If you are an /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates, howies and instead focus on posted works!>STICKY:Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/viewNew collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Qw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view>WHERE to get study materialsannas-archive.org>>>/ic/artbook>>>/ic/video>Want to practice figures?quickposes.comsketchdaily.netcharacterdesigns.comlovelifedrawing.composemy.artline-of-action.com>PYW and give your feedbackWhat can be improved?Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.>Cool teachersGlenn VilppuMichael HamptonSteve HustonBrent EvistonMarco BucciAndrew LoomisGeorge BridgmanHikaru Hayashi>Cool booksKeys To DrawingDrawing With the Right Side of the BrainHow To Draw Comics the Marvel WayThe Art and Science of DrawingFramed PerspectiveFigure Drawing For All It's WorthThe Complete Guide to Drawing From LifeLast: >>7767573
redpill me on quick poses
>>7770465Is the best way to kill time.
>>7770467time is not your enemy until you try to kill it
>>7770423I know this is a repost, but i want to know if this is good for a beg, i want to know if im going in the wrong direction, also is porn a beg trap? I was drawing goofy stuff some days ago now i only draw porn and idk if thats a good or bad thing.
>>7770423Seems like someone desperately wanted to get their art featured in the OP, lol.
>>7770489I came
>>7770489SDT had better animations than this
>>7770467this desu
>>7770465Waste of time
>>7770489faster
>>7770423Drew a few things today!
>>7770518booba nice
Should I learn how to draw on paper before trying to learn on drawing tablet? My friend gave me her old wacom one and I wonder if going straight to it is a bad idea.
>>7770528yes
>>7770528It really doesn’t matter. You will have to take the time to get used to the tablet again anyways
>>7770528niiiiiiiiiggggggggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
>>7770478Well i guess it sucks, gotta get good.
I finally drew a face that doesn't look like shit on a canvas
>>7770546Considering this is ultimately my goal, I will just go to digital. Thank you.
>>7770478Wish I was drawing what I wanted to and worrying, instead of drawing things to appeal to ghosts while worrying and not having any fun.Keep it up, it's good stuff.
Does it look better now or did i fucked it up more? :(
>>7770478It's metal as fuck
>>7770595Treasure this feeling, if you ever feel like your art is bad again remember that's always an ebb and flow and the good times will come again.
>>7770614>>7770606Im happy you guys like it, tomorrow i will practice more.
I'd like to ask for advice and opinions on this please. I still can't improve my lineart, and the hair is the hardest part for me.
>>7770620what specifically bothers you about your lineart?it would help if u had examples of art that shows what you'd like ur lineart to eventually look like.
Repostan, I'd like some feedback on the perspective and what I did wrong.>>7770620You can see how I draw so you can decide if you want to listen to me or not.I like the colours, but I don't think line quality is the biggest problem here. The face is very flat and the boobs are too high up. Also the dark colours should be darker but I'm also guilty of pussiyng out of dark darks
>>7770622>This good in just 3 monthsI wanna die.
>>7770623Tf are you on about I've been drawing my whole life.If anything, most people would be better than me with the same amount of time put in
I drew this with my non-dominant hand to try to come up with something while being stuck, it may be one of the best things I have tried doing so far
>>7770635>This good in just 3 secondsI wanna die.
>>7770623>>7770624lmao
lo, my finest creation, that tiny head on the left. i’ve been trying to improve my art, starting with heads, and i can make some almost not trash ones like in picrel. i want to draw like the pic on the right, but i can barely get my own heads right, god forbid i try to copy someone else’s. it’s been so frustrating, even when i try applying what i’ve learned towards copying someone else’s head, i can’t even manage getting the basic shapes down accurately. everyone says to practice by copying, but i just can’t seem to do it, and idk how i’ll get better at that artstyle without copying it. so i’m feeling really stuck :/
>>7770646nvm that head is just trash, god i feel so embarrassed wtf
>>7770646Believe it or not there is someone worse than you with heads here.
>>7770649it could be way worsejust try copying and drawing and eventually you'll make some progress
>>7770651ya i’ll keep trying, it’s just so overwhelmingly discouraging when it keeps turning out lopsided and wrong though :(
>>7770655I mean i am a permabeg but sometimes you just keep doing things over and over and something clicks.In my case i get visited by a man in my dreams who advices me and tells me how to do stuff.
>>7770465Most beginners tend to draw stiff figures, so it's good for practing gesture so your figures have more movement/flow to them. Dont get stuck only doing quick figures. Some things you can only learn while doing longer drawings, so a mix of both quick, medium and long figure drawings is better.
