If you can't understand gesture drawing it's over right? I've watched hundreds of tutorials, read Vilppu, Loomis, Stanchfield, you name it. But I simply do NOT understand how to do it. My hands are unable to replicate it. They just keep talking about feeling the form and being loose and representing the contour and my mind just cannot transform this into concrete instructions for my hands. I feel like it's something that you either get or you do not.
>>7758107>I've watched hundreds of tutorials, sucked thousands of cocks, bought some groceries yesterday,you name itFUCKING DRAW YOU DAFT CUNT GET OFF OF THIS BOARD
>>7758107>They just keep talking about feeling the form and being loose>I've watched hundreds of tutorials, read Vilppu, Loomis, Stanchfield, you name it. But I simply do NOT understand how to do it.Seems like you're doing exactly the opposite of what they're teaching.
>>7758107> But I simply do NOT understand how to do it.I got you https://youtu.be/jH0Vkkc3Mgw?si=UkcZpcHWGSk3DdJO
I don't get how you're supposed to do gesture and get proportions somewhat right at the same time.
>>7758107as long as you get the point it's trying to illustrate, you're fine. the point of gesture is to increase fluidity and reduce stiffness of the subject, and to teach exaggeration for effect. do like 10 gesture drawings a day for a week and if you feel like you get it, move on
>>7758136By using your brain, not just your hands. This goes with any exercise, if you don't pinpoint what you do right or wrong each time and replicate or correct it the next, respectively, the outcome will never improve. But that requires analytical and observational skills.
Same, I'm getting filtered real hard
>>7758136>I don't get how you're supposed to do gesture and get proportions somewhat right at the same time.>somewhat rightThere's your answer, just remember the big parts of proportions like arm length compared to torso hand size compared to head and you should be alright. It's okay to mess up and make the legs a little longer as long as it isn't obvious. Making things shorter/smaller than they actually are usually sticks out like a sore thumb. You can also think about your starting and ending points before you put the lines down and whether or not it is in proportion.
So I started doing the line of action and thinking about it like a peice of wire inside the figure keeping it together and just doing real simple lines and my gestures improved a lot. Working around that line of action helped a lot. Also just look at some good gesture drawings and they and figure out what they're doing especially if you can find videos where they talk you through what they're doing as they're doing it. I honestly did not get it either until about a week ago.
>>7758107only retards do gesture drawings. most are traced too.
>>7758136you aren't, at first. gesture sacrifices structure. When beginning, you are gonna make some crazy disproportionate shit, but as long as you go back after your session and go "damn ok I keep making the legs too long" or whatever, you can try and be conscious about it next time.
The people that are good at gesture (teaching it) don't seem to have anything else to share but gesture drawings. Meaning, they've found their hole made for them. And all the people that do teach weeb courses show their gesture drawing lecture stuff and it's bad. Which convinces me that nearly most people don't understand the concept and are parroting it or most people are overthinking it.
>>7758107You retard. There are certain things you will never learn from someone else. Just fucking practice drawing gesture until it clicks. You have to use your head and actually try to make sense of it yourself.
>>7758107You know anon i usually like to be methodical and give clear instructions, but sadly i discovered that gesture is a bit like handwriting, each person has a unique way to do it, you will develop a personal way to do it according to who you are. A bit like this >>7758327 anon says you can't learn everything because some stuff boils down to how you perceive reality around you, it's a journey of self-discovery.Try to visualize every 3D object irl as if it's made of wires, sometimes these wires define the internal structure, the direction and perspective, sometimes the outside form of the object, so you can actually FEEL it and visualize it. You allocate these wires freely, not too many otherwise it's undefined, but enough to give an idea of what the object is doing, then you slowly work your way towards the figure and use the gesture drawing as skeleton.Also be loose, you're sketching, don't be afraid of being messy, just keep a light pressure at beginning.Personally i like how vilppu does it so i try to copy him but the result will never be the same for obvious reasons after all "there are no, rules only tools" means the way you swing the hammer is your personal signature.at minute 16:50 he tries more or less to explain again, with the flow-and-contain method:https://youtube.com/watch?v=pa_2rL1K1mg
>>7758107It’s important, but doing 1-2 minute poses is retarded and a waste of paper.
>>7758107Gesture drawing is all about making the action of the pose readable and appealing. You should learn how to convey the body with good shapes, good lines, how to show the weight and balance, etc. Read Mike Mattesi's force book. Also don't trust people who you say you should just draw and these concepts will suddenly make sense, most of the time they won't and you'll feel frustrated because of it. Once you understand the concepts immediately apply them.
>>7758484Lol that's dumb just get printer paper or newsprint.its so cheap
>>7758107Probably. I'm facing the same problem too. I've been doing gesture drawings for 2 months, almost every day for 2-3 hours and there is actually zero improvement. I even went through hampton's gesture course and I didn't help either. I understand the theory, but the moment I look at a ref and try feeling or seeing the flow my mind goes blank. I can't even move on to try figure drawing or construction, because I can't build anything on top of my broken fucking gestures.
>>7758107Had similar struggles until i just gave up on drawing 3d volumes and started drawing body like flat plane and limbs like sticks or straight tubes. I start with shoulder and pelvis lines, then complete the torso like it's a sheet of paper. After that look where knees/elbows are and add limbs. Only proportions i check is whether crotch is at the middle of a body and hands not longer than the middle of a hip. Looks nothing like what most people teach, but works for me and is actually fun.Imo, you should just stop following instructions and think yourself how to quickly lay out a pose.
>>7758107You're overthinking it. Just do it. If it looks shit at first, that's fine, just try to do a little better each time.
>>7758107Real serious advice. Find a nude live drawing session near you. Go to a different city or neighboring country if you have to. There will usually be an experienced artist that can advise you on this. My personal advise is draw on an easel/wall, large paper, and use long energetic strokes. There is no real definition of a gesture drawing. Everyone does it differently.
