How do you "feel the form"? Does it magically come to you after studying other fundamentals?
>>7787437uhh it just means to draw in a way that makes your characters have some life. I don't have pics but once you notice how some people draw things super stiff vs with some of the natural bounciness things in real life have (exaggerated) it's obvious
>>7787437just feel it
>>7787437Mostly it means you grind until your muscle memory more or less get it right without thinking and you only every need small adjustments. Some people just grind figures until they get there some people use construction on the parts of the body that are more confusing, most use some combination that works best for them
>>7787437>How do you "feel the form"?Usually by going over there and feeling it. I've gotten by a few restraining orders, and kicked out of quite a lot of life drawing sessions - but you gotta break a few eggs, as they say.
>>7787437>Spends 60 years drawing and teaching how to draw>still manages to draw like absolute shite with zero appeal.How to avoid the vilppu trap??
>>7787437>feel the formWhy does almost every art teacher speak in this "philosophical" way? It might lead to misunderstanding, since everyone will have their own interpretation of what you mean by "feeling the from".Brent at the very least tries to communicate you in a clear way. Why can't more teachers be like him?
>>7787757How long are his observational courses?
>>7787674He just likes drawing naked people
Use your sixth sense
The old man is fucking with everyone. It’s all philosophical and not meant to be taken in the literal sense.
>>7787827yeah, this book isn't for beginners at all. if anything beginners should try drawabox
>>7787437Simple. Use your mind's hands.
>>7787871But for real though, same as how there's visualization for sight, and audiation for sound, there's also... feeling the form... for tactility. Mental tactility I guess. Tactation? So you can get a visceral feeling of the form itself as if it were a physical thing while you draw it and so that same physical form shows itself in the 2D representation as you draw.
imagine running your fingers across an apple. you can "feel" the texture in your mind, you know an apple skin feels mostly smooth. think of the weight of it in your hand. its not as heavy as a bowling ball and not as light as a grape. you can "feel" this in your mind. do you not have an imagination? now just imagine your pencil running across the form as if your pencil is your finger.
Formchads, I need your advice please. For a few months this year I was practicing and grinding super hard (life drawing 5+ hours a day) and then in the last two weeks I began to be able to "feel the form" intuitively.But I took a 2 month break from drawing and it's like that fifth sense I gained, and the muscle memory of feeling the form in the paper, has vanished. My drawings are flat again. Is there any way to make the gains permanent? Is it a use it or lose it thing?
>>7787954yeah, drawing isn't like riding a bike, you do lose things if you stop. However, it'll be A LOT easier to relearn it, you'll just have to do what you did before again and it's gonna return no problem.To avoid such things even just drawing 30 minutes a day should be enough.
>>7787931It’s just the spongebob meme about the marble.
>>7787437Practice and do copies until one day it starts to click, and you literally just feel it, like something in your brain just goes "yeah that line for this thigh should go exactly there and flow this exact way" and it'll look good. The more you do it, the more it will happen and the longer you can sustain it.>>7787954Drawing is like exercise. Stopping for longer than a week will gradually sap your gains and you gotta grind again, but your body remembers and it'll take less time to get back to where you were.
>>7787437ngmi if you cant literally feel the form in your head
>>7787437Baitpost, but serious response.Some of posters here are definitely right, it's just visualizing the subject and its surface, not just the sillhouette but the "internal" area as well. How it has bumps and valleys, if something has weight, if the material is soft or hard and gives way etc. Even imagining what you cannot see, the back, thinking of the entire structure.When you draw a line over and around the sphere, on paper you would represent it as just that, a line, if viewed head on. What you should instead consciously try to do is imagining that some areas of this line are located closer to the viewer while the rest is further away while drawing it. You can't actually physically move your hand back and forward, but you imagine it just the same. When you do an upwards stroke you are drawing the front and middle of the line is closest, butwhie doing a down stroke you imagine drawng the line on the back. Basically drawing an ellipse that is a line. This isn't some mumbo jumbo.If you watch vilppu he makes a lot of aerial movements with his hands without touching the paper between strokes, this is him imagining a 3dimensional structure and drawing over and around it.You can do targetted exercises to help develop this "sense" by simply playing with simple forms and manipulating them, gradually graduating towards more complicated interlocking forms. Just drawing crosscontour lines over pictures will help a lot.
