now is sucking to finish everything there nowadays? I mean, I feel like something changed that made my process worse in digital with time instead of improving. >>7733743The Final layer not being the final is funny lol.
>>7734889My main theory is that I'm not getting the hold of digital pen anymore. It feels too big since I played with trad and it seems like I can't see well in the screen anymore, idk.
No idea what the concept for this was except tits
>>7731937Asked in /mmg/ and figured I'd ask here as well.What is the "fun with a pencil" book of anime/manga drawing?
>>7735342pretty much the same books as you'll see recommended in general, well, instead of fun with a pencil, figure drawing for all its worth is the loomis book basically every jap artist has on their bookshelf.
>>7735490original
>>7734889I started with pen tablet, moved to screen tablet and returned to pen tablet because I couldn't get used to the pen on screen feeling. Might be fixable with time but since some pros still prefer a pen tablet or use both there might be differences in comfort between them.
can you queers murder copefag already
>>7731937Recent study. Critque and advise?
>>7734890Trad is chad. /thread
>>7734889Just focus on fun for a bit. Not everything is about improovment. You'll improve by by default just by drawing more having fun imo.
>>7735393Lying, conniving people giving bogus interview tips.
Oh wow my shitty Louise study reached OP image
>>7736606good taste earns it
>>7735490I'm realizing that I should have pushed the contrast a lot more to match the original.
>>7736129Looks good anon.To me the okarun looks a little too wide, this could also be a stylistic choice and I don't think it looks bad by any means.
Seeking advice cause lsg is too busy bickering
>>7731937The murata one is fucking epic, kudos to whoever drew it. NO IM NOT A PDFILE NOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>7736703I think the right eye is a little too big and could maybe be more central. I would move the ear lower, generally the ear should be below the eye line unless the head is angled downwards. Moving the ear lower can also make a character look cuter. I think the mouth could be narrower. This is a personal preference but I would also make the chin sharper with a curve for the cheek.Other than that I think it is decent. I actually like the way you drew the hair even if it doesn't follow what you would usually see in the "anime style"
>>7736736Thank you anon.
2 different artstyle
>>7736736Amazing just how much of a difference small changes make. Thanks again anon
>>7735393Loomis looms over the planet...
>>7737185That's pretty good congrats anon
>>7736703try drawing highly detailed floors
>>7735342>What is the "fun with a pencil" book of anime/manga drawing?hitokaku
Any artists you like who stream/record their work occasionally?
I'm pretty happy with this, it scratched my animu itch.
>>77319371996-2008
>>7739776https://www.youtube.com/@nekojira425https://www.youtube.com/@がわこhttps://www.youtube.com/@はいむらきよたか-s4i (toaru no index artist)https://www.youtube.com/@leviathan0902https://www.youtube.com/@SUZUHIRAChannelhttps://www.youtube.com/@HxxGhttps://www.youtube.com/@yuzunahiyo9681https://www.youtube.com/@shareillustrationsand many more
I heckin love anime
>>7741615>no replies to this in two daysI'm gonna assume this isn't good enough for /asg/>>7743969I think this is very nice. the texture feels very physical and traditional. the proportions are good too,I really like it!
>>7744803No, it's really good. It's just that /asg/ is dead. Is one the reference and one your own, or did you draw both?
>>7744814the left is the reference, the right side is my attempt.
My attempt at an original pose
>>7745294blog?
>>7745294A little wonky but it coulda been worse.I really like the detailing on the fur
>>7745294You were able to capture Marin's resemblance well enough that I can tell this is supposed to be her, which is good, but her anatomy needs more work. Marin should have a fuller figure: her waist shouldn't taper that exaggeratedly, and her thighs should be significantly thicker. In addition, her breasts should be smaller. Another thing that could be improved is her hair. Marin's hair isn't fluffy, jagged, and frayed; it's straight and smooth. Try using shots from the anime as references. Picrel is from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIaaWSaGYfw
>>7745837@insouziant on twit
20 minute study attempt
dont forget to join the anime general study server!!!https://discord.gg/3bwdfRk
>>7745294The hips need to be wider than the shoulders>but muh asian body then just make them slightly bigger than the shoulder or just as wide like >>7745907 women with no hips are a sad sight.>>7746359 sexo simple as
>>7742306Appreciate the response, I didn't realize someone had responded for a while.
I don't know what to draw with these horses :( help
>>7749435
>>7741615very nice. I can't decide which style I like more.
How do you do tiny white details in black like the white lines in the hair in this pic when drawing trad?
>>7750881Forgot pic
>>7750881They make whiteout pens
There was a book about drawing breasts on e-hentai that I remember being pretty alright, anyone have the link to it? My dumbass forgot to bookmark or download it.
