Memes aside, is there any proof that some people are naturally better at art than others? By "talent" I mean an experience boost, like you level up faster, not a magical gift from God.I don't mean theories, I mean facts, like someone that did art for 10 thousand hours and still sucked at it.I've been drawing since 2019 and I'm still a /BEG/ so I'm inclined to believe talent is real but maybe I'm just a lazy bum.
>>7744167You can draw for 9999 hours and still be at 5 year old level if you dont practice correctly and you dont know what youre doing.From 2008 to 2018 I NEVER stopped drawing, but I never improved, why? Because I wasnt practicing correctly, I didnt try new things, I just did the same thing over and over, it was fun? Absolutely, but the facts are there. It was after 2018 that started to see improvements because I started to take things more seriously, and now I am 6/10 rather than a 3/10.Creative endeavors have nothing to do with IQ, IQ is for pattern recognition and things like math and science, with art you can feel your way through, provided you have discipline, interest and you know what youre doing.Talent is a meme, people use to justify their laziness, plenty of people out there start at different ages and they still find moderate success, but it requires effort, something a lot of people dont want to make.Talent is as real as you want it to be, and I dont want it to be real, so its not for me.
>>7744167Sure. People have different brains after all. Also depends on the methods you use. You can't really set up controls to quantify the presence of talent.
>>7744167Talent is just an excuse.
>>7744543Talent is real but anyone can learn to draw.
>>7744167"talent" is just a nice way of explaining the truth that some species are intellectually superiour than others
>>7744575>Asking AI if you have what it takes to be able to create artHoly NGMI
>>7744167No, you get good by consistently studying and practicing. Of course, if you mindlessly draw the same shit over and over again without leaving your comfort zone, you won't improve at all. "Talent" is a dumb excuse.
>>7744575Retard trusting whatever ai feeds him lmfao
>>7744167While the NGmi are pontificating this puzzling question, the gmi are drawing
>>7744167Do tall “people” exist that dominate basketball?Does air bud care?
>>7744174What did you do 2018 until now that makes you say that you've improved? Study any certain books or masters?
>>7744682infinitely more trustworthy than /ic/ucks thougheverbeit y'know lil broskie? you faggot slut?
>>7744167>I mean an experience boost, like you level up fasterCan you niggers conceptualize anything that's not a fucking video game?
>>7744543>talent is an excuse>post text stating talent is a thing and there's no way to tell if you have it or if things will ever clickhmmmmmmmmmm
>>7744167There isn't a magical art gene, if that's your definition of talent.The way I'd describe talent, that is a talent that is real, is a combination of predispositions and past experiences. For example, someone with good hand-eye coordination or good observation skills will improve much faster than someone without.Even with these however, it is possible to be an artist for thousands of hours and see no improvement. This kind of stagnation in my experience comes from 1 of 3 types of people:-Absolute retards. This is a good chunk of this board, literal low IQ brainlets who are incapable of listening to advice or critique, and will continue to shit out the same flawed slop for life.-Drawing lovers who don't study. This is most of tumblr/deviantart. People who've been drawing since they were 8, yet by 20 their art hasn't improved at all. This is because despite drawing a lot, they never bother to reflect on their mistakes nor seek learning to improve, they just keep drawing in their comfort zone.-Lastly, we have the hoarders of knowledge. People who've gone through hundreds of videos and courses, yet maybe draw once every couple weeks. They tend to have high observation and theory, but their hand is untrained and can't put that knowledge to use.TLDR: draw a lot, accept criticism, and also seek to learn and apply what you learn. If you can balance all 3, as long as you don't have the IQ of a primate, you'll improve.
>>7744167>experience boostjust draw already you autistic fuck
>>7744888Don't talk to me, npc
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>>7744167its a skill you can learn. you just lazy and useless fat fuck that posted weeb trash, which shows low iq and degenerate mind that gravitates to lowest common denominator. an hero best tip.
