Ixy's whole course is basically just tracing and use reference. Really that's all you need to make it?
>>7811522Do you think if you showed a Renaissance artist DesignDoll or whatever they'd be like "Milord, I mustn't! 'Twould be mendacious to avail myself of such a tool!" or would they be like "You're telling me you could have used this the whole time and you didn't out of a sense of superiority? What are you, retarded?"
>>7811536Yeah and even they used referene didn't they?
>>7811547yes
>>7811547They used light trickery to cast images on the walls
NO.What you need is to learn: anatomy, perspective, symmetry, composition, color theory, and shading so that you can then use 3D models to streamline your workflow.
Weird that people pathologize three dimensional art when we literally live in a three dimensional plane of existence, and all two dimensional art ultimately derives from three dimensional things. You know what they say, "learn the rules before you break them", so you better go buy yourself a hunk of clay before you even THINK about drawing. You wouldn't draw cartoons before you learn realism, right? So don't throw out that third dimension when you don't even know how it works.
>>7811899>>7811920What if you are actually not a beg as you assume for some reason? And jist an int that wants to streamline their process ?
>>7811522Yes>>7811899Why?
>>7811522Pretty much. Nowadays it's even easier with AI as you can feed it a rough sketch and it will spit out a fully posed doll with lighting and and shade guides. Just don't trace, specially not the hair and clothes as it could give it away.
>>7811522>tracing >3d>referencing>bashing>copying>studying>aihow you get there doesn't matter. the only thing that matters to an artist is how selfish you are to get your desired result. >but it's cheatingno one cares
>>7811522If you want to set up figures with mostly accurate proportions and perspective, sure, but you'll still have to do the work to actually give them appeal, exaggeration, gesture, etc. Accuracy is not the end all be all of making a good drawing.
Link to course?
>>7811522Anybody can cheat their way like >>7811937 but thatdoesn't mean you'll become the next Ohisashiburi or YD.
>>7812030Call it whatever you want, no one cares about how its made except losers on this board. Majority of people only care about the end product
>>7811522Reference is superior to tracing because it slowly adds to your visual library until you barely even need to reference the thing anymore.3d tracing is useful and legit but still a crutch.
>>7812054I've yet to see anyone who cares only about the end product foregoing any sort of drawing or ethics and becoming a success.
>>7812109cool didnt ask
>>7812122dont be so butthurt
>>7812131Still better than typing up prompts in Ai
>>7812139im not sure why this point of "no one cares how its made" keeps being brought up. It's obvious to anyone, but on the flipside if someone can't even put in the effort to learn to draw then they're sure as hell not going to become one of the successes that can proudly state that point either. Its the biggest cope excuse for undetermined hacks that want to ride on the coattails of others for producing slop
>>7812142If genuinely believe posing 3D dolls is the same as generating Ai slop then there's really no point in discussing this further
>>7811522I use it, but also practice actual drawing and fundies because I want to impress actual artists besides feeding normies slop. Sure enough sketching the pose became easier and faster than setting up a 3D model. Backgrounds remain a 3D tracing thing and will always be though.
>>7812144>>7812149This is why nobody pays you retards even $5 on Fiverr. You deserve to starve and to get a real job.All you slop artists need to go back in the 80s to either starve to death or have your hands cut off.
>>7812175cry some more, Africa really needs the water
>>7811536They would literally say the first one
>>7811536Michelangelo literally felt superior for not using oil paint because he deemed it so easy, it was only fit for women and the feebleminded. There was an entire split in italian art where one group disregarded "new and easy" technique as "mud"
Link?
>>7812196Hum achsually redditor appeared. If yiu want to play that game Michelangelo also hid his studies to make people think he had some kind of divine talent.