>>7770655Discouragement is part of the process think of it as unskippable YouTube ads(Finding a mentor is YouTube premium)
>>7770646don't overthink it, do some copies and build intuitionyour copies don't need to be perfect (unless you want to, of course), but at least strive to make the next one better than the last
>>7770622I gladly take any advice, if I realized too late that the bust is too high and the face could be much more three-dimensional>>7770621I'd like to get as close as possible to Kohei Horikoshi's art style. I study realistic proportions and photographic references. If I need to say it, I've been studying daily for almost two years, and I'm not satisfied with my current level.
>>7770667rip, mental anguish it is then>>7770679o waow very cute art>your copies don’t need to be perfectbig advice. i’ll try my best.
blah
>>7770660One day he will come again and ask for a hefty favor in return. You absolutely musn't turn down his request.
>>7770646it's an appealing design, that head.Very Western, though.Anime is the only style where I recommend tracing to get a feel for how it's done.Anime heads are basically symbol drawing, but you gotta learn the symbols
>>7770738great style
>>7770738Are you the BDSM nun guy. Getting the same vibe from this
>>7770732D:
>>7770646CopyOverlay and compare Do it againYou have to fail and then try again. That's a minimum requirement. You're not going to get anything perfect on the first go yet. You have to learn to look at that failure and be able to do it again. Failure is good, it meant you tried and you can do it again
how do you properly measure a reference from a monitor when drawing traditionally
>>7770776No. Normally I draw lolis and cartoon girl. was just messing with some proportions. Warm up before going back to my usual thing
hey hey people
>>7770620For hair you wanna designate and consciously partition the different sections. In this case I decided blue is the top/back basically just a extension of the skull note the small partition ridge on the top of her head this is where your strands of hair origin from. Green are the bangs they all lead to that little hair ridge i mentioned previously. Purple is the ponytail. You'll have a much easier time doing lineart for your hair if its general shape is blocked in.
>>7770612flat chest erotic
>>7770791arms/hands really bring this one down, otherwise nice shape design
>>7770791Why do these shitty scratchy lines look better than anything I do
>>7770791I agree with >>7770797Fix the arm/hands and it would look even more amazing.
>>7770800Sorry but that's just what talent looks like.
>>7770800Learn one appealing head shape and how to place appealing eyes on it and people will forgive most other mistakes if the rest is more cartoony than realistic
>>7770790I put some robes on her.
anyone else have trouble with the positioning of the hip bone?
>>7770825>put clothes on herRuined. Start over.
>>7770842
>>7770844This is you? Why you wearing clothes? just accept the critique and take them off.
morning doodle I think this is maybe a little too much yaoi anatomy
>>7770851
Brown smile japanese city pop remix
feel like loomis busting my chops today and doesn't help i started the sesh shaky for some reason
>>7770878kino >>7770882the blob things look creepythe guy on the left looks ok>>7770885is the right thing supposed to look like a woman
>>7770888just a study from pinterest
>>7770885That Loomis head looks cool!
Beaver and Bunkbed
>>7770896isn't that from a boomer tv show
>>7770844>LOmisbasedbasedbased
>>7770887beg soul
Are there pro artists who genuinely want to do solely non character art or is it just a cope?
the fastest thing that declines if you take a break is observation
>>7770885Your drawing!!!!!!It made me click. I sort of understand heads better now!
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How to stop postponing sleep?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIT'S ALL ABOUT FUCKING PLANES, I GET IT NOW AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>7770931It took only 8 years!
>>7770936Laugh all you want but by the time i turn 50 i will be /int/
it's all about rendering
>>7770936>>7770931pyw
>>7770958
>>7770904that's not beg
>>7770976Yes it is. But we can also call it low int.
Can we kill the guy making the threads and replace him with someone who actually makes cool collages? I'd willingly make them but too many of the frequenters draw loli and I'm not about to copy that onto my computer. Gov't says it's not legal, desu
does anyone else have an easier time doing hte sketching on pencil and paper
>>7770983Or you could just, not download images you don't want and add the images you do want to the collage.
>>7770983just don't use the loli images in the collage...
>>7770985>>7770986You guys really want me to make the collage huh...
>>7770999Nothing's stopping you
>>7770887cool
Thread challenge hard edition. Try to not fuck up the perspective.
>>7771004There's more to life than porn. Why don't you get something more artistic?
>>7771004i'm not helping your gooning
>>7771004based goon kingI'll do it later
>>7771007toriyama sensei said consume a lot of dirty magazines to get good at anatomy
>>7771015He must've consumed a lot of gay porn to be drawing so many muscular men.
>>7771016based
>>7771004
very difficult study
>>7771041fuck
another oneso sleepy
i think the worst part about learning any new skill is the regret of not starting earlier
>>7771061Luckily most children that draw are too fixated on shit like cartoons and anime, and probably don't start seriously focusing on learning until they're like...adults level. And by that point the only thing they ave on you is line control.