>>7752914https://exhentai.org/?f_search=other%3A%22how+to%24%22+oppai
i can't ever settle on noses that i like. can you post examples of noses that you like
>>7752975you must look within anon,you need only ask the man in the mirror.be not the artist that wants to draw what others want..be the artist that draws what the artist wants.
>>7752975almost nothing in anime can just be lifted from a different style without concern for ruining cohesion.>can you post examples of noses that you likeany good example you could pick does noses that way for a good reason that inter-depends on everything else in the style.
>>7753157Pgood
wtf are these lines even supposed to be? the student obviously needs to study head anatomy to achieve this.he didn’t teach anything to the beginner, he’s just using a guide that he already knows how to use to fix the drawing.he is fixing not teaching.
Tried to make something original
>>7754388source with timestamp?>anatomywhat does it mean to learn "head anatomy" if not drawing proper heads in the style?
>>7754397very booba quite nice
>>7750881>>7750882good pen control. you can either start light hatching and go denser as you reach the blacks, or you start with black block in and feather outwards to make a gradation
>>7754397where can i masturbate to more of your work?
>>7754388the parallel lines are for the form of the face, with the arrows giving indication for eye direction. The other line is where the cheek ends and the eye socket begins. For an anime style face, the eyes are basically flat projected over the face like a piece of tape. The anime face is much flatter than you think in 3D space, it only really became apparent to me after looking at game models to see how they create the form.
im proud of my progress this year. thanks for all the advice /asg/
>>7755382>For an anime style face, the eyes are basically flat projected over the face like a piece of tape.
>>7755428I'm happy to be proven wrong by a genius artist like you anon but I'm not sure how else you would think of the eyes. Like if you look at how people model an anime girl in 3D take notice of how flat the eyes are - basically a plane running through the centre of the face horizontally.
>>7755449Pic related
>>7755449>I'm not sure how else you would think of the eyesThink of them as 2D designs. 3D is a simplification of 2D anime to make it work in the limited setting of 3D.
>>7755382like I said, he's just using a guide that he already knows how to use, the student will learn nothing
>>7755453i.e. anime eyes are bunch of 2D designs chosen carefully for every prominent angle, 3D is one concrete object shown from different angles
>>7755456>the student will learn nothingproof? can you show us how to do it properly and link to the video?
>>7755457>>7755453>>7755456Yes I agree they are 2D designs, and then those 2D designs are placed on this thin flat plane over the face. This is how you make sense of that in 3D with the rest of the forms in the body/the scene as a whole, and importantly keep the eyes as visible as possible since they are the defining feature of anime style faces.The lines he is using are trying to show where to place that strip. Japanese artists do this all the time if you look at their WIPs.
>>7755461>proof80% of /beg/s who use the cross guide still don’t know how to draw a facebecause they don't know how to place the cross, just like this artist doesn't teach them how to place the line>link to the videothe artist is /asg/ "essential" and it's literally on the thumbnail of his latest video
>>7755188X is NghtmreArt
>>7755475how should we learn head anatomy then if Japanese can't teach it? can you show us?
>>7755428that's a pretty common beginner trick actually.
It's difficult.. (no trace)
>>7755523
>>7755467>are placed on this thin flat plane over the face>make sense of that in 3Din 3D programs but not in 2D anime. 2D > 3D>>7755520>beginner trickprecisely, it doesn't show the full concept because the drawing of the further eye remains the same instead of changing according to the design like it does in 2D anime. it's extremely dangerous in our cultural climate to downplay the complexity of 2D anime.
>>7755523Update
>>7754388>wtf are these lines even supposed to be?Use your fucking brain holy shit
>>7749288Very Cute
Anyone have success doing animu faces with Huston's sailboat method?
>HAVENT BEEN HERE IN YEARS>WONDER HOW GOOD HAS EVERYONE GOT OR THE BOARD HAS IMPROVED>SEE THIS >>7756940HOLY FUCKING KEK YOU NIGGAS STILL NGMI LMAO
>>7757040Shut the FUCK up before I eat you, M&M poster
>>7757040Show us your anime big bro
>>7732786>I didn't realize the reference was AItbf,AI images with some effort look pretty convincing
>>7757218I never understood the AI hate, jewartists hate it because they know they will replace them and will have to actully get a job, normal artists don't care because they draw because they like to draw
>>7757221>I never understood the AI hateit's hard when you're a subhuman with low cognitive resolution, sad.
>>7757228I'm still waiting for an actual answer that doesn't involve artists crying about money
>>7757229Most arguments weren't about monkey, you retarded tech drone. Go talk to your chatbots if you can't even pay attention to what you're reading.
>>7757233>you retarded tech droneYour schizofrenia is showing , I don't use AI, I just draw for fun . I'm still waiting for an actual response tho. I've yet to see one.
>>7757218
>>7757237money*Anyway, you're a couple of years too late to be trolling this board.
