Why are a vast majority of modern western artists and art fans retards or losers? They're mostly dumbasses, assholes, and dropouts and seem to be at the bottom of society irl. This is overwhelmingly the case once you dig into them. I'm aware it may be that way because your place in society isn't directly correlated with art and people often choose a less taxing job if they want to focus on their art. However, if that were the case then you'd find artists distributed somewhat randomly in all stations of life. But that isn't the case. Doesn't art depend on thought and the mind heavily? Is it because most of western art related media is retarded and hence attract retards? Is this why the topics they get into are always rather immature?On the other hand when I look through JP artists bios it's some med student doing it as a hobby or when looking through interviews of illustrators, a lot of them studied stuff like chemical engineering in undergrad and switched to the arts in post-grad. Is it because western society doesn't really respect artists at all and hence there's little place for them in society. In turn, a lot of astute people here shun art thinking there is no prospect and hence not worth pursuing?It didn't used to be like this, Jim Lee from DC went to Princeton and was supposedly on track to study medicine. Where are the type of artists like this now in the west? Yes, this is a rare and extreme example, but it just seems like Japanese artists aren't always in the bottom rung of society as western ones and it's sad to see.I'm really not trying to glaze Japan, rather, I don't have much reference for other non-western countries. My point is more why western artists are generally bottom feeders and not great people, even down to their personality.
>>7754936Different cultures/values
>>7754936>Tl;drGook art and stories lack creativity and are mostly imitations of western artists.If it weren't for Douglas McArthur gooks would be paying royalty to French and American artists.
I'm a med student doing as a hobby, so you know, your entire argument kinda stops working for me here.Here is the thing, I think in this case you are the retarded with a bias so big that you create fantasies inside your head and act as they are absolute truths. I've seen this happen ton, so don't feel bad. I used to do it when I was 6 or 7 or something but I know adults who pulls this crap way in their 50's, maybe you will grow out of it eventually.Is much easier to try following art as a career in the west compared to japan, tho. So I think a lot of people try it and is not that lucrative, people do it for the love of it.Btw, judging someone proper intellectual skills based around their place on society is laughably ignorant in so many ways I don't even know what to tell. Basic history? Basic common sense? I don't even know, man.
>>7754936>On the other hand when I look through JP artists bios it's some med student doing it as a hobby or when looking through interviews of illustrators, a lot of them studied stuff like chemical engineering in undergrad and switched to the arts in post-grad.that's what happens when a society that prioritizes education to an intense degree. Asian developed countries mog western countries, simple as.
>>7754953Btw, now that I think about it a great deal of my online friends that do art with me are better or in similar state than me, hobbyists that work in the medical field or are in to some other similar topics.If the bias does not exist inside your head, is probably a reflection of the places you visit, that is not that different in my opinion. if you walk with scum and complain only know scum i think you know well what you are, right?
>>7754956>prioritizes educationSaar
>>7754959get real, no one thinks about indians when they think of asians
>>7754953The exception doesn't prove the trend here. I never said there are none, rather it is rarer. Your logic is flawed from the beginning. If I was so sure on my judgment I wouldn't even ask. You take issue with my judgment and call me ignorant but you're similarly judging me with your personal views and opinions. You'd make a great doctor with an attitude like that.I only question intellectuality from the frame that art depends a lot on the mind. Does it not? Besides, intellectual skills is broadly correlated to their place in society, it's not a random distribution as you infer.
>>7754963I think your logic if flawed from the beginning if you are actually implying the rule here is every japanese illustrator is a med student or of similar pedigree.. You actually want to follow this line of thought trough and defend it? think about it. Time is a precious and limited thing, specially on this earth. How worth is to defend the stupidest shit I ever heard in my entire life to try to prove a absurd point on 4chan anyway?
>>7754936Is the "art" you're talking about cartoon and comics? Because in the west people are expected to grow out of this stuff by the time they reach 16 and get into more mature hobbies like sports or politics.
