Whats the point of learning trad, when theres so many shortcuts you can take with digital?https://x.com/khyleri/status/1990465340317577681Dont wanna seem jealous or vindictive, but alot of people online (not picrel artist) seem to just learn the basic fundamentals and then use all these tricks to make great art and webcomics. Sorta demoralizing when im trying to learn everything, and then if I mess up a single drop, or brush, then the works ruined. Im learning digital now, and its honestly so much easier, when you have a good grasp of the fundamentals
>>7797235do I have to remind youjust ignore the losers here at take the opportunity with AI tools
>>7797235I learn art to improve my imagination/visualization and conceptualization skills. There is a special, intimate pleasure in mastering ones mind. I never reference. To each their own though, my output would most likely be better in the eyes of others if i always referenced/photobashed/traced AI, but it'd be too depressing and pointless to draw to me personally if I did so. It being easy is precisely the opposite of the point.
>>7797244Your filled with unbridled human spirit
>>7797235I like making stuff with my hands. Simple as.
>>7797242>ai generated over a sketch for this one! (and even then it's a hassle to make it look right lol)I can see the future
I paint in oils for trading card games, but do digital for other projects. Traditional art can be attractive because it physically looks like more work and thought was put into something to casual viewers. If done stylistically it can look “classic”. I love both mediums but digital has a ton of shortcuts. It’s good and bad, just don’t let the tools become a crutch because your skills will suffer down the road
>>7797235trad is more interesting precisely because of its limitationsyou can still use digital to create a bunch of ideas cheaply and iterate on them before commiting to a trad piece (but then again, you could do the same with small thumbnails / sketches in trad)
>>7797242letting AI improve or finish your idea is like letting another guy fuck your gf.Yes, you're getting NTR'd, you're getting cucked.
>>7797242Khyleri doesnt use AI he uses 3d and photos. There's a big difference between that and AI, retard
>>7797235Making things look good from 3d dolls is difficult, and even when you do, it often ends up looking stiffer than if it were drawn by someone who has a strong understanding of gesture and anatomy. It's also more restrictive, you can't go too off-model without enough construction knowledge.It's another crutch you will grow reliant on if you abuse. Also fuck Khyle and his shit humor.
>>7797312AIniggers don't have the cognitive resolution to understand the difference. You need to have a really low cognitive resolution to enjoy AI to be honest.
>>7797235this was his art in 2021, seems like digital artists that are competent seem to actually had to power through traditional drawing for some time. IDKmight not be for everybody
>>7797417trad (especially ink) is OP for learning, it really puts you in the right mindset for studies
>>7797235>"There is no instrument more direct than a pencil and paper for the expression of ideas. Everything else that interferes with that direct relationship with the eyes, the mind, the arm and the hand causes a loss of fidelity.... I like the idea that this ultimate reductive simplicity is the way to elicit the most extraordinary functions of the brain." —Milton GlaserHe was a more of a graphic designer than an artist/illustrator, but I find this to be a true statement.
>>7797242>>7797312>>7797235convince me using AI is somehow worse than tracing.
>>7797437That's so deep man, were they like a poet or something?
>>7797235>Whats the point of learning trad, when theres so many shortcuts you can take with digital?Sounds like your don't want to git gud>Sorta demoralizing when im trying to learn everything, and then if I mess up a single drop, or brush, then the works ruined. bruh that isn't even true of watercolorsOnly transparent acrylic inks used like watercolor are that unforgiving>>7797244This guy gets it>>7797468silence, cuck
>>7797468you can control what you trace
if you're trying to learn, why do you care what slop sellers are doing?Your own progress isn't tied to what some e-celebrity farming numbers and selling porn to kiddies on Xitter is doing.Go draw.
>>7797516weak image
>current popular anime girl, but in a completely random situation that doesn't even have anything to do with her character>the joke is that its mildly offensiveIronic weebs really eat that shit up, don't they?
>>7797516wow anon grrrrr this make a me so mad grrrr your so epic and witty grrrrlook how angry i amwhat an epic baitgrrrrrplease stop posting ragebait 24/7 i cant stop seethinggrrrrr (i am mad)
>>7797235so you think no shortcuts exist with trad?
>>7797235The feeling of pencil/pen on paper is really nice.
>>7797468Using AI isn't objectively worse than tracing, but AI in its current state can't produce anything as correct as proper references such as 3D models and photos.
I use 3d models a lot but I don't trace themis that bad
>>7797654That's factually wrong.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdRXjSLQ3xIAnd this video is from two years ago.
>>7797468>worse than tracingTracing is not bad by itself. Required context. Tracing for practice? Okay. Tracing over your own 3d models? Okay. Tracing over copyrighted material or art works made by other people? Bad! Tracing AI? Current sentiment is that it's bad
>>7797662Your cognitive resolution must be garbage if you think this is a proper reference.