>>7757238So the answer is normies are to blame?
>>7757221>I never understood the AI hateikr? real artists like Ui have even taken advantage of AI, using it to compete with vsingersyou can already see some smaller composers who want real vocals starting to use Ui's soundbank instead of hiring commission singers>inb4 it's Ui's voice and is trained with Ui’s consentthen artists should sell their own AI trained art instead of drawing everything themselvesI mean I can sense that some big artists will use "official AI-assisted artwork" as their lowest-priced commission tier in the future, and their fans will be like "at least he is being honest about it"
>I eat shit and don't mind it!Shut up
>>7757657No need to announce your fetish anon
AsgAI study general
>>7757221You mentioned jewartists and real artists, but what about consumers? If you're an artist, there's a good chance you're also an art consumer, which would mean you have a vested interest in maximizing the amount of high-quality art that you see and minimizing the amount of low-quality art. I hate AI because it's so obviously ugly. There are certain characteristics that all generations have unless the prompter cares enough to steer the AI away from them, such as bad anatomy (and structure in general), lighting/shading, coloring, composition, and perspective.
>>7758146I don't see how this is an AI issue, shit art is the majority of the art out there , we just filter them out or follow only good artists
>>7758154Sure, but I can say with no exaggeration that AI makes it infinitely easier to publish bad art nowadays than ever before. AI slop has completely permeated the internet. You can't even reliably filter it out in boorus because there are fools who trace AI and think that makes them exempt from labelling their work as AI-generated.
quicky
>>7758159>You can't even reliably filter it out in boorusMy brain automatically filters anything non-Japanese styled, it's unironically like an AI model I trained in my brain and you can do it too. Anything non Japanese anime styled doesn't register as art to my brain and gets filtered. AI slop triggers this filter automatically so there is no need to train a specific anti AI model after you have the automatic filter up and running.Also I mostly use boorus for looking up specific artists I've already vetted or for finding official_art of a specific series.
>>7758159>with no exaggeration that AI makes it infinitely easier to publish bad art nowadaysOhh absolutely,but shit will get filtered even by our eyes over time and most posted AI slop is low effort that is blatantly obvious so not like I have to look twice
>>7758179Somehow the proportions of your face are more pleasing due to the head not being elongated. However, comparing them side by side the reference has a much long ribcage, causing the should to be higher than what you did. Boob volume is bigger in the reference too.
>>7758667>Somehow the proportions of your face are more pleasing
>>7758204
>>7758713I'll have to ask my 2-year-old to translate this.
>>7758810I don't get it anon.
According to Marc Brunet my beloved Grid is just as bad as tracing? Gonna try it out today https://youtu.be/BzPLTcHtw0Y?&t=169
>>7758713Just say that you don't agree instead of posting this schizo image. It's a very slight difference for the face and its largely derivative of Asanagi's anyways
>>7759284Not neccesarily.It depends on the way you use the grid and whether or not using it makes you stop asking questions about your subject.Krenz week 0 recommends the grid for drawing and learning observationKeys to Drawing also mentions thisIf you're drawing with a tool like a grid method you should be making mental notes like "Oh this part is much smaller or bigger than what I would have thought, etc" which will translate to your visual library if you do it consistently.Ironically Marc's final point in the video "You are only ever drawing from memory" is the most valid.
ass-anagi is just japanese shadman
>>7759402I praise lord Asanagi not for his subject matter, but for his drawing skills. He's my favorite artist and i only wish to be able to draw like him, and about his stories. Well some are engaging but it's not my cup of tea.
Retarded question ahead.How do digital artists pick their value range? I consider it wizardry to be able to draw with only black and white and show so much detail with just lineweight.If I try to do everything in B&W it gets lost easily.
>>7759316>very slight differencefor low CR individuals.
what is the common term for that multi-level shading old anime had?
>>7760215example?
>>7760460I wanted to say Dirty Pair... but I looked it up and it doesn't have that. So now all I can tell you it was sometimes used in old anime. Deeper crevices etc get even darker patches within the 1st tier of shadow, basically.
>>7760494I don't know if it has a special name beyond the 1st/2nd/3rd shadow terminology used in illustration (2号影 on this pic).
>>7731937
>>7760540i think smoking girl is hot, but i never smoked entire my life
>>7760541not as a bad as drinking but those tend to go hand in hand
What pencils do yall like to use or do we only digital draw here?
>>7760938pentel sharp and kuru toga advanced upgrade
>>7760938
>>7737556I still don't know how to apply stuff from those books in a useful way (or from any book for that matter). Maybe I'm just too retarded for art>>7746416Wasn't that helpful for me, I hope others had better luck
>>7732787what low cognitive resolution does to a mf.