>>7771063>And by that point the only thing they ave on you is line control.This is so utterly untrue. They have a wealth of imagination drawing under their belt which is probably the hardest skill to develop as an adult.
did some normal perspective figs and thread challenge>>7771046nice one paigey, can you post the ref? i wanna draw it
>>7770423Nothing wrong, right guys,?
Are any of the coloso courses good or am k better off just doing my own studies
so when using the reference, I shouldn't try to copy the pose one to one? i should try to emulate the gesture?Im frustrated my shapes arent nearly as close.
ok last one for nowsome good old fashion tentacle rape no reference really, aside from the tentacle style and idea of it being used as a gag >>7771061at least if you start now, the regret is smaller than what it would be in the future. time will progress regardless, and today will be ten years ago pretty quickly. either you can give yourself tend years later glad that you've been drawing, or regretting another decades that's past you by. stick with it anon>>7771067b bleh I can't find it again, it was on that sketch daily ref site and if you're using the random mode you can't backtracksry:(
>>7771070you've been drawing the same shitty figures for what seems like years anondon't expect different results if you never do anything different(and disregard my comment if you do like your own results, ofc)
>>7771064The main reason I don't see this as a problem is because I always end up having to resort to using a reference to correct whatever schizophrenic errors my imagination whips up.
>>7771078>pose>gestureIsn't that the same thing?
>>7771091My progress is exactly as you would expect from a newbie, mate>yearsI am barely 3 years in.First year was nothing but sketchesThe shitty figures that you are complaining about are only for the last 2 years. Half of that was awfulNext year, I will shift to dynamic poses
>>7771091Also, this is a comIt was personally chosen by the commissionerThis was what I gave him to choose from. He choose the middle
>>7771097Good job on getting a commission 3 years in! This isn't a "free commission", right? They're actually paying you?
>>7771095my bad, my sense of time gets progressively fucked up as I get olderand I don't mean to shit on you either, the poses you usually pick are ambitious and interestingit's just kinda frustrating to see someone fall into the same errors repeatedly
>>7771098Yeah. My commission's been pretty regular for a year now
>>7771100Must be nice. I guess you haven't encountered your first drought year yet, so that's good.
>>7771097This is what 3 years of work gets you?
>>7771070Redline attempt for the areas I noticed. I actually think that with the rotation of her hand you should foreshorten the elbow area but I don't think I can draw what that should look like without a reference in front of me.I'm just a /beg/ so use your own judgement to decide what to use and how to make it look right.If I'm wrong though say something so I can learn from it.
>>7771102Half of my coms came from 1 single guyI just got lucky and I expect that luck to run out soon>>7771103You can do better. I am a lazy ass>>7771104ty.>foreshorten the elbow areaI'll see what I can do
>>7771108What do you wish you did different
>>7771110Not be lazy
>>7771070idk man
>>7771118my apologies, i forgot the thumb
>>7771108>1 singe guyOh god. I'm sorry to hear that. Godspeed, champ.Also I found this floating in the dumpster. Might help someone in this thread.
important studies
>>7771131What did you reference this from? Looks dope, I'd like to try that too.
>>7771131Those clearly aren't big enough
i think im permabeg enough to post here instead of /DAD/, yell at me if this is the wrong place. some super quick scribbles from work when i was waiting for a customer to call back.
Really showing my lack of skill on the clothing here
“Just use the loomis method” “Just copy faces in the style you want to learn using the loomis method” Yeah well how the FUCK am I supposed to do that when no one even USES the loomis method? The proportions are always wildly different even if the head is in a neutral front-facing position. You guys just, what, draw lines and it works? How the hell am I supposed to do that? And don’t get me started on the “simplified” not-loomis method ways you guys draw. “Okay just make a circle, and then make a line” HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW HOW LONG THE LINE SHOULD BE??? I just don’t get it at all, man.
>>7771142manga materials>>7771143TRUE!those angles are fun
>>7771159You use the Loomis method and just change where you put the guidelines retard
no idea what to do with shadows and im spending a bit too much time on this so i might just drop it>>7771151Im kneeling>>7771162>>7771131nice work awawa
>>7771167Yeah but how am I supposed to know when to even do that, and to change them by how much? Do I use a shorter line when doing that? How do I know how to modify it when changing the angle of the face? Idk. No one explains this shit, they just tell you to do the loomis method, draw some examples, and don’t bother explaining anything past how you’d do it for an ideal face in a neutral position.
>>7771176you could take a lighting ref and try applying it to your drawing, like one of krenz' homeworkshttps://asgg.notion.site/Color-pt8-b6943da07a2d44149428de0983f65d63
>>7771113cool as fuck
>>7771176Is that Kasha from Nioh? Very cute!
>>7771178>change them by how much? Do I use a shorter line when doing that?You just eyeball it and look at the result. Ended up too short? Lengthen it next time. And vice versa.
