The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.Previous thread:>>7720994Some resources:/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asgBooks:Understanding Comicshttps://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/Making Comicshttps://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255dManga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Mangahttps://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwritinghttps://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/Even a Monkey Can Draw Mangahttps://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdfThe Shonen Jump Guide to Making Mangahttps://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6WpgVideos:"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videosManben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videosOP image is from Hellsing Chapter 16 Page 8.
>>7735213Some western / indie publishers of Manga:Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.> Seemingly taking submissions at present if http://www.antarctic-press.com/html/submissions.php is anything to go on.Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )> *The* western manga publisher.> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.> Still might be worth a shot anyway.Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )> Small indie manga publisher> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes> Allows crossposting to other sitesIconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/))>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration
>>7735214Other open comic publishers:Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faqTop Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).Additional publisher lists:> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/
>>7735215/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onographyhttps://discord.gg/QYnFBves7Vhttps://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)Additional community added Resources:Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videosGanmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/postsHow (You) can help /mmg/:> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.> Don't be a crab> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.
>>7735285whats with the pixelation
>>7735289I am currently in the middle of storyboarding. I have all the pages laid out together so I can eyeball the whole thing, but to not have insane canvas dimensions each page draft is small. When it's time to draw the actual page, I just grab the corresponding draft and blow it up to the correct size.
Is this the "fun with a pencil" book but for manga drawing?If not what is it?
>>7735336Good question, I've never read any how-to's for manga. I'll check and get back to ya
>>7735778This series of How to Draw Manga books are probably considered some of the best. There are several books in this series too, ranging from lots of different subjects, like individual books on how to draw Male characters, Female characters, fight scenes, how to tone pages, how to gear works toward certain genres (shounen, shoujo, mecha) etc.I actually still have maybe four or five of them, and still reference them on occasion.
>>7735865I have nearly the whole collection from back in the day, good shit. Really useful for me since I do trad and this was made before digital was standard
>>7735865These are great. Honestly helped me a lot.
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>>7736334Hmm el vino
>>7736574Where IS everyone? It's one thing to say people are drawing their comics, but I cannot recall in recent history /mmg/ being this insanely slow.
>>7736710/mmg/ is full of hardworking anon'sso much so that we sometimes forget to eat, shower, spend time with our loved ones or that this place even exists aso the end of the year is coming up so maybe some of us are starting to feel a bit of pressure to make as much progress as possible before it ends
>>7736734I wonder how many of us are over 30
>>7736710this board is dead and this general is not even top 5 most active generals here
>>7736710I'm right here, bro. What do you want to talk about?>>7736748When I was on artfight I was pretty shocked to see some people on there that were like 40-60. It's entirely possible we have people in this thread with grandchildren.
>>7736755I can't imagine still drawing for fun at that age, I'm out of here before 40 if I don't make it. And by here I mean Earth.
>>7736710I just haven't been drawing at all. Been on break since mid-august.
>>7736734Are those VHS's?
>>7736748I think its a good 40% are in their 30s or older.
>>7736775>I can't imagine still drawing for fun at that ageWhy? Do you not enjoy drawing?
>>7736710We all gave up. AI slop is cluttering the internet. It's harder and harder to get your shit out there. Plus I'm already dogshit, but maybe I might've had a chance in the environment 10 years ago. But now it's just fucking joever.
>>7736849We?
>>7736863lol check out this non-quitter, I bet he still has hopes and dreams.
>>7736867No reason to quit, drawing is fun.
I'll never quit. Worst comes to worst I'll end up drawing porn just for myself.I hope Jesus will understand
>>7736710gaming>>7736863Shut it, frenchie
>>7736710Sorry anon I've been unable to draw any manga page in the last 3 years ;-;
I'll never give up. When they find me dead, it'll be face-down at my drawing desk. 1000 pages made, and all of which were only half finished, never released to the world.
>>7736849>only drawing to reach other people, not for the joy of drawingFucking hell.
>>7736985everyone here starts out with joy, but the spirit can be worn down.
>>7736985It's depressing after a while when no one cares.
My autism overpowers any notion if AI
>>7736992>>7736999Don't let crabs, trolls, and nodraws ruin your fun. The act of drawing is an end in itself.