>>7763934mudrock's eyes are a bit off one eye is slightly wider than the other and her neck anatomy is misplaced
Looking at this sketch someone else drew and am I right to assume that the lines used on the tail and hair are acceptable, but most of the other lines are chicken scratch and I should avoid sketching like that?
>>7764733there are no rules you can do what u want, look up black souls CGs for reference
>>7764733if you know why you're placing a line and it makes sense for the final shape it's fine, usually when you see a lot of lines even in pro sketches it's variant lines they're still choosing between or something that will indicate future painting stuffalso experienced people will have their own shorthand system for sketching so it's really artist dependent and not necessarily what you should follow in every case
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Man no matter how many anime eyes I draw I feel like I don't have a good grasp of themI feel like I'm putting lines on there at random even if the result looks good it doesn't feel right when I'm doing it. How the hell does the structure work.
>>7764733why are you thinking so deeply about it? all that matters is whether or not you understand what's going on in a sketch.to avoid chicken scratch, study and work on line confidence. actual chicken scratch is the result of not knowing what you're doing. trying to avoid it won't do anything, the only way to avoid it is to understand what you're doing.
>>7764733Do you happen to know who sketched this?
>>7769164pyw
Not too bad if I do say so myself.
>>7769762recognizable style. It's a gift to have it. Slightly off-putting, but not bad, indeed. Baki sure looks weirder
>>7769164you're overthinking itthey're real eyes that are proportionally enlarged and with shapes merged, plus details omittednot even joking: go and look for reference of a dolled up asian girl, draw her face as best you can, and do these 4 things:>increase the size vertically of the eyes to roughly just above the tip of the nose while keeping the height of the upper lid at roughly the same height of your reference (or don't, since this is both a style and character age choice)>merge the eyeliner/bottom plane of the upper lid, the outer corner of the eye, and the lashes into a single shape. hatching is fine as long as the shape reads as an even area of tone>erase the tear duct. most styles omit the tear ducts>adjust the iris and pupil size to taste, but ensure that the proportion of how much the iris and pupil are covered by the eye lids matches the ref (eg if the lid is covering the top 50% of the iris/pupil in the ref, do the same in your drawing regardless of how big you make them)try this and see if it helps
Anyone have good books on how to draw backgrounds like in anime?I am looking for something in english as I suck at backgrounds and wanna improve. I know theres an element of photo bashing but hopefully someone has anything that can help. Books, videoes, etc. To capture that anime style BG.Thank you.
>>7773003just put anime background tutorial in youtube, there are dozens of videos how to paint and them in 3d as well.
I got CSP instead of Krita.Damn.
Are there any nip artists that make strong use of lineart? Not just the basic thin lines in manga, but skillfully using them for artistic effect?
>>7773994I can't think of one off the top of my head but there's plenty of manga with pretty stylish art that might fit.
>>7758179its not exact but i think you adjusted the proportions well enough to make your copy overall appealing. Only nitpick I have is that you could have done a better job copying how the fat of her thighs are drawn.
How does one choose what to shade and what not to?
>>7773003I'd recommend Yoshida Seiji but all his stuff is in jp. I found his videos quite helpful to break down the process thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1zppH5PSig
>>7778538Not that guy but thanks, I've been finding a bit of joy in actually painting backgrounds lately instead of the usual flat color/gradient/random shapes meme.
>>7775482damn this looks really good blog?
>>7778672Karasu_Chan1204 on twitter.
I'm studying proportions can i have some feedback?
>>7779208it looks like you just squished the body, things become thinner accordingly unles you're doing short stacks
>>7779208Necks seem off center from the collarbone, push them more to the left Kozeki
>>7779681>kozekimeds
>>7755481Any other new account yet? It's a shame that I couldn't see other works of yours
>>7779681I don't draw like that, check your low cognitive resolution
>>7779770new one is ZhenZero_1
How accurate to you consider good enough before calling it?
why do some japanese artists have such insanely wobbly lines? (pic related) it's not just one artist but multiple i've seen that have lines that look like they were drawn with a vibrator attached to their hand. it goes beyond just having stabilizer turned off. the fuck are they doing and why?
>>7780671they draw very zoomed out
>>7780671if it's that bad, something is wrong with their tablet/settings/software. or they are sketching on a phone or something.
I did a copy of one of yohan1754's pieces.I'm using the Dorian Iten accuracy guide but I have no idea if doing this correctly. I feel like I'm relying too much on checking and comparing alignments, and I'm really struggling with copying accurate faces and breasts.I was also wondering if you guys have an alternate way to copy anime art that's faster. I still plan to use Dorian's accuracy guide to train observation, but this copy took around 2 hours to do.
>>7781029you have the right idea, but you might want to keep track of the alignments mentally so that they don't distract the overall drawingdrawing a simple envelope first and using negative shapes would help
