How do most NSFW artists get paid? I assume Paypal but I'm too paranoid to use that shit. I don't wanna get doxxed by some shartyteen for drawing a 17 year old character. Crypto seems perfect for being anonymous, but most people interested in commissioning artists probably don't use it. There's cashapp but it's US only. How has there not been an English equivalent of Skeb yet? This stuff pisses me off in general, why can't artists just draw smut in peace without having to worry about being hounded by retards?
>>7790267If you select PayPal business you can edit out things like email addresses and real names from the invoices you generate. It does mean you eat the cost of PayPal's fee out of your take, which is annoying but It's worth it IMO for the sake of privacy. My main fear using PayPal is getting banned, because PayPal swing that banhammer with a blindfold on half the time.Kofi is a good backup. Venmo is a good backup backup, but ultimately there's no real payment processor and/or payment service that is truly a good option at all. We're sort of constantly living on a cliff edge that could crumble at any moment because third party companies can't just take their fee and fuck off, they gotta pretend their cops for some reason.
>>7790359Last time I tried that I had to enter like a legit business registration number, which I don't think you had to before. Is crypto really not an option? You'd think more artists would use it with all the payment processors being like this.
>>7790388Crypto is not an option for 99% of humanity until grocery stores and electric utility companies start accepting it. Until, it's not real money, just a new and less trusted (lol) stock market.
It's a good idea to tell your clients to not put anything anywhere in their payments to you that it's for porn. Be very clear about this. Also nobody uses crypto you gotta be realistic. Your average anime tiddy lover is not hauling around some fat crypto wallet. Agree with kofi, PayPal & venmo.
>>7790392Literally the only reason anyone cares about crypto is to make real life money. The original concept of a decentralized currency to escape the clutches of banks is ancient history
>>7790359Should have studied harder in school and gotten a real job, NSFW anon.Captcha; AHHAG
>>7790447Dumbass, most universities and job positions are held by brainless, ignorant women because laws give them priorities over men while marginalizing unattractive males with regular or below average IQ and no outstanding skills
>>7790359Hello Fellow Time Traveller, welcome to 2025, i am afraid things have changed quite a bit since 2012...........
>>7790267>>7790359You have to do something convoluted like set up an LLC and register in a state where you can use a verified agent or something, OR use a middleman web site. Making money online truly anonymously is difficult outside of crypto because tax man wants his due
>>7790267We been through this so many times. Pixiv and DeviantArt both have in-site commission service where the site acts as the middle man and neither client nor artist see the other's info.
>>7790267>How has there not been an English equivalent of Skeb yetThere are, you're just too retarded/lazy to look it up. They're mentioned every time this thread is created. Threads like this that are created every other month.
>>7790453>universityless and also an incelcan't write this shit. i love it
>>7790507This. Also Etsy, Fivrr, or even ebay. Create a listing and link it on your page.
>>7790447I left my real career in marketing behind a long time ago because I'd rather make art than money. If I had all the money in the world I'd be doing exactly the same thing I do now. Drawing every day. I'm all in baby. It's make art or die trying for me.
>>7790267If some mentally ill American or a Youth living outside USA but is really marinated in Cyberstalking hates you enough, it will use all methods to find who you are.
>>7790520There's also artconomy as well. That lets you get paid directly into a bank. I've never actually gotten a commission through their before since it's a much smaller site but I have no idea what kind of fee structure they use.
>>7790530Could be trolls who try to report these NSFW artist to their goverments too. Porn is illegal in a lot of countries.
>>7790447>Thinking school matters in current year
>>7790359Kofi is a front for paypal. I know the full name and address of a cosplay thot because I bought a picture set from her using that site.>>7790407That was the idea. But it's full of grifters and scammers, who make exactly 0 effort to make their thing pass as legit. You have to be kind of an idiot to believe in crypto.
>>7790267Patreon and one time donation services, like paypal or koffee.Back in the day, people would setup their own sites for this stuff, remember hentaikey folks? I believe that was Z0nes' sites, back in the day.Does itchio still allow nsfw stuff, after all that credit card shit? You can also just have people pay to buy your work through there, like a constantly updating folder of your porn work for that year or something.Anyway, you're supposed to be an artist, get creative and work out how to make money from smut - don't just follow what everyone else is doing.