>>7736810yes sir
>>7736891>Gaming This . It is Japanese video games at least so close to making manga
uh... can we try this one again guys
>>7736734Nice page, where can I read your comic?
Did anyone try posting on mangaplus? What's the tip to maximize views?t.trying to make it to the top 5 for the monthly award
>>7737165BR-anon is that you? Didn't you learn your lesson the last time you did this? You spent all this time trying to make it to the top of the monthly charts to get the award, you actually made it for one month, then when your manga slid off the charts when the next month rolled around you were gloomposting about how sad you were for the next two threads until you finally posted about how you realized the whole chasing awards thing was a fool's errand.
>>7737165I'm not sure what it actually takes to get views outside of already having a fanbase to send to mangaplus. You need a fanbase of retarded thirdies in order to really do it though.
>>7737202>You need a fanbase of retarded thirdies in order to really do it though.Not the anon you were talking to, but please explain.
>>7737208Every comic I see that's high in the rankings has traffic from another site coming to check it out. Its not people trawling mangaplus looking for good shit.
>>7737209>traffic from another site coming to check it outHow would you even go about verifying this for XYZ comic? Are they saying they're coming from somewhere in the comments or something?
from Kagurabachi
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how many fucking "guys in white dress shirts battling demons in tokyo" mangas are there
>>7737222is this what "making it" is?making the higher ups at WSJ good money while you literally kill yourself with an insane workload and no extra time to finish your panels?
>>7737217This is why I try not to get bogged down with worry about whether I am drawing everything super well. I am genuinely trying to improve each day, but then I remind myself that story comes first regardless.
The only useful manga to compare yourself to are oneshots and pilot chapters. Those are the ones that are trying to stand on their own and appeal to a non existant fanbase. They're trying to be read by new people, so you can learn from their techniques and see what worked. Professionals releasing nfinished chapters deep into an established popular story are not playing by the same rules as random indie people trying to make it.
>>7737165>>7737198>>7737202>>7737209i just saw what won the latest silver award on that shithole of a site. i've lost full faith in that dogshit website and shonen jump, rotten to core declining garbage
>>7737156until its finished, you can't, but I do post pages here as I get them doneI haven't done so in a while cause the current part i'm doing is not that interesting visually >>7737165your best bet is just to make a thumbnail that stands out>>7737269>August third place is AI slopkek i'd be so mad if I was any of the guys that ranked below italso, second place of this month is also AI but the months is not finished. Sill tho, mangaplus has been shit for a whileI don't know what they're trying to achieve with it but there you have itAt least the users aren't shy about harassing the AI people in the comments kek
>>7735865I just bought four of them on ebay, they're all still pretty cheap. I have a few of the later, more "specialized" ones (pretty girls 1 and 2, mecha/giant robots, etc) but the explanations of traditional tools and techniques in the early books are a big help.
>>7737323I wouldn't be surprised if mangaplus was virtually abandoned by its owners except for whatever skeleton crew is there to occasionally check in and make sure the website is still up. The entire site is so poorly made and there doesn't seem to be much of any kind of quality control at all except to whack you over the head if you show any no-no parts even if the scene in question is not meant to be sexual.
Is it true that most manga artists trace backgrounds from real pictures and such? If so, is such a thing forgivable? Sometimes I see some background that's really detailed in a weekly manga and wonder how they do that but someone said they trace
>>7737353https://tips.clip-studio.com/en-us/articles/1261
>>7736710I'm still chugging along, but progress is pretty slow recently
>>7737353i've always wondered how mangaka manage to have so many backgrounds that are altered photos or traced or are 3d backgrounds. Like, do they have an infinite amount of images of various buildings and locations from all sorts of angles that they use?Do they just go all over Japan taking pictures of every location?When they storyboard, do they have to first select which photo to use for the background to then know how to insert the characters in the environment? i imagine that would be so limiting, it just seems like such a hassle but clearly they have a good method since its so common
>>7737353Assistant: drawn the BG Author: drawn characters.
>>7737353Why even concern yourself bro? You’re too lazy to pick up a ruler and do it
>>7737442They send out assistants to take photos. It makes setting stories in modern day Japan a lot more tempting for the artist.
