Why do artists tend to go insane and/or break down mentally so often?Does drawing make you go crazy?
>>7737955The reward ratio of art is so skewed that a lot of them become unable to cope. No matter what any artist tells you, there are external reasons why they draw, even if it's just posting to 4chinz for (you)s. When artists feel that nobody values their work, or that they aren't improving enough, they break.
Does doing stuff that is 100% in violation of your biological programming (hunt, fuck, make babies, eat juicy meat and talk to family around the fire, repeat) make you go crazy? I wonder.
Society is insane and artists actually have the capacity to see this. Most people are just NPCs and do what the tv tells them.
Also, art isn't really seen as work by most people. You can be a genius artist and people will still think you are a complete loser. The only thing they care about is money and social status. Talent is invisible to them.
>>7737959cavemen liked to do paintings
>>7737955Why do you keep posting the same threads over and over you dumbfuck autist? Not enough attention from your parents
It's mentally exhausting to usher up your inner voice into images. It's same with all performers and entertainers, even politician and other public figures. Normies wouldn't understand.
>>7738044Why are you monitoring /ic/ instead of drawing?
>>7737955Major part of art is deconstructing things to simplify and then represent them. I reckon people with an affinity for art are naturally good at this and end up applying the same psychological mechanism. Breaking everything apart to find meaning. Turning that sort of thinking inward. It can be good and rewarding but also bad and destruction. Or that's what I think anyways.
>>7737955artists are losers, always have beentwitter artists watching porn all day so they can draw a random character getting fucked for patreonbux is no different from leonardo studying cadavers all day so he could better portray some rich royal sponsor's inbred face
>>7737955that's kind of a funny question. I guess you could say because it's a field of passion which is more emotional. the same can be said with music and the other arts.but a banker or some other nerdy job can also just as easily go crazy right?
humans hate failing but to become good at art you must fail repeatedly for a long time i think that can break the mind a bit
>>7737965I wonder. I feel arists have a higher than average NPC count.
Art is different from other hobbies. First, getting good at art is extremely hard. It requires a lot of practice *and* intelligence. Most will get filtered and maybe broken by that alone. The second reason I think might be due to a lack of recognition for your work. Pouring your heart, time and energy into something, only for it to fall into the void can't be good for your mental health. The third and maybe biggest reason: most artists have other issues unrelated to art. Loneliness, financial problems, mental health problems... I think art ends up attracting a lot of people that are already broken or bound to break sooner or later.
>>7737955It's a combination of isolation and being a creative type. Drawing isn't for extroverts, you gotta be a recluse/hermit like Ditko.
I'm happy that I used to be a bit of a gamer, so I have no problem locking in on completely meaningless activities that the boomer-stacy complex looks down upon.
>>7738127>isolation/thread
>>7737959Cavemen painted. It's the cubicle wagies who should be going nuts.
>>7737955I think it's the reverse. Being crazy makes you draw, or rather crazy people are more likely than sane people to stick with drawing.
If I stop now, then my mom was right.
>>7738115confirmation bias from being on the internet too damn long, dog.
>>7738127Finding massive success while being practically invisible is almost impossible now. I am jealous that he and Watterson are able to do that.
>>7737959>100% in violation of your biological programming (hunt, fuck, make babies, eat juicy meat and talk to family around the fire, repeat) make you go crazy?Wagies don't hunt, they're afraid of women because of #MeToo and Tinderhoes are quitting so they don't fuck, marriages are low and divorces are high so they don't make babies, they're vegan so no meat, let alone juicy, individualism is on the rise so no family gatherings around the fire, repeat.No wonder "bullshit jobs" did a lot of damage to wagies mental health but we're talking about artists here, the weirdos that paint birds in the wild, fuck in orgies like 1960s hippies and smoke anything withint brush distance.
>>7738205Ditko didn't get rich off his work on Spiderman. Stan Lee took all the credit and Ditko was living in poverty.
