Drawing "on the side" is a joke.You have to want it. It has to be everything to you. The act of putting a pencil to paper; stylus to tablet; brush to canvas, must be more than an escape. It must be the sole, highest purpose of your existence. Anything less, and you are condemned to mediocrity.Forget talent. When was the last time you saw an artist with a PhD, JD, MD, or even a STEM bachelors AND they still used their degree? Never. Because guess what? Anyone with a cushy six figure job, wife, kids, and home doesn't have a real "need" to be an artist. They're not "hungry." There's a reason why all good sportsball players grow up in the ghetto/favela. The same is true for art.
It's not some grandiose thing like that. It's just amount of hours spent x how efficient you study. Of course this becomes harder if you do other full time work or studies on the side.
>>7790817>last time you saw an artist with a PhD, JD, MD, or even a STEM bachelors AND they still used their degree? They all got laid off and can’t find a job anymore or do art full time now due to them making more money from art.
>>7790817>When was the last time you saw an artist with a PhD, JD, MD, or even a STEM bachelors AND they still used their degree?By artist do you mean someone that makes their living through art, or just someone who actively draws? I know people for either case, but obviously one is more common than the other.
>>7790817>Drawing "on the side" is a joke.lmao>has an easy office job with a lot of free time>can automate most of my stuff so i get even more free time>can draw in the office, no supervision imagine trying to make the same amount of money in my previous 5 years doing art alone, my friend was going all in NEET style on gigs, yet he barely makes 10% max of what I make, on a good month, most of the time it's 2-5% imagine not studying multiple fields and have a backup planimagine not wanting easy money and a secure lifeimagine wanting to scrap by and lose your hair stressing over moneyimagine staying in your home 24/7 grinding only to make less than minimum wageimagine having to sell out in the end anyway
>>7790817>Dropped out of school at 12what the fuck
>>7790817>Drawing "on the side" is a joke.It's fine if you just want to do art as a hobby. But hobbiests are not going to achieve the level of someone who is more devoted. >>7790937That's great. But how much drawing are you getting done while you're afk at work really?
>>7790959>only dropping out of school at 12 instead of 7ngmi
>>7791024>But how much drawing are you getting done while you're afk at work really?depends, I work 8 hours, sometimes I can draw for the whole period, in the worse case I can draw for 4 hours.then I get home and draw some more. I can also work from home when work is super slow too so it's a win win. I took the job to afford my tablets anyway.I'm pretty sure there's plenty of jobs where you can do the same, with even better payment. I just don't see why would anybody not do this, at least until they can save enough money to live for a couple of years or more.
I make 6 figures usd working from home, work 4 hours a day usually and spend the rest that’s not spent on chores and exercising on drawing and occasionally reading. I can focus entirely on drawing what appeals to me and never have to denigrate myself to accepting commissions or other people’s visions. If you could do this you’d have to be a retard to choose otherwise.
>>7791141>holy larp
>>7790817Balancing a job and art isn't too hard if you're willing to sacrifice Getting married/having kids (and in some cases, even a girlfriend) will absolutely cripple you unless you already have an art career beforehand. I have seen it unfold many times, dude gets married, has a family, and then stops doing art altogether. Not even as a hobby.Pic rel is very, very real
>>7791063How the hell do you land such a cushy office job? I can only guess you live in a big city where there's a lot of those. I just landed a job as a pharmacy tech, and now my coworkers are trying to convince me to go back to school and become a pharmacist. I'm sure the money would make it worth it, but pharmacists are busy pretty much the entire time they're on the clock. I'd love to do what you do instead, and get paid while drawing. In the mean time I've made it a habit to bring a sketchbook to work and draw on my breaks.
>>7790817>Anything less, and you are condemned to mediocrity.unless you are talented
>>7790817>Anyone with a cushy six figure job, wife, kids, and home doesn't have a real "need" to be an artist. They're not "hungry."I’d argue that the person who is still making art without needing it to put food on the table is making it for the sake of making art. Art for money is not art. That is a just a job. Drawing something that doesnt need to be drawn because you wanted to draw it. I’d like to think that is art at its purest.And indeed i have these things and i do not “need” to be an artist. I draw what i want when i want and dont give a fuck if anyone ever sees it. But i also dont consider what i make to be “art” but who here on ic is actually making art?
>>7791506I guess the sistine chapel isn't art because it was done on a commission
Another thread of permabegs trying to one-up each other with their deep industry insight. I bet they're cooking up their next zinger right now and not even drawing
>>7790817>When was the last time you saw an artist with a PhD, JD, MD, or even a STEM bachelors AND they still used their degree?I am pretty sure that WLOP has a degree in computer science and works as software engineer, while art is just a side thing he learned relatively late in life.
