I'm currently experimenting with the following workflow:1) Generate hundreds of images in MidJourney2) Select elements from different images that interest me3) Composite the images in Clip Studio Paint (plus add mannequins and perspective grid depending on where I'm going)4) Project the entire image onto a piece of paper5) Trace the image that I see, making LOTS of adjustments as necessary (I have a trad art background so this isn't too hard)6) Photograph the drawing, open it up in CSP, and continue to make adjustments until I have a finished pieceSo far I love the results. I think this workflow uses the best aspects of AI while also using the best aspects of trad and digital art. Ideas for how to improve it? I want to experiment with 3D models and environments as well.
>>7738891be waery of "garbage in; garbage out". What you're doing is essentially going seven proxies behind your traced drawings from something that isn't actually anything close to being your own work then hoping that people like it. I honestly don't get why people don't just draw, but hey you have your reasons and there's another real artist to fill your shoes once you get bored
>>7739013>What you're doing is essentially going seven proxies behind your traced drawingsHmm I think you misunderstand, anon. This implies that I'm trying to hide or something. But I'm outspoken in my use of AI. Most of my followers are from East and South Asia and like AI (albeit the ones who get pissy I just block). I'm skeptical of your claim of "garbage in; garbage out". AI images are rarely (never?) compelling on their own, but they can have nice elements. You just have to curate them properly. Anyway, I'm not interested in rehashing tiresome AI debates. I'm more interested in workflows that incorporate AI with trad and digital approaches.
>Generate hundreds of imagesyea poojeet, obviously there's no other way to do this
>>7738891This is based and I hope you spread this knowledge far and wide so everyone can improve their workflow. It'll be even easier to skip the trad part and keep things digital. Just photobash, and paint over it on another layer.
>>7739138>This implies that I'm trying to hide or somethingIt doesn't, and regardless whether you hide it or not it doesn't matter, the base constituent is what counts. A flaming faggot and a reticent homosexual are both equally gay.>I'm skeptical of your claim of "garbage in; garbage out"That's not a "claim", it's a maxim. The same way that you can "polish a turd". Whether or not said turd has a nice quality of it doesn't change anything either.>I'm more interested in workflows that incorporate AI with trad and digital approaches."Incorporate"... Anon the only "traditional" thing about your workflow is tracing an image from a projection and altering it a bit. Everything else is cheaty digital work or literal photography.You're asking about workflows, but I don't think anyone on /ic/ works so hard to do as little as you.
>>7739162Thanks, anon. I started out with that approach, but I realized I like the slightly grittier look that trad gives me. Obviously my method is time-consuming and all-digital is probably more sensible for professional work.
>>7739164>cheatyI see this as the crux of our disagreement. But I'm a staunch adherent of Glenn Vilppu's "no rules, only tools," and I'm quite open about my AI use, so no one is misled.>I don't think anyone on /ic/ works so hard to do as little as you.Anon, I'm not trying to work faster. I'm trying to get the best image I can possibly get using any tools at my disposal.
>>7739166It's definitely a boon to trad workflow too. Being able to composite a composition without having to construct everything saves a lot of time, and allows people to draw things they might not be able to before.Someday we will see youtube videos teaching this process, and it'll be common practice among the next generation's artists.
>>7739169>I see this as the crux of our disagreementAgain, dumbass, it isn't. You've acknowledged that you're a cheat and I've acknowledged it too. There is no disagreement on the fundamental principle of what you're doing. We didn't even disagree on anything in the first place, it's just that your understanding of English is that poor.>But I'm a staunch adherent of Glenn Vilppu's "no rules, only tools,"Why? What do you want to get out of it?>Anon, I'm not trying to work fasterClearly>I'm trying to get the best image I can possibly get using any tools at my disposal.Tools sterilize. The entire reason people like art is because they get to see an interesting depiction of something subject to the artist. You're pretty much non-existent in this process and render yourself a technician, much more than other people do. Maybe that isn't the case for azns and their adjacents; they're all dead behind the eyes anyways.
