Solitary Pursuit of Realism Edition
>>7781453Anime is a memetic cancer predicated on the basal manipulation of the reproductive signatures of our primate brains. I'm sick of seeing this shit
A woman. Painted in oil in 15 minutes from life, I wish I had a little more time but I guess it's still a good exercise to stop thinking and focus on doing. Still I need to find a place that does longer poses, 1-2 hours would be ideal.
>>7781458Then kill yourself.
>>7781458If you are feeling anything about seeing it you are prey to it's memetic effects all the same, if anything you are the biggest victim of it. Just let it go already and stop suffering by your own accord.
>>7781473you will never be japanese>>7781476>if I just ignore it it isn't true!!!!!!
>>7781506We are talking about the mind here, anon. There is absolute nothing it can not accomplish if you schiizo yourself enoughj, literally nothing.I'm partially conviced that I probably could call every star down from the heavens and burn out the sun if I tried, I just don't really want to do it because the idea of me actually accomplish it scares me more than me not being able to do it.
>>7781570back to pol
>>7781458In 100 years anime artists will be the old masters everyone looks up to and the likes of Sargent will be considered primitive cave painters.
Sketchbook
>>7781999
Top five worst trad thread OP images
>>7782065>the white wart in the middle disgusting
>>7782065Let's break the record and use your painting for the next OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wtc4hIDzmI
>>7782306I hate boomers
>>7782316i love that their speaking affect looks like they are "booming" its so funny. jmouth agape, throwing sounds out of their fat throats. true retard generation
https://youtu.be/VX5H95c_gdYevery day I grow more convinced that focusing on longevity was a mistake
>>7783092Galkyd gel i very good, use it exclusively for a year or something. But ive never tried the original lead recipe.Before i tried so much, oil, medium, liquin impasto was decent. I mixed my own mediums with eggs.But now i just use the gel. It could dry faster. Besides that, its nearly perfect for me.But i try to use straight tube paint as much as possible anyway.
>>7783092this guy florent has some good ideas (I like his color analysis, the 60/30/10 rule) but man does his art suck. It's like he's painting cheap 80's action comic books in large format with oil. Ridiculous.
>>7783269overthinking is positively correlated with sucking, it is what it isI appreciate the suckbros putting out info on materials and the likepeople who can paint are just like "hmm yes, put some shit on it, rub it in or something"https://youtu.be/AyA8fkMJcDE
>>7783288Tell it the reanissance masters, onions.
>>7783295the renaissance masters were literally calling each other retards for painting in oil and making humans look like bags of walnuts with muh anatomy
>>7783295>onionsWhat gay ass shit is that, i came here for a taste of the sweet burgerland freedom (tm) but get treated like a goy.>>7783304>lolimus maximus.jpgFuck i get war flashbacks.I entered an art competition and i had to submit an artist statement and a description of my work. It was a still life.My body refused to write this shit, it was just too cringe. I couldnt even force myself. It was the first time i used ai for anything other than translation, and the last time. I googled a Chinese ai i let it write. I had to tell this thing more than once to tone down the cringe shit.So, no i cant even laugh about this. Its soul chrushing.Its a humiliation ritual, postmodernist hold a stick and you have to hope over it.I live in eurostan for a while now. In this fucking anarcho-tyrany dystopia and i know a thing or two about humiliation.But at least its not North Korea i dont ever have to sing the anthem, i dont have to write a love letter at school to the mighty Manager.As long as i am a quite little bitch and i pay all my bills, and i dont write mean thing on twitter about my overloards they let me be.Its a quiet humiliation, i can pretend as if i dont care.But those fuckers made me hope over the stick. Like a dog. That was grim. I i would write a 100% truthful artist statement and make it public i would go to jail. Funny isnt it?
Anyone wanna post art lol
>>7783587I did and no one bothered to respond.Not falling for that again.
>>7783344>I i would write a 100% truthful artist statement and make it public i would go to jail. Funny isnt it?I don't have a website yet, but when I do, I'm gonna write 7 artist statements, all completely different from each other but all of them hitting every single buzzword out there, and I'm gonna have my site cycle through those statements, presenting a different one every day of the week.
>>7783659What a postmodern thing to do.>>7783632Have you asked for critique?
>>7783700>Have you asked for critique?I thought by posting work you imply that you want replies or critique.
>>7783704No, you have to state what your goals are. Nobody wants to waste time to critique a postmodernist, like Brian.>i painted a harbour>it looks nothing like a harbour>reeeeehhhh, i dont care, as long as it looks like AnYthINgIf you express your desire to paint figurative and tell what your goals are, im sure people will help you.
>>7783716Help?Some anon said "wanna post art". So I just said, I did but no one bothered to respond, then what incentive is there to post art?
>>7783718What have you expected?
>>7783718you're replying to the postmodernism retardyes, by posting art you are inviting critique, that's literally the sole reason for the board
>>7783767Clouds from imagination. Pastels
>>7783804>83 KB, 1152x1289the image is literally riddled with jpg compression to the point I can't even tell if it's a painting
>>7783810>jpg compressionLast time i mentioned it, the whole tread turned crazy.
>>7783826what you were sperging out about had nothing to do with what I'm pointing out, never reply to me again
>>7783810>can't tell if it's a paintingIt's that good huh?It's been through snapchat and messenger and cropping, I didn't consider the quality.