>>7790817You say drawing on the side is a joke, but which side???
>>7790817>noooooooo you have to whore yourself out on twitter and draw shitted rape loli scat vore porn for spic gooners or you're not a real artist!!!!I enjoy not dealing with nigger shit social media and faggot whore "artists" and not feeding my art into street-shitter operated botnets and not dealing with faggot obese autistic "clients" like a goddamn whore and being aware of faggot drama trannies and dogshit fanart of all the new faggot slop of the week just as much as I love drawing whatever the fuck I want in my free time. I'd rather be an amateur forever than making a single penny in this horseshit whore environment. I haven't followed the art scene in 10 years and I couldn't be happier and I wish I had quit looking at it sooner because I missed fucking nothing of worth and only poisoned my imagination with all the baboon cancer that floods the internet. I enjoy the idea that whatever little of worth I could show the public will never see the light of day while these chimps drown in faggot sloppa. Even if it's insignifcant, I'll take my art and music to my grave and all the public will get is the soulless shit I do for my corporate job. I hope AI gets 100x bigger than it is right now.
>>7790817if you can't draw on the side, you probably do multiple things at once. Probably autistic too. Just stop being autistic.
why do people lie on the internet. you have to be 16 to drop out of school in the united states.
>>7791630maybe the stupid kid thinks “dropping out” is taking the online school version of school where you can google the answers to all your test questions easy peasy and spend the rest of your day playing call of duty but that’s not dropping out.
>>7791630>why do people lie on the internetbecause nobody wants to hear that you got where you got because you're a rich kidI remember one internet musician I followed said he was "self-taught", I called bullshit, in fact he came out of Berkley (probably the most prestigious music college)
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>>7791635this is a meta thread you need to behave less like a newfag and realize /ic/ matured into generals majority since 2016.
>>7791640i barely post because 90% of this board is nodraws theorizing about useless shit instead of drawing
>>7791643>I barely interact with the state of the board but let me tell you why I think the thread I’m posting in must align with my core ideals of a perfect paradise Just go back to lurking please.
idk man, i started doing this one other hobby on the side and it turns out I was naturally very good at it. So much so it became less of a side hustle until it's now starting to look like something I can actually take seriously
>>7791256>looking at art as workNGMI
>>7790817Just because you don’t know them doesn’t mean thousands of these people don’t exist. The social media algorithms just don’t promote them to you. Any time you think you know “everything” about a topic and your source is social media, it’s a good rule of thumb to assume you’re being played by a content algorithm
>>7791616you are me
>>7790817The biggest sacrifice is being half
>>7791653It can be work, it can be joy, it can be both.
>>7790959Either turd-worlder with shit parents or a liar
>>7791256You simply draw on company time. If you can steal just 10 minutes every hour no matter what you’re walking away with 1 hour eight under shecklestiens nose + lunch break.
>>7795935You can't improve with just 10 minute chunks. There's no way to do serious, structured practice like that. Total cope. You are a company slave.
>>7790817Sorry OP but if you're smart you can do anything. Alphonso Dunn was an engineer before doing art. And I don't need to tell you about Da Vinchi or all the mathematicians and lawyers who also did art on the side.High IQ just lets you do anything you want and be good at it. Sorry bro.
>>7795991>there’s no way to do serious, structured practice like thatLow IQ take. I have a course on one monitor and my tablet or sketchbook nearby and the 10 mins adds up. So when I’m off of work I’ve already cleared half or more of a lecture by drawing along. Most people in the video course thread won’t even start a single video. For every email and customer I handle I subtract a few minutes and in trickles to at least an hour and a half of learning. Wineberg is happy, because his employee is always alert not because he loves his job but because there is a goal to make moves under his watchful eye.
>>7796009Let's see your work.
>>7796049why
>>7796053To see the results of the serious, structured practice you are supposedly getting out of 10 minutes an hour.Just a quick study will do.
>>7796060I never said>serious, structured practice you did. I basically said small increments adds up in a response to balancing work with art.
>>7796069Right, well, you did claim to have accrued hours of learning while on the clock. Let's see the results.Doesn't have to be a finished piece, just a drawing made during those 10 minutes.
>>7796072what’s the point of posting course notes? why would I lie about this, anon?
>>7796079So you didn't make any drawings while on the clock? You said right here you made drawings >>7795935 .
>>7796099I did, yes. Why are you so close up to my face? It’s embarrassing.
>>7790817I kind of admire people who just doodle as a hobby and don’t have any aspirations for it. I take everything I do psychotically seriously, so it’s kind of nice to just watch people who actually know how to enjoy life.