>>7771178the division of 3 equal parts of the Loomis method remains the same
i get upset 3/4 of a piece and go study then start a new one and repeat
>>7771159Gestimate. Loomis is nothing more than a suggestion, as his method is one of many. What may work for you, may not work for others, and vice versa. Some people stick strictly to theirs, some just use it as a way to *guide* you on your way to the final product. It's nothing to obsess over.
>>7771184woah what is this
trying the Mignola lineart
>>7771202
>>7771203
>>7771201it's an assignment from krenz color and light course:the idea is to have 3 refs: one for environmental light (top), one for character (mid), and one for pose / shadow terminator (bot)then you make something new with them
>>7771188it is yeaim upset by the lack of art
>>7771201i meant the link. i just thought it was rad that was more of a "woah this is cool"
>>7771176Why are you kneeling? Your drawings mog the shit out of me lol
>>7771184sure but that would require me to find a fitting reference for the pose firstdo you happen to have one lol
>>7771178The reason the markers are there (for some) is to also allow for facial diversity, if you're that type of artist. Some proportions appeal more than others. My method isn't Loomis, but it works for me.
>>7771209https://asgg.notion.site/timbougami-55225f161f2a472fbe5d694e21819735super helpful
>>7771204I like thin shaky linesI used to use brushes like pic related, but it takes too much time to draw the simplest thingNow I understand why mangaka and French comic artists use just a g-pen and don't care about shaky lines, it's faster
>>7771210good taste good style very cuteand im not at all better than you
>>7771211the pose is already pretty goodthe ref does not need to match 1:1, just give you an idea
It is the third time now after multiple breaks that I try to do figure drawing and I still haven't managed to even minimally comprehend gesture. I genuinely cannot even grasp a bit of it. Am I just supposed do 3 billion of these caveman drawings and my brain will understand how the fuck I'm supposed to use the line of action to guide the rest of the drawing?
Like what the fuck is even supposed to be the pose here it's literally just a person standing
>>7771218I mean thank you for the compliments but I fail to see how your drawings aren't better than mine by a mile? Like yours have clean lines, shading and color to them. I can't do any of that yet.
AAAAgghAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>7770788I get that reference.Recognized him even in the thumbnail before reading.Guess that's good work.
>>7771007>There's more to life than pornthese fuckers who moved up the Maslow's pyramid of needs while I am still in the lowermost.Weeping and gnashing of teeth!
>>7771113art
Can someone help me or am I not good enough for that yet
Ok I think I figured it out tyvm everyone
>>7771273There are a fucking waste of time if you are too beg to understand what you are even doing and what you are trying to portray with the limited time you have.Grab a book on figure drawing, Bargue if you cant copy for shit and learn how to draw a human body even if it takes you hours or days.Once you learn how to bring a figure drawing from beginning to end you should try to make it as humanly fast as possible during gesture (which is a retarded faggot esoteric bullshit word.Your timed drawings should be able to portray >Proportions>Biggest forms.>Exaggerated motion if there is (it will inevitably stiffen once you keep working on it)>Some way to identify where forms are facing (lineweight, basic shading, etc)
>>7771275So I just ignore how long I take and ignore gesture drawing for now? The proko course I'm using for figure drawing starts with gesture so I had imagined that's like fundamental to figure drawing and you need to learn it before doing anything else
>>7771280these all look pretty terrible, why are you doing a proko course if you don't have any fundamentals?
>>7771286Because people told me to. I'm also doing drawabox but sometimes I get tired of doing joyless drawing.
tomorrow, i will draw
Attempted to fix the breasts but now I'm gonna stop trying to turd polish and just study more for the next time I draw a girl. I might use this to practice doing lineart with a dip pen though
>>7771280>>7771288If a toddler learning how to write scribbled whatever the fuck it wanted instead of trying to perfectly replicate the letter would he ever learn how to write? Or would he always have dogshit ass handwriting that confuses everyone?Get your accuraccy up to grade and once you can copy what is in front of you then you can start.
>>7771300I think I'd rather not draw again, thanks
>>7771227thanks, ill try again some other dayelse ill jus refine the lineart instead and leave it at that
>>7771247just because it has color and some wack shading doesnt mean its better, you could do this too on digital
>>7771162man, I really love your works.I save every one I find. Keep it up!
>>7771280These are cute.>>7771305Don't listen to the crabs. If you are following a proko course they should've shown you their gesture method right? There is also no right or wrong way to do a gesture. You could start with a simple stick figure, maybe add a ribcage and a pelvis. Something like this.
another before bath drawingI don't think the guy on the right looks scared enough, plus I don't think I got the pelvis angle or proportion or something rightit still looks ok I think definitely not the worst thing I've drawn
>>7771322Yeah. It gets more into showing you how to get the figure drawing down bit by bit in the next parts, but the first one is just gesture. I think I'm just going to apply what drawabox says about just progressing to the next part even if what you're doing right now looks bad.