>>7811931you do what that anon advisedsome of the takes im seeing here feel like trollb8if you are a /beg/ you wont be able to make shit like >>7811937 even if you are tracing
>>7811522you're acting as if references and tracing are easy to understand and apply for a beginner, dunning kruger and all that, even seemingly simple things can become complex quickly when you put them under a microscope. go pencil/pen on paper, even if you do end up using lame tools like ai or photobashing knowing how to do pencil/pen on paper will help immensely. there is no silver bullet for all your art problems, people acting like there are dont understand the tools theyre shilling. get to work.
>>7811522Yes
>>7812109
>here's how you draw X>traces a model>then goes on about construction and fundamentals right after like we didn't just see them skip it allany human being on earth can see that's not really "drawing". If I asked you how to make an egg, and you order ane gg mcmuffin from mcdonalds I'm gonna say "no I meant make an egg on a pan". And if you use one of those gizmos that hold the egg in a perfect circle on the pan and helps you flip it easily, I'm still gonna look at you weird because you know what I meant.
>>7811536Kek>>7811547Pro artists always been cheaters, if they had 3D models back then you bet your ass they would use it all the time.In the 90s you had guys like Greg Land that would trace magazines, porn movies, other comics, posters, photos, etc he isn't the only one, just the most famous.
>>7812447>Miura room in 2019Watch Manben & Jump Ryu, and see plenty of manga artists use references.
>>7811522Post your face when (you) trace and it still looks like shit
>>7811522>ixy>tracingI assumed you were lying/crabbing, so I went to check... wow, this fucking hit me in the chest like a cinder block. I fucking looked up to this guy, especially for his ability to draw hands, but he just fucking openly, proudly traces 3D mannequins... this fucking sucks. I'm deleting my ixy folder. Into the trash it goes.
>>7812518
>>7812553furthermore, he's actually incredibly fucking shit at drawing. look at this shit, this looks like something from /asg/ or /beg/. I guess this is what tracing for 10 years gets you
>>7811522>artist who draws low effort moeslop traces from 3D modelsLOL. And I'm supposed to be mad at AIsloppers for what reason again?
>>7812556This is AFTER tracing? What on earth?
it is that easy to make bank drawing anime and you retards still complain about it being "too hard" baka my head
>>7812559By using electronic kike you will learn nothing at all with tracing you might get at least something in your hand.
If it’s so easy, if it’s soooooo easy, why the FUCK are you not doing it? And for the record, IXY can actually draw with and without the models. Check his instagram and you can see trad work. The one being fooled here is you and the Scamloso class.
>>7812592Who said it was that easy?
>>7812595>Really that's all you need to make it?
>>7812596You just need to move pieces around to play chess too
>>7812598Really? It’s that easy to play chess?
>>7812605You can even start having fun with it in a few weeks
>>7811522his coloso class is really bad. i can't believe he's ok with his name being attached to that.
>>7812607Fun? How can I be a pro if I’m having fun? It has to be difficult. I must feel pain to gain.
>>7812596Your autism is making over think it. It was just meant to be an eye catching title. As for his trademark work he could jist be referencing the 3d doll form his screen. same shit.
>>7812614>As for his trademark work he could jist be referencing the 3d doll form his screen. same shit.we are reaching cope levels beyond imaginable
>>7812616Sorry to inform you are not on Reddit.com. Go back.
>>7812618Yawn. The good old “you not from ‘round here” angle. That’s 3 to 1 on the scoreboard this week btw.
>>7812626Do you want to see pizza too today?
>>7812626I mean you are also objectively wrong the OP also said> “and use reference”But you conveniently ignored that part and called it “cope”. He is using 3d models Either traced or referenced
>>7812598You still need a decent amount of knowledge and experience to turn it into something that doesnt look like slop though.
>>7812553You can't be serious....A good amount of professionals trace over models or even reference images that doesn't make them frauds.
>>7812633No way!? I thought people made a living out of it from day 1
>>7812590Its already been proven that you are still passively learning when you are tracing.
>>7812636>hurr durr tracing is legit>frogposterI know you're trolling but do you consider a photocopy machine to be a legitimate way of drawing?