>>7754965>politics.I lost my shit with this. Have you ever met someone in to politics that can be even considered mature? Is always some college kid bareilly 20 who thinks they discover to truth of the universe while being used by political movements or a dude in their 50's complete divorced from any resemblance of sanity and alienated from society. You might as well put smoke crack and suck dick for crack money on that list. Fucking riot. who the hell considers politics as a hobbie anyway?
>>7754968>who the hell considers politics as a hobbie anyway?Boomers and teenagers
>>7754936>I'm really not trying to glaze Japanif you're not glazing japan on this site, you're a tourist
>>7754936those who do not go to med school in japan just die retard
>>7754957>>7754957That's interesting anon, how did you meet them? Online through fandoms? Art events or camps? I've only met one or two med students over the years hopping from one art community to the next online but have met more irl. Even met this one neurology dude one time randomly drinking who drew and one of my uni friends who's currently in research draws on occasion. Makes me wonder how common art is in the medical community. Doesn't the connection have a bit of a history? Paul Richer was a big one. I also remember seeing johns hopkins do that art x medicine thing a few years back where they got their med students to paint medicine related stuff. Just out of curiosity, what kind of art do you do?
>>7754984Collaborative drawing site, similar to magma or drawpile. Most people there are quite skilled, but also few of them bother to post on social media or have basic to no presence. I don't care much about social media itself, especially after getting to know the place and realizing followers are not a metric to judge someone's skill in any shape or form.About art being common in the medical field, all my friends are also connected to neurology and I plan to follow a similar path, maybe it is more something to do with the personality other than intellectual capabilities. Both take a good amount of discipline and abstract thinking, if you want to diagnose what is happening with someone having a good library of how the body works and trying to apply it behind the simpsons is essential to me. I'm not sure how similar that would be to drawing, though. it just sounds similar in the way I apply it to my own work. (huge visual library while trying to use differently depending on the occasion.)I draw basically everything I can or think it looks neat from manga, cartoon, realism, abstract, bara, shota, loli, comics, landscapes, still life. If I see someone drawing something and I think it looks neat I will draw in a similar style until I'm satisfied with it. I have a limited skill when it comes to animation but I plan to fix that eventually. I also struggle with ultra realistic or simple plain realism stuff. But is just because I don't like it really.
>>7754965If that were true then capeshit wouldn't be the best selling shit in mutt cinemas for the past decade. So much so that MCU basically the only thing that was guaranteed to make money. Thankfully not anymore. Pixar is also still a thing. And if you walk into a comic shop today it's filled with 30+ or the occasional dad bringing their kids in. The younguns have moved on to animu.
>>7754953>judging someone proper intellectual skills based around their place on society is laughably ignorant in so many ways I don't even know what to tell.You're still young and naive and probably don't understand why people do this.
>>7754936>"If i shift my gaze and peer into an asylum, why do i only see crazy people?"When reasonable people talk, they are usually bullied away, and when other reasonable people see other reasonable people being eaten alive, they choose to abstain from joining the madhouse.Anything you put in social media bios is to give others an estimate of your "social value" and only shallow people give a shit about other people's jobs. Asians are shallow as fuck regarding what other people do as their jobs, since why should anyone give a single fuck about what you do for a living if your social media is about posting picture of uwuw kawaii big titty anime grills getting railed by midgets with horse penises?
>>7754965>instead of learning a skill that can make you money and get you recognized, you should engage in absolute time sink "hobbies" that lead nowhere except to friends.You can barely engage with politics or sports and still make friends with the people deep into them, so like 90% of the population.