>>7783810Wave from imagination. Pastel
>>7783826>the whole tread turned crazyI'm the one who asked you to explain exactly what you meant, and I did it just so I could learn. I think you're being overdramatic.
How do you even photograph your shit? I've looked at some guides and they're basically saying to buy an $800 camera
My practice exists at the intersection of trauma, ecology, and post-capitalist healing. Through a decolonial, queer-feminist lens, I interrogate the invisible architectures of privilege that permeate both the body and the Anthropocene. My work destabilizes binaries -human/nonhuman, digital/organic, absence/presence - in order to generate a liminal space of radical becoming.Drawing from intersectional methodologies and embodied epistemologies, I situate my gestures within the expanded field of social practice. Each mark, each trace, is an act of resistance against hegemonic narratives of productivity and the Western gaze. By centering marginalized knowledges, I aim to unlearn the colonial matrix of power and reimagine a pluriversal future of care.My installations are participatory yet intimate, collapsing the boundaries between artist, viewer, and ecosystem. Utilizing found materials, recycled narratives, and community-driven affective labor, I invite audiences to decenter the self and enter a dialogic exchange with more-than-human entities.Ultimately, my work is not about answers, but about holding space - a space of unknowing, of dismantling, of radical softness in the face of systemic violence. It is within this ongoing process of deconstruction that I locate hope, resilience, and the potential for transformative, post-disciplinary healing.
>My practice existslol
>>7783980Im just joking.>>7783985Realistically, without spending too much you have to find a place where you get soft daylight. Thats the trick. It cant be direct light and you should not be under the sky, it would shift the colors towards blue.Avoid glare at all costs.I have a place with white walls and an overhanging balcony, works perfectly form me.I have a modern portrait objective with sharp rendering as well, which helps a lot with details.If you want to use lamps, it makes everything way more expensive and complicated.>buy an $800 cameraNo, if you have 800 bucks invest it in clear glass.You are making photos of a static object with a camera on a stand. An old, used dslr will work fine.
>>7781453
>>7783990All of this is just verbal diarrhea with words that hold no tangible meaning. PYW, let that speak for you instead of WORDS WORDS WORDS.
>>7784594such a fascist thing to say
>>7784594
>>7784653Cat?
>>7784594No shit retard. I asked chatgpt to come up with the cringiest artist statement full of ideological cliches.
>>7784664Getcha, now show me a good one.
From the guy who bought a gallery in New Zeeland and sold 0 (zero) paintings.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyUe_DP7u6U
>>7784735no, no, nohe bought a fancy historic building in a town of under 500, on the southern island, separated from 80% of the population by water, some 70% of the farthest distance he could get from all relevant population centersfor reference, it takes 5 hours to drive from christchurch to the gallery, one way
>>7781458Any competent artist can draw a variety of styles including anime. It's not the style's fault if an artist is incompetent.Stop being a retard ffs.
>>7784688To he frank ive never seen a good one in my life.
>>7784768
>>7783826Vermeer avoided JPG compression using his camera obscura and lead white paint.
Soft pencil drawings looks awful when scanned
>>7785254truly ahead of his time
>>7785254Vermeer had skill compression with all this technical trickery. Not a master.
Painted in gouache. I feel it's missing something though. Maybe more contrast, different colors for areas in light.
>>7786236>what is composition
>>7786239True, I'm very bad at composition. What would have been a better composition? Maybe extend the bridge more, put the light a bit more in the centre?
>>7786242composition isn't "where things are", it's what the actual image is
>>7786245I thought it's how you arrange the elements of the image, choosing where to place them to guide the viewer and so on.What do you think I should have changed or added?
>>7786245>>7786242by which I mean the actual visual reality of what the image is, not the conceptwhat values, colors, shapes etc constitute the image, how they relate to each other within the image, and so onie composition is the actual image, not a dimension of it>>7786249no, go study compositionyou're asking for a bandaid when I'm telling you the way you conceive of the image is unsubstantiated
>>7786251Well alright then. It's not like studying composition and asking for a suggestion is mutually exclusive.
>>7786256what you've painted is in effect a black rectangle, the question of how to fix it is the same as asking to be told exactly what to paintI'm not being dismissive, you just really need to study composition
>>7786258alright, fair enough.
>>7786236The image as it is right now seems to suggest something should be there, every thing in it almost looks like a frame for something, that "something" has to be chosen as the artist. For example if I werre to paint a portrait of a person but the person is not there and all you can see is part of the chair in the bottom of the picture and the wall in the background.Who or what is the real "star" of this painting, what did you set out to paint when you began? What was your intention?
Titties
>>7787034Have you ever studied anatomy? It looks like it was drawn by a retarded child.
>>7787036Silence virgin
>>7787034tits ain't enough to distract from the overall begshittery
>>7787034very nice tits
>>7787036Do you only reply like this because you know it's Brian?
>>7787055Stop coping, start to learn fundis.
Do u guys have a process book and when is it time to start another painting?
>>7787180>Do u guys have a process bookno>and when is it time to start another painting?when coping that I can fix it is no longer an option
>>7787073Posting a second one just because ur a hater
>>7787315Ugly penis.