This rat will heed you to go no further on thee AIfag thread
>>7739138What a noble art goal, being followed by a legion of pajeets
>>7739171>Someday we will see youtube videos teaching this process, and it'll be common practice among the next generation's artists.I'm genuinely surprised there aren't a ton of such videos already.
>>7738891>>7739673...this is just photobashing - except using AI as a source and going back and forth between digital/trad. Why is this being described as something revolutionary
>>7738891You either lack self awareness, or you're a baiting retard. Which one is it?
>>7739673There's still a lot of anti-AI kneejerk, so people are hesitant to reveal this process. And the artists that are using this successfully have no incentive to share it. The less people that are able to photobash AI adeptly, the less competition they have. The more people that believe they drew everything 100% from scratch, the more people that will be wow'ed by their art. "I drew this" is way more impressive than "I used a LoRA model to create the base, composited other AI generated objects, then painted on top of it and used AI color filters to tweak the colors".
>>7738891I'll give you credit on daring and having the guts to open up a general AI discussionbe warned, you're stirring up a hornet's nest of angry beggers and wanna be and very ambitious manga/comic stars in this here board, so thread carefully or suffer their wrath
>workflowCris thread, can mods rangeban this retarded spic already please
im scarily using gemini on my old art contemplating should or shouldnt i return to paining like whats the pointthe only redeeming idea rn is that if i have this thought process then the younger generation will 100% not even attempt to learn to do it by hand.
>>7740723Adapt or die. When lightboxes became the norm, there were also crabs who cried that you aren't a real artist if you used them to trace photos. Meanwhile the rest of the world adapted to the technology to the point where it's ridiculous to even consider lightboxes as "cheating" today. The same happened for photobashing, and the same will happen for photobashing AI.No rules only tools.
>>7740748>crabsmy art teacher referred to digital painters as printers when i was studying, and he wasnt a crab, just 50 years old. I quit after half a year.
sigh
>>7740759Demeaning other skillsets to aggrandize your own is peak crab behavior. He is the type to post on /ic/ and shit on others just to make himself feel better about his own life. Some of these people even convince themselves they're offering legitimate advice, when in reality they're just hoping more people end up on the same sinking boat they're in.
>>7740748>crabs who cried that you aren't a real artistthey were right
>>7740772>>7740723It's important to remember that your generated image isn't the final product, it's the new DRAFT. Learn to paint over it and simply use it as a base.
>>7738891>midjourneyYou can just use SDXL or any Illustrious models.You also can import the background you have onto csp/ps, drop your mannequin or a clothes mannequin, then export back to use into SDXL and just inpaint the areas with the mannequin to 'blend' them in.I've been using illsutrious for backgrounds where I'd export my artworks as png with transparency, add in noise or color guide and let it fill up a few times to get something I find interesting. Then put it into photoshop, filter it to reduce down the details to only colors and shapes (it's one of the sketch filters). Import back to csp and 'sculpt' back the shapes into relevant background objects. And then slowly adds details. Of course, adding background after the characters are already drawn usually don't look quite as nice as drawing characters with the back in the draft stage.>>7739013What I' d do with drawing over AI is.I'd trace them over quickly until I have most of the details and then turn off the layer, and flip it. AI images are already shaded and colored (aka finished) so you often don't notice the glaring issues like long arms or torsos. Fix it in the next draft without referencing the AI layer, and find actual reference instead if it's a specific characters (AI will always get a few minute details wrong)
>>7740782that would be very humiliating, painting over AI
>>7740790Only the end product matters, adapt or die.
>>7740795and what is your end product?
>>7740795The AI bubble is collapsing, adapt or die.
>>7739138Actually I find maybe one or two artists (as in, they actually do draw, like pretty well too) and they finetune models and loras off of their own artstyle on civitai. Eh. Honestly I think artists will start using AI just like how we've been experimenting from trad to digital to spine/mesh deform animation to 3D assisted to AI-assisted.also, pyw
>>7739716I mean I also don't have any desire to share my own process lol. You either get burned at the stake by people who you can't change their minds anyway, or get more competition from other artists who also uses your method but don't disclose it. Give it about 2-3 years.