Messed up in a few spots but man, a dip pen is fun to use. I should probably get better paper in the future though, this is feathering and bleeding through quite a bit
>>7771312Bruh I cant get out of the sketching phase in digital, that shit confuses me really bad.
>thinking about drawing but not actually drawing
>>7771162nice
>>7771346nice, you're goodI want to learn how to draw animals someday
Ok>>7771162Is there like an organized Manga materials book or something? It looks like a great resource but I don't want to sift through their 1000+ tutorials to find something I need
ahhhhGHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHIT HURTS. PLEASE GOD IT HURTS.
>>7771411C-c-can someone tell me how to make it look better other than completely redrawing it?I tried to make it look less boring but is still stiff.I coomerbrained the proportions again.I cant d-d-draw the fucking head REEEEEE
>>7771412>trooncasing
>>7771412your line of action broyou're killing interest by making things more horizontal/vertical
>>7771411Just make things not straight to make it less boring
>>7771325he needs that vacant stare, like he has given up on life and is dissociating
>>7771217i love this sort of style
>>7771004I find 1:1-ish copies boring lol, took it as far as referenceless imagination allowed
just finished this
>>7771392Animals are fun and teach you forms, textures, and expressions that humans lack
>>7771424good point, ty! I do like how it looks now that you've framed it like thatmaybe I'll practice doing thousand yard stare expressions>>7771415pretty sure that poster is literally an actual tranny
>>7771411PermabegschiCHADcan draw faces now
>>7771300Pyw
>>7771444
>>7771485Ayylmao finger
Too high to keep going tonight rip
>>7771523god I wish I could get high or drunk
How do I go about drawing objects that are far ?like the entrnace I made in this one
>>7771202>>7771203what brush?
yoknow i think i’m actually prtty happy with how this one turned out. after so many failures :0 finally. i mean it’s simple (no shading or anything) and some things are off, i think the fivehead might be too big but maybe it’s just the lack of hair making it look bigger? plus i feel like the right nostril (her right) is a tad too high. hm maybe the upper eyelids are too high up as well? also no eyebrows :/ but i rlly like the eyes, yippee
Haven't gotten much sleep lately, at least it's not from sorrow or anxiety, but how can I explain to someone that the reason I can't sleep is because I am spending the whole night reading yuri manga?>>7771411You should draw that fox maid instead of the Nazi Uberslutten.
doodle sloppa
>>7771555begone>>7768063
>>7771569I looked there once and it creeped me out too much, and besides, I'm trash and my works are trash so it would be too embarrassing to post anyway.
>>7771576>it creeped me out too muchyea and thats how the rest of us here feel about seeing ur weird loli shit. either post it in the loli general or dont post it at all.
>>7771542just the g-pen or mappin pen (play with the pressure sensitivity)
>>7771578oh stop moralfaggot, it's not a big deal you redditor
Shading is gay
Raccoons are cute.
I CANT FUCKING DRAW FACES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I often think that /beg/ is bad but then I look at other generals and realize it's not *that* bad
>>7771661This whole board is shit. Which generals do you think are shittier?
>>7771597nice
I think her right wrist is wrong with this angle, could not find exact position as reference so I took a photo of my arm in a mirror
>>7771599Wild that the guy one step removed from diddling kids is calling other niggas redditors. You belong there.
>>7771703id' much rather have him here than you. You seem like an insufferable snowflake faggot. Hello glowie fucktard no one is talking about touching kids. Why are you having this reaction to a non-sexualized drawing of a clothed anime character in a swimsuit? You are the problem.
>>7770423Horse ridinghttps://youtu.be/ZK_Kg9Px59U?si=QjIh5MLiyuR-q8eH
>>7771703thinking that fictional drawings have anything to do with actual child abuse and csam is disrespectful to real victims of abuse as a person who was abused i don't give a flying fuck if people want to draw fictional characters, because they aren't real, they don't have feelings and no one is actually hurtstop this mentality, the 99% majority of people who actually abuse kids do it opportunistically and aren't drawing shit on the internet
>>7771342Why don't you reply to this >>7771176?
>>7771759t. pedo
>>7771763don't like that shit, just have the ability to separate fiction from realitycensorship isn't a scalpel it's an automatic shotgun
(male) btw
>>7771769gay
>>7771765He still draw a child in seductive pose. He's a pedo. You should stop depending those people. Don't let me statrted with the shortstack retards.
>>7771759guess the cycle of abuse never does end
>>7771769he broke his neck? wtf is going on
>>7771765>>7771759absolute shitstain on society
>>7771782how the fuck are shortstacks related to this at all
>>7771795Shortstack shitters are pedos in denial.