>>7796131Okay. Post the drawings. I'm not going to shit on you or anything.
>>7790817>work 6am-2pm>get anywhere from 2 to 3 hours drawing a shift>draw for a few hours at home
>>7790817Nah, I’m pretty happy with my current skill level. Never had to make a conscious effort to get good, let alone make it “the sole, highest purpose of my existence”
>>7790817>he cant use art as a side hustle for his real passionskill issue
>>7796447>On 29 May 1606, Caravaggio killed a young man, possibly unintentionally, resulting in his fleeing Rome with a death sentence hanging over him. Ranuccio Tomassoni was a gangster from a wealthy family. The two had argued many times, often ending in blows. The circumstances are unclear, whether a brawl or a duel with swords at Campo Marzio, but the killing may have been unintentional.>Many rumours circulated at the time as to the cause of the fight. Several contemporary avvisi referred to a quarrel over a gambling debt and a pallacorda game, a sort of tennis, and this explanation has become established in the popular imagination.[43] Other rumours, however, claimed that the duel stemmed from jealousy over Fillide Melandroni, a well-known Roman prostitute who had modeled for him in several important paintings; Tomassoni was her pimp. According to such rumours, Caravaggio castrated Tomassoni with his sword before deliberately killing him, with other versions claiming that Tomassoni's death had been caused accidentally during the castration. The duel may have had a political dimension, as Tomassoni's family was notoriously pro-Spanish, whereas Caravaggio was a client of the French ambassador.>Caravaggio's patrons had hitherto been able to shield him from any serious consequences of his frequent duels and brawling, but Tomassoni's wealthy family was outraged by his death and demanded justice. Caravaggio's patrons were unable to protect him. Caravaggio was sentenced to beheading for murder, and an open bounty was decreed, enabling anyone who recognized him to carry out the sentence legally. >Caravaggio's paintings began, obsessively, to depict severed heads, often his own, at this time.
>>7796502Hunted down and killed in the streets like a dog, all because you can't stop getting in drunken street brawls with gangsters.I can't think of a single Japanese or Chinese artists with a similar backstory.
>>7796513Pretty wild that artists could kill people over the prostitute they had posing for them back then but nowadays your life gets wrecked and you kill yourself if you talk autistic to a legal adult on Instagram like Ed Piskor did.
I might have a chance to leave my job next year January if a certain circumstance falls through. But it’ll be the last chance in my life I’ll ever have neet hours to do any kind of art thing without worries so I’ll make sure I limit this god forsaken website to the absolute bare minimum
>>7790817I own a home and have no student, car, or credit card debt thanks to my job.I still have plenty of time to draw and bow I can draw for others without needing to take comms. I'm enjoying art a ton
>>7790817Isn't drawing on the side also passion?You're not drawing because you need to, but because you want to, there's no other reason for it since you have a job already
>>7790937Thats what Im doing and its honestly ok.Doing an IT apprentiship, that should lead to a full time job. (The previous interns all got cushy jobs, and they love me, I get all the work done in a few hours, and help out other teams). I get 3 hours at home to "Study", but I usually take 5, and I leave an hour early everyday. Nobody seems to care, its a gov job, and everybody seems to take advantage of it. Works easy af, (most of my coworkers can barely use a computer, other than the other IT guys), and the IT guys get 2 WFH days. So if i get a job here next year, its 2 WFH days, where I can do an hour of 2 of work, and then only 3 days of work, and the pays pretty good.I could basically work comics parttime, which'd be great, im already getting a good amount of art done a week. Just gotta make sure i get the job, but again, they've had no complaints, and I dont make mistakes in work. The only threat is if they literally dont have enough work to justify hiring me, although, gov departments are wasteful
>>7791604heh
>>7796447>>7796502>>7796513>>7796585Imagine if twitter artists today went around doing this. You've seen the things they say and how serious they are about politics, society has saved us from these unhinged lunatic artists.
drawing is the only thing I do and yet I still have no time to draw. If I have 8 hours free, that's really only 4 hours of drawing, which can only produce 2 drawings in total. Since if I draw for an hour or two, I have to stop and take a break for an equal amount of time. Drawing takes so much time before and after the actual act of it, like mental preparation and cooldown.
>>7790817This must be some sorta joke imagine being a primary school dropout.
>>7796001high iq doesn't make you good at drawing
>>7803046Cope.
>>7796513>Hunted down and killed in the streets like a dogno, they never caught him, he died of illness while traveling
>>7803051it doesn't, there are lots of high iq people who don't have any aesthetic sense or manual dexterity whatsoever, like steven fry for example