>>7740802I know several artists I heavily suspect are doing this as well, they're already great artists but they're just pumping shit out like crazy now. I really want to use stuff like loras but my computer is shit and I'm too technically inept.
begs giving eachother career advices
>>7740802that 3d assistance took decades before being adopted by a small minority of professionals
i wish commie niggers didnt make AI taboo so i could learn about how pros are actually using it
>>7740790There's more processes you can do to transform the AI input before you start painting over it. Color/contrast isn't right? Curves. Too much details? Posterize. I want subjects to be removed? Select subject and content aware fill. And I dont know what the fuck functions photoshop still has. Jusy use as you see.>>7740801Good. The less low effort pajeets there are the better
gemini sora and revegemini still the best, sora might have been good if not for it fucking abysmal tint
>>7740801Absolutely wrong. It's always the clueless reddit headline readers that don't realize how much AI has already pervaded the industry.Frankly I don't really give a shit though, the more idiots like this that encourage people not to delve into AI the better. I only post in these threads to see if others have any insights that I can incorporate into my workflow.
>>7740814My dude, 3d has only existed for 'decades', computers are pretty new.
>>7740872my dude, AI is even newer, and if we take pipeline of 3d adoption in CG art it will be 2035-45 when people will begin to openly use it.
>>7740870brother you are still worse off than a random shitter posting genned images of the latest waifubait with a patreon. Why do people try to make themselves superior for doing a tiny bit more work than the average genner
reve seems to be better in fetching and respecting references than the others
>>7740875Usable 3D software has only existed for 20 years at most, realistically about 10-15. Pretty sure no one cared about using 3D models in paintings in 2010.3D software existed in the 70s, but no one was using it for drawing because tracing fucking Vectrex wireframes is borderline useless for the cost, as is pretty much every application of AI at the moment.
>>7740880gemini gave better quality picture but it ignored direct references to the product
>>7740880unfortunate that the refs it will most likely find is their shitty remaster now or "HD" mods
>>7740881noone yet cared but this guy was already using it and talking about ithe might have been one of, if not the main person who started the trend
the most i remain impressed with is pixverse
>>7740899
>/ic/ has given up on even attempting art and is now asking chatGPT to do it for themIt’s so joever
>>7740905ive given up on even attempting art 6 years ago, way before AI
>>7740790this, it's like getting cucked. drawing is fun, why would you want a robot do it for you?
>>7740913money and fame. Why waste time when you can just prompt and do nothing for the reward
>>7740919low effort AI slop won't get you money or fame. the market is already oversaturated with it and it's only getting worse.
>>7740921what i learned is in order to get money and fame you need to draw shrek sticking his head out of the toilet for those sick meme references and reposts
>>7740921it will if you spam it enough. AI only gets better because the artists it scrapes from get better. There will also be no laws or regulation because the current admin right now is balls deep in with the tech companies and it's far too late now. It will always win in the end because the vast majority of people are consumers who couldn;t care less about how anything is unfortunately
>>7740925There are good and successful AI artists, but they don't spam, they're skilled and careful, same as any good artist. Spam doesn't work, and never has.
>>7740925Won't AI bots out compete any spamming AI artists, 100 times over?
this is what i mean. You people wont even attempt to learn to paint now.
>>7740936it's just a couple of ai bros circle jerking
>>7740928If you're talking about artists who can use AI then yeah they exist but I have yet to see anyone solely using AI become a known name without any drawing skill>>7740929There are people running AI bots for politics and art as well already. It's simply too much for regular artists to compete with now
tomorrow i will try to intentionally sketch just for AI to instantly render my shit after. This doesnt bring me closer to learning about how to make money with art, or maybe it does, who knows.
>>7739138AI can be sometimes compelling if you wrangle it enough and use tons of different methods combined like img2img, inpainting and such to essentially get as close as you can get to the image you have in head. The image in OP you posted looks kinda like a psychological horror to a painter because it has some obvious AI generated signs as well as the AI generated tag wherever you are posting, while at the same time having lot of parts that should have artefacts be completely devoid of them. Good example of it is the ship plating being all over the place, but then at the same time all the disc spirals look similar instead of incoherent and none of the flowers look melted. Bravo at making unintentionally terrifying pictures.