>>7737478what I don't get is like, especially on a weekly deadline, do you do the sketch with the basic composition, and then wait as your assistants rush out into the world to take photos that fit with the composition?it just sounds like such a hassle, I feel like it would be so much easier and versatile to have your assistants hand draw the backgrounds but then again, maybe they just like the more realistic look that pictures provide
>>7737484For me personally, while I get why they do it (there are obvious compromises made for the sake of workload and audience viewership and backgrounds a lot of the time are glossed over) I can't stand the photos or 3d assets converted into lineart. It's so obvious and it takes me out of it. I would rather see a worse quality but hand-drawn background every single time.
>>7737269well the problem is you have to like a comic before you can comment on it, so people are forced to updoot the ai comic to shit on it. Also it became news so people came to see it out of morbid curiosity, which drives the views up. There's no check in place for this kind of thing on mangaplus because its shit. Its not like it actually won for being liked.
>>7737323>>7737269>>7737165My comic got taken down for "copyright infringement" because I had a parody of a popular character there. I suspect another creator reported it. Half my comments were from people asking to trade likes/favorites. I suspect 99% of users on that site is just creators looking to game the system to win the monthly awards.
>>7737642its a shameI think the site is easy to navigate, easy to upload stuff to and it sounds pretty cool to make a platform for amateurs to upload work and then reward and promote the good onesbut its clear they don't really care about running it well
>>7737649>easy to upload stuff toAre we using the same site? Every single time I upload to it, even with every single page clearly named and paginated in numerical order, it always throws it all over the place on the screen like I'm playing 52-card pickup and then I have to manually click every single page into place, I can't just drag and drop. At every single instance I have to fight the UI/UX every time I upload.
>>7737666Some websites will upload pages in the order you click on them from the file viewer. Always select the last page of your batch first and then hold shift + click the first page. Unless it really is screwed up then to hell with it, but this is usually the issue I see anytime I have the option to upload multiple files most places (Not comicfury, strangely)
Why do you guys hate begs so much? One Piece is mostly begshit yet it's really good.
>>7737353>is such a thing forgivable?art is a selfish medium. you'll never be an artist if you worry about permission or what's okay and not ok. An artist does anything to see their vision first and apologizes later.
>>7737777baiterald
>>7737666this happens to me lately too, it must have been a firefox update that broke everything. I have to upload images 3 at a time to make sure it doesn't scramble all 30 pages.
csp perspective ruler is OP
>>7737777>why do you hate /begs/ so muchI sincerely hope your'e kidding. Have you seen some of the anons who draw here? If anything we're one of the most welcoming generals outside of the /beg/ general itself so long as an anon genuinely want to make a comic.
>>7738231Link me up to your site again
>>7738242https://www.instagram.com/ifpartwork/https://globalcomix.com/c/aecast
Whats the max page count for the international manga contest? I see they specify MIN 16 pages but not the MAX
>>7737224To be fair there have always been a lot of "monster hunter" books, series, animations etc...
mangaplus has a lot of AI generated comicsIve been having a field day binging on those lolKinda hilarious how the characters magically jump from one setting to another. Sad that japs let aicels spam though
lmao
>>7738390Two more weeks, and AI will replace all artists saaaar!!
>>7738390Good to see the AI is also an ESL, and has no typography skills.
>>7738390holy fucking kinopeople 500 years in the future will look at this moment in art history as one of those periods where a great revolution in the world of art took place
>>7738405Well by the filename you can see im also an ESL kek>>7738396>>7738424This one didnt even bother writing the text and let the AI do it lolWhy do japs allow this
Test for a one shot
>>7738430>teacaup>>7738431Very cute.
>>7738390What is the point of this, is it just indian bot farms trying to get that prize money or do these people actually think this is their ticket to stardom?
>>7738724Many Indians in the slums are insanely optimistic. I actually admire it.
>>7738724its probably cool if you're new to computers and the internet. They were introduced to ai at the same time as digital drawing so they take up the same amount of space in their minds.
>>7738390BASED. I hope AI technology improves so much that someday people can just storyboard something rough, feed in the AI reference images for the style, and it draws everything for you.AI is based.