>>7812592Yes clearly ixy is a master, as evidence by this piece he considered good enough to include in his video course >>7812556
>>781265790% of people who bought or downloaded IXY’s class will not finish the class and therefore will not even see that “mistake” an autist off an image board pointed out. He thanks you for boosting Japanese economy, though. You see at the end of the day IXY is a pro and has a coloso class and nobody ITT does. If it’s so easy, we’d all have what he has. >>7812631Okay then copy the ref off your computer and let’s see the magic.
>>7812653I don't normally call ppl this, but you have to be legit retarded
What's the best software for 3d models?
>>7812669CSP has built in software for posing and modeling 3D assets.
>>7811522I've been tracing for 8 years now, been saying that other anons should trace too if they wanted instead of worrying what others think. No one ever had a problem with it but tumblr artists and teenagers with an inferiority complex
>>7812665Now You are moving the goalpost. You really are a redditor….and for teh record everyone does it, its called “using reference”
>>7812665Are you telling me what everyone and their mother used to say about making it as an artist was true? Oh Em Gee Color Me Shocked
>>7812677>I’ll attack his 4chan residency and call him a newfag redditorrr that’ll get himYou have lost this conversation. Bringing up “everyone uses reference” is just fluff in your post.
>>78126804 to zero
>>7812674I like to press my paper to my monitor like a caveman and check how close it is to the reference, then adjust accordingly, keep small differences here and there. Straight up tracing always comes off a bit stiff and boring imo.
>>7812680Bitch please. You lost it since you purposely ignored the op’s words>and use reference.I am just exposing you so you don’t get your redditor smugness delusions. You are objectively wrong. Accept it and move on
>>7812668You have no argument, that's why you have to resort to ad hominem. I won't be replying to your bait anymore
P>>7812680> everything is bluff and cope because I said so.You Redditors are so inssudersble.
>>7812665Those screencaps are from his "buy my course" preview video ya dumb fuck. Next
>>7812705>thinks he us smart for using the word “adhominem”>calls everything that proves him wrong “cope” and “fluff. That’s why I can, you a redditor,
Anons in this thread would still make shit art even if they did trace.
>>7812717So true bwo, everyone is at your skill level
>>7812710Whoa so are you saying you haven’t even completed 1% of the class? You ousted yourself as a bench warmer. You didn’t even have courage to download the class. That is pathetic yo.
>>7812736>>>plebbit You don't belong here """"yo""""
>>7812885
>>7811522The secret is practice regularly (better everyday) and never give upBe obsessive in getting better and in 3 to 5 years you'll see the results, in a nutshell: practice, don't give up, be obsessive and be patient. Most people try hard but they give up. If they kept drawing, they would see the results
it’s so sad this japanese lady has to find a job because her patreon bombed but the problem is she is treating her subscribers like children. Nobody wants bases to use for their art, why not just capitalize on what you’re really good at and make tutorials on that instead? Embrace the horny. A real shame she couldn’t see what she was doing wrong.
>>7812554I need you to trace all over me anon
>>7812928He is a male that made into the industry
>>7812970She pretends to be a man for some reason but her artsona lusts for women which makes me think she’s bisexual
>>7812981And she’s Japanese American just so you know
>>7812030YD traces?What the fuck
>>7812981>>7812970Are we talking about ixy? He showed up in naokinsaito stream. He is a make jaoanese dude
Ixy class is about social media and engagement. I also have no idea how he is able to use models and real life references like that despite following his methods, mine always look like fucking abominations.
>>7813308he just sees things differently. I’m not sure how practical his drawing tips are but, yes, the core of his class is about social media which could probably just be condensed into a single youtube video hence the scam part.
>>7813316>Social media illustrations & Anime cell shading>What the le fug this is a course about social media illustrations & Anime cell shading?Incredible.
>>7813321>Super Sparkle Dog Anime Render class that will wow your friends >nearly half the class is dedicated not to rendering >25% on how to breathe >finally, the remaining percent is how to rende…just kidding, we got to go over some theory first>1 chapter on what the course title was about>final chapter, blowjob of the creator and how to make it out therethanks for the $200
>>7813326I'm not sure what you were expecting a learn how to draw course? Why not search for a learn how to draw course instead? Dude just telling you how to be able to make drawings at a fast pace for social media engagement.