>>7740940>There are people running AI bots for politics and art as well already. It's simply too much for regular artists to compete with nowAnd how will AI artists compete with AI bots?
>>7740944AI artists will become the artists of when gen AI was beginning to take effect. So some will survive but ultimately they'll automate as well or die out. Accelerationism and end stage capitalism is a great combo
>>7740945Damn, it was over for AI artists before it even began.
>>7740944They don’t, but they couldn’t realise this simple reality back when they called all of us with brains luddites in 2022 while they are “just learning new tools” without realising that they are in most cases just the crude temporary inbetween step between human art and completely automated content farms. This btw is the future to every AIfag in every industry. If all you can do is vibe code well, then you will inevitably be replaced very soon by AI agents that just prompt themselves.
>>7740947Yes, this is why everyone mocked them. You either have audience of luddites that explode in anger upon seeing AI, or you will be automated. That is the future.
>>7740940Why would anyone solely use AI? That just doesn't make sense. That's like scanning a photo and calling it a collage. Of course no one worth anything is doing that.
>>7740954People are making a fine living just genning or automating gen farms. That's also what you'd imply by AI artist. Not a regular artist with the fundamental skills just using AI which is why I find it so weird that people need to differentiate by saying yeah I'm not like those AI genning monkeys I just use it as a base or img2img tool. as if that matters when the former is making the most efficient use of AI in the first place.
>>7740956This is the most jeet ass thing I've read in awhile.
Lol crabs are so bitter about not being able to tap into the current AI photobashing goldmine. All the artists who are doing it now are doubling or tripling their output and making bank, building bigger followings. Of course if you were a beg to begin with you wouldn't be able to capitalize on this, which is what I imagine most of these crabs are.
>>7740962There is no goldmine when the current genning standards are enough to get by with doing little to no work with and making bank. This is the most tourist statement ive read so far on this entire thread
>>7740954Because it’s cheap and because people can’t tell a difference between AI image that was rotoscoped with img2img pipeline, used custom LORAs and had half of it drawn by hand, and some picture that had randomly generated pile of words put into the prompt window. If there is cheap and easy way of making some slop at the expense of society it will happen. This happened with dropshipping, with investing, with basically any hustle. If there is a system where one hustle grindset nigger can disrupt it with selfish actions and little to no effort, there will be millions doing it inevitably. If you didn’t account for this years ago then you should probably quit most creative hobbies because you clearly are not imaginative enough.
>>7740965Fucking kekDo you really think dropshipping and investing are easy ways to make money? They're easy ways to scam dipshits into paying for useless classes.
>>7740965The fact that anyone is even deluding themselves to think that they're just using it as a tool is the most cucked perspective ever. You're trying to go for efficiency when just solely using AI is the optimal play and you're not any better than the jeets you antagonize for doing so just because you try to put in your own stupid drawing twist or paintover.
>>7738891Is that your work OP? Honestly? It looks exactly like your described work method... A mish mash of disparate styles and things slapped together.I won't criticise you for using AI, because I think playing around with it and using it will be needed for practically any art job in the future, and it's not a big deal to me so long as there's a heavy human touch at the end of the day... but your current work method seems to make it too obvious that your cutting and pasting all these elements together - they're not gelling.
>>7740966Do you think genning or producing AI slop on YouTube is profitable? I don’t use Adblock personally, so I get plenty of ads and there are absolute fuckload of ads talking about how you should make passive income with AI content farms and such. The truth is that only very few lucky ones make it and it is pure luck in this case since there is no skill involved, just give the same AI that everyone else uses the same commands to make slop for you and ship it. I think YouTube and all kinds of platforms for sharing content are now the iceberg meme where you only see the 1% of AI slop and then the 99% remaining that gets no views, not even from the author themselves.
>>7740970Yeah, that's what I mean. Like dropshipping or investing, genning DOESNT actually make money. It's nigerian prince shit that scams gullible retards into thinking they're going to get rich easy when the reality is they'll be extremely lucky to do so much as break even.
HEIL!!!AI!!!
