When did the internet choose to stop being fun?
2007 internet be like>sure we'll drag fridge magnets around on a website for fun???what happened??
>>7743736With the invention of smartphones and Flash being deprecated, its true!
When it got invaded by semitic opportunists and botlike indians
>>7743736Pajeets and chinks. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it.
>>7743736I'd say it started in 2012 then got progressively worse until we hit the point of no return in 2016.
>>7743736That Youtsuba image goes hard. Very fitting, too.
>>7743736litteraly money driven content
>>7743875Yeah I can agree that Gamergate was the worst thing to happen to the internet.
>>7743736Ever since it got too old for pedobear
>>7743736Sick drawing
>>7743736The internet didn't stop being fun, your life just got sadder.I'd say the internet got better in some ways but also a lot worse in others, more people and content on the internet, still many free games and fun little sites but also more login barriers, data privacy pop-ups, paywalls, worsening of anonymity, AI and so on... I think there was a sort of peak between the old days and the new days where the internet was just at its best, at least for my personal experience, but for all I know, that peak could be now, like what if they take pixiv guro yaoi away from me, that'd be terrible, I'd have to get a VPN or draw my own all the time, I'm already having to use a VPN for dlsite.com...Regardless, this seems more like a /g/ topic than an /ic/ topic, you could ask there too >>>/g/
>>7743920I would put the invention of the iphone first, though.
>>7744092>flash dead>same 5 websites>forums deadnah it definitely got worse
>>7743736that drawing on the right looks like this
>>7744114>same 5 websitesI still don't know how the fuck that happened. One day I have 20 different websites for each of my hobbies, each with their own communities and friends, and the next day everyone's in the same couple ghettos except there's 0 sense of community.
>>7743736if you want an actual answer, its because the internet is as of recent becoming a lot more 'advertiser friendly'. social media platforms havebeen becoming stricter and stricter about what kind of content is allowed on their platforms which stunts creative growth in users. a really simple example of a super complex issue just so you can get a taste of it is the fact that on platforms like tiktok you can't even us the word 'suicide' in a sentence, you have to censor it with 'unalive'. censorship leads to less 'fun' opportunities being explored. along with that, gen z and gen alpha is the first generation to grow up with EVERYTHING being at risk of being recorded. so people my age are more afraid of being 'cringe' in fear of being put on blast by our peers so theres a lot more emphasis on acting 'nonchalant' to avoid being cringed at for just having fun. idk if i was able to word it well, but it's just what i've noticed!
>>7744265Normalfags flooded the internet and started dragging everyone into mainstream websites.
>>7744092>Regardless, this seems more like a /g/ topic than an /ic/ topic, you could ask there too >>>/g/I disagree. There's nothing innately fun or boring about clicking a button with no special text on it that says "Post". It's the designers and the artwork that make it more than just a button. Same thing goes for the rest of the page.Suddenly things online stopped being fun. Websites and the content hosted on them are drab with everything set to #000000 or lacking any flourishes at all.My favorite example in recent memory is Print Friendly. The old design was fun, with some trees with smily faces on them reminiscent of OSX's Finder. A "eco friendly" color scheme of light blue and green hints to recycling. It's representing how the service is something you do on the computer, that also saves trees. Today it looks like just another web tool or some slapped together YouTube to MP3 converter, with the express purpose of having a place to put the link and a button to do the conversion.
>>7744232It's a reference to Akira
>>7744354closest thing we have to whatever the old internet was is neocities, but its populated by fags who wouldn't survive a second of using the internet at its prime
>>7743736Web 2.0 was a mistake
>>7743736more robots = less fun
>>7744424There's plenty of good shit on neocities, but it's also not really social media. It's more like an RSS aggregator.
>>7743736artwork/critique?
>>7743761Chinks aren't that had, pajeets however
A parody of yotsuba in the akira chair isn't fun?