>>7781453Jesus Christ... westoids can't produce anything but the most disgusting nightmare fuel slop in existence
How is art valued basically if maybe you are to, make hundred thousand clicks,traffic, profit sales, so on regularly, yearly?
quacked up eye lady
not sure where else to put this except for /beg/ but i haven’t seen a single animation there and im too bad for the animation thread
I'm so fuckin done asswad. Go home, you literally even have the fuckin plane, ticket free godamit. Make a Facebook a ND name warren buffe in Mandarin, it will be indifferentiatable. What else? Aw shit, guessing komodos. If it still lits you like goddamn oasis, I think, that your real fuckin talent, and boy, ohboy, they don't appreciate babysitting, so that you can go to hell with the stupid fuckin nannies. Go to hel with one piece godamit, you didn't earn a single fukin penny either, goodfukinjob warrenwalllalahubers. Fuc you
>>7786566Well the idea was that there was this little rusty mess of a walkway, a lone lamp, and a big colourful sky, nebula or something to contrast with the bleak decaying structure. The give a sense of you emerging out of this decaying megastructure and out to see a beautiful surreal night-sky.But I wasn't happy with the results, I think I used too little colour to do the washes so they were too pale and didn't really get the soft wispy colour vibes by adding more opaque paint. So i got this idea of a cold clear night with stars instead. And slathered the sky in black instead. But that killed the original idea, as you say, it's pretty empty, the star of the show, the colourful sky is absent. Even though I'm pretty happy with the texture on the walkway, it is pretty boring.>>7787366Very nice! I like the luminosity, I feel her eyes are a little similar to her skin colour though.
I fucking hate my paintings, it's such a humbling experience. I guess that's why I have to do it.
>>7787691I will draw to calm myself
Fuck fuckfuckfuckfuck whywhywhy
Ok it got less troublesome sure>Fuckeveryonesstupidleisurelylife>Stupid fucking convenient morons and their leisurely biceps >Actually, it's kinda surreally fat tooDamn some thispictures, fuck this thread it's worthless
>>7787685>eyes are a little similar to her skin colourIt's literally the same color, every book I've read said eyes should be flesh tonedWhich is not to say I did a good job, they're too flat and evenAlso, now that I look at it, it kinda looks like I was painting Sydney Sweeney for some reason
>>7787691it's not terrible, you're just making everything flat, like a picture. Cameras are terrible at capturing value, so don't copy pictures when doing values. think about the source of light and how the arm turns into and away from the light. Think of how light would hit a cylinder and try to do that on your arm: the values should be dropping away towards the edges, because the light is hitting mostly in the middle of the arm/cylinder. Too lazy to draw you an explanation.
>>7787804I know but copying pictures is all I wanna do
>>7787955just post the porn you drew of him already, we all know you have it
>>7787957I genuinely don't. I sketched up some other porn for you out of memory though. Infinitely less interesting than drawing him unfortunately.
>>7787965>Infinitely less interestingYeah, cuz you drew a woman. You do know you're gay, right?
>>7787965Better than Brian's cartoons, that's for sure.
>>7787965>those proportionsAnon, I...
>>7787969Sure. I mean, why not
If i start sculpting, will it slow down my progression in 2d?I went through the entire list of academic artists on wikipedia, 50 or something. I checked everyone who was marked as painter and sculptor. And almost all of them, have only painting or sculptures in the gallery.Gerome and Lord Leighton are do only two with a profound skill in both disciplines.
>>7787973That's why I stick to Himmler. Easy to draw, nicer to look at
>>7787986
>>77879732.5 heads torso, what's wrong with that?
>>7787989They're the proportions of a young boy, nigga. Look at the size of that head and the shoulders to hip ratio.
>>7787992I was drawing off memory and may have been a bit influenced by my own body type. Feat. Self portrait
>>7787993>They're the proportions of a young boy,Nope., google Bammes.
>>7788000Oh yeah, that's the stuff. Now bring it lower
>>7788004Good idea. I'll draw porn of myself soon.
>>7788003
>>7787952I get it, I'm not saying not to copy pictures. What I mean is, when you're working from a pic, don't try to copy the values from it, but instead try to imagine what the value should be, based on the form of the volume and the source of light. Cameras tend to even out all the subtle values in the turn of the form, so you have to put that back in there through sheer imagination. You have to show the slow transition of the form from light to shadow. Does that make sense?
>>7788020I already have the knowledge, but my issue with my paintings doesn't lie in that, since I don't mind how my drawings look on paper. I just don't like how I paint. Plain and simple skill issue, the one I posted here was my second painting I made.
>>7783269>the 60/30/10 rulejust watched the video, this guy shouldn't teach color mixing to anyonethe first two steps are "choose the wrong paint" every fucking time, he thinks pigments combine on a linear line and he's just bumbling all over the place trying to justify his dumbass "system"
>>7781459Pretty good for 15 mins.What courses/books did you use to learn painting?
>>7788305>Pretty good What is good about it?
who do regular wooden pencils feel better than mechanical pencils
>>7788644Usually better weight distribution and balance, at least at first.Most important part, the lead is noticeably softer and smoother.Not even 0.5 but even 2mm and 3mm from faber castel are much stiffer compared to mars lumograph, from the same company. Wooden HB is smoother than 2b lead.I dont know the reason, i have sharpened my mars wooden pensils so that the lead is exposed up to 3cm, and it works fine. So the lead they put into a wooden pencil is tough enough not to break, but the still make them stiffer for mechanical pencils.Maybe there are better leads out there, but i dont know about it.