>>7740865Cool image. Can you tell me more about your workflow here?
>>7740772Are there 2 light sources, or do the cliffs make a box shape with an opening? The shadows are hurting my brain trying to figure out which it is.
>>7741122yes, here it is>>7741146maybe both, i dont remember, i think it supposed to be something like a circle opening, who cares, composition is the only thing that matter.
>>7741173Nice. Did you end up using the end result for anything other than your personal amusement? I assume the last image in that sequence of four images was a composite of the others?
>>7741173It matters because little things like that immediately make someone think thier is something wrong with the drawing. If there are two light sources everything needs two shadows, if there is one light source then pick one and fix the other shadows. You can't have one high and to the right and one setting low and behind the figure with half the shadows matching one and the other half matching the other and it look and feel good.
>>7741175no its all personal, i never had a real artistic job>last image in that sequence of four images was a composite of the othersno its 3 different AI's like is said in that post: >gemini sora and revedoing the same prompt on the initial sketch
>>7741176dont overthink a 2 minute sketch, you wont finish anything with that attitude
>>7741179Yea you're right, not place to give unsolicited advice and it's not my two minute sketch to worry about or fix.
>>7740881I'm gonna have to disagree with AI image gen on that. Well that's because the popular ones everyone know of (Stable Diffusion running on A111, Forge or ComfyUI) are VERY unintuitive for use in actual creative use, much like using a command line compared to using modern OS UI / touch screens. On other hand, if you search for the alternatives, you will find it. I ain't spoiling what it is, but it has a community edition. It took a but of learning curve (I started using it since March this year after feeling like NAI/Pixai isn't giving me enough control). But so far I've pretty much just use gens as my drafts, then start doing the real drawing works when I'm pretty satisfied with how the draft looks. But it's always a brand new canvas. Honestly speaking, it's basically like, "what the fuck, I'll just let the models solve the anatomy and structure and then I'll figure out whether this composition as a whole is worth working on to a finished artwork". Of course, you'll always be miles ahead of the average proooompter if you actually know the digital illustration processes
>>7740925Ehh not quite. It's more like whoever did the finetune of the model spent more effort into curating good datasets. At least in the diffusion models I haven't seen 'the next step' to SDXL/Illustrious/PDXL. Flux don't count. Costs too much vram (you could barely use Controlnets), too slow and honestly prooompt adherence is not as great as tags = specific results. With tags it's easier to predict what the output would look like. >>7740925Eh it's fairly easy to spot. I'm more interested in AIfags that comes up with interesting themes, or use them to make something greater than just the images. Anyone can generate pretty images if they just download WAI models and add masterpiece and beautiful tags lol. Patreon coomer spams are pretty run of the mill lol.>>7740929>>7740944Why do you want to compete with bots? Bots compete with other bots
>>7741221>>7741228Bro I respect you trying to share knowledge but I have no idea what the FUCK you are talking about. What is SDXL/Illustrious/PDXL? What is A111, controlnets, or WAI models? Is there some easy way for the tech retarded to use AI effectively? My computer probably can't run the AI stuff locally.
>>7738891Wow, I gotta give it to you. You have the incredible creativity and talent to create the most useless roundabout workflow that I could never even dream of. That's real art.And it's very impressive how the end result is no greater than the sum of its parts, resembling perfectly a generic AI artwork.
>>7740759Your teacher was a cool guy>>7740942>how to make money with artI can't stand that when people speak positively about AI art they act as if taking prompting requests will create another gilded era of nouveau riche instead of getting you enough extra per month to buy some more groceries or maybe a cheeseburger
So I was just clicking around boards and stumbled upon this thread and wtf, why are you guys doing this, there is not single image in this tread that is not blatantly made by bot, no matter how complicated your workflow is everything looks like is made by bot, prompted by pajeet in millions for quick money. At least try to draw on top of it, fix piss filter color grading or something. Kids with cheap pencils are more creative. Feeding Warcraft orc village sketch into ai and writing pls make Warcraft orc village from this sketch, how retarded are you?