>>7797468Tracing somebody else's art is no better than using AI, unless the art in question was distributed as stock with the intention of being traced or otherwise repurposed.Tracing a 3D model which was made to be used for artists is morally fine, since that was the very intention behind the model. This should be obvious. From an artistic standpoint, though, yeah, it is lazy and could be considered "cheating" when making what is purportedly a 2D illustration. But again, nothing is morally wrong about it, just like there is nothing morally wrong about tracing over your own photos, or as mentioned above, art or photos intentionally distributed as modifiable/reusable stock.If AI model bases were originally created using only stock and things produced by those making the model, then it would be fine to use, but they weren't.
>>7797235You should master both and use them to full potential. I managed to make traditional painting part of my "brand", and I get commissioned for paintings, which feel a lot more real to clients and have extra value for so. Also the look of traditional can never be fully imitated by digital, because digital repeats textures and "guesses" pressure, when each stroke is completely unique in trad.I use digital for my comic and for concept art work because it's undeniably a lot more efficient!
>>7797662nigger what are those writings on the billboards? ai can’t even copy text correctly.
>>7797657No, it isn't, and is certainly a better use of them than tracing.
Some fern kino
>>7797468You're at least drawing when you trace.
>>7797242I tried with random screencap to pose as op meme, yeh it worksnot meaning to troll anything more than op, was just curious to try
>>7797516hehe cannibalized piss yellow
Repeat after me: “3D models do not replace the effort of learning to draw; they are merely tools that provide precision.”
>one of the better threads on /ic/ and it's shilling for tracing and AI. Pathetic
>>7797235Why not use AI slop?
>>7797845it's for trannies that pretend to be artists, not for artists
>>7797235where's the 3d model? no modelthat dumb Filipino bitch thinks he's good at humor
Professional artists use 3D models all the time
>>7797516how are they still unable to unpiss the gens lmao it's literally just one slider in photoshop
>>7797235What is it about khyleri that makes him so insufferable? People have been ragebaiting with his art and tweets here for years now
>>7797906>nsfw patreon farmer>exclusively draws anime fotm>awful edgelord wannabe "humor">extremely popular because of it (it works because it caters to masses of fringe redditors who feel naughty for laughing at 9/11 jokes)>actually decent enough to beat most of /ic/ technically>definitely makes more money than anyone on /ic/>filipino 3rd worlderThere are so many infuriating angles you can use with this guy that hes guaranteed to get under peoples skin no matter what. He is the protean bait, the guaranteed (you) in the flesh.
>>7797235You understand that he's only using 3D to put down the markers right? Tracing directly from the model is what a retard does.
>>7798183>t. khyleri
>>7797845Why no kill yourself?
>watch timelapse>starts with the sketch already done and traced>liquify>liquify>ctrlz>ctrlz>liquify>liquify>ctrlz>moving lines with select tool into the correct proportion>liquify>liquify
>>7797937It's crazy to me how much power being "decent" at anime girls holds over this board.
>>7798199>brown and seeing liquify where there isn't any.
>>7798217I think it's the making 500k usd a year
>>7798257why do people say this. I've seen numbers ranging from 500k usd to unironically 1 million a year. Guy probably makes really good money.
>>7798260this thread died years ago. It's full of seethers and constant whiners and nodraws that seethe at bigger/popular/more skilled artists nonstop. They'll claim top artists are making 5 million dollars a year, but at the same time the other half literally idolize random who artist.
>>7798260It's public info. His patreon has 9500 members, his only tier is $5. I think he had more that 9500 at some point but as it is right now it's around 50k usd a month. I don't know how high patreon's fee is, but he makes at least 500k a year.
>>7798294and this makes you seethe because....?
>>7798257reminder that saudi princes make 500 million a year and all they do is hang out at their mansions, fuck white models, drive around in their lamborghinis, and pay american celebrities to dance and sing for thembut yes lets be jelly of some retard who draws memes
>>7798304It doesn't and I actually like his art and think too many posters ignore the actually draw well part is part of making money too, I'm just saying he makes 500k -> people will seethe at him.
>>7798306A saudi prince is too far removed from normalcy. 500 mils is too astronomical to wrap your head around, too unreachable. The ironic horror of the likes of Khyle is that it feels close enough that it could have been (you) living the dreams like this. But no, it had to be that annoying edgy SEAfag instead. It hurts more because it's so close.
>>7798306fuck, you're right screw art, I'm gonna be a saudi prince instead
>>7798306"all they do" is provide value and jobs with their investments, like all billionaires :)
>>7797731Huh, I guess AI just works. I don't know if a human could do any better than that.