>>7745167>it's a skill you can learnyou are genetically low IQ which makes it harder to learn skillsso talent exists
>>7744859Think. Unironically, just think.Before that I just did whatever, I didnt even copied references, from 18' onwards I started thinking, disecting references to undertand them, disecting the body to understand it using myself as reference and using other references, disecting clothes and backgrounds to understand them, in short, I stopped going into autopilot mode.>Study any certain books or masters?I hate reading, my ADHD autistic ass cant concentrate on an art book for more than 10 seconds because its too boring and mathematical, I did however took people that I like and started disecting their stuff, again, THINKING.
>>7744167A lot of of "naturally" talent people came from a background related their field. They got parents and an enviornment that allows them to be good at what do they do. Like if you came from an artists background, you'll probably be more observant and creative-thinking because you experienced those on a daily basis just by growing up in an art friendly household.
>>7745129*rapes you*
talent is 100% real and i have it but the tradeoff was being permanently mentally ill so not really worth it
>>7744167Yeah, it’s real but it isn’t just “one thing” that can be isolated. Highly skilled people (in any discipline really) have high IQ, an attraction to that discipline and an environment and support structure that nurtures that talent until it’s self sustaining. Plus the drive to actually improve at their job/craft/skill. Drawing is also a social activity which is why so many people here fail to get it- they think they can scribble away in their room alone drawing boxes instead of learning from those who came before, getting crit and being guided by a mentor.
>>7744167Yeah, sports are the best example, art is not different
Talent exists, but you just have to figure out what your limit is and go with that. Not everybody can draw everything but anybody can draw to a certain extent. Just don't have goals out of your league
>>7744644>>7744682AI is far more reliable than d/ic/ks like you two but sure here's a blackpill from a more "reputable" source:>Practice doesn't always make perfect when it comes to becoming the next Mozart, a new study suggests. >Researchers compared pairs of identical twins, and found that no matter how hard one twin had practiced up until that point in their life, the other twin who had practiced much less still had an equal level of ability in certain musical skills.>This may be because some aspects of musical talent are built into the genes, the researchers said.>https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna55817383>https://www.livescience.com/7950-music-improves-brain-function.html
>>7744167Talent is real. The talent of being able to sit down and practice and not be an ADHD freak.
>>7744620Remember this cope the next you see a black artist being better at drawing than (you)
>>7745014Go back to 2nd grade, your reading comprehension is shit.
>>7745460This reminds me of Cobat. Goddamn that nigger is good in what he does.
>>7745460Did not want to directly respond to bait like that but i really wanted to say what you said anon as a brown person lolIts not about crap like genetics, just skill and experience. That simple
>>7745478>duuuuude, yeah, talent is real but like just don't think about your limits dude, like just don't consider your capacity for progress in a lifelong pursuit maaaaaannnnndreadfully low iq
>>7745490good cope. Helps in life.
>>7745278pyw, tho
Being born good at art is fairytale shit and im surprised many people believe in it and drink the koolaid to death over it. Making it about race is also a crazy egotistical cope
>>7745460nigger your dad was white shut the fuck up
>>7745688>Being born good at art is fairytale shitOnly if you're a history, and science denier. Study some art history then you will read about all the art prodigies that had amazing observation powers while still a child with zero art education, won all sorts of art contests while still a teen, and became legendary artists in their early 20s, totally not talent, just fairy tale BS, you totally could do it too anon.
Of course talent is real. Why wouldn't it be?Just like people can be born retarded, be born with big fucking hands made for building, or be born with aphantasia, so can people be born with a naturally stronger mind's eye and observation skills.But just because it exists, it doesn't mean you can't carve your own path in the same game. They just have a different starting point and different end potential. Your life experiences will give you the other edges you need versus the "talented".
>>7744727Only worthwhile reply here. The only reason you faggots can't draw is because you will look for any reason to avoid actually drawing. You little whiny bitch faggots.