>>7739138>Most of my followers are from East and South Asiaso you are a jeet then. it all makes sense
>>7740782lol why would you paint over AI when you can just put it in AI to fix it? you're trash at art. just let the AI fix it. it's way better than what you can do.>>7740795>thinks he can adapt to AI when it smokes even his shitty paintovers and "flip it 100 times" nonsense
>>7739138I remember asking for help on updating my portfolio for a job application and an Indian dude basically flooded my shit with AI and got mad when I told him this sucks. I swear they are all frauds and I have no clue how they are so rich.
>>7741670letting jeets onto our internet was a mistake
>>7741233>>7741233None of that stuff is as complex as it sounds.SDXL: An advanced model for turning your text into images. That's literally all it is. You put in words, images come out. The SD stands for "Stable Diffusion", which is the family of models that SDXL belongs to.Illustrious: Imagine if a group of people took that SDXL thingy and fine-tuned it for anime and illustration specifically? That's Illustrious.PDXL: Ditto. Useful for anime and illustration.A111: It's just a user interface for running Stable Diffusion on your computer. It's open-source.Controlnets: When you try to get images out of models, they don't always follow your commands that well. You get images that aren't what you want. Controlnets steer the images better. WAI models: Just different types of models in the Stable Diffusion family, each good at getting different looks. For example, maybe you want a "semi-realistic painterly" style. Just find a WAI model that does that, and you're good.
>>7741968Thanks for explaining it. Is there an online service where I can use these, or do I need to download a program to do it all locally? If it's the latter I guess I'll save this info for when I upgrade my computer
>>7742015You can just use a cloud service, it's not too difficult.
>>7740928>There are good and successful AI artists, No there isn't. Prompters are not artists
>>7743496Words exist in your head, not in objective reality.
>>7738891just fucking draw
>>7739176Thanks rat. This was a shit thread.
>>7741180Cool image. Did you make this?
>>7742015>>7741968Kek I think you just got fooled by chatgpt responseAnyway as far as foss image generators, the ones used most is Stable Diffusion and now SDXL.In SDXL there's usually 4 main base models: base SDXL, Illustrious, Pony Diffusion (PDXL) and NoobNAI. Majority of the new model mixes/merges/finetunes use either any of these 4 bases. Which is why when you go on civitai you'll usually see Model name (SDXL / Illustrious / Pony / NoobNAI).Base SDXL with anime finetunes are outdated. You can see the output from model Animagine 4.0 (one of the earlier sdxl anime models). They're not that flexible. Illustrious models tends to give more anime illustration output. Pony models tends to be more diverse in knowing concept and western artstyle. NoobNAI no comment, don't care much about this. WAI is just the creator named WAI, the chink made a bunch of models under Illustrious/Pony/NoobNAI bases. They're fairly flexible and outputs decent enough results. For online sloppa just use Civitai or Pixai. Or if you really don't want to bother with selecting different models you could just use NovelAI like the average nip proompter lol.A111, Forge, ComfyUI are just web app (UI) to use those models.Controlnets are like, an additional model that allows you to control the structure of the image you want to generate. There's a few controlnets like openpose (makes stick figures and tries to steer the image into following this figure), depthmap (image will try to follow this shape), canny (hard edge outline), and there's a few others.If you're really thinking of doing local gens I'd suggest for at least 16gb vram, at least 4060 ti and above (lower and it's too slow unless all you do is mass automated proompt kek) and 32gb ram and lots of storage because models are at least 6gb each.
>>7744510Thanks for the detailed rundown anon. What would you say is the best toolkit right now for making illustrations like this?
>>7744510I've been using invoke.ai, do you have any experience with it compared to civit.ai?
>/ic/ - Artwork/CritiqueAI doesn't fit the criteria, this is a shitposting thread made in bad faith.>>7744510>no fluxRetard, you just want to kill the board.
