where did everything go wrong?
>>7791271The roman paintings aren't even all that good of examples of the artistic skills of the romans, their sculpture is far better.But to answer your question, it was the Christians. Shortly after they gained power they banned all figurative art, deeming it to be idolatry. This effectively destroyed the entire art industry of Rome, and even though the ban only lasted a short while, the damage was already done. It took over 1000 years for people to learn how to draw again.
>>7791271idk, the plague kinda fucked everything up
we died 5 years ago
>>7791334nah i didnt
>>7791271The Roman Empire turned into what could be equated as the ancient world's globohomo, and rightfully got their shit kicked in by a bunch of barbarians who wanted to be left alone.
>>7791322That's like blaming Covid-19 for the Spanish Inquisition
>>7791335how would you even know
>>7791357i just know
>>7791358prove it
>>7791360im alive
>>7791305Kind of what happened in the 20th century in the sense that art schools stopped entirely being about building drawing and painting skills.
>>7791355not him, but the plague of Justinian culled the population>The mortality rate is uncertain and remains heavily debated. Some modern scholars believe that the plague killed up to 5,000 people per day in Constantinople at the peak of the pandemic.[34] According to one view, the initial plague ultimately killed perhaps 40% of the city's inhabitants and caused the deaths of up to a quarter of the human population of the Eastern Mediterranean.[50] Frequent subsequent waves of the plague continued to strike throughout the 6th, 7th and 8th centuries
>>7791305>christians banned art shortly after taking powerNot at all what happened.
>>7791305Childhood is eternally whining about how every society persecuted artists who pushed certain envelopes. Adulthood is realizing the patriarchs were correct about certain uncomfortable truth(nvke)s
Dark Ages art have its own charm for me. It's proof that the White man will rediscover Art over and over. Proving their superiority of the human race.
>>7791651Then what happened
>>7791402prove it
>>7791701A series of like 10 plagues killed half the Mediterranean, to the point some historians attribute the end of slavery to it, as all supply chains and industries collapsed
>>7791355comparing covid to the plague is retarded, and your comparison is nonsensical.>>7791474this + the black plague and similar plagues like it deleted in excess of a third of europe's population every couple hundred years, setting back science and arts every time through knowledge and resource destruction. comparing plagues to covid where the survival rate was upwards of 99% in some countries is comically stupid
>>7791271>soulless vs sovl
>>7791305Why do religionfags love to shit things up?
>uhh it was muh christians>le religion is le dumb>le medieval art bad lol look at this funny horseCan we stop with this fucking retarded reddit-tier nonsense? This is the same shit as the "christian dark ages" graph from years ago.If you knew anything, you'd know the trends that evolved into medieval art began CENTURIES before. Already in the third century one can see the less figurative trends start that eventually took over. Guess what happened after western rome fell? The western world got taken over by a culture that did not have any great figurative art tradition. The ancient germanics were, due to their society, quite uncapable of supporting the great workshops like those of the classical mediterranean.It wasn't christians. At all. They had been making art in the roman tradition since they were present in rome. Like no shit?Yes there was an iconoclastic controversy that took place in byzantium AFTER these trends had been established. And guess what? They've been a heresy ever since.Art of the early middle ages and migration period follows much in the tradition of the gothic tribes. Primarily decorative.Also, why are we comparing encaustic portraits to manuscript illumination?An art that was virtually unheard of to the romans except in the latter years of the western empire, medieval illumination blows any roman illumination out of the water. The high medieval era also surpassed the romans in architecture, imo.And also by that period, western christians were beginning to re-discover the great sculpural tradition.Go back to fucking reddit you miserable buffoons.
>>7791271I remember a lecture in art history about how the decline of art reflected the decline of society.
>>7791658Sounds like you just grew up and started licking boots for fun
For one left is encaustic painting done in 2 foot wood panel, the right is 3 inch illustrations done in vegetable dye on manuscript paper.
I'm surprised nobody started sperging out over how the guys on the left don't look like germanic aryan nordic gods or whateverThere's always a /pol/nig that starts chimping out over that.
>>7796248They're Egyptian.
>>7791722I think therefore I am
>>7791651>half a RomeAnd this was art for emperor and highest level of government.Now compared it next to the full might of the empire found in some rich dude's house in pompeii. The christianity fall was insane.
>>7791305>But to answer your question, it was the Christians. Shortly after they gained power they banned all figurative art, deeming it to be idolatry.anon is a retard. The competent artists and craftsman needed to craft these sorts of works (classical greek sculptures) were long gone by the 3rd century. Even with the loss of the skills of classical sculpting Busts and others were still created under Christian emperors not to mention the numerous other mosaics that were created.
>>7791271They ran out of cognitive resolution
>>7791271a white man created the images on the left, a brown man created the images on the right
>>7791658you believe figurative art should be banned by the state? are you middle eastern?
>>7791658you cant be genuinely talking about "patriarchs" and retvrn to tradition bullshit and unironically use the term "truthnvke", what fucking unholy combination of 16yo algorithmic brainrot is this
>>7791661Greeks and Romans weren't white. It was only after centuries of subjugating white barbarians and raping them that the white admixture totalled their artistic skill. Whites couldn't draw until it was reintroduced by Arabs, and they certainly can't draw today.
>>7796815other way around
>>7796975SAAR
>>7791305Course to sculpt like this?
>>7791271When you consider that one is a small Mediaeval book, you'll understand that the skill is the same, only the treatment is different.