>>7771794>>7771790i don't like that shit and i don't want to see it, i just don't think drawing it automatically means someone would abuse a kid i wish he would go to lsg and stop posting here because i don't want to see pedoshit, but i don't think drawings are the same as actual abuse or harm i do wish he would post where he belongs instead of here so i don't have to see it
>>7771798enabling the continuation of these drawings is a form of abuse, if it continues past the point of reconciling with the abuse, and I do agree that they shouldn't post that kind of stuff here but it's not really something we can stop.
>>7771805i mean i'm willing to listen to your argument. why does it continue the abuse of no one is actually hurt? genuinely i want to know, not fighting you, i'm willing to change my mind on the subject. >>7771797this i don't understand. shortstacks are short women with big tits and adult features, aren't they? they're just short.
>>7771807>don't understandFor example pic-rel is a child. Shortstacks "enjoyers" are pedos being shy. That's all.
>>7771599>>7771673awesome. saved
>>7771814most shortstack art I see has big tits/ass and doesn't look like midna.
>>7771820Big tits and asses = adult ?What a retard.
so tired of this jap effortlessly mogging me in every fucking video of his course, im still symbol drawing even though i am intentionally trying not to and following his 3d shapes mogged by asian jeans once again
>>7771834yes. you are clinically retarded if you didn't know that. What's your stance on midgets?
>>7771837japs may naturally have more 3d perception than westerners. maybe cognitive resolution is real
>>7771844Midget are ugly. They draw children with big tits and asses because they are fucking horny, not because they are adult.
>>7771849that didn't answer my question
>>7771852Post a attractive midget with huge tits and ass.
>>7771856why?
>>7771849some women are also just short without being midgets
>>7771858Because there are none. People who into midget have a fetsh for it. Its real. Shortstack are the ideal of a pedo. A CHILD with huge tits and anime face.
>>7771860how would you know that's their ideal?
>>7771862I have common sense unlike you.
>>7771872No you have deep internalized guilt and insecurity that you want to inflict upon others
>>7771873I just have a moral and common sense :)
>>7771875good for you. don't take it out on others. You voluntarily came to this website. There is no point in preaching on a 4chan red board.
>>7771875what about short adult women like sabrina carpenter types with small chests
>>7771860>Shortstack are the ideal of a pedo. A CHILD with huge tits and anime face.wouldnt the ideal of a pedo be a child that looks like a child
>>7771880A child with big tits and ass still looks like a child, facial, and height wise. The big tits and ass part because they are hypersexual gooners. Still pedo in denial those shortstack "enjoyers"
>>7771880anon you have to understand this guy had a random outburst at an anime drawing that had zero nudity or sexual emphasis whatsoever calling it "seductive". He 100% has brainrot / internalized problems that he wants other people to bear for him so he can feel less alone.
>>7771883>facialdidnt you just say that they have anime faces, which are basically emojis?>A child with big tits and ass still looks like a child>a child that doesnt look like a child still looks like a child>>7771885>an anime drawing that had zero nudity or sexual emphasis whatsoever calling it "seductive".but that drawing is clearly sexual and its not even a shortstack, just loli
>>7771885only women care that much, it was a woman who freaked out
>>7771885>>7771555>A child showing her ass to you>Not seducutiveKYS
>>7771887>but that drawing is clearly sexual and its not even a shortstack, just loliOnce again, this is your problem. stop projecting your insecurity onto others. It's not our problem to solve your mental issues.
>>7771342What's the deal with her legs?
>>7771890there is zero detail or genital emphasis or implied sexual theme whatsoever. Seeing a child in a swimsuit is completely normal. grow the fuck up. Holy shit what are you doing on this website?
>>7771893>Once again, this is your problemAgain, that shit is clearly lolishit. You are being a pedo, because you see that as normal.
>>7771893Are you trolling or delusional?
>>7771897Seeing a child swimming is not lolishit. fucking brainrot. Holy fuck you would not survive one day in reality. Now stop spreading your brainrot insecurites.
>>7771176>>7771319>>7771345Aww thanks>>7771401Yeah they got patreon with all stuff. Those that i drew are from ''structure of the torso basics'' section.
>>7771900>swimmingi wonder out of a 100 000 000 people how many would say that she is "swimming" instead of sticking her ass out to the camera, 2 maybe?
>>7771896The prominent point of the drawing is the butt of that child. That is loli SFW stuff. You are clearly trolling now. KYS
>>7771898I see nothing sexual in this depiction. I am so sorry for your braindamage.
>>7771904>there are no ids so you cant just hide posts from baitniggers like these
>>7771904Okay. Pedo
>>7771902>>7771903Fuck off fucking reddit brigade. since when does 4chan have a fucking meltdown over a swimsuit? Go back holy fucking shit.