>>7746063I found Invoke they're a lot closer to Photoshop. They're good for inpainting especially once you figure out you can keep control of the structure with depthmap or canny controlnet at certain situations. The images you generate are actually layered, so you could technically 'photobash' images by photoshopping a background, and then you prompt the subjects over the background, adjust the location/scale and then inpaint them again to blend them in. But obviously, they'll get that AI artifacts, so great for drafting but I won't ever use the end output as-is lol.I tried their online service (just the lowest tier for one month), it's quite underwhelming. The generation speed is fine. The image loading speed makes it dead in the water. I can't even reliably use Flux Kontext without waiting for like 2 minutes sometimes until the image *finally* starts to load. You could hit generate, see the bar progress took only 5 sec and see the blur image progress, and then wait 1-5 minutes for the actual image to load. Lol.>>7746167Flux is overrated. Prooooompt adherance at the cost of longer generation time, but Flux is not that predictable compared to Illustrious/Pony models that you can much more reliably predict the output due to the booru tags associated with them. With my 5070 Ti it took around 6-8 sec per generation without controlnet, and about 15-22 second with controlnet for most Illustrious models. For Flux models... It's about double. Not worth wasting time on typing slop. I'd rather just use SDXL's controlnets and specifically paint on the canvas for the model to follow.
>>7746167But using AI is artwork? I think it's about time we have a AI general here. Seeing it's the future of art is general.
>>7746404Fuck off tripfag
>7746404Fuckin 1000 word dissertation bitching
>>7746406>>7746409Okay so you are going to ignore Sora 2 making almost perfect looking anime in a matter of seconds? I'm sorry but hating the tools is not the way to go
>7746409Telling people to learn "tools" that get outdated in less than a year
>>7746409Not even gonna (YOU) the nigga knowing how much of a c(YOU)mslut he is
>>7746409Explainer faggetry nigga who prob pretends to be >7741233
>>7746409Bumping fagget when their thread reach pg8
>>7746409Pyramid scheme promoting curry
>>7746409Aggrandizing their uselessness twit
>>7746409Reddit spacing karma farming basedence loving...
>>7746409>s0y3nc3 censoring
>>7746409Board spaming, D/ic/k attention seeking
>>7746409AI simping, impromptu "discussing"
>>7746544Pointproving
>>7746556really is lmao
>>7746556oh my postI will be brutally honest with you all, when I discovered artkeks hate on AI I realized those people just know how fucked they are. For them it will be a slaughter, a fight for the survival because faggots cannot learn a stupid software where you type 'cute girl, happy pose' ect. ect. Like...are you fucking retarded or what the hell is wrong with you, if you are shit you are goner anyway, this is brutal reality, ai is another tool for digital art
>>7746645>7746409Theirs nothing to learn... Demands you "learn" it to spam places
>>7746409Buzzword flinging, AIflooding
>>7746409Pisscord board raiding
>>7746409(AI)nohole wishing, basilisk wishing
>>7746645Pretty much. It's not even going to be funny in a couple of years
>>7746409>7746645>7746696Circlejerk congratulating, "so true" Saaring
The AI proompter is a sad lifeform, if it could it would replace its own brain with a chatbot and call it "progress".
>1day later>suddenly 24 posts>majority of it is one schizo with a hate boner for aisloppa trying to bump limitI kek'd
>>7746556Based and so absolutely true. Crabs here are so bitter that with these tools, young artists can create better results than they can despite them spending 10 years on /ic/ and drawing boxes all day.
>>7746783T B H see here >>7746556They've been making another "AI"thread near everday this week that gets deleted. If they want to shit up board then I'm gonna shit on their thread. They're behaving like roaches at this point
>>7746420>>7738891>>7739138Can we report this? it's obvious grifting and trolling. Just go to /g/ if you want to play pretend but i'm sure the fat/g/uys are just going to bully you.
>>7746851Usually the AI threads get deleted instantly.I think the mods finally gave up on /ic/
>>7746851>everything I don't like is trollingPeople are discussing new technology for art that's changing the landscape. AI is being used to photobash even by industry professionals, and it's only going to increase. It's beyond pathetic how you crabs are so mentally frail you need to have a safe space where you can stick your head in the sand and pretend everything is the same as it was in simpler times.
>>7746855Hiro looks like the kind of person that supports mass immigration of jeets in japan. If people are interested in prompting there's /g/. If you want to prompt anime tits just go to /e/ or /h/. This thread has no purpose for AI is not art and it cannot be criticized , not your work give it back.Then again i'm not a mod and the board is borderline dead anyways lmao.