>>7738840Good morning, saar.
i always like it when mangaka post their sketches so here's 3 from Chainsaw Man released recently
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I'll be honest, I think the art in csm is dogshit but in a special way. Like they're not even trying to draw well. AoTs art is bad but he clearly is doing his best, CSM looks utterly soulless and miserable to read.
>>7738923I dunno, I think it is an example of how the art complements the actual visuals. It definitely isn't the prettiest, most refined artwork out there by any stretch of the imagination, but sketchy, scratchy style kind of works for the cartoonish gore and violence. Its kind of cheezy in the "exploitative" or "grindhouse" style of say, some horror movies. The visuals are kind of over the top and frantic at times.I definitely don't think the artwork is great, but it works perfectly within the context of setting and what it is depicting, for the most part.
>>7738724According to the rules you can post AI to manga plus. It will appear in the rankings, though it will never be considered by an award.say what you want but the award system is pretty nice.1- There are no default wins.If nobody is gold worthy, nobody gets gold. Instead of the approach of giving gold/silver to the "best of the worst".2- Awards arent received by rankings.Rankings depend on likes, and comment. You can be ranked below 1 or 2 or 3 and get award
>>7738944the art isn't great, just leave it at that. No need to go to bat for him.
>>7738923Idk how you can look at some of those panels and say the art is badThough it looks like the author lost his passion or is burnt out in recent chapters because everything is stiff and lazy and he uses a single line weight
>>7737165I gave up trying after a while, fuck mpc, they don't care, neither do i
Hi guys, im thinking now for a while about drawing a horror comic, that has the same structure as a 90-100 minutes movie, a slasher, like Friday the 13th?But how much work would it be, how long would a 90min movie be as a comic, round about. Of course it depends on style and preference how many pages a scene would take and so on.But i would like to know the aproximate scope of such a project. Is it more 100-200 pages, or 1000+?
>>7739229It's really entirely up to you.
>>7739231I mean not quite. 10 pages would be too short.I know Horodrowski made a giant comic book as a story board for his planned movie Dune, but the movie supposed to be 4 hours or something.
>>7739243>I mean not quite. 10 pages would be too short.10 extremely compressed pages could in theory be told in a 90 minute movie. Again, it's up to you.
>>7739229as >>7739231 its up to you how you structure things, but if your structuring it like a movie beat for beat, Id expect it to be more or less 300 pages for a 90 minute movie, through comparing it to other comics that have been adapted to movies. Watchmen was 450 pages long, and was turned into a 2 hours and 40 long movie, where as Jojos Phantom blood is 3 hours long in total, and is 950 pages long, so honestly, the content in your pages is probably gonna change that too. Manga styles tend to have less going on ,and focus on big moments, like a 2 page spread of a cool guy swinging a sword, where as comics might have an entire fight on a 9 panel pagePoint is, it could be a good idea to look at storyboards and see how their structered, I'm in the same boat as you, in that I've tried to pace my own comic more like a movie, than as a comic, but in truth, I probably know as much as you. Probably just start drawing, compare your work to others, and learn as you go
>>7739229I would say about 200 pages, maybe 100 if information is condensed.
>>7739251>>7739260Thx that helped.Manga leans more towards animation and comic towards book illustrations.I think the former is more cinematic.I think for a slasher movie you would make the chassing scene longer, manga like, to build up suspense.Maybe i should try to convert some iconic horror movie scenes into comics, to get a feeling for it.
>>7739265thats a good idea, maybe dont go all in, but do rough penciling, and draft a scene or 2, I did that and was surprised with how quick adapting "talking scenes" are compared with "action scenes". In that with adapting an action scene, a page might only be 5 seconds of time, where as a talking scene could be 45 seconds a page
>>7739229split a movie up into scenes and then group the scenes into acts and then count how many acts and scenes are in the movie. In a comic a scene can be anywhere from 1-10 pages so I'm thinking 40-50 pages is the minimum.
Have there been any more seasons of Million Tag after that first one? It was very inspiring and helped me get my first one shot done
>>7738915>>7738918>>7738920The art for part 1 was so good. It makes want to cry to remember how it looks like now...