>>7790453>"Men should have to pay a singles tax">Mentions nothing about women having to payI'm guessing she's still single. Sexist & Single.
if you don't have an established following/presence online, it'll be hard to find a steady stream of commissioners because people are too worried about being scammedit's best to use a middleman site like vgen and advertise through commission focused places like discord servers
>>7790267I know that many use PayPal and Patreon. PayPal might ban you for drawing NSFW though.>>7790447And who decides what is a real job?Also, long ago having a degree didn't really matter for most subjects. Now I can't even find a job with a degree in engineering. Even worse there is always a goddamn woman with lower education than you, judging you for something she never studied about.
>>7790447I graduated with honors, have multiple published research papers, and pro experience Guess who prefers to draw cocks and titties anyway
>>7790359You can do that on the default account type and it does not remove your personal info from the transaction details, only the email that PayPal sends to your client. You can't make anonymous transactions on Paypal.You should always pay the fees and use invoices because a ban on Paypal is pretty much a death sentence.Keep in mind you also get your clients personal information. They will think twice before doing something stupid with your info. Unless you are a lolcow nobody will bother to troll you.
There are high risk payment processors specifically for porn why do people never use those
>>7790624PayPal is against live action porn. They don't really care about nsfw art. PayPal is cool with what is going on Patreon so just follow their guidelines.
>>7790682Because everyone already has a Paypal account. Your client doesn't care about your paranoia.
>>7790681>You should always pay the fees and use invoices because a ban on Paypal is pretty much a death sentence.I don't get it. So fees and invoices are optional?
>>7790686The patreon guidelines are vague as fuck and enforced really badly. Their TOS says you have to put anything explicit and pornographic behind a paywall, but even when they do people still get banned. It's infamous for pulling this bs. It's why so many artists run subscribe star as a backup source of revenue. A lot of Internet bans these days boil down to essentially, this mod is a faggot and he don't like you
>>7790267I draw nsfw for free because I hate myself and nobody likes my patreon.
>>7790682they only work with you if you have a revenue of like 200k per week>>7790686paypal is against anything NSFW and they also randomly purge artists of any kind because they dislike businesses that sell digital goods. also important to note that everything is automated, so if the AI decides your account is kinda suspicious (you logged in at a weird time and received X% more money than last week) via some weird statistic probability calculations you just get permabanned on the spot with no recourse, and the paypal employees arent going to help because leaving you banned is less risky than undoing the algo's decision. i have a friend who was permabanned for taking a blurry photo of their ID. the automated image recognition couldnt read it and just permabanned them on the spot, they spend 8 hours on the phone trying to talk to a higher up that manually reviewed the ID, employee said that it seems fine and that they'd resolve the issue, was very reassuring. then 10 minutes later they get an email about "our decision is final blah blah"also worth mentioning that sites like kofi will try to alert your payment processor if they catch you posting NSFW art off platform, a lot of artists dont care and do it anyway but its a timebombyour job is to get enough of an audience before you inevitably are flushed out of mainstream payment options so people can be interested enough to deal with annoying shit like subscribestar.ignore these truths at your own peril
>>7790849200k per year*
>>7790708Don't dodge fees with the Friends&Family option like so many retards do. Always send an invoice to request the money. Don't tell your client to send it to you.
>>7790359just pay in cash, retard
>>7790267I never understood why there wasn't ever a more anonymous or more detached payment method type yet for things like this for NSFW commissions, or just even general art commissions online. There's online dark markets, but somehow not wanting to give your info to someone else is a big no-no. Even if I do normie commissions, I don't want my info out there.>>7790359>they gotta pretend their cops for some reason.It's almost like banks and financial institutions need to be trimmed of some of their powers. Especially considering how little oversight they get, gotta bail out the banks cus they're too incompetent, despite that being their jobs of doing nothing but finances, but then they can eat up all available properties and push political movements like BlackRock and Vanguard.>>7790453Not to get off topic too much, but shouldn't it be the reverse? Women are the gate-keepers to procreation in modernity. Ultimately holding the power, since you can't force a woman to marry. Why shouldn't the inverse happen to them moreso. Since men can procreate well into their 60's (since semen quality doesn't degrade at the rate of eggs, hence why millions of sperms are produced daily), but women's limited eggs and their quality dry up and drop in quality into their late 20s to 30s and their age, health and fertility are far more important in the health of the children than is a mans? Absolutely fuckin mind-boggling, but I digress.>~~ job positions are held by brainless, ignorant women because laws give them priorities over menYeah, there should be a civil rights case against this, especially the fact of the open secret of institutionalized barriers to success based on certain race, gender and even politics. But again, i digress.