>>7746104Why are you so triggered? Projecting?You're probably a talentless freak.
>>7745992Also you never know if one day youll have a psychotic episode and start seeing shit
sometimes good artists will draw something with shit anatomy or composition, so it makes me wonder what it means to draw well. Do you have to focus and consciously draw well? Or is it natural when you have skill? How can a good artist let something like bad eye placement slip past them? Is drawing poorly easier than drawing well?
>>7745992This is partially correct>Good eye = Observation (Realism)>Good hand = Line Quality>Good brain = Learn Art Theory Fast>Good face = Pretty Privilege (Lookism)>Good body = Stamina to draw longer>Good Mind = Mental Health>Good parents = Support & Networking>Good country = Education & JobsIt doesn't matter if talent is real or not, the game been rigged from the start.
>>7745448Thank god i have the variant of adhd that makes me unable to stop drawing lmfao
Yes, but who cares?
>>7746581I have none of these but I will make it out of sheer spite for this universe.
>>7746997this is the strongest GMI vibe in this thread
>>7745650OK? You don't have to draw if you don't want to lmao.
>>7744543>"You can learn the skills required for painting in the same way you can learn anything else you are strongly drawn to."That's not the point of talent, It's about the effectivenes of your learning. Someone with "talent", or better genetic advantage for visual observation and fine motor skills will have an innate advantage and will be able to learn the same things in a shorter timeframe with less effort, than someone without a genetic predisposition. It also affects your possible ceiling/max potential.Genetics affect all areas of your life, not just drawing.Some people have to put in 10/10 effort to achieve 7/10 results.You would be naive to blame a 70iq person for not being able to solve advanced algebra.If you really tried and put in alot of effort, trying different methods and it still doesn't work out, don't blame yourself.You werent born for it and it's not your fault.I think people would be alot more at piece with themselves, instead of being gaslit all the time, where they think it's all their fault. This "Oh you can do everything in life you want, you just have to work really hard" is false and harmful for mental health. Hard work doesn't mean much, results do.The work has to be effectiveIf your hard work doesn't amount to much, or less than you expected, you know where you stand.
>>7745201NTA but how did you have the motivation to dissect and study artists you like but not reading? I have ADHD too but I'm the opposite, I can read art books but I absolutely cannot be bothered to do master studies like the apprentices of yesteryear did.
>>7747167Talent is an excuse if you fail or if someone else wins. Just pure cope. You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket.
>>7747195>didn't understand anythingplus lottery is pure luck(just like having good or bad genes), so bad anology for whatever case you're trying to make.
I've been drawing every day for 12 years. I've drawn out of my comfort zone. I've studied and followed a dozen courses and my art still sucks. Its all talent based. It pisses me off when people imply I'm not working hard enough when I work more than most people because I'm unemployed. Im just not smart enough.
>>7747228pyw
>>7744174>>7745201thisyou retards need to learn how to thinkgo read "drawing with the right side of the brain", and do some mindfulness training (not the mumbo jumbo mystical stuff)I categorize myself into two stages of life,one before I could think, and one afterit is not a concept you can put into words, you must feel it ("drawing with the right side of the brain" gives you a sneak peek)reading youtube tutorials, guides, books, learning from teachers, all of these are sub-optimal, until you learn how to think
>>7747233I draw furry porn and i have a following so no. But here's this.
>>7744174>You can draw for 9999 hours and still be at 5 year old levelProof?
>>7747236Talent isn't rea...My Apologizehow this talentless fucker talented than me? is there talented people among non-talented?
>>7747214>plus lottery is pure luck(just like having good or bad genes), so bad anology for whatever case you're trying to make.no, that's what makes it analogous.whether or not you have win the genetic lottery (luck) to be talented at learning to draw is that same thing. you still have to work hard to unlock your skill potential (the action of buying a ticket). like I said, blaming it all on talent for drawing, or talent for learning to draw is just an excuse.