>>7743736When mirorities invaded every space, not only on internet.Minorities including Tumblr users becoming relevant on Twitter, and Redditors becoming complete freaks.
From 2007 on. Smartphones and capitalism
>>7744354>designAbsolutely no one here is talking about the design aspect though, thus, it's more of a /g/ question. But if you want to talk about graphic design, there's >>>/gd/Not that people here can't also have a productive discussion about this but... not really seeing much of that. Although I don't have high expectations of any part of this site when it comes to these things in the first place.>>7744284That's accurate, although I think people have always been afraid of being cringe. People are just more anxious nowadays in a general sense and I do think heightened visibility of average people and hyperawareness of how every little thing about you can get scrutinised to death play a role in that.
>>7745104>capitalism
>>7744286really just can't think of anything other than normies and not giant megacorps making it impossible to afford hosting huh?
>>77437362025 was a pretty traumatic year for 4chan. Every other year is usually pretty wholesome and sappy.
Women and governments happens. Women made the internet not fun, those in power have no sense of humor. Fighting censorship. Fighting against corporations who have captured the government. Fighting the government who brainwash Women to stay in power. It's a losing battle. Women have no business in politics or power, the more they got involved, the less freedom the internet have, the more stupid shit propaganda like save grandma and think of the children become the culture of the internet. You can get banned on social media for memes. Or say that you don't believe in the vax. It's all corrupted by the three entity, governments that are captured by corporations, corporations that are infested by sociopathic parasites, Women who are controlled by the propaganda of the government. You can't talk sense to Women, they are not rational, they will resent you if you do, they feel and are Manipulated by deceptions, even if you tell them exactly how it is done, that women are paying pink tax to corporations and they help push propaganda in the education system where they create woke retards, and create HR jobs and other DEI bullshit to mold a bunch of soulless cookie cutter Women, that men of today, only treat them as fuck hole and refuse to marry, date, or have children with, even if you somehow put that point across, in a reasonable manner, in a collected and thoughtful way, they resent you because they are programmed to do so. It's a propaganda since their birth, since kindergarten, since they are a child. First world women are groomed by the corporations. It's their first nature now, that is to do the work for the man. Their second nature is child birth, they are sacrificing their time for work, which barely is essential, instead of sacrificing their time for babies. Feminism have allowed first world women to abandon their nature, they become successful but unhappy because that void can never be filled.
>>7745617Fuck off kike, it is why every site is now about user retention, data-mining and ads.
>>7745805>>I hate wife's cooking.
>>7743736You know damn well
I honestly just want a portfolio website with no AI and more community. Something like elfwood or old deviantart Artstation is cool but it sucks there’s no place to talk art and make friends
>>7745826I have no girlfriend, or wife, I do talk to women when I can, and participate in dialogues, forums and fireside chat with women. They often express how they feel and how insensitive, offended and their disagreement with me, and their faces often with upset and displeasure with me. Despite that, I understand how they feel, and can empathize with their points and opinions. My personal opinions are that first world women got the short end of the deal.
>>7743736>try to autistically police other people>try to sanitize content>nearly nobody takes the risk of looking at non corposlop because it might be offensive>the eternal culture war eventually becomes the norm>get excessively policed in turn>all content is sanitized until it becomes "unalived" and sterile>corporations know safe slop is what sells the most despite the virtue signaling>h-heck, why is this happening to me? why is everyone so scared to talk to each other?Speak to 90% of these fags especially if they were or are from tumblr and it's because they got bullied by zoomers or alphas once, I promise you. There's no point complaining about shit when the example to the younger gen has been set. Especially when most of these fuckers are raised like feral retards with zero internet supervision. Have they ever seen an even somewhat normal internet? Also>smartphones
>>7743736you intentionally decided to use the word "choose" to fabricate a reality where that word is in any way relevant to what actually happened.