>>7771728nta Please take your meds. He said one step away from it.>>7771759So much can be said in so many words. I think your mentality should be reflected on. You do know there *are* cases of this sort of thing spiraling right? Just because you are super special and are immune to the scars of trauma diesn't mean some other guy isn't nefariously using it for spank bank. You are not the representative of a group. You are a poster on 4Chan.
>>7771908stop trying to fit in
>>7771908LOL anyone who disagree with me is a redditor. There is clearly a thread for shit eater like him. He should only post on that thread.
>>7771769Love it! Got a blog?
>>7771907stop projecting pedro. you are the one with so much brainrot that you see seductive when you see a fictional child bathing. No one is interested in your moral grandstand on fucking 4chan. Don't read the rules to /b/ or you might die of shock to learn what website you are on.
>>7771916Bathing? I thought it was swimming
>>7771916I am a Pedo now? You are the one who lack moral and common sense. KYS
>>77719164chan is for edgy people, not pedo.
moralfagging on 4chan. where was this morality when people were simping for an actual minor who posted here a few months ago and none of you said shit?
Here is your thread. Go back>>7768063>>7768063>>7768063
>>7771920And how exactly is it edgy to preach about the dangers of fictional girls to grown adults that willingly enter a porn infested, loli allowing website?
>>7771923There more to being edgy than porn retard. I just don't like pedo.
>>7771924moral policing other people sounds more like reddit to me. no one cares about your dumbfuck opinion. Fact is you are on a loli allowing website and crying about it.
Realistically how long should it take me to get to the point where I could draw my own convincing archie comics? Also, how come when I study something like this Archie head, the first one turns out pretty good and then they always turn progressively to shit?
>>7771928>loli websiteLOL no.
>>7771933reading comprehension, sharty troll glower
>>7771910im not immune, i find it triggering. i just don't think it's on the same level as actually hurting people.
>>7771935>shartyLOL
>>7771935>glowerI have your IPs in my book now. Start to behave Child diddler :)
>>7771937yes. we've seen your pathetic playbook. keep derailing.
>>7771939you're the one trying to draw various parallells to real children and drum up drama where there was none. Typical glow agent.
copy
Me when I can't even copy
>>7771953are you black or do you worship blacks
>>7771953left: alpha wolfright: domesticated beta
>>7771955Wtf is going on with the derrailing today? Also is it better if when I'm trying to copy and see mistakes midway I go back and fix them or if I just finish and learn for next time? I hate when I see something is wrong and think I can fix it but then I just leave it be
>>7771957Idk what's my problem but I always consistently make the breasts bigger and the waist smaller on anything I try to copy or reference. I guess it's not that problematic with women but it does make males look comedic
>>7771958why are you copying that garbage? Are you black yourself so you feel solidarity with the creator or do you worship blacks and their social acceptance of saying the word "nigga"?
>>7771962I found something I liked on the internet that seemed hard for me to copy and I tried to copy it. Shut the fuck up if you've nothing to add to the thread.
>>7771953
>>7771962like he said, stop derailing.
>>7771958Id say fix until good enough then move on to the next part. People say take breaks and flip canvas to notice errors right away, but I often forget.
>>7771004I kept making her ass bigger and bigger
>>7771965no harm no foul then, just know that "drawing" (the source is a tracefest) is vantablack goy coal
Colored the vampire girl>>7771553The 5head is fine i think it will looks better when you throw on some hairs>>7771958I know this is accurate to the reference but i don't like how round the pec is here. I wonder if it really looks like this irl.
>>7771967I do it like this because I can't copy any other way, I put down a rough shape of it and then work over that, usually with constrution to learn how to do that, but it comes out wrong every time. Wrong in small ways but small is massive in terms of copying because it changes everything. And I can't help but see them. But I can't fix them. I'd have to redo the whole thing over and over to actually get it 100% right. Should I do that with something? Maybe something useful like one of those statues that are apparently good to copy>>7771969That makes sense. I just stop when I feel like I can't improve it anymore>>7771972Some dudes have fat tits. It's a good thing god does sometimes.
>>7771759
figured out that you can use 2d transform to construct in 3d
The head is indescribably fucked but I tried like 4 times to fix it and I'm making it worse every time so I give up
Man that whole thing is fucked I need to just delete drawings after finishing them so I don't get the temptation to spend even more time on them. And now I have to do figure drawing. I don't wanna. But the alternative is drawabox and I'd rather drawaknife and insert it in my body.
>>7772014Nigga overlap your drawing above the ref to see where you're messing up
>>7772027Okay so the head is wrong the arms are wrong the pose is wrong the shadows are wrong the proportions are wrong alright got it can I move on now officer
>>7772032No, now you make it right
>>7772035But sir wouldn't it be more useful to attempt to draw gesture now instead of spending even more time on the same thing. It's so wrong I'd have to do it from 0.