>>7781974It's just going to be an oddity that future generations will look at like Kewpie Dolls or Precious Moments figurines. People will see them as a creepy doe-eyed cartoons and they won't understand why anyone ever liked it in the first place.
>>7788305Did a lot of drawing initially. A lot of figure drawing from life model, a little bit of guidance too but in general it's just about working from life a lot.First drawing, do a lot of drawing from life, when I started feeling a little confidence with that I started painting the figure, I applied the things I do in drawing to what I paint. For example focus on proportions and silhouette first, then focus on light and dark, and if I have time I might focus on colour a bit more.Now it's far from perfect but that's mostly because 15 minutes is just a rush. I already use a very limited palette to make it work.As for books, years ago I used to do watercolour (but it's too difficult) and had two books I would swear by, The Natural Way to Paint by Charles Reid and Interpreting the Figure in Watercolor by Don Andrews. I loved those books, I think they did leave some mark on my work even if I haven't touched watercolour in years but that's how I started.
>>7787985No, at least you should know to model basic things with some oil clay. It will make it easier to understand the forms you are trying to convey in 2s.
>go to take a piss>pass by mirror>my mouth's blue>my teeth are blue>I was chewing on my hood string, probably soaked in paint>either phthalo or cobaltit's over
>>7787985Tintoretto, Poussin and El greco used little statues for their compositions to figure out lighting etc. So if you can make those ur good.
>>7789799RIP in oil paint
What achievable tape can i use to fixate my paper on an art board? Masking tape from hardware store gets very nasty after a couple of months when exposed to uv light. I don't think it's a good idea to use it on drawing paper.>>7789732I have some oil clay. Its a little bit demotivating to put time into sculpting with it, as its non-hardening.>>7789802Did they carve the marble, or did they just the clay sculpture. As far as i understand, sculpting with clay is just preparation, the real work is carving the stone.>>7789799Better get rid of your oral fixation.
>>7789968They used wax iirc.
Is there a rule of thumb about viewing distance?I frequently glance over to my paintings lying around the place and am taken aback at how nice they look, but they look like shit up close, very messy and imprecise, badly executed, sloppy, uneven, lacking skill etc. But when I look at the from a bit further, the edges and messiness disappears and my values start looking really, really nice, much better than up close, probably because the texture evens out, not sure. I mean like 1-2 meters away, not anything crazy far.They also look pretty crappy in photos since I take them up close, and my formats are pretty small since I'm still learning.I'm happy that it looks nice at a distance, but I can't help thinking everyone would look at them up close and think it's shit
>>7781600>everybody who disagrees with me is /pol/
>>7791149Ideally a painting would look nice and have some interest from every distance. I've noticed that (bad) painters, due to the process itself, tend to focus too much on the up-close instead of on the faraway, so at least you're not making that mistake. Next time you're at a museum, take some minutes to observe people and how close they get (hint: not a lot). Normal people don't really care about textures and brushstrokes all that much, that's mostly our professional wankery.People will see your work from afar first, and if they're interested they'll get closer and closer (most people aren't that interested though, and people spend less than 30 seconds on any given work of art at top-tier museums, so what does that leave you?). If your work is shit from afar, nobody will get close enough to admire the beautiful brushwork you've done. My advice? Just keep practicing, all those things you mentioned get better with practice. Read Richard Schmid's Alla Prima to get some amazing tips. Some random things:>while still in the wip phase, keep your edges as soft as you can. It's much easier to harden an edge than to soften it.>Clean your brush rather often and spend a decent amount of time mixing any one color on your palette so that when you apply it, it's one consistent color and not a mess. This gives your paint a cleaner look and it makes it easier to correct if the applied color is not the one you want. >try a limited palette, or a semi-limited palette (any saturated red/blue/yellow, and then tertiary RBY like burnt umber, raw sienna, payne's gray). Having less choices helps harmonize better.
Any critiques of this one? I was going to work some more on the ear and jaw and neck, maybe the hair as well. Do the colors look muddy or desaturated at all? I feel like my perception of the colors changes wildly depending on whether I paint in daylight or at night under a lamp, which makes it hard to judge the colors and to match them correctly to the ref.This is gouache but eventually I wanna transition to oil. I was hoping the skills I pick up using gouache would largely transfer over to oil? But idk maybe I should just go straight to oil.
>>7781458this is was supposed to be a drawing of charlie kirk but ended up looking like some random slav
>>7792249>Any critiques?Work on your edges, I think that's your biggest issue on this one. I don't see a single soft edge anywhere on there and it should almost be the opposite. Your highlight edge is almost never hard, it always softens out a ton. Colors are a bit desaturated but it works, though you could definitely punch it up if you wanted to. Try to do it in the shadows: adding a bit of red in the shadows really helps a lot. Look at Rubens' shadows, he was putting down tons of red on them and it can look amazing.>whether I paint in daylight or at night under a lampI've been there, light variations can fuck you up bad. Try to get your light at 5500-6000 kelvins, to match the temperature of your daylight. Or organize yourself and have two parallel pieces, one for daylight and one for night time.I wasted almost a year and tons of money with acrylics before I got the courage to jump into oil. My advice is, just jump in, it's not that hard, and you can start with just a few cheap colors. I've never done gouache but I'm sure it's very different from oils. Godspeed, anon.