>>7813328>I'm not sure what you were expecting a learn how to draw course?>Why not search for a learn how to draw course instead?I'm having etornk
>>7813335i'm mentally challenged and still smarter than you, retard.
>>7813337Good for you, anon
No rules, just tools
>>7813326This.
>>7811522A shit ton of Coloso courses use 3D models, it's shattered my soul to see a lot of artist just use 3D models, it's like seeing how a magic trick is done.
>>7813308>t. never drew from observationNo shit Sherlock
>>7812559>I'm supposed to be mad at AIsloppers for what reason again?Did you see the crap they're outputting nowadays? Even a filthy trace do better.
>>7813477What was the left one called again? Something whale?
>>7813479DeepSeek
ok now give me the quick rundown on the good/useful parts of ixy's coursesurely it isn't just trace 3d to pump it out daily stuff?
>>7813485what do i look like, chat gpt?
>>7813485It literally is just that,
why did it take people this long to realize 99% of coloso courses are a ripoff?
>>7813576nobody actually tried any of them until now!!
>>7813576all courses are ripoffs. its the same with every industry, fitness, music, cooking, etc. all information related to your interests can be found for free on the internet. if someone cant market their product, they market their "skill," and if theyre successful at marketing their product, courses are just them selling out.
>>7813576I have been saying this for years,
>>7813576all courses are a scam.
>>7813576The sample sizes of courses became bigger
>>7813308you can't teach social media engagement. it's a lottery.
>>7813587>>7813657disingenuous
>still need to come up with the composition>still need to pose the model >still need to draw the face, the hair, the clothes, and everything else that isn't just the basic body>"NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE YOU USED A 3D MODEL TO BLOCK OUT YOUR IDEA"Like look at OP. All that's left in the final sketch that could possibly have been traced from a model, are the tiny bits of jaw and fingers visible, and the glasses.
>>7813856None of that is needed for 1 girl white void
>>7813576I disagree, I've actually gained a good amount of knowledge on the specific workflow each artists uses and for me that's worth it, yes they're overpriced but i wouldn't say overly for what you learn.
>>7815161Just because a scam gave yiu insight on how scamees work diesnt mean it s not a scam
>>7815199that's a false analogy unless you're saying that drawing itself is a scam? you're able to see what the course contains based on the outline they provide, you literally get what you pay for.
you are all gay and stupid3d used correctly is a toolwhen used incorrectly it's dogshitgo draw /thread/
>>7811522Kim Jung Gi has ruined a whole generation of artists and forced them to be into permabeg status.Yes, that has always been the case, people have always used references. Tracing has always been more "taboo" and frowned upon, but even artists like Norman Rockwell did it openly, so make of that what you will.However, this mentality of "I must never use reference, and simply go by imagination" is a Kim Jung Gi induced brainrot. There's morons out there who genuinely even think doing studies is cheating, because they think you must simply magically learn to draw from imagination, simply because an orange skinned, slanted eyed, bald, freak, who could perform what is equivalent to a circus trick, draw anything he wanted from imagination because he had already studied and drawn pretty much anything in existence thousands of times before.I'm glad that gook is dead, he deserved worse desu. He's the actual antichrist, and unironically what he has done to the art community is worse than the holocaust, or anything Hitler ever did.
>>7815299>orange skinned, slanted eyed, bald, freakCalm the fuck down, permabeg
>>7815374Wait then again it could just be the ability to pull from the images seen from the minds eye and notate it down. I just answered my own question
>>7815299atelierbro...
>>7815299you're a retarded faggot beg who calls people you'll never measure up to names for attention, kill yourself
>>7815299literal mental illness, your parents when they hear a gunshot from the basement, etc
>>7815299This. Thread/There’s a reason KGJ was famous. His trick was the exception not the norm
>>7815299Listen, you may have a point, but thats not the way of laying it down. If you have cut the second half of the post things would have been better.