>>7798488oh its another cuck making 50k who probably thinks tax cuts for the billionaires is worth the cum guzzling
>>7798504so it really is the end of drawn animation after all. Didnt expect it this soon desu and i kinda hate the fact that i probably wont enjoy it as much anymore
>>7797937>guaranteed (you)si don't care about this guy but you fags keep spamming it so much that there is literally nothing else to talk aboutWhen everything is bait, nothing is
>>7798488wtf I love hereditary nobility providing me with a field to toil in to pay them taxes now
>>7797235>Whats the point of learning trad, when theres so many shortcuts you can take with digital?>Im learning digital now, and its honestly so much easier, when you have a good grasp of the fundamentalsYou kind of answer the question yourself there.Even in your picrel, the artist says they have to fix a lot of things up from their 3D model trace - something that'd likely be a lot more difficult without the fundies we all learn.Don't be afraid to use these shortcuts, such as 3D models, but you won't be able to use them to their full potential if your skills are lacking - at that point they're less of a shortcut, and more of a crutch.
>>7798504>>7798531free grok to do it, not even a specialized tool trained on the characterIMO, not the end of hand drawn high-value animations, sakugas action scenes, expressions etc, prices will put people to do more cool stuff insteadBut all the menial stuff like moving hairs or clothing, slight turns, small common actions? it's simply superhuman, yeah, it does it better even without a specialized tool, for free, and no hard skills to prompt to solve such tasks, the Sekiro anime seems to do thisstudy traditionally and professionally cheat like motherfuckers (within the law), anything else is sabotage lads, your competitors don't care about you, take care
>>7797468I dislike both, but tracing at least you are kind of picking up a little of what you are doing, like a hyper-neutered version of a master study. You at least are kind of building up a skill in a really indirect half-baked way. The trace-fag may not understand the underpinnings of what they are doing, form, how light wraps around form, etc, but they are just scratching and learning the tip of the iceberg versus AI is just a fucking text prompt into a digital machine.
>>7798306>Owns oil reservesYou're not wrong, but you're leaving out a fact or two.
>>7797235You don't have to it's about if you want to try your stich on manga drawing then you need to know how to do it fast and out of your head.
>>7797235Also some anime prods use 3d models to make scenes look more correct too like Bocchi did during band performances. It's okay to use this if you want be really technical.
that artist has to be baiting. The whole point of the trend is to draw from imagination like...
>>7797280Hell yeah. Simple as.
>>7797242It's ironic how you bugmen always portray yourselves as the winners and the artists as losers. I'm not sure that rhetoric is serving you too well considering the near universal disdain directed towards you people. You're on an art board trying to convince artists to stop creating and become scammers and plagiarists. To become part of and to accept the midwit technerd collective. Your kind will never be our equals. As such your influence here is of no significance. Much like yourself. Insignificant. A fart in the wind.
https://x.com/websake/status/1991285954535891233?s=46&t=DaroQ-KND0SSTIj-2v_G_gDigital artist dont even crosshatch themselves
>>7797235i read your post and my first thoughts in my brain where "you are gay and small and insignificant and you will never understand or make it unless you change your entire mindset" i wish you the best please pick a new hobby
>7797242More offended at the ESL than the AI generation to be honest
>>77974682d Animation is difficult without tracing some aspects from the previous frame
>>7799398The tragedy of this post is that they'll still post here anyway
>>7798880>that artist has to be baitingHe's a master at it actually
>>7798189DELETE THIS
>>7797235People who know how to do everything from scratch will always have more creative freedom than people who rely on digital tricks.>>7797242sovl vs sovlless
>>7797235Setting up 3D models to trace is just trad with extra steps.
>>7797235>hard angle to draw>umm actually I traced a 3d model!>all replies are praising himhuh
>>7797468Nigger you do not draw.
>>7797235I didnt take any shortcuts and my base skill set mogs yours. Just remember /ic/: cheaters never win and people can always tell
>>7797244>I never reference.But you have to to draw anything, you can't just draw stuff without observing them and understanding them
>>7797937Its almost admirable and comical how much he's designed to piss /ic/ off
>>7798454there's literally nothing stopping you from doing what he does
>>7800759theres literally nothing stopping you from deflecting the bullet headed for your skull. See how stupid that sounds?
It’s extremely easy to tell if someone is tracing 3D because anime style can never be perfectly represented in 3D
>>7799398retard it's done on purpose, it's like the niggered shit, it's an effort to drive you off the board because everything you see is annoying and grating. and mods are useless cockgobbling faggots so this effort was successful and 4chan is just shit now. unironically find a discord or something, this place is dead
>>7799398>A fart in the wind.you mean a poo in the loo
>>7797244spbponly shit smelling jeets wouldn't understand
>>7797235>drawing over something or even outright tracing is digital only People have been tracing shit and inventing devices which allowed them to trace reality since long before even cameras existed