>>7745884>>I hate Wife's Cooking
>>7745884>I have no girlfriend, or wifewhat a shocker
>>7745884>their faces often with upset and displeasure with meESL or autistic? Both? >>7745805>they are sacrificing their time for work instead of for babiesA child will financially ruin you, of course you have to work. Stay-at-home parents have always been an upper class thing not everyone could afford. Financial dependency is also a risk, so both parents should at least have funds for this arrangement. >I do talk to women>women will resent youDefinitely autistic
>>7745805Women are NOT hapless victims of some incidental zeitgeist or brainwash. They're evil solipsists by nature and OUGHT to be oppressed unless you want to face societal ruin. Philosophers have understood this for millenia.https://incels.wiki/w/Timeless_quotes_on_women
>>7746235I can't help it, I'm probably autistic. It is like this because dual income is survival mode. It used to be one income household which was the man working. Nowadays, you will find it challenging to find a job. I also can't help it if they resent me, I have my opinions and I stand by it.>>7746249>Incel.wikiWtf
>>7746249>incels.wikiu havin a giggle?
>>7746345>dual income is survival modeI do agree that it is convenient if only one parent has to earn the family's income outside of the house, although you'd need to earn a lot of money for that to be sustainable. Also, if you ever break up, your career would suffer a lot from that long stay-at-home parenting break. Seems risky unless the non-career parent has funds to deal with that potential outcome. >I can't help it, I'm probably autisticYeah, only being autistic isn't necessarily a dealbreaker, but being autistic and sexist is just a kind of combo that makes you seem extra pathetic. Autism will make it harder to exude charisma and sexism makes you a douche. You can have some success as a charismatic douche and some success as a sweet autistic man but you won't get far as an autistic douche. Unless you try with conservative women who are also autistic ig. >incel wtfYou describe women as sub-human too, so you're not far-off from people like that. I'd believe you that you do try to be empathetic, but you're probably still very out of touch in ways that are difficult for yourself to recognise.
>>7746377"Out of touch" for a woman means not agreeing with every retarded, self-serving and hypocritical sentiment she expresses.
Yeah this guy is completely fucking insane and also probably gay. best to ignore them.
>>7746425Out of touch with the humans around you. Someone like this commonly isn't popular with normal men either. Met someone like this at a mental clinic and most of the other patients couldn't stand him either, although some took pity on him. I did until he told me about how he wants to rape me. Kinda hope he died.
>>7743736when the consolidation happened, when fragmented areas closed down and all moved to centralized hubs. there is good that came from it, but honestly probably more bad than good.
>>7744097>>7743875every single time it's time to opine on when the internet went to shit people post obama election years and fail to connect the dots
>>7746453All heterosexual males would rape most any woman in the absence of consequences.
>>7746377And because it's convenient, everything has to be set up so that it will never ever happen?In my country, the average effective tax rate is ~50%, if you consider income and consumption taxes. This means that if taxes went away, every double earner household would be able to retire one parent without a loss of quality of life. The taxes are used to fund welfare and pensions. The result is that, for the purposes of providing some women with the ability to divorce profitably, nobody in my society gets to be a primary caretaker of their children. You actually cannot declare that "both things would be good simultaneously" when they rely on mutually exclusive resources. The value created by work goes either towards marriage, or towards divorce.
>>7746497>source: not male
>>7746505Without the threat of punishment keeping male sexuality in check, no amount of s0i conditioning would keep the average male from having his way with any given woman. All those pussywhipped redditors whiteknighting women, virtue signaling all day would also do it of they could.The autist spoke the truth everyone knows deep down. And as always, women hate hearing the truth.
>>7746524The average male is not equivalent to all males. A punishment is not the only type of consequence. Any given woman is not equivalent to most any woman. The autist is not average male or equivalent to all other males. Redditors aren't either. Your statements are not congruent with my experiences. You live in a shifting fiction and should probably be castrated immediately.
