Is there a reason to why every anime always uses watercolor instead of oils or acrylics for backgrounds?
>>7794852It's the most used because it's the cheapest medium, and because it's the most used it became what they know how to use the best.
>>7794861Is it?? I thought it was because oils look too grainy up close or something...like it would look to "paiterly" and break immersion
Watercolour is a cheap medium, but it has more benefits:- It dries fast, certainly faster than oil, and faster than thick acrylic. (Very thin acrylic kinda behaves like watercolour though and will dry pretty fast).- It's not waterproof. This means brushes, palettes and other surfaces are easy to clean, so you reduce wastage.- If it dries up, you can still use it by making it wet again.- It is a medium that can be opaque, but is also known for being translucent, so you can more easily work with layers and blend colours.Ultimately, I think watercolour is one of the most efficient media you can work in, so I can understand the attraction for animation backgrounds.
How do you even use watercolor/sakura poster color correctly, I was just dipping a paintbrush in water then in the paint and made some stuff that looks better than when I was a kid atleast. I was never able to get a good solid color though, did 90s anime backgrounds use copics or something for solid background colors then put paint over it?
>>7794874Oils are expensive and take forever to dry.
>>7794989And yes I'm aware that pic looks like it was done with cels and acrylic but I don't know about the orange base
>>7794989Wet the area you want your solid color on first and then apply your paint with even strokes on top.
>>7794852because poster paint is matte and photographs better while paints like acrylic or oil have a shiny surface which messes with the scanningthat's it
>>7794852all animation is imitating european picture books which were often watercolor
>>7794852Kazuo Oga (Ghibli) primarily uses gouache, not watercolors.https://youtu.be/BWWALLasH84
>>7794852>>7795199And here's an actual demo by Kazuo Oga himself.https://youtu.be/FTZhMGMe3SU
>>7795199same thing... gouache is watercolor... it's just opaquethe key factor is that they're paints which dry matte
That's poster paint
>>7794921Are watercolors and watercolor paper cheap in Japan?
>>7795253>it's just opaqueMy point exactly, and also why it's not called watercolor. You can dilute it as much as you want and apply it as watercolors, but you can't use watercolors as you would use opaque gouache.There's a reason they aren't called the same, although they are similar techniques.tl;dr Gouache is a much less punishing medium that allows more mistakes than watercolors.
>>7794852cheap medium, dries fastwhich is very important for the tight budgets and deadlines anime hasneedless to say, there's a reason why they embraced digital so fast
>>7794852because oils are about 100 times slower and glossy as opposed to matte
>>7795000>>7794921>>7794861Artist grade gouache and watercolors are more expensive than artist grade oil.They're not using artist grade materials, they're using poster paint, which is gouache using the brightest, most fugitive pigment in order to be cheap.EG cadmium red WN oil is $23 for 37ml whereas gouache is $19 for 14ml and watercolor is $20 for 14ml
>>7795253No it isn't and you dumb niggers need to stop repeating this. Try painting with one using the others' technique, it will look like shit. That's like saying tempera grassa is oil paint.
>>7795153oh there is the non-chatgpt answer thanks>>7795199>>7795211Thanks this is exactly what i was looking for. Might change to guache, i just can't with watercolor
>>7795519japanese traditional animation era poster color is not strictly speaking gouache afaik, it's some gansai type thing using dextrin as binder because it's cheapdextrin is thyxotropic and a natural opacifier and acts quite differently from gum arabicpeople who like gouache tend to hate dextrin
>>7794852most anime use digipaint now lol and then gouche
>>7795519That was the #1 reason why gouache was so big in illustration in the XX century, because these illustrations would have to be photographed for serial reproduction in magazines and prints and a matte finish works better for that. Movie backdrops were also made in gouache for the same reason. This was the same reason why comics went through inking as well, because unlike pencil the linework would show up clean in mass printing.
>>7795486>Artist grade gouache and watercolors are more expensive than artist grade oil.In Japan?That doesn’t sound right. Just from comparing Holbein prices.
>>7794852I thought they used gouacheIn any case it's because its cheap matte and flat and dries very quick for fast turnaroundIt's very difficult to photograph non-matte mediums like oil and acrylic tend to be. They're also messier and more of a bitch to clean up.
>>7797193Holbein's "watercolor" is gansai, it's watercolor in the same sense that Acryla Gouache is "gouache"
>>7797470That’s BS and you know it.
>>7797476What are you arguing, that gansai is watercolor, or that they're not producing gansai?
>>7797490Oh, I know you. Not gonna respond further.For everyone else, he’s just spouting BS. You can easily check prices of Holbein’s watercolor vs gouache vs oil on amazon.co.jp. More proof that you shouldn’t listened to larpers on /ic/. They either believe their lies, or give wrong info on purpose.>>7797470>>7797490FUCK YOU, EAT SHIT.
>>7797513meds
>>7797513>no argumentThere's a reason that even when Holbein palettes were a must for any watercolorist, none of them used their paint. Seethe more, weeb.
>>7797470Holbein is a europeon style watercolor so it uses gum arabic not animal glue like gansai but they probably use dextrin, not as a binder but as a filler
>>7797560Holbein sells both types. You’re just as much of a larper as he is >>7797490./ic/ is dead.
>>7797699Where's the Holbein watercolor 'gansai' type then?
Not a watercolorist, but what’s the diff between gansai and regular ol’ watercolors?
>>7797762traditional gansai is kinda like those shitty dollar store watercolors they give you in elementary school art class - chalky, streaky, not flowing like watercolor, sits on top of paperin japan, european style watercolor basically means transparent watercolor, in fact that was the old distinction holbein made before marketing came up with european stylecontrary to what some think, gum arabic isn't european style, gums of all kinds are used in asian watercolors, including gansaiasian watercolors generally have a heavy glycerin or similar base, sugars, animal glue or what have you because it holds more pigment than gum arabic, which is why korean and japanese watercolors are very bright and chromatic but not popularold holland watercolor is actually a chinese recipe and shares asian characteristics - low flow, lifts easily and extreme pigment densitylastly, all manufacturers lie constantly, there is literally zero chance some of the pigments holbein offers are at all workable in gum arabic without additivesspeaking of lying and gansai, kuretake had a bit of a minor scandal a few years ago because they were labeling it as vegan and then "found out some ingredients weren't vegan" when pressed
>>7797864What’s ホルベイン 新顔彩 then?
>>7800357It’s under 固形水彩総合カタログ on their website catalog: https://www.holbein.co.jp/product/catalogNot much info.
>>7800357also gum arabic based, less transparent, less chromatic
>>7794852Most used gouache and poster paint.