>>7754936>They're mostly dumbasses, assholes, and dropouts and seem to be at the bottom of society irl.Well adjusted people are very soulless, because our society is a demonic millstone. Well adjusted people don't have children and don't mind immigration. They believe races aren't real, unless their skin isn't white.Well adjusted people work 40 hours a week for peanuts, just enough to live. Well-adjusted people are in favor of inheritance tax.People who aren't winners with a well.cultivated corporate-psychopathy are broken and/or retards. People in the West are mentally impoverished and underdeveloped (not saying non-Western people are - but it's nothing new).We live in the new dark ages.Those who are merry and draw for fun are said retards and they live in a childish fantasy world full of nostalgia and silly things.Plenty others are porn addicts.Japanese people are no better. Very few break out of that mold, just like in the West. Artists being also in med school isn't such a rare thing, I noticed as well that very string hobbyists are often quite successful in a formal non-entrepreneurial way. Don't worry about Western culture not respecting artists: Western society doesn't respect any profession. There's also strong leftist streams plagueing Western society with people being envious of talented artists, hard work, beauty, etc etc.>It didn't used to be like this, Jim Lee from DC went to Princeton and was supposedly on track to study medicine. Where are the type of artists like this now in the west?Super common, really (maybe not the ivy league part, but those universities aren't what they used to be). But those are not in the anime/Calarts/furry/fanart bubble you seem to be in.Instead of reading this blog you could have been drawing.
>>7754936Have you tried interacting with non americans, dipshit? USA is not the center of the world.
>>7755011I don't disagree with you, your point about reasonable people staying away from the mad monkey cage is very poignant.That said, I'm not talking about their bios in regards to what they do for a living. Most people just put "big boobie drawer", "sonamy shipper", "illustrator/animator/artist for spider-man" or "mostly focusing on Teen Titans, and other cartoon girls. ALL CHARACTER 18+" or some other variant about their personality and what they do. Au contraire, I'm questioning the demographic of artists. If a garbageman produces the sexiest rotund goblina drawings so be it, he's makes great drawings! But the question is less about can anyone create enjoyable drawings. It's about why art has chosen these people.
>>7755036Is reddit too slow lately or why are you here mid-browing instead of drawing?
>>7755036>It's about why art has chosen these people.The shallow part of the question has been answered already, as in the mad monkey cage point and they're going to be the loudest and most visible.Anything else is easily explainable by art having no barrier of entry and being objectively impossible to gatekeep. Fandoms and communities included since now they're all monkey cages.Everyone drew in their lives and it's mostly about if it sticks with them or not, so you're going to have all sorts of people in the art sphere and give the majority of people are really not worth interacting with or have some sort of mental affliction without being able to restrain themselves, adding (social) media and cultural brainwashing and general low IQ or being heavily on the spectrum that they cannot function socially, you get people that cannot do or pursue anything else besides "art".Maybe the answer you're looking for actually is cultural decadence or degeneration.Also you can explain that the most active demographic in the arts, are teenagers and women.I mean, you can't give an absolute answer to this; it's a multitude and layers of things.
>>7755030Western society doesn't really respect anything but money really. Especially if you're talking about mutts. They also believe in inheritance tax because they want others to suffer so their suffering feels less grim. What's your idea of what healthy society should be?>Super common, really. But those are not in the anime/Calarts/furry/fanart bubble you seem to be in.So what bubble are they in? Jim Lee is in comics and there aren't many newbloods like him. Industrial design? Corporate illustration? Concept art for film and games? I'm open to any insight into other parts of the art community.
>>7754936It's very very easy to get good enough at art to impress most people, so a lot of bottom feeders flock to it. This really isn't just a western thing, if you know enough Japanese people, you'd realize it's much the same.I used to work at a hobby shop, and you'd get all kinds of people pretending to be scrappy genius inventors living in their mother's basement, but with any prodding from someone even vaguely knowledgeable it becomes obvious that they're just bullshitting and can't even manage a 555 timer. This is your average 'artist'. Someone who learned enough of the correct words to con normies into thinking they know what they're talking about, but would eat shit the second they have to actually apply themselves practically. Think of how many crumble at the thought of doing simple commissions.But just as actual engineers exist, so do actual artists. And they're generally much more put together.