>>7746502>all taxes are going to women divorcing their husbands for profitIf you divorce for profit, that's you taking your partner's money, unless you signed a prenup; that's not what taxes are. US taxes are spent on this: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go with 7 percent going to economic security programs, only part of which include financial aid for struggling individuals.>The value goes either towards marriage or divorceIf you just have funds for yourself, you can use those for either, depending on how things are going.>>7746497There aren't much consequences for rape, yet I've never been raped by the men in my life. Curious. This isn't exclusively a you-thing, but it is also very much a you-thing.
>>7746541Except none of your "experiences" has been under such conditions.Were you and any given male the last people on earth, eventually he WOULD fuck you whether you wanted it or not.You'd learn to like it though.
>>7746549>There aren't much consequences for rapelmao, if a woman decides to label a guy a "creep" for whatever nebulous reason, that's enough to get him ostracized. Now rape? haha
>>7746555>Were you and any given male the last people on earthDo you personally have a fuck ton of experience with exactly this?
>>7746555I think you could learn to be assraped too, anon. If you were the last man on earth, I may feel tempted. Humanity would go out with a bang haha
>>7746562Because it's the logical conclusion. Sexual frustration building up. Inhibitions eroding. Why WOULDNT it happen? Because he vowed he'd never ever do such a thing on r/askreddit for good boy points? Women are so fucking dense
>>7746560I know a couple of rapists irl, none have ever faced consequences. Two of them were married, one of them raped an 8 year old. I know a guy who was raped by a priest, the priest also never faced consequences, just continued his job.>if a woman decides to label a guy a "creep"You're speaking of socially challenged people, I know a guy like that. He wasn't a rapist, just autistic. Poor guy.
>>7743736There's no real infection point. The more the internet opened up the worse it got until it just became a normal everyday thing for normies, the death knell of anything good. It was too good of a thing to last pure forever. It used to be a cool niche thing but now it's just an extension of the real world now and like the real world you have to work to carve out a cool niche, but no major website or trend will be able to avoid quickly being invaded by retards or gobbled up by an algorithm and enshittified.
>>7746569>normalfags would rather bully an autistic guy than call out actual rapistsChecks out honestly
>>7746567Like I said, you live in a shifting fiction. This scenario is not going to be real. Look at how ridiculous the requirements for your proof is. If 8.2 billion people disappeared overnight, we would have the opportunity to empirically prove you right. Therefore we will never have this opportunity. This isn't an argument.
>>7746577It's an argument as to human nature.If people could walk into a rich guys house and take whatever they wanted, they would.If people could kill anyone they hated, they would.If a guy could have his way with any woman he wanted, he would.It's easy to act "moral" and sanctimonious when society holds you at gunpoint.
>>7746582You really need to cull yourself immediately. Society is part of human nature. You're a retarded psychopath.
>>7746586You're the same as me retard just huffing your own farts
>>7746549>with 7 percent going to economic security programsHealth insurance is 24%, social security 21%, benefits for veterans and federal retirees 8%, economic security 7%.Redistributive federal spending is 60% of the government spending.
>>7746575Sad state of affairs, but yeah, unfortunately true...>>7746577>This scenario is not going to be realTbf, a similar scenario could be real. Imagine getting stranded on an island or in a snowstorm with a guy like this. According to him, if you don't want to get raped, you need to castrate him ASAP or sth.>>7746582Ever heard of a little thing called empathy? I fantasise about guys taking it up the ass, but I'd never force one to do it because I care about people's feelings and well-being. If a kitten scratched and bit you, would you bludgeon it to death and throw it in the next trashcan while no one is looking? Are you as heartless as you claim to be? If you are, then I'd assume you haven't been loved enough in your own life and I feel sorry for you. I hope things will get better for you.
>>7746590It's as if you haven't achieved individuation. It's already very obvious from how you introduce whatever fiction that your dysgenic mind comes up with into your argument, but with this I know for certain that you have no concept of boundary or difference. You think I am you.