>>7792632I was about to write the same thing,the edges are the biggest issue.JJust wanted to add, for oil, if you like to do portraits and figures, starting out with a simple palette of >titanium white>ivory black>yellow ochre>cadmium redYou can paint pretty much all skin colours, work with values and get very far. Personally I prefer english red, it's very strong but a bit muted compared to cadmium. (also less toxic than cadmium but please don't eat either of these paints).It's a simple palette that gives you plenty of freedom. If you want to go outside you may want to replace the black with blue and add a bright yellow or a green, for a basic palette this should be enough.Just do it, in my experience, gouache is quite different so if you want to do oil. Work clean, mix on your palette not on your canvas, apply color confidently and big shapes, things should be fine.
Which one should I get? I have the zorn palette but with scarlet lake instead of cad red. I'm getting cad yellow light and burnt umber, should I pick up cad red light also while there is a sale?
>>7792661You can always do a few test mixes and see how the palette behaves when the colors are mixed up. Like pic related but you don't have to be so elaborate.In the end, any color can be used, "which one should I get" depends entirely on what you plan to do with it. Cadmium red light can be on the expensive side if it's pure, always check pigment numbers. As a general rule if it has "hue" in the name (like cadmium red hue) it's not pure cadmium and has different pigments to get the effect of cadmium red but may behave quite differently. Pigment numbers are always on the tubes. Look them up.
>>7792661If money is not an issue then yeah, get cad red as well, it's a basic color you will eventually use. If you want to save a bit, then just go ahead with the scarlet lake you have. Scarlet lake will work fine in terms of the color itself (hue), the only issue is that it might be too transparent, but give it a go and see how it behaves. In my experience, WN is better quality than Sennelier.8 kr is not a huge difference, imo.
>>7792632>Try to get your light at 5500-6000 kelvins, to match the temperature of your daylight.Tats too cold.>>7792657>>titanium white>>ivory black>>yellow ochre>>cadmium redThat's too cold as well.It works with lead white, if you use titanium your warmest pinks and peaches are way too cold. With titanium you would need an additional cad orange to fight the coldness.
>>7792697>That's too cold as well.I don't know what you plan to make but just as an introductory palette for oil painting it's enough if you do portraits and figures.You can add more red to your mix to create warmth and will also exaggerate the color a bit, it can create a very pleasant effect, I've utilized this palette in a lot of figure studies and it works fine to get a good feeling for the medium.
>>7792661personally, I don't like ultramarine, phthalo and prussian blue are superior
>>7792697so what's the right light temperature?
>>7792657What about vermillion instead of cad? (Old holland one is Pyrrole red actually)
>>7792846No, maybe orange/red cad insted of red cad would work, ive never tested it out. But titanium has such a strong tendency towards blue, that you will fight green and harsh cold pink tones all the time. You can work with it, sure. By making everything around your pinks colder, but you will end up with quite cold paintings overall. Zou faces will look as if photographed in an office.>>7792798There is no right temperature, in nordic countrys you will often have bluish daylight. If you have cold lapms with a high color rendering index, could work. But leds with a strong blue spikes on the spectrum are very bad for painting.3.5k is way too warm and 6k is way too cold for me. Form me 4-4.5k feels natural.
Horse
>>7793468It does not look like a horse.
>>7792632>>7792657Very helpful, thanks.I guess I'll go straight to oils, then. Went and bought some cheap water soluble oil paint (cadmium red, yellow ochre, french ultramarine, burnt umber and titanium white).By softer edges I assume you mean having more intermediary steps when there is a transition from one color to another, is that right? Or does softer edges involve mixing/blending/blurring them on the canvas? (rn I just paint in a way where I put one speck of color up at a time and then go back to the palette to mix the next color). Or that's just a matter of preference, I guess? I'll try to paint in more consistent light conditions going forward. Any other pitfalls or general tips that'll help me not waste time or make things harder than they need to be as I get started here?
>>7793542>Went and bought some cheap water soluble oil paintOof, why didn't you get normal oils?
>>7793542How you blend your edge is something you have to decide.Depending on the situation I might add an extra tone inbetween or sometimes I just drag a clean brush softly on the edge and it blends slightly, creating a soft edge. The latter works well in oil since it dries slowly but be careful not to go over it too many times or it'll become a muddy mess. Preferably just in one bold (but light) stroke of a clean brush.Edges are one of the most important things in drawing and painting, edges tell you about the form of the thing you paint.To get an understanding, take a look at this Bargue plate, look at the edges (the contour but also the edges of shadow shapes) look how much variety there is in sharpness and softness and how it is used to suggest soft forms, hard angles, it basically tells the whole story.