>>7754936bitch, what? you expect artists to work full-time at NASA and be good and consistent for your smoothbrain retard drooler ass to notice them in your polluted social media feed? don't make me laugh
>>7755358oh wait, you mean any "artist" don't you? deviantart calart uguu fake moe sloppa? dumb ass thread
>>7754952Meanwhile w*Stcuckold cacasissy creativity:>plain shit that's overpolished and overproduced with mass assistant effort >fat old ugly bastard, drunk and rotting>old geriatric half-corpse, but with a very special texture rendering technique for the shining chalice in the far corner and you can't make much out of it actually >gay historical figure glazing done from and for clout>commission of some ugly bastard to become prettied up (he's still ugly)>mythology sloppa for cattle around geometry construction stolen from mathematicians and mysticists
>>7755368post the image
>>7754965>politics>more mature than cartoons
US and JP are the two biggest exporters of degenerate content. It's probably some external factor causing this... almost as if there wasn't a huge criminal organization slowly destroying the once beautiful west for decades now
>>7754936>it's your occupation that matters, not your artAnything and everything except art, huh moron? You draw anything today, idiot motherfucker?
The death of the guild system in Europe ensured total eventual destruction of artists, at the time for the demand switching to academies wasn't a bad idea but in retrospect it was awful, in comparison art is a job, it holds a function as entertainment or more in Japan which uses apprenticeship systems integral to job security that modern western artists don't have, as such to be a great modern western artist means you're a schizophrenic cooped up at home all day alone smearing shit on canvases people use to money launder and evade taxes. I'm not against art school or ateliers, but they're both two ends of the same spectrum, without a unified artist system interconnected across the USA where every artist is beholden to tard wrangle the young and guarantee opportunity well, it's just always going to be deadbeats making useless shit.
>>7755879the guild system was stifling boomer economy trash
>>7755911Doesn't matter, it had job security, a guaranteed education, and gave art guaranteed purpose, instead it got replaced with free love "Anything can be art, art is subjective man" boomer idealism trash that means the average western artist is a literal bum meanwhile the average Japanese artist is a workingman.
>>7755791Retarded politically downstream ESL nigger. Die.
>>7755879the guild system still exists; it's called art school now.If you're an online artists you just need to suck dicks in the right discords.
>>7755932An art school is just an education, what the guild system did was guarantee reputation and commissions based off doing a intermediary period of journeyman ship still helping a master artist while selling smaller pieces. Nowadays you can get an education but there's no guarantee you will be led out into good prospects, even award winners are making livings but aren't guaranteed that they're going to catch anyone of values eye, selling art education separately from guaranteed work in a sense was the ultimate commodification and "scamming" of art. I know it began in urban cities like Paris where the demand for art outgrew the amount of people that could work at a artists studio in conjunction with paintings going from mural size to fitting in homes, and therefore it was a good way of teaching the unwashed masses who would have gotten nothing otherwise, but that "Good deal" is gone now because the education isn't dirt cheap because instructors, campus owners, the like, all charge thousands for what used to be done for free as community service by artists and only models and supplies being paid for.It evolved into a terrible shadow of itself, and now there just is no network.Why bother doing anything when some outsider artist who works using period blood and is schizophrenic gets picked up by a jew because they know they will OD on heroin before 30 and that will make their manufactured popularity skyrocket to millions to hundreds of millions per piece at Sothebys? Unless the way artists are brought up beyond the education stages changes no matter how good the education is you are fundamentally scamming people out of money and throwing them into shark infested waters off a sinking ship.Of course, why would you want a large group of people to have job security? Chances are the jews, bourgeoisie, whatever you call them, understand that this is a broken system, but its one that they can therefore exploit and prefer to have around.
>>7754936>another west vs east thread>absolutely braindead "arguments" againEvery fucking day and you apes keepreplyingkys OP you dumb ass weebniggr
>>7756572well, it's fun