>>7796439The Justinian mosaic is far better artistically than the Alexander one>some rich dude's house>gens cassia>some rich dudenigger
>>7797629>meanwhile, subsurface scattering depicted in mosaicfucking sublime
>>7791271Art died when people stopped using hierarchical scaling
>>7797629>Justianian mosaic is betterKek they're over 500 years apart. But you didnt take that into consideration because you're probably a spawn of levantines shitskins >gen cassiaNot the actual owners of the estate retard.Reminders the Eastern empire is refered to as the Byzantines and not Romans in the western cannon. They're a collection levantine shitskins larping as Rome. The real Romans, its workers, builders, artists and thinkers, never left. They whethered storm and help rebuild and surpass Rome within a few centuries. Even in her weakest moments Rome is still superior than anything the shitskins could do at their best.kys shitskin faggot
>>7798270>they're over 500 years apartOkay? I didn't pick the works, you're the one who made the comparison, not my problem the later work is more capable. Seriously, if you think that transition from the nose tip into shadow and down the nasolabial fold is anything short of fantastic, you're a dumb nigger, frankly.
>>7798270They're referred to as Byzantines because g*rms decided to larp as the civilization they destroyed while beyond any doubt being infinitely more worthless in all aspects of society, not least of all artistic
>>7798270>Autistic screeching Your entire civilization larp as "WE WUZ GREEKS AND SHIEET" you amerinigger. Also>He thinks italians are these albino tier white yellow haired blue eyed people>t. least stupid amerilard
>>7798533>WE WUZ GREEKS AND SHIEETfucking this lel>greeks call non-greeks barbarians from the onomatopoeia of bar-bar, which is what they sound like to them>romans decide they wuz greek and redefine it to mean non-greek or roman>germanics destroy rome>decide they wuz romans>eastern roman empire doesn't count>orthodox christians? they're not western like us>oh uhhhhh except for greece, because romans are greek larpers, so they can't be eastern like the byzantines>which were greek
>>7791271It's not that they couldn't do it, but that they chose not to do it, and soon what seemed like the latest fad becomes standard that later on will become old fashioned
>>7792361The Catholic Church killed thousands of female scientists during the Dark Ages because they thought they were witches. Do you have any idea how much progress we lost?
>>7791271The sacking of Rome. Roman population fell from over a million to 30,000. Germs and Celts couldn't draw. Nobody could afford private tutors to preserve ancient techniques anymore. Medieval guilds were much smaller than the state supported academics of the antiquity Rome. Monks were taught to read and write more than they were taught to draw, so their art were filled with symbolism rather than realism. It wasn't until the late medieval era the art academics were resurrected. Thanks to the explosion of population and food production, western economics got better, and more aristocrats commissioned expensive arts.
>>7803211Witch trials had existed since the mesopotamian era at least. In ancient Rome it was codified into law in 80 BC and sticked around until the christianization of europe. The christians were actually more lax towards witchery than the civilizations before them because they treated it as ineffectual. Only in the 15th-16th century witch hunt got codified into law again.
>>7791305The problem is that paintings don't last as long as sculptures, there aren't many examples out there to really compare. I am sure they made some sick ass paintings. Your timeline is wrong though, the skill got lost way before christians even existed.
>>7803211>female scientists lolbut no, seriously
>>7797632a sculpting atelier, which are even rarer than 2d ones. otherwise go to artschool for the facilities and learn on your own kek
>>7803211>females>progresslol lmao
>>7803211bro this is not even reddit or twitter shit this type of person should never post on this site the mods have curated this enviroment over the past decade
>>7797591All of Scott Eaton's courses.
>>7791305>Source
>>7791305>It was le Christians that Rome fellIt sure didn't help that Caesar undermined and broke the Republic and turned the whole thing into a top down Empire instead of a council of elders and statesmen, Rome overstretching said new empire and the barbarians constantly humping at the gates. The Christians weren't the main pillar of the fall of the Empire, or even their cultural decline internally, too much backstabbing and succession, corruption and other factors were enough even without the Christian influence. (Then there's claims that the lead in the aqueducts and pipes used in Rome may have slowly been poisoning the population too)>Meanwhile at the Sistine Chapel and pretty much all the prominent churches, the clergy paid for the very best artists to create religious murals, instead of nobility just hiring portrait artists to draw another selfie of themselves in a hunting or war sceneOne of the main reasons though, was the Medieval Age and the cluster fuck of constant warring kingdoms and plagues that happened after the fall of the Roman Empire (with their own issues) was kinda hard to paint anything decent or have a good guild or master/mentor when everyone was either dying, being besieged, or trying to survive. Then rise of the Holy Roman Empire to replace and stabilize certain regions. Then the Renaissance thereafter and some return to form of master/mentor/guild of artists.
>>7792361yeah, iconcolasim was an ongoing issue, i'd imagine the access to art and who had control over it along with the popularity of mosaics, could be contributing to it. but it's also true that we are only seeing surviving art, medieval art isn't bad, it's quite unique and symbolic.
>>7791271Ignore retards like >>7791305The Late Roman Empire was a time of decline even before the conversion to Christianity. Plagues, warfare, changing climate. With all the chaos leisure activates like good art would decline. From the 3rd-5th centuries we see a huge decline in the realism of the arts. Then in Late Antiquity (5th-8th century) you have the Justinian Plague, even more devastating wars, Magyars, Vikings, and the Muslim Expansions. And guess what the Muslims were huge iconoclastic and this actually caused a brief iconoclasm period in the Byzantine Empire. But by the High Middle Ages things were settling down and good art was starting to come back to Europe. Picrel is a Coptic painting from 500 AD. There were still good artist in the world, but non-stop instability didn't preserve many of them.>TLDR: Centuries of warfare, political instability, and death caused a decline in art