>>7793557I do get the idea that edges are transitions in value, gradual or sudden, at least in the context of drawing. I guess I was wondering if it is different for painting? I feel like there are soft value transitions in the painting I did? Maybe the issue just is that there aren't enough? Is it the core shadow in the cheekbone and jaw where the edges are too hard, specifically? I don't mean to be obtuse, I just wan't to make sure I understand.>>7793546I know, I instinctively reacted against it when I first learned that such a thing exists (though not for any technical reasons, I just have inherent mistrust of modern innovations to traditional, established ways of doing things fsr (for instance I just learned that in the EU they started adding something to the cow-feed to stop the process of the cow's digestion producing methane, which to me is insane that you think you can do that without some negative consequence. But that is a tangent, sorry)).My justification for using water solubles is mainly to be able to paint indoors/at home and to make cleaning easier. Are there any major drawbacks to using them?The paintings I'm doing rn is also mostly to learn and get mileage. I don't expect to be doing masterpieces anytime soon.Wouldn't water solubles be fine at least for finding my footing and homing in on some kind of method/approach/technique that works reliably?I do eventually want to go to regular oils. If the gap between gouache and oils is large, surely it is less between water-soluble oils and regular oils?
>>7793627also, does anyone know if you can paint on watercolor paper with water soluble oil paint?
>>7793627The same things apply here in painting, as they do in drawing. There are soft edges in your painting but not in the right places, I marked a few edges out that stand out, they are in the light, they have no softness, and the contrast is too high. So it creates a hard turn in a shape that should be rounded. And because it is in the light area of your painting it attracts a lot of unwanted attention. As a rule of thumb you want also more value gradations in the light parts and less value gradation in the shadow areas.
>>7793629I see. Really appreciate the feedback, thanks
>>7793627Hey man, all I'm saying is, if you want to learn oils, then get oils and use them.If you want to learn water soluble oils, then by all means do so. It's a different medium that I cannot help you with as I've only used it very briefly and I didn't like it. If you want Mileage and practice just keep drawing with pencil and charcoal, drawing is the most important skill when it comes to painting.At least that's how I did it.
>>7793628I've never worked with water soluble oil paint, but I would strongly discourage it. Try oil painting paper instead. Watercolor paper will suck up any paint you put down immediately, and this sucks for many reasons:>you won't be able to move that paint around as much, either to fix it or to do these blending tricks we've been talking about>the color will change and go matte as the paint gets sucked into the paper>you'll have to use tons of paint to cover any small surface, lots of money wasted.That's why we paint on gesso-primed (or oil-primed) surfaces, because they absorb paint at the right amount and speed, that is, not a lot. You want to put down a brushstroke and then be able to wipe it out almost completely with a rag.I pointed out in pic related some of the hard edges you could fix, but I suck at drawing with my mouse, sorry. You don't want to leave all those straight hard lines between your values. Assuming the placement and value of your brushstrokes is ok (you could work on your values, but we're focusing on edges now), once you have that edge you can take a clean, dry (no paint on it) brush and gently soften that edge. It can't be explained, just watch some videos or try it out. But like that anon above said, it should be one bold (but controlled) move. The thing is you can attempt this with oils all you want, because if you fuck it up, you just fix it with more paint.
>>7793627Compare your edges with Jacob Collins' here. See how his highlights softly blend into the light on the skin? How the shadow gently becomes light? That's what we mean. Small clarification: "edges" technically refers to the meeting of light and shadow, but you could also soften a lot of your transition from one light value to another light value. Either by blending or by adding extra transitional steps like you mentioned.
Cast drawing that I am working on, it still needs a lot of work and rendering. Fairly sure my proportions are off though, I need to check them but I'm worried those can't really be salvaged at this point in the game. ngmi
>>7793678>Fairly sure my proportions are off though, I need to check themToo late, you need to do it before rendering. Start over.
>>7793538it's my style
>>7793678Heh nice, I have done Beethoven too, here is the study I did alongside, it is quite a bit smaller but helped me along in the larger drawing.If you find proportion issues when you are already shading and rendering then it's over. Next time take extra care in the line drawing stage.
>>7793801The photo is not so good, I'll see if I can take a pic tomorrow of the bigger picture. This study is just sitting in a frame on a cabinet, it is nice to look at from a distance.
>>7793686The cast is hanging angled forward a little bit, and the thing that I think is off is that it got a little wide in the face but that should be a pretty minor fix, just move the jawline in a tad. The angles all seemed to be checking out alright though. I know the drawing needs to be a 100% solid but I think I lost track of the drawing when I was blocking in value. It's all charcoal so if you so much as sneeze at it, it lifts so there is some room for adjusment. I'll try to do better on the next one, but I'm gonna try and bring this one to a satisfying finish first.>>7793801>>7793803Thanks, and that looks nice anon! How big is this study? I'd love to see it.
>>7793921>I know the drawing needs to be a 100% solidThats what i tried a couple of days back. To do a Russian-style academic drawing, with pencil.But measuring lines, before any mass is on the paper, is cancer.
>>7794003But now i switched to charcoal and it feels much better. Its way more like painting. I can bring big masses of tone with vine charcoal that's very easy to smear and erase. I have to measure a lot less, i can just see the relations between the masses, from the beginning.I guess i painted too much and too long with oil, my brain prefers to work with masses instead of lines.But now i have to do the rendering, havent done it in a while with charcoal.
>>7794003>>7794010both of those look very squished
Cant render on this paper. Too smooth, probably. Or technique issues.>>7794108Not sure about the first one, the second one is; went too laissez faire with the measuring.
>>7792910>but you will end up with quite cold paintings overall. I didnt realize that but I did always knew something wasnt quite right with titanium white based portraits
Attention, it's me the best artist in the thread. I am about to drop another masterpiece, so stay tuned!