>>7746611The day society turns its back on you, you'll also realize all this talk of "empathy" and "morals" aren't worth shit.It's all virtue signaling bullcrap and witnessing the circlejerk makes me nauseous. People keep each other in line through fear and intimidation and everything else are self-soothing lies people tell themselves, pretending they willingly participate.
>>7746625>having trouble with individuationYeah, I think that's not entirely uncommon for very isolated people. It'd be nice if treatment for psychological problems was free everywhere.>>7746643Now this is just sad. Pushing people away is also something you do for the sake of self-preservation if you've had bad experiences. >Seeing other people comfort each other makes me nauseousIs it because there's no one to comfort you?>People keep each other in line through fear and intimidationAre you intimidated by people? Or do you feel that you need to be scary and intimidating to keep yourself safe?>The day society turns its back on youAnon... I really hope you'll find help... I don't know if your family mistreated you or if your friends betrayed you, but no one deserves whatever you've gone through to become like this. I hope you'll find someone who'll show their love to you, someone who'll help you with healing those wounds and comforting those anxieties that time and society has left you with. You must be living in a truly dark space if your outlook on the world is this negative. I'm sure it has a soothing effect as well. After all, if the world is full of bad actors who only pretend to love like fools, who are only governed by fear and nothing else... That means that if no one is there for you, it's just how the world is, it's not that you're alone, everyone is alone and those who aren't are just lying to themselves. This really paints a bleak picture... But anon, it can get better. You won't be alone forever, I'm sure you can find a way out of this... I'm sure you have people in your life you never properly connected with. And maybe you just need to try with different people. I don't really know your life, you probably know best whom you can turn to, if there is someone like that. But whoever it is, I hope you can talk to them about this...
>>7746681I don't give a shit about your "radical empathy" word salad because it amounts to nothing at the end of the day. It's a performance you do for yourself to convince yourself of your own moral worth. At the end of the day you don't give a shit if I live or die.
>>7746740>you don't give a shit if I live or dieThat's because I don't really know you. I do care for the people in my life though. If you were in my life, I'd care a lot more. But right now, all I can do is imagine a human being behind the screen and I do prefer people to lead happy lives as a baseline. So even if I don't have a strong emotional connection to you personally, if you're living a sad life, that's still a bummer. And I really do hope that your life will improve. Maybe my sentiment doesn't make you feel better now, but if it did, it'd make me really happy.>to convince yourself of your own moral worthQuite cynical, but consistent. But I'm not saying all this because I'm thinking of my moral worth, I'm thinking of someone who's suffering and who could just find a little bit of comfort in other people's words. Maybe not mine, but if there's someone in your life you think you can trust, maybe you can see this as a sign to reach out to them. Or just... anyone... I promise that people really do care. They're just bad at showing it and time apart makes people distant on the inside as well. Many people are so isolated nowadays and it's pretty heartbreaking. I don't have the emotional capacity to care for every person out there to the same degree as for the people in my vicinity, but at the same time, you have people around you who might come to care a lot if you let them in. People do grow on each other and I hope you have or will at least find people you're important to as well...
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>>7746768I'm not a fan of religion usually, but I think people like you would be better off with it.
Reaaaaly wish this topic stayed on building websites for your art n shit. That would be greeeeat.
>>7746922The fucking insane floundering art school and university students are back into their routine of classes and feel like posting enormous mounds of shit because they like making others just as miserable as they are lol. After a point there's no thread safe from them arguing with themselves.
Yeah, if i was the last man on earth with a woman, i don't think she would have a choice in the matter.I'm going to hold her tightly in my arms and whisper sweet words in her ear and she's going to like it.
>>7746377>sexist>describe women as sub-humanWhen did I ever, i disagree with women and I blame it on the corporations who have brainwashed women since they are born. How is that sexist? The fact that j broke it down, part by part, isn't it thoughtful and easy enough to understand where I am coming from? So disagreement makes me a sexist because i disagree with first world women and the choices they made? There's more women who are at my side, the women from the past, and women from developing nations, even 3rd world women, they still kept their first nature as mothers.