Being an artist means you are either some kind of genius who are always crazy and insane, or you are going insane from doing the same thing over and over again and never improving. You can't learn being good at art. You either can do it or not. And those who can't do it will have mental breakdowns.
>>7738446I cant believe people worshipped that asshole... damn...
>>7737955romanticizing mental illness and drug/alcohol use to destress, topped with inconsistant sleep and voluntary isolation for long periods of time. to get to the higher tiers and not off yourself you just have to be built different
>>7738446This anon is right, Stan Lee did this shady stuff to almost all his artists.>>7738492That's a common tale in the capeshit biz, there's also Bob Kane that didn't credit Bill Finger (and Jerry Robinson) for their contributions to the Batman franchise like his costume, his villains, his sidekick..
>>7737955That's because many of the fags you see having a melty are underaged or in their early 20's, and quite possibly get too much interaction if they're big enough. Actually if you go on xitter and leddit you'll see tons of schizos sperging and posting the dumbest takes. Not only artists
>>7738955>Bob Kane that didn't credit Bill Finger (and Jerry Robinson) for their contributions to the Batman franchise like his costume, his villains, his sidekick..Bob created the batman, the guy wearing red in picrel, but 99% of his mythos was created by Bill and Jerry.
>>7738964>guy wearing red in picrel
>>7738446>>7738492>>7738965BTW Ditko created the Spider-Man iconic look too, not Stan Lee. Stanley just chose it over Jack Kirby's Spidey design
>>7738955Stan Lee did this shady stuff to almost all his artists.tell me more anonVery interested, ngl
>tfw I value my sanityI'm ngmi aren't I
>>7738106source of the capture?
>>7739122It's from an enako video. Enako the cosplayer
>>7739153Man, this girl used to look so good when she was younger. I hate whatever devil told her to "fix" her teeth and slim down
>>7737955I drawn for 34 years, and still have not gain world recognition, in fact, I barely make a living with my art. But I am grateful, grateful to be able to keep doing art. I think it is that feeling of gratefulness, which I sometimes have to remind myself of, it is that feeling that kept me sane. Appreciate what little you have and make art. That art feels more valuable to me, the time and effort required to make it. All good vibes
>>7737955mental illness is a prerequisite for learning how to do art. you have to be willing to sit down and focus on one task for hours at a time, and be able to do that every single week if you want to keep your volume up. you have to be willing to burn through whatever free time you have on the weekend when not wage-slaving on weekdays. you get no rest at all unless you're doing art well enough to not need a day job, sacrificing whatever social life you could otherwise have. art is for autists.
>>7737955>Does drawing make you go crazy?I'm sure there's elements that do so, but I'd also argue that art just attracts crazy people in general. I'm sure there's something about the prestige of being an artist, and the ability to express yourself in unique ways, that attracts such people.It's also something a lot of... "underdeveloped" people are attracted to, because of cartoons and such, so you end up with people like chris-chan.>>7738446Was he living in poverty? I believe he always had an office separate from his home that he rented out, and that he would be receiving royalties for his prior work, which is still basically the most celebrated in spiderman's run, even if he didn't receive a co-creator title.As for Stan Lee, I think he dicked a lot of people over, but I don't necessarily think he was a bad guy either, it was just an new-ish industry where questions of who created what could be hard to answer because such scenarios hadn't legal precedent.We can say that the artists were obviously co-creators now, but that's likely because we're both biased (as artists) and because we're parroting the opinions we've heard through osmosis. Were we blank slates and heard about these scenarios when they happened, we may have very different opinions.Stan Lee was in the unenviable position of being the patient zero for such authorship claims, as well as being both a creator himself, and a thorough company man.I think he likely knew from the beginning that all the co-authorship claims were true, but Lee needed to also protect the interests of Marvel - and that meant not giving an inch, and only having it taken.To give an idea of how complicated this shit can be; authors are now demanding co-authorship for writing on characters they never created, because they wrote aspects of of said character that came to define them.Do they deserve that co-authorship? Opinion seems quite split, and this was likely the case back in the day with Ditko and Kirby.