>>7795041Are you drunk, again, Brian?
>>7795075>Intuitively knows Brian is the best artist
"Can You Warn God?"
>>7795797what are the two topmost things on the stack?
>>7795812Top is a book, next is a minipiano
I want to get into paintng probalby arlyic. Can I just start painting or would I have to learn perspective, antaomy etc with a pencil first.
>>7796724>probalby arlyic.Nah, oil is the way to go.>Can I just start painting or would I have to learn perspective, antaomy etc with a pencil first.Brian never did.
>>7796729Ok but is it good for starting/learning? It takes longer and also I cant vent the fumes.
>>7796732you're taking advice from the guy in op, fyi
>>7796732>Ok but is it good for starting/learning?Yes.
>>7796724
>>7796724Well according to ingress painting is easy.
>>7797131>be me, drawcuck>enjoying a nice cup of coffee>see paintchad delacroix chilling by the fireplace, bougie women giggling and touching his painting arm>autism.exe>march up to him>"Drawing, sir, drawing is honesty">he stares at me blankly, the uncouth bougies still pinching his arm>"Drawing, sir, drawing is honor!">the idiot doesn't even comprehend what a blow he's been dealt>exasperated, I spill my coffee over my shirt>"This is too much! I shall go; I will not let myself be insulted any longer.">I grab my hat angrily and leave >t. ingres
I'm doing a quick test on ink lineart mixed with watercolorInk looks a little bit too bold compared to the gentle-transparent nature of watercolor and it doesnt feel right when you look at it. Its still on first wash but still, I dont think that it'll look good even after layering this entire composition with another wash. Anyone have done similar thing before? I have another on progress watercolor drawing and I dont know if I should draw the lineart with ink again or what
>>7798223black ink never looks good on anything using any amount of rendering, try brown
>>7798252its sepia actually, but it still looked off indeed. I used blue ink from the same brand to line the flower though. do you think I should get another color for skin lineart?
>>7798266if they have yellow ochre, that could work very well for skin
>>7798223Pic related is Pierre Joubert. I think he's using a water-based gouache here. I don't think he ever inked the outer contour lines but instead just used a very thin brush to paint the lineart. Although he has a lot of ink drawings that are worth looking at, too.
>>7798545I just looked it up and apparently there's no yellow ochre drawing pen. The closest thing would be one of those iroshizuku ink paired with g pen, so its either that or I try to find light brown drawing pen. thanks for the advice>>7798551extra fine brush for outlining is good, but I think I'm more comfortable using pen and ink first before laying the first color wash to my painting>picthanks, that's a nice recommendation, scrolling through his art right now, he love to draw boys that's for sure
>>7792487With that sneer I thought you were trying to draw Nietzsche without his mustache
>>7798628damn he is unrecognizable
How come classical atelier and Nerdrum fags are so limited in what they paint? I sometimes like their portraits but apart from that they never really convince me.
I'm trying to do this underpainting with initial definitions of light and shadow. Usually I treat it like digital and just block out the base colours and paint shadow on top of that. Does it look like I roughly did it correctly?Second question, how do you guys handle mixing colours as needed? I never really know what to mix at the start like this, and I hate stopping what I'm doing to mix colours up while I'm in the middle of painting. Is it just a matter of either dealing with it mid painting or learning colour theory better so as to get your palette built out at the start?
>>7802368I know very few artists who premix their paints all in one go before starting to paint. Where did you come up with this crazy idea? Painting IS mixing colors, if you don't like doing that then maybe go find another hobby.
>>7802390To my knowledge plenty of people premix palettes. Not exactly a eccentric concept.
>>7802368>Does it look like I roughly did it correctly?No.I mean oil paint is very flexible, and you can do whatever you want.But what you do is nonsense. Read a book, Alla Prima2 for example.>I hate stopping what I'm doing to mix colours up while I'm in the middle of painting.Use a low chroma palette before you learn how to handle it.
>>7784022i like the style of the guys face.
>>7793628you can but hey won't last for a long time. it is fine for practice if that is what you have and want to use it up
>>7802390it's pretty common in oil painting
>>7802363>I sometimes like their portraits but apart from that they never really convince me.Some try to, most of the time, if not always, it looks rather like kitsch or like a traced photo.Nobody can ever capture human interaction, the figures look always retarded, distant, cold and aloof. It's always dream like and pseudo-mysterious. They always try to make it look like an art house movie scene.
>>7802463>>7802612what world do you guys live in? One thing is to have certain premixes you usually make and maybe tube, another thing is to premix every color you'll use in one painting, like this anon is referring to. The former yeah, the latter wtf?
>>7802758>the figures look always retarded, distant, cold and aloof. It's always dream like and pseudo-mysteriousIndeed but why is this the case?
>>7802802To play devil's advocate, one could say it's to avoid being too illustrative.Other explanations are possible, probably even more reasonable.
>>7802791yes, the latterI'm not saying it's a good thing, I'm saying I've seen it many times, especially with skin tones they'll premix the entire scale and paint with that
>>7781453first time using charcoal. should i blend it next time? i kinda like the "raw" look. using willow btw if it matters
>>7802941blend what, you didn't even block in the values
>>7802962wat? i have various areas ranging from darkest to lightest. just because they're not literal blocks doesn't mean they aren't there. explain
>>7803047>>>/ic/beg/not even joking, this is basic shit
>>7803055That general is useless. Explain what you mean or I'm going to disregard you as a crab. I have the darkest darks from the reference in the darkest areas. I have the lightest lights from the ref in the lightest areas. If there's something other than that then you need to explain it or literally shut the fuck up and kys
>>7803057also midtones are present across the right side of her face and nose etc.
lol
>>7803057>>7803058Squint, nigga, squint.