>>7790925There's gotta be a chance Elon will make some kind of payment service that doesn't ban stuff. With Grok's Ani chatbot Elons gotta be enough of a weeb that he'd be in favor of a platform for people to get paid for coomer artwork without any worry.
>>7791078In theory, but didn't they just roll out some new algorithm which further limits the visibility of porn? I've noticed even bigger porn artists getting markedly less engagement over the past few weeks.
>>7790359>>7790596Ko-fi doesn't act as a middleman. It connects each transaction directly to your own PayPal, unlike other sites like Patreon which takes the money from patrons and then sends it to you.
>>7790925>not wanting to give your info to someone else is a big no-noBecause the internet is the easiest way to control people, and if you do things anon, that's harder to do, or at least requires warrants.
>>7790267Bro... use AI
Some faceless artist is not a target for doxxing. Nobody cares who you are. You are not a celebrity. You don't need that level of protection.Do you have social media profiles that conveniently link to all your friends and relatives? Are you afraid of unwanted pizza deliveries? What's the worst that could happen?
>>7791101>Some faceless artist is not a target for doxxingyes they are, really depends on how large big they are in the online space. You're fine if you're some shitter that only has like 10k followers, but once you reach the 100k+ range you are basically the radar of certain bad actors/schizos. >What's the worst that could happen?account being mass reported and getting suspended or banned. Just because you're a nobody doesn't mean others are.
>>7791101>Some faceless artist is not a target for doxxingGaslighting
>>7791101All it takes is one retard getting pissed off at you. Plus if you get banned from wherever, you're more fucked than a big artist, since you have less of a fanbase and fewer people willing to jump through hurdles to make sure you still get payment or whatever other blowback there is from getting doxxed or having your accounts compromised/linked/whatever.
>>7791101There's literally a random campaign going on this month with the goal doxxing NSFW artists, big or small. Some alt-right zoomer schizoids on a 4chan clone site.
>>7791101>Some faceless artist is not a target for doxxing. Nobody cares who you are.This has to be bait.>What's the worst that could happen?A fucking lot, since there's enough terminally online schizos now a days.
>>7791196If i were ever doxxed, they'd find nothing to compromise. I have practically zero online presence linked to my name, no real job, and i live with a parent despite pushing 40. Honestly somebody sending pizza to "my" house would be more fun and exciting than what I live with now, because at least it indicates that somebody is actively thinking about me.
>>7791406If they were to doxx you, they would mess with your family and not you.
Okay cool but there's no way to anonymously receive payment without fee grabbing middleman services and everyone expects to pay with Paypal
>>7791560Someone could probably make a killing if they could create a paypal alternative, but me thinks in me schizo conspiracy theory that the (financial) powers that be are a big financial cartel.
>>7791101I've been doing NSFW art commissions for like 12 years and I have collected a few mentally ill people over the years that will periodically harass me. There is this one guy that likes to pretend to commission me. He will pop up once every 2-3 years once I've forgotten he exists. He'll pretend to make a commission but then constantly moves the date foreword to when he wants to start his commission, constantly changes the idea, just stringing me on for as long as possible never actually committing to anything until I decide to stop responding. I didn't realize he was doing it until maybe the fourth time he contacted me and i decided to browse through my email history only to realize this has been happening over and over again for nearly 8 years.There's this other guy who likes to harass me in DM's. He'll just randomly curse me out. It's because I used to have a tumblr account but I abandoned it when they started targeting NSFW artists. Apparently he'd been messaging me on tumblr and i obviously didn't see his messages. So now he followed me to twitter.There's also this guy who threatens to commit suicide if I don't do fanart of his OC. He messaged me on every social media I use. I just ignored him and it eventually stopped.There was also 1 week where someone was persistently trying to hack my Gmail account and I would get non-stop alerts for login attempts.
