I am a beg.I have wanted to learn to draw for years, but haven't. I feel like I have a very solid grasp on the fundamentals. I can draw all the basic shapes and volumes fairly consistently in perspective. I feel like I have a good understanding on measuring, gesture, simplifying, etc. The problem is, when I try to draw a human, everything goes wrong very quickly. The shapes go wrong, the angles are wrong, the proportions are very wrong and connecting everything believably feels impossible. As soon as I start trying for about 10 minutes and results are miles off being decent, let alone good, I find myself demotivated.I understand rome wasn't built in a day and it takes a long time to get good, but I've been in this cycle for a few years now: decide to start practicing one day, try for a few minutes, get demotivated, then stop drawing for months.What is the key to break this cycle? I feel like if I could at least draw a human coherently consistently, that would give me all the inspiration I need to push myself, but right now it feels like a really big hurdle.
>>7756634>beg>very solid grasp on the fundamentalsstopped reading
>If I can do X, that would give me ALL the inspiration I need to push myselfYeah. Sure buddy. How about you just draw and see where it goes?
>>7756634>I feel like I have a very solid grasp on the fundamentalswhy does every pre-beg say this when they actually have non-existent fundamentals
>>7756634Post your mannequins, otherwise we can't tell where are you fucking up and where you aren't.
>>7756709that depends on your definition of the fundamentals, retard
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>>7756766There's no "your definition", retard, otherwise the statement of "I have a very solid grasp on the fundamentals" doesn't mean anything whatsoever.There is no headcanon cope where you "have a very solid grasp on the fundamentals" and your "proportions are very wrong"
>>7756923You are a complete and utter moron, anon. It's impressive how idiots like you apply your own context of fundamentals to everyone.Complete and utter idiot of the highest order :)
>>7756927>heh, you can't just apply your context of the fundamental drawing skills to me>now why can't I draw???
>>7756938Why are you continuing to double down on your stupidity anon?
>>7756634>draw shapes, boxes, lines in a void, never actually draw anythingThose are warmup exercises. Draw from references for now.Also you have to draw for hours to get anything half decent as a beginner, not 10 mins, use pencil and eraser. Do fun with a pencil, do the exercises once and move on.
>>7756927>my proportions are horribly wrong, but I have a very solid grasp of fundamentals >uhmmmm sweatie actually I don't consider proportions to be fundamentals
>>7756953why are you doubling down on being a permabeg?
>>7756964>Do fun with a pencil
>>7756641>>7756709not him but there is a clear difference between understanding the fundamentals and putting them into practice. you are an idiot for not grasping this
I see. So the definition of fundamentals is now debatable to the extent of people meaninglessly throwing shit at each other. Great job guys.
>>7757059No there isn't, dunning kruger. Being aware that things have proportions =/= understanding proportions. Knowing that things get smaller further away =/= understanding perspective.
>>7757013why not? Its a good book to learn illustration? Do you know better than loomis? retard.
>>7757098bizarre how stupid you are mate
>>7757119PYW cuck
>>7757110It's a terrible book, tard. worst snake oil book for begs
>>7757128>snake oil for begsdon't be ridiculous, most of the illustrations in the beginning of fun with a pencil look way better than anything I've seen in /beg/, all of the illustrations in the end look like a beg's wet dream. Do the book and actually try.
>>7757136>missing the pointLike the stupid idiot you are.
>>7756634OP here.Upon further reflection and some self-study, I've noticed a bit of an oddity.My drawing from imagination looks better/more coherent than drawing from reference. That isn't to say it's good (it's not) but side-by-side, imagination is clearly better than reference.I'm wondering if I have some kind of motor problem where looking at a subject negatively affects my ability to draw. I feel like when I'm looking at a reference, my brain is getting scrambled with all kinds of information I've picked up from various books and video courses: "SEE the figure", "ALWAYS observe while drawing", "spend 80% time observing the model and 20% looking at your canvas", "try to capture the movement of the pose", "look for the primary action line". There's so much esoteric information to internalize and it ultimately affects my ability to put everything in the right place, angle and scale.Meanwhile if I draw from imagination, suddenly I'm not burdened with trying to look at a model and I can focus on accurately drawing the shapes in correct proportion. Of course this still comes with all the issues related to drawing from imagination and I don't think I can truly make good progress without reference, but at least I've seemingly narrowed my issue a bit.How do I train my brain to observe and study a human reference properly?
>>7756634>>7757201many such cases of overthinking howies. just draw and stay mindful and you will have fun and get better
>>7757137You didn't even make a point, just attached a screenshot of the book and said its snake oil. Snake oil could mean a million different things, you don't like the way the book it formatted, the exercises, the finished illustrations, maybe you think its purposefully misleading or long, what am I a mind reader? Tell me exactly whats wrong with it. The fact that you can't even string a few sentences together for an argument tells me exactly why you struggle with art. You think you're effortlessly smarter and better than everyone and get bitter when you try only to fail.
>>7757300>just attach the eyes, ears and mouth! see, its easy!The fact that you can't see the problem here is evidence of how stupid you are, anon.
>>7757201Train? Just make up your mind about what you want to learn from the reference: form? proportions? poses? values?The point of a reference is not to copy it line by line.