>>7787437I always understood it to mean, try to sense the depth of the marks you make, even as you're merely making 2d strokes. When you draw a curve, feel and emphasize how it arcs from background to foreground.
my failed attempt at following vilppu
>>7787437I gotta re-read this book. Reading it as a beg fucking SUCKS and I hate anyone that recommends doing that, but I feel I'm good enough now I could actually understand wtf he's talking about.And yeah, it does. It takes a long while, but eventually it starts making sense. Brent Eviston's Gesture Drawing course is fantastic to begin with. He explains to you *how* he feels the forms, which is something Vilppu never does.It'll still take a while before you can feel them instinctively, but it gets easier with time at least.
>>7788927>which is something Vilppu never does.He has a lot of video demonstrations where he explains everything he does and why in a concise mater
>>7788960Maybe he does but as a beg, however he explained it, it went right over my head to the point it felt like he never did. Compared to Brent at least, who completely retard-proofs his explanations.Like I said, I'll have to rewatch some of his stuff and re-read his book. he's probably a lot better than I remember him being now that I've been drawing for a few years and my drawing ability has gone from wet noodle to slightly harder noodle.
>>7788927EVERYONE KEEPS MENTIONING THIS GESTURE COURSE BUT I CANT FIND THE TORRENT HEREDOES ANYONE HAVE THE TORRENT?????????????????????? I NEED IT ASAP
>>7787437You literally just pick it up with time.Draw wrapping lines around spheres and other curved surfaces
>>7789034It's on the Video Course General main torrent >>7764716When you have it, go to courses, figure, and it'll be there as The Art & Science of Figure Drawing. Download both courses, and do like one of them per day.
>>7787437Try sculpting, you'll figure it out very very quickly.
>>7789135Yeah like anyone has the money and time to buy sculpting materials. Lol
>>7789135not possible if ur a turdworlder
>>7789257>>7789306Clay is free and can be found all around the world.
>>7788550it's a pretty good attempt, don't crab yourself.
>>7787437first, you need to have sexthis way, art immediately and automatically filters ethnics
>>7790458did it filter you too?
just think about gravity a little and know how the forms youre drawing wold interact, because muscles for example arent just stiff, it's basically just water and fat most of the time, so it'll be hanging to a degree if not tensed. or an ass will be a combo between muscles and fat, so you have to feel and think how it would behave depending on its position. i dont even know why i would explain something you could deduce logically. just try to be concious more
>>7787766It's on the ic torrent. I think it's pretty good overall and I say this as someone that calls others westoids
Lots of good advice in here. Something additional that helped me was to draw cars. Especially from life - but also theres endless carshow videos and what not online. Cars are 100% symmetry and form and perspective. Visualize and sketch each car as a simple rectangular form. Bounce between human figures, animals, and cars. You will inevitably feel the form soon enough. (Also cars and insects are very similar to draw. You'll be amazed how well you can draw bugs and shit after practicing cars)
>>7787598>uhh it just means to draw in a way that makes your characters have some lifei don't think it means that, i think it means to conceive the shapes as a 3 dimensional model in your head in order that there's no confusion as to which planes will catch the light and which will fall into shadow
Use a 3d modeling program to make teapots and other basic forms, or browse sketchfab and grind until it makes sense.
It sounds bullshit but genuinely just imagine sticking your hand into the drawing and caressing the surface and if you just can't picture it or it feels off then try again. Try doing the same thing with drawings you like and photos to see the difference.
Absolutely no joke I feel like my ability to "feel the form" gets noticeably better after a few weeks of not jerking off, like suddenly the forms seem to jump out more and it's somewhat easier to draw spatial-looking blobs that look convincingly like parts of a body (back, stomach area, chest area, thighs, ...) and compose them together to form a body.
>>7787437I don't know if i feel it but one day i had a strange dream where this man came and pointed to several circles, boxes and other shapes. Explaining the process of "wrapping" around the form.I woke up with such inspiration and began doing shapes all over my sketchbook fast forward now i have a better sense of things still not pro-level but it's like i can see beyond the 2D of the paper now. Like if draw a circle my head is already "seeing" a top plane, a lower one and how it curves around.
>>7800081this but unironically. look up POIS, some people genuinely get mentally and physically impaired after orgasm
>>7806110wow this fucking SUCKS and i think i have it