>>7791685man, that's nuts... i plan on doing nsfw soon, so i guess i gotta be prepared for cases like these
>>7791685>There's also this guy who threatens to commit suicide if I don't do fanart of his OC.>I just ignored him and it eventually stoppedKek
>>7790925>I never understood why there wasn't ever a more anonymous or more detached payment method type yet for things like this for NSFW commissions, or just even general art commissions online. It's called crypto and it's confusing and retarded for the average user so people aren't interest in using it. Past that, if you're paying and not the receiver, stripe anonymous payments are a thing.Past that, Paypal looks like fucking heaven when it comes to concealing your identity from whoever is paying you, every single other payment method or service gives whoever is giving you money a Golden Ticket to your front door.But aside from that, running an anonymous payment service is basically impossible because you're either creating a stupidly convoluted payment method that will filter everyone out, or you're going to be driven into bankruptcy by five hundred thousand third worlders with stolen credit cards and chargeback money shuffling.
>>7791593there have been attempts but paypal always buys them outit isnt really hard to imagine that the ultimatum is "we buy your company right now for 500 000$ or we sue you to death". probably given to someone deep in debt trying to get their business off the ground stil, not hard to see why paypal always successfully buys out potential competitors.it honestly isnt even conspiratorial sounding, its just what an evil monopoly with near infinite resources would probably do.beyond that though some invoice site for art comms would for sure make a killing if done rightanyone who can think of a payment solution that is anonymous for the sender/receiver, doesnt require paypal/stripe, and is simple to use (no more complicated than entering card details, on the client's side. no accounts and no fees for them and no other bullshit) will have a very stable userbase.im sure artists would be more than willing to agree to terms like 15$ a month + 2-5% site fee on all the money they receive, potentially even more. especially if there's a human element and you can reach out to actual site staff and not be fed chat gpt responses. subscribestar does something similar, except that they're selective with who is approved, clients need accounts and one off payments are a hassle to do since its a subscription type dealthough i am of course a layman and my only skill is drawing so maybe all of that doesn't make sensebut personally i would be more than happy to part with 1/4th of my income if it meant i dont have to worry myself sick over getting banned by payment processors, im sure many artists feel the same way and their numbers are growing. hardly a week goes by without some popular artist having a (very understandable) mental breakdown over copping a paypal ban out of nowhere
>negative willpower>have commissions to do>forcing myself to draw them will make them shitI guess good artists dont have to worry about this, but I can only draw when I'm at 100% .
>7790453>most universities and job positions are held by brainless, ignorant women because lawsSo you fail to be a more attractive candidate in both meanings of the word?
>>7790527what about vgen?
>>7793032Isn't that just for vtuber stuff?
>>7790359>Retarded zoomer thinks kofi and PayPal business are anonymousMy fucking sides. How can anyone be this retarded?
How do I sell NSFW art if it's illegal in my country?
>>7793444Hahahah, what country outlaws NSFW art? Sounds like muslim country or any other same sort of shithole country
>>7793595chinanta
>>7793606Don't like China. I'm more of Taiwan and Japan kind of guy. I have artist friends from Taiwab and Japan but none from China.Xi Jiping is a dictator who looks like Winnie the Pooh and in Tiananmen Square the chinese government forces commited a massacre.
>>7793619hello /dtg/schizo
>>7793595South Korea. I have a feeling its not really pursued though, as nothing happened to Minus8
>>7793444General Butch is a pajeet (porn is illegal), and survived just fine until he got reported to the authorities.Basically, just don't get found out.
>>7793870Did he get arrested? I miss that guy's shit.
>>7791593They totally are but the main issue with being a PayPal alternative is getting the normies to trust you with their bank details.It's the same reason crypto payments never really took off, making a wallet, buying 100$ worth of monero or ETH and sending it to some other dude isn't that hard but every step of the way you feel like you're getting scammed.If I ever saw someone advertise their service as "PayPal but we don't give a shit how much cunny you're commission" I'm staying away from them no matter how many international banking regulations and standards they comply with
>>7790392If you make a very straight forward infographic about how to exchange their money for crypto and then send it to you then you might be able to get them to do it but you're going to have to SPOONFEED it to them because they will not do any homework to figure out how to buy fap material.
>>7793595turkey unfortunately
>>7793444Simple, just don’t draw porn.
>>7791685To be fair you get those even without doing NSFW commissions.