>>7771972Where are her nipples?
>>7772049I don't like when they're only partially shownDw about it
>>7772051they should basically be fully out with how low on the tits that corset is
I think I'm getting better at this
>>7771004thanks!>>7771186>>7771253
>>7772057She has vampirism induced nipple deformity. It's unfortunate but it is what it is[spoiler] i'll be more mindful of that next time [/spoiler]
I am got bored and did this. It is pretty bad.
>>7772039no, that'd be procastinationtime to redraw ithttps://youtu.be/LXCs7n8VkEk?t=407
>>7772145How good are his videos for learning? I see people shit on youtube art tutorials a lot.
>>7772014To be fair, the original has some comedic inaccuracies as well. You might just be unable to make yours look good because the source material lacks in various places. Isn't that aupposed to be a dog head on your ref? I really do wonder how this would compare to irl references. (Yes yes I know stylization, but even the copier is having problems). I might photobash some things together later just out of pure curiosity.
>>7772148his main advice is to stop using tutorials and do project-based learning, with a clear, measurable goal (i.e. by having an artist to emulate)it worked for him to start working as a character artist
>>7772058How long did that take you?
>>7772163>project-based learning, with a clear, measurable goalPeople keep saying these words over and over, but what the hell do they actually mean, on a practical level? Can anyone give some examples?
>>7772145Alright sir. I'd rather not. But okay. I'll do it. >>7772155Well it's not like I can see them for now and also the question is just copying so if I'm not copying it right then I'm doing it wrong>>7772164Like probably around 2 minutes. I'm kinda slow. Idk if I'm just retarded but I cannot even comprehend doing figure drawing in like 30 seconds. Maybe it's just a question of improving
>>7772170One of his big recommendations is to find an artist you like and over three months make a series of completed images. Aafter each one compare it to the artist you like and pick one thing to work on improving before the next image. Repeat that over the period of time.
Do I redo the drawing or erase and resize etc to try to fix the already existing one? I'm leaning on starting from 0 to be honest
>>7772179start from 0, use >>7771967verify and correct after each step
>>7771004>>7771976sexo
>>7772184bros...
>>7772184>listening to a vtuber opinion
>>7772176>find an artist you like and over three months make a series of completed imagesSo basically master studies of all their works?
>>7772200No, you don't copy and instead make original content then compare it to the chosen artist after you complete each image.
>>7772163I want to try doing that but I have too many artists I like and don't know who I want to emulate to start...
>>7772202why not just do both? master studies are helpful enough on their own
>>7772206just pick oneafter the 3 months you can simply pick another and repeat the cycle
>>7772207The idea is essentially speedrunning failure and learning how to correct those failures rather than a typical master study
Do you do the stereotypical "measuring with the pencil in an outstretched hand" thing? How autistic do you get with guiding/support lines for measuring proportions, ratios and angles? Or do you just learn to eyeball it so as to not waste too much time on this instead of actual drawing?
wip
>>7772220Very cute, great appeal level.
>>7772186It took me like 67 tries to get here is this good enough to continue with the rest. Also do I verify the details and shading too? At least with the rest you can go step by step but there I'd have to like do all the detail and then correct at the end no?
>>7772184Just draw is guaranteed to improve your skills, it's just not an optimized path.
>>7772233that's fine but incomplete, if you'd follow >>7771967 you'd have the envelope for the whole figure, including the hands and pantsyou can simplify shading into light and dark, just a single value for each, separated by line
>>7772220Eye be on wrong level. But idk how to show. Just move them around. Or maybe they're right and I'm dumb. Very sorry>>7772237I always just go for the outline generally and then go from there. Negative space or something it was called. I'll just fill in what I'm missing using what I know is right as a reference point
>>7772184I mean ymmv but I believe this is kinda true, I think I've stagnated after I stopped studying for the most part, though there are basic things you can just mindlessly grind and improve (like gesture)>>7772172>2 minutesIt's alright, you'll get better and faster at gesture with practice, just do lots of them
Boss I'm starting to get dizzy I might have to take a break>>7772255That is the idea yes
>>7772265draw the hands before the breakjust the general shape, do not pussy out
Hat Kid 2.0
drawing some feelings
>>7772267I had to use guidelines because I am miserably failing at it and still I kept failing. I can't anymore. My head hurts and I can't focus. Drawing makes me extremely tired. I need a break. I beg of you officer. Before I pass out
bweehhhhhhhhhhhh
>>7770930I slept.
>>7772374
I would say this is a decent improvement
the Scum
do you think your artist name matters any? ive been thinking about how i feel like mine is pretty lame/cringe, but i dont know if it really matters enough to change it