>>7746856Niggas mostly just spam AI images and not like we should critic something they aren't inclined to fix>not gonna swift through the shit either better let /ic/ just be the filter boardBoards are separate for reason they should just ask for their own
>>7740801This doesn't mean what you think it does. AI wont be advancing much more in the near term, but the image and video generation is technically incredible and going nowhere.
>>7746556I never understood this point. If AI gets easier, more mainstream and better then aren't you essentially just waiting for the next update? Wouldn't you just focus on getting your fundamentals and foundations of drawing down and not rely on AI as a crutch? This feels like such an NPC take on what it means to be an artist that actually wants to have some sort of reputation and ability to make money in the future
>>7746914The thing is. AI also has Fundamentals really.Like Prompt engineering and whatnot understanding the engineering behind the model is the fundamentals of GenAI. How to train the model, how to preprocess your database if you are making a lora and so on
>>7746917yeah but realistically, these kinds of things are the very essence of what's iterated and made consumer friendly through SWE's themselves. Like I genuinely don't know if what you described is even going to be an issue for the layman in a couple of months to a year. That's why I'm always skeptical about people who throw themselves onto AI fully when in reality their actual drawing skill is probably the thing that would help them the most in the long run. And I say this because the things you described are also pretty fast to learn in a week or two as well right now alone.
>>7746924You can learn how to make a lora in days, not sure about models not fully invested into /g/ territory these days. But i can see why people are so obsessed with it, why waste years learning a skill when you can play pretend in days, kinda sad really, at least try to make some money from it instead of shitposting in a dead board.
>>7746914I never understood this point. Who says drawing and using AI use are mutually exclusive? Industry pros are using AI to photobash or to construct drafts. It's always most effective as a tool like a ruler. Only autists care about flimsy labels like "artist", everyone else is concerned with doing commissions and building a portfolio to actually find work.
I honestly want the AIniggers to fuck off since they honestly are the most boring and insistent niggas to be withMost the time they seem to always want to have (you) use it (you) to give em an idea like the fucking dick addicted fags they are. All this talk about muh workflows but no ideas actually attached to it.Their boardroom pitch ideas are halfbaked at best
>>7746935>Industry pros are using AI to photobash or to construct drafts.Proof? >It's always most effective as a tool like a rulerlmao, now this is faggot loser mentality of someone that never even bothered to get good at drawing, little man.
>>7746935Because the vast majority of AI users, even the ones in this thread arguing for it don't actually have the level of skill to be an industry pro in the first place. They're actually worse than the prompter using it to generate memes, masquerading as an actual artist, or stirring up controversy for twitter blue payouts. It's arguably one of the dumnbest arguments for AI usage to achieve this goal. That's why the whole thing falls apart to someone who actually has the skills to draw in the first place
>>7746939Because the truth of the matter is that it gives you the level of quality of a pro from all the training data it's fed. The ones using it don't actually have the skill past int in most cases and it falls apart completely because why waste time trying to make a workflow when the most optimal thing is just simply generating it and inpainting a few mistakes. The weird convoluted justification for AI usage mixed with drawing is the weirdest thing to advocate for
>>7746935This. It's just another tool. All that matters is the end product.
>>7746955No, the outputs are never commercial-grade for illustration or comics. The composition is always uninteresting. Character consistency is a problem. The images never have enough coherent storytelling or detail. They can only ever be the seeds for a complete work, since LLMs aren't able to think in a general way about art; they just find high-level patterns. But having a seed can be very useful.
>>7738891>1) Generate hundreds of images in MidJourneyStopped caring right there.If you don't use local, you're a retard.I don't use some way too retarded "workflow" and get results like picrel in seconds.
>>7747224>LLMsTell me you know nothing about image generation.Just fucking set up comfyui on your machine and play with it a little, if only for the purpose of understanding this tech.
comfybash the empty heads of ai ni/g/gers.
>>7747289Impossible to know if that image is good or not without knowing the context it's meant for.
>>7739013What movie is that image from?