>>7747242Humans are different. Of course there's better non talented artists you retard. There's different shades of green too some brighter some darker. And there's a darker than and a lighter than.
>>7747246its overits all about talent
>>7744849Being tall gives you an advantage but It doesn't make you "good"
>>7745944Yes, and also remember that %99 of artist people likes are not those prodigies.
>>7744543i know a person who learned at a crazy fast pace. but they were also obsessive about doing it.is that talent?
>>7747263Yes. Talent usually comes with interest
>>7747263Who, post their work
>>7747250the avg height in basketball is 6'8". that is LESS than 0.001% of the population for males. and its the avg for NBA. not the tallest. not the best players. not super stars. the fucking avg is a genetic lottery so small it is possible you go your entire life never seeing someone that tall in person ever unless you seek them out at some event like an nba game or in the old days a fucking circus for freak shows. its so easy to make the nba that you have a 1 in 4 chance if you are 6'8" barring any other factors. you could be any race, any economics, any intelligence and it factors in all possible health outcomes. you can teach a 7' guy to stand and wave his arms and he is instantly the best defensive player in the league. the raptors literally did this with one of their players a few years back. never played basketball before and within a year was in the nba because he was tall. basketball is literally the lowest skill sport int eh world, especially at nba level where they pause all the time and walk around and dont play any defense anymore. players cant handle the load and just play offense now.
>>7747167>Some people have to put in 10/10 effort to achieve 7/10 results.True. And this website complains nonstop about the "slop" those 6/10 artists put out because the remaining 4/10 turns out to be social skills.
What pains me about talent is that the better someone is, the more likely he is to draw braindead slop instead of something cool. Wish I had a tenth of the skills of some people but I never envy what they're doing.
>>7747315that has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with opportunity you think you'd be the cool guy that draws his super niche cool taste, but if you had the ability to actually capitalize on your skills in an industry where you're lucky to even have a job, you'd be singing a different tune
>>7747317I've thought about it in earnest and I doubt it. I could've taken a different route but I think I was happier to keep art as a hobby.The thing is yeah opportunity is a thing but what I'm saying goes deeper than that, it's like a lot of people who have talent and progress at a very rapid pace without diminishing returns, which in turn fosters them to draw more and maybe ends up getting them a career in art, are also the kind of people whose life experiences are just videogames or TV shows. It makes sense cause no worldly person would sit down and draw for 10 hours a day but the tradeoff is that you have a lot of super skilled people these days who have nothing to say at all even in their personal work.
>>7744543That’s rich coming from someone who is definitely talented. But not talented enough to be a great painter unfortunately.
>>7747324"keeping art as a hobby" means nothing when you don't have the skill to make that a choice, that's like me "keeping weightlifting as a hobby", as if I had the ability to compete professionally while lamenting all the pros selling gay supplements and snake oil programs, as if I wouldn't be doing the samethat kind of mental masturbation is a dime a dozen with dabblers, it's easy being pure when nobody wants you
>>7747324>It makes sense cause no worldly person would sit down and draw for 10 hours a dayalso, this is extremely retarded and just shows you don't know shit about artists and are just going off of your headcanonwe literally have writings of artists tying themselves to masts at sea to study waves
>>7747331>we literally have writings of artists tying themselves to masts at sea to study waveswhat's the equivalent of this for the guy who only draws pokemon fanart in 2025?
>>7745460I mean... Looking at how America is now, >>7744620 is very true. Imagine if they removed all blacks before ending slavery.
>>7747335>reading comprehension
>>7744167>Is art talent real or not?Yes its realBut sometimes its hard to know if (you) have it or not, or how talented are you. There is a time to grit your teeth and push ahead and there is also a time when you should just give up and cut your losses, or change your goal. Often no one can help you determine that.
>>7747236Your art? I like it. Reminds me of my rabbit character, though I don't draw anything lewd with her.