>>7803057It's only useless if you have a double digit IQ, the general isn't there to hold your hand
>>7803066uh, that shit works when you're looking at a 1940's bulb studio light with a nice sharp clean shadow, not when you're being backlit 45 degrees by 2 different lamplights in a photography studio. if you'd like to provide a specific way in which i could've done this better instead of being a useless crab faggot, feel free to contribute
>>7803069>>7803064
>>7803069stop coping
>>7803076I'm not coping. I was looking for actual, actionable critique you humongous faggot. Could've saved me 10 replies by just saying "oh I think your values should be darker". Now I have something to do instead of wasting time with you.
>>7803077That's not even close to what I'm saying, you illiterate retard. Pick up a book for basics.
>>7803079The darkest darks, I mean. And it helped immensely. You aren't even "saying" anything in any of your replies, I'm having to tease meaningful critique about my artwork out like we're fucking children. You're trying to say the values are off, and then sent me a photo as example and that's the only useful thing you've done. Next time be more to the point.
>>7803081Read >>7803066 until you're not retarded and never reply to me again
>>7803082Next time provide actual critique on the artwork/critique board instead of playing vague, gay little in-games.
>>7803081that's not the point, your values aren't too light, they're unstructured, inaccurate and undefinedthey don't describe the form at allyou could render that image with lighter values than yours correctly
>>7803084Alright, so how would one correctly structure the values in the case of my ref? Can you provide an example or draw it yourself? I want to see what "describing the form" looks like from somebody better than me.
>>7803087I'm not gonna do your work for you, retard, literally use your eyes, the ref is right therelike holy fuck, how much of a worthless howie can you be?if you don't understand value structure, go learn about it
>>7803089I'm a "howie" because you say shit like "undefined" "inaccurate" "unstructured" and then don't explain exactly what those mean in the context of my ref, genuinely what the fuck is wrong with you? How can you even try to be an authority to me when you can't even define what the fuck you're criticizing me over??? God this board is fucking useless
>>7803091>but what is petting in the context of this dog???
>>7803091your value shapes aren't definedthey aren't structuredthe values' relation to one another is not accurate to the relation of the planes of the form they are describingif you don't understand what these words mean, you need to learn the fundamentalsstop shitting up the thread
>>7803095embarrassing
>>7803098can't catch me
>>7802941The raw look can be nice but then you need to work on your mark making skills because right now the shadows in the face just look like dirt.And you may also benefit from staying in the linedrawing stage a little longer, making sure the shapes and forms are in the right place and shadows are marked out correctly.Pic related, look at the first image, try to do the drawing as best as you can like this, with just lines. put it away for an hour, pull it out and see if you can do better still before you move on. Really push yourself to "get it right".
>>7803143Thanks for your input. I’ll try copying the first section of the image like you’ve said.
>>7803069Maybe it'd be better to work from references that actually have that "nice, sharp, clean shadow", instead of ones where the lighting is more complex.
>>7803057>have the lightest lights from the ref in the lightest areas.At this point, you should have simply asked for clarification than turn into a hostile retard. You don't deserve to improve.
Is it true, that in Europe you can buy lesser known academic work very cheap?
is this the thread i deserve?
>>7803805You deserve nothing, nodraw.
>>7803805we're sorry, brian, please forgive us
>>7803661Dunno man, what is "cheap" to you?I sometimes look around auctions and it does seem like older paintings are affordable in some sense but at the same time most of these paintings are also not 'that' good. And what do you consider academic work? Like 19th century charcoal figure drawings? I've seen those around also, but being charcoal or graphite on paper they are quite a bit cheaper than oil paintings unless it's from a really well known artist.
>>7804154>Dunno man, what is "cheap" to you?Under 100 euros.
>>7804251Maybe you can score some academic student drawings if you can find them.
>>7804251I can't even get naive paintings for <100 in my slavic backwater
i'm doing a drawing of Walt Disney and could use some feedback on this WIP I did in 2-3 hoursI know the right side is messed up I'm going to just redraw that part and keep shading the rest until it looks right
>>7804663This is not /beg/. Why can't you fuckers just go to /beg/?
>>7804663Finally, you are making progress, Brian. Ganbatte!
>>7804663>feedbackPost ref.
>>7804675Right, that's /nodraw/
>>7804682
>>7804663>keep shading the rest until it looks rightIt's never going to look right if the foundation is off, no amount of shading should be done until the initial drawing is on-point.First thing I notice you put a horizontal and a vertical line. Why? In the reference the head has a clear tilt, you benefit more if you drew these lines at the same angle instead.
>>7804694Try this simple tool, your proportions are off, Brian.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq98sRcdBmY
Decided to try oils at figure drawing again, it's hectic but I decided to work with a premixed value range so I had to mix very little when the model was posing.Pic related was like 10 minutes. It's obviously very rough but it's a fun exercise to push yourself a little harder.