>check back into bread>it has devolved into rape politicsI suppose thread derailing and flamewars (I memba!) haven't gone anywhere. Can't say they've ever been fun.Thank you /ic/ jannies and mods for not shitcanning my thread. I like to think this is a more nuanced board, and my actual question of: "why has the artwork of website design and individuals become so deflated and mundane from the youthful optimism shown previously?" optimistically clicked with an intelligent 4chan team member -- or pessimistically flew under the radar because no one is watching this board.>>7743894 is probably right. Maybe that 4chan birthday artwork is the precipice right before everything crumbled. I don't think the iPhone was a big deal just yet, because there was no App Store and the price filtered a lot of people. BUT, YouTube did start paying people for videos just two months later in December of 2007. Perhaps before it was just passion and fun idea and art sharing, but as soon as people got a whiff of "wait I can be paid for this?" things slowly began to shift into the internet being taken seriously.One of the recent examples I can think of is the Oney Plays guys finally getting their big break with Smiling Friends. How different it would be if the internet was somehow excluded from a professional setting and never left the land of amateurs. Maybe they would've stopped all together to get traditional jobs, or continued it while doing some bullshit email job (in the bizarro world where Newgrounds cartoons are never taken seriously. Maybe The Simpsons never airing could be part of this). But using the internet as a portfolio for a real job opportunity was possible! So screw all that unpaid web series work, I'm going to go in with the possibility someday someone might pay me for this! Aaaaaand the fun is gone.
>>7744890>artwork/critique>critique: a detailed analysis of something, especially a creative work; to examine critically.>OP pic shows tonal shift in 4chan artwork>thread question uses picture as an example to critique the broader idea of internet artwork as a whole becoming uninspiring and unchildlikeIt isn't spelled out, but this fits within rules 1. and 2. I hope this makes sense, this is the first time in awhile I'm actually having to think while making a post on 4chan.
cuz everybody is a big fat baby /thread
>>7746345>>7746357>hurr durr, the source has the word "incel" in it, so it must be badAnd if the anon just posted the quotes directly you'd sing a different tune.
>>7743736Flamebait and flame wars in early chatrooms and forums. It was common sense to teach people to ignoee bait until a mod would come in and strike them.One difference is also that fan spaces hace coagulated into mush. People used to have a dozen accounts because they had to go search for them. Social media migrated from personal blogs you had to dig around to the content feed thar mixes everything and picks for you.
>>7743894People were already piggybacking on trends/politics in the early 2000s when normies weren't on the internet. The formula was already tried and tested by the time phones were deployed. I think the internet always rewarded opportunistic types but the big game changer was social media working as a centralizing hub where you have billions of people who share nothing with each other on the same platform. Social media created a weird behavioral sink
>>7743736rightoids finding out about the internet was a death knell. didn't take long for states and special interest groups to figure out how to control them.
>>7747323you couldve just listed these things without mentioning the website. because now it just looks like youre mocking incel wiki
>>7743736When some cunt in a suit said;"How can we use this to advertise?"
>>7747083Jesus christ you are fucking insufferable. Next you'll be asking for mandatory girlfriends or some stupid shit.
>women ruin everything>he says, as he ruins a good threadcongratulations on your gender change i guess
>>7743736can someone explain the british flag thing, what does that have to do with the anniversary ?
>>7747693The fabian race communists in the UK censored the entire internet and then started filing lawsuits with websites operating outside their legislation, so currently 4chan is in court against the UK government.The government was voted in with less than a third of the eligible vote, so they're ruining everything at maximum velocity because they will almost certainly never rule ever ever again, and so everyone views the activities of the government as not reflecting the wishes of the british people.Thus, Yotsuba sits on a broken throne clad in the colors of the british. 4chan save the king.