>>7816019NTA. But this isn’t Reddit.
>>7816020Behaving like a sane human being and not sperging out is "Reddit"? Amazing.
>>7815299>Kim Jung GiWas open about that fact that he practiced anatomy and construction for over 20 years non stop to get to his level. It's not his fault that you, and every other failed artist brainlet though this art was equivalent to witchcraft because the saw a video of a guy "draw off the top of his head" with a brushpen.
>>7811522Ixy is also an AInigger by the way
3d is just a crutch and nothing else. If you're shit, you'll still end up with results like>>7811937>>7812556>>7812633Being happy with something like that means you've had shit, dull taste to begin with and will fail to gather interest in your art even if it looks "right". In fact, most of the visually interesting art comes from people who use no references whatsoever. Why waste time posing models or searching for a perfect reference if you can whip out a drawing from imagination which will have ten times more appeal and soul than any "perfectly" traced slop? If you can't draw a character in any pose using only a turnaround, you're just bad and need to learn construction, as well as expand your visual library. Interesting art >>> "correct" art
Do any anons have the course to share? Every link in the archive has expired.
>>7816244Pyw
>>7816244low IQ take
>>7816378Do you know where we are?>>7816409Rich coming from imaginationlet
>>7816696this is an art board faggot pyw
>>7816244pywNot because I disagree with you, but because you sound pretentious as fuck
>>7817118>Dumb fuck doesn't understand why pywing here is a bad ideaExplains why you can't address argument as it is.>>7817118>Not because I disagree with you,Then I have no reason to share my work. What the fuck is even your point? I don't care if whatever I said sounded pretentious. I shared my opinions on using 3d and why artists better off actually improving their skills instead of relying on shortcuts. I genuinely can't find anything pretentious in my post because that wasn't my intention.Even if I was a prebeg, it wouldn't make 3d model traces any less of a slop. My artstyle is far from anime anyway, so it makes it automatically bad for most of /ic/. It's a losing game.
>>7817118>>7817120pyw fags are always the weakest little chihuahuas
>So...the secret is to just use 3d models?Always have been
>>7817328>Dumb fuck doesn't understand why pywing here is a bad ideaThat's just your bitches ass, beg ass coping over noone taking your post seriously when they see your work. You're not important enough to stalked over bad takes on /ic/.
>>7811522You can't get that nifty line flow/variation, cute expression and clothes forms by tracing. He's a skilled but lazy faggot who just wants to cut time on making the initial rough that will be redrawn
>>7817466Youtube is unusable nowadays holy shit
>>7817466>>7817473Is it me or since when has norm youtube been openly racist? Like the Jake Pauls and the other really popular people you see on the front page without logging in, were they always casually dropping /pol/ takes or is it just a recent fad?
>>7817477Since people started calling everything unrelated to racism to be racist, it lost its meaning so no one cares anymore
>>7817480Including criticism of Israel? I was watching some dude go to a prison for fun and he was just being all antisemitic like it rolled off his tongue. Aren’t these people all under the same agency? It’s just strange.
>>7812559There are more AIsloppers that trace 100% of their "work" off aislop/stolenart than there are 3d tracefags.
>>7811522even if you trace 3d models, if you don't have understanding of anatomy, you don't actually understand what you are even tracing and will look wonky. It's same as tracing photos, many talentless comic artists did this during 2000s when fucking with opacity became possible widely even with personal computers. They didn't look right because they had no clue how bones and muscles are actually supposed to behave.Just look at this >>7811937 this looks absolutely shit but it seems this anon doesn't even seem to know what he fucked up>>7815299funnily enough, KJG was pro reference. It's just that he himself didn't need it. Richard Williams is the one who said using reference is cheating(he didn't understand others cannot do what he does without reference). Maybe he changed his mind on it when he got older because iirc, his last short animation he did before he died had whole actors and camera unit to film references.
>>78202292/10