I think Monero is future, you can vet bucks literally by pervert crap like cupvoregurofurryscat or handgoldings withrow gloves
>>7790267i do a lot of business through hipolink personally, they're basically russian paypal. they take mastercard just fine. idk what their Terms of Service is, but it has to be less draconian than paypal or patreon.
>>7793595>>7794340japan too. can't show any genitals there, which is why they resort to tentacle shit.
>>7794467can you hide your legal name from clients there? my biggest gripe is senders just getting my dox haha
>>7794480i'm not sure. i've only ever used it as a customer for a russian furry 3D modeler. i only see his username, but you have to be careful because you can still sometimes see the artist's full legal name in the transaction history of the exchange bank app, even for sites like commiss.io that hide the person's name.
>>7794340It would do you good to overthrow Erdogan and cease the autocracy
>>7794340you'll probably be fine, maybe use a vpn if you're scared. i know a few ppl who make 3d porn animations and earn +1000$ off patreon while living in turkeyif you start making enough to need to justify your income/pay taxes you just say you're a freelancer and that you do video editing for foreign clients etcpretty sure your porn laws are only about stuff involving real people and large studio productions
>>7794437in english poindexter
>>7793032vgen does have a wallet, I have my paypal linked but I think you wouldn't want to do that>>7793253anime stuff in general
>>7794498commiss.io was good but it seems to be abandoned.
>>7794524>pretty sure your porn laws are only about stuff involving real people I feel like that's most countries regarding porn laws. A lot of asian countries porn is banned yet you'll have artists drawing porn while not being subtle where they're from. I suppose you really have to watch out drawing certain subjects though
>>7794775i still buy from foxovh there occassionally, he gets a ton of business but he's also famous (his real name is stuart by the way). the platform is operational. the reason why most people won't use it is because there is no "search" feature on the website. you have to type in the name of the artist you want on google and then go directly to their commiss.io page. you also can't really use google image search to browse commiss.io artists because of the NSFW faggot blur.i recommend using a site like commiss.io and then just spamming your commiss.io link into every public post you make on twitter so your fans can find it easily.
>>7791685>There is this one guy that likes to pretend to commission meThis gets old, and I imagine isn't uncommon. I have one guy who commissioned me once maybe a year and a half ago, supposedly the first part of a series. The later parts never happened despite him being pleased with the result. Every once in a while he will message me that he has some commission idea or wants to return to a previous idea or something along those lines, only to never commit. He'll also show me commissions he's gotten from OTHER artists, ask me what I'm working on, etc, but when I pose the question of getting back to the specifics of his supposed commission idea, silence. I don't know if he's trying to taunt me with art from other artists or if he thinks he's actually my friend, but in either case, I don't understand what he (or the guy you dealt with) get out of these interactions.
>>7790359>Venmo is a good backup backupNot always, Venmo and PayPal often seem to ban the same people if one does it.
>>7795658Venmo is literally just a PayPal company. I would be shocked if a ban from one wouldn't immediately carry over to the other.What about Zelle?
>>7794468Oh, that explains the lines they use as half censor.
another artist who got his paypal booted todayI needs to find a place to store my savings without bringing them to the country cause the argentinian conversion rate and the taxes will eat my shit alive
>>7793954His group were harassing people who didn't agree to make blacked stuff then someone from pol? Doxxed him and he retired. A shame
>>7790267How the fuck are they even going to deal with the Medicare work requirements in the future?
>>7793444It’s probably not pursued, police have bigger fish to fry. Although it probably won’t hurt to take measures to cover your ass.
>>7794125why are you crypto troons like this? always trying to shill your retarded meme coins
>>7800574the only coin it takes is bitcoin but people commissioning porn are too retarded to use italso porn is degenerate, i came in the thread to tell OP i hope it is made illegal where you are and you somehow end up in CECOT.
>>7798746I'm beginning to wonder PP bans have less to do with NSFW art in particular, and more to do with blocking high sales numbers accounts located in "developing" countries, and there just happens to be high overlap.
>>7790526Yep. You're a woke white woman.
>>7790925In the real world, which ended sometime around 2008, it wasn't a big deal if some randos knew some of your details. Most systems still operate the same way, and new ones that rely on transient public keys or other crypto bullshit like that are totally alien to civilization. And even if you go with those solutions, the net effect is that you give ownership of your given name to the government.