>>7747167>This "Oh you can do everything in life you want, you just have to work really hard" is false and harmful for mental health. Hard work doesn't mean much, results do.Correct and most adults know this simple fact but plenty of underage and wo/menchildren on 4chan won't accept it.
>>7747353Yes my art. Its shit.
>>7747378...I think you're just slightly delusional, like the /beg/ that thinks his art is acceptable, but in reverse.The art is fine.
>>7747175>how did you have the motivation to dissect and study artists you like but not reading?>"Damn, this thing that this artist that I like made looks rad, I want to do something like that too">Try>Fail>"Why isnt this working? Must more blood be shed?">Stare at the drawing, start to see what the artist did in what places and how>Copy it until I get a result I am good withIt also helps that I like to create stuff for the people I like, and I want that stuff to be GOOD, and if I want them to be GOOD I have to improve and put in effort. And of course, Im also autistic, like, genuinenly.Reading doesnt do it for me because its boring, my ADHD doesnt let concentrate on things that are boring, watching pretty art and analyzing it its not boring, making a drawing is not boring, reading a book about the 9999 muscles of the human body is boring.Ultimately, anon, we are different, what works for me doesnt work for you and viceversa, you have to do the stuff that works for you and not force yourself to use others methods.
>>7747237Chris chan, anon.
>>7747315Because if youre good, you want to monetize it, and the masses want porn and slop, not something cool.
>>7744167I love Japanese artists, they don't buy into hard work BS like westoids, not even battle shounen that talk about it all the time truly believe in it, the MC is always special somehow, be it genes or a monster sealed inside them, a character like Rock Lee will always lose to Sasuke...
>>7747470KEKAROO
i'm talented at 2 things in this world (writing and art)talent allows you to do 2 things very well: act as your own teacher, and learn from others at a rapid rate.for acting as your own teacher, it means that every time you engage in whatever you're talented in, your brain automatically picks up on whatever you're doing poorly and gives you an easy solution.for learning from others at a rapid rate, it means that a small bit of study allows you to absorb much of their ability. talent is functionally like having an expert coach embedded into your brain telling you the right move to make at all times.
>>7744167Do it like Fujimoto, it's the best motivation to get better than talented artists.
>>7747470That chapter triggered so many "hard workers" in the Kagurabachi fandom, it's the funniest shit to read their comments about muh hard work.
>>7744167Bakuman's about a duo of mangaka based on the Death Note duo trying to surpass a prodigy mangaka based on Oda, they're mogged thru the entire manga story, it hammer down the point that untalented hard workers will never beat a talented workaholic, it's a great life lesson, beautiful theme, perfect to teach a lesson to naive teenagers.
>>7744167just put the pencil to the paper bro
>>7747236cute
>>7747236Your art is adorable, congratz anon, but if it took you 12 years to reach that level then I believe in talent because you're way past the 10.000 hours rule.
>>7747550>>7747544>>7747388Thanks. I wish I were better after 12 years though.
>>7746581Nigger you retarded
>>7747646Understandable...Fuck, I almost typed some of that "just work harder" bullshit, its hard unprogramming yourself completely.Do you have fun drawing though? Do you do it because you enjoy it? That's my personal issue, I can draw pretty ok, but I don't really find the process or end result satisfying enough to do it more.
>>7747315Its because they're smar.tIf you go full talent mode people will get jealous of your skills and nobody will understand your work. You wont be popular and get paid as much. All those famous masterpieces you hear from famous composers were all considered slop by themselves. Each of them probably created of hundreds compostions but most of them wont get appreciated unless you go to school where they teach you how to understand the artistry behind them.
>>7747288>the avg height in basketball is 6'8". that is LESS than 0.001%Damn, that's literally my height.Sometimes I wonder what would've happened if I had been born somewhere that wasn't the middle of bumfuck nowhere and in a family that actually cared and encouraged sports.I do luv me some drawin', though
