Why You Should Copy Anime:https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0.jpgNaoki Saito: https://youtu.be/8jsZGeaWkhE?si=6HZIvG9Bx3y9qoHs&t=12AnimeShijuku: https://twitter.com/animesijyuku/status/1717415459778347358Krenz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbKqIJcIUCw**Strive for quantity AND quality.**Anime Studying:>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.General Anime Style Discussion:>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**Recommended Resources:https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc/mmg/ - Manga Making General:>>>/ic/mmgPrevious Thread:>>7731937
I love art
I have spent the last year copying my favorite manga artist every day for at least an hour and it got me NOWHEREI'm starting to think this shit is genetic because I had no trouble picking up two other skills and a new language this year with far less effort and time dedicated to them My brain simply can't think visually, no amount of practice seems to change this at all, compared to the other skills where I saw gradual permanent milestones every couple of months
>>7815395you need to stop copying. you are just copying lines instead of learning any transferable knowledge. work out of imagination as a baseline and then see what you actually know. only then will you have a proper asessment of what you lack and a reason to your studies.
I will start copying anime style a lot and then try to sell an original anime style work to the Japanese. If I can get some Japanese people to buy it I will have succeeded.
>>7815420Oh I drew from imagination, from reference, studied fundies etc all on the side, I was just referring to the copying method itself not working in the slightest I can construct a drawing well enough with enough time and reference, but my baseline skill hasn't moved an inch, I can't imagine anything, I can't stylize anything myself, I have no inclination to create or casually draw, I can't sketch, I have no creative voice When I look at my favorite artists' casual sketches and their finished work, you can see they're the same thing just with more time put into details and rendering, whereas my sketches look like sloppy amateur shit and need hours of fixing and liquifying and references and canvas flipping and getting up to look at them from a different distance etc to be brought into something you could call tolerable I have no idea what I need to do to improve and it feels like I hit my ceiling
>>7815434>I have no idea what I need to do to improve and it feels like I hit my ceilingare you a tabletfag or what do you draw with
>>7815499Practice and sketching on paper, full drawings on a tablet
>>7815395This thing you are doing is actually two part thing. Firstly, you copy the 2D element, all the proportions in relation to the flat surface and canvas. But there is the 3D element. The form. Where you show understanding of the object as it is regardless if it's placed on canvas or not and it's place in perspective. Because you need to be aware of both, it's hard, because 2D dictates the composition, and the 3D with have authority over accuracy. And while your brain struggles with both, you need to make conscious choice how sharp or chunky each line should be to mimic depth. Art is mindful and requires knowledge.There is just sooo much information that needs to be remembered and if your observation is not picking it up all, you will struggle when it is time for recollection.
>>7815434>my sketches look like sloppy amateur shit and need hours of fixing and liquifying and references and canvas flipping and getting up to look at them from a different distance etc to be brought into something you could call tolerable Literally me
>>7815530I'd say my problem is more the opposite, I understand form and perspective well and can almost draw like 3D software does, soulless but technically accurate My issue is in stylization and ideas, once there are no objective rules to how something should look and it's up to me to make creative decisions, and I simply have nothing to refer to, no inner expression driving me Here's a drawing I copied yesterday (the real one looks better but I can't find it), and my attempt at redrawing it today from memory + hair, I'm satisfied with the anatomy and perspective but I completely lost the energetic shapes and punchy lines and turned it into something lifeless and generic
>>7815553It happened because you don't know the forms that represent the shapes that give it the punch. There is a method to show these more subtle shifts in elevation and direction and those these lines represent. You have no recollection, because you don't have the knowledge. The gap you are dealing with is simply far bigger than you can currently even comprehend. Stop worrying about it, it's all there waiting for you, all you need to do is remember to simplify, follow the rules and think review your works looking for mistakes and misconceptions.
>>7815588>It happened because you don't know the forms that represent the shapes that give it the punchI do, as evidenced by the fact I know all the features, just not how to make them punchy >The gap you are dealing with is simply far bigger than you can currently even comprehend. Stop worrying about it, it's all there waiting for you, all you need to do is remember to simplify, follow the rules and think review your works looking for mistakes and misconceptions.I've been drawing every day for 6 years now, what you say might apply to a complete newcomer to drawing, but if I haven't even started to make progress in the direction of style so far despite great effort, I doubt there's anything waiting for me in the future
>>7815304>I admittedly didn't finish it in one sitting, which is probably why the drawing got away from meIt's an interesting result. Some parts look a little better shape wise, but the way the proportions and connections got worse makes me wonder if you normally rely on intuition to draw the general silhouette.In a sense that would be a good thing as long as you can switch your focus when needed.If you felt drawing upside down helped you see more accurately you could do it more, or just draw normally and flip it only when you want a fresh perspective.>>7815607>I know all the features, just not how to make them punchyHow much time do you spend consuming art? As in, aside from what you are copying, how much do you look at and appreciate art you like, art you don't like? Analyzing what parts are appealing or not, and why?I ask because I'm like you in that I'm weak creatively and spend forever trying to make a useable sketch. And I think this>I completely lost the energetic shapes and punchy lines and turned it into something lifeless and genericis too vague. What shapes and lines are less energetic and punchy? Why? How do other artists than who you are copying do it?Analyzing things like appeal is difficult, but I think if you keep asking why and breaking things down into smaller parts eventually you end up with a few simple answers that can be used to build it back up into something comparable. I might be saying something similar to >>7815588 now.Likewise you could try drawing over someone else's art. If you change something and it suddenly looks bad, there is now a specific difference that you can try to break down why it looks worse.Those are my thoughts, I'm not at the point of worrying about style yet so it doesn't have any weight behind it, but of the artists I like I know exactly what parts of their style I want to steal down to the lines and shapes and colors AND precisely why I like it so I think at that point it's only a matter of technique.
>>7815607It seems to me the other problem with you is pride. There is no bounty waiting for you at any point in time.
>>7815337What kind of brush do most artists use to get these light, airy looking eyes?I've been using the G-pen for a long time, and it works well enough for everything but eyes it feels like. It's always way too thick and sharp for drawing eyes. And even artists that like to use bold and thick lines always use very whispy looking light brushes for the eyes.As far as I can tell it's some kind of semi-transparent brush or smudge tool, possibly clipped on top of a G-pen layer, but through my many experiments, I've still not really found out which brush they're using or how it's being applied.Anyone have any ideas? Been trying to catch a JP artist in the act of drawing eyes on stream but can't get lucky with it
>>7815639>How much time do you spend consuming art? As in, aside from what you are copying, how much do you look at and appreciate art you like, art you don't like? Analyzing what parts are appealing or not, and why?Usually 60-90 minutes every day in addition to the hour minimum of copying/studying >What shapes and lines are less energetic and punchy? Stuff like pic related>Why? How do other artists than who you are copying do it?I assumed it was intuition built up with practice, regular drawing wasn't building it up for me so I tried studying/copying for a year and that didn't work either, now I don't know how they do it and I'm leaning to "inborn inclination" >Likewise you could try drawing over someone else's art. If you change something and it suddenly looks bad, there is now a specific difference that you can try to break down why it looks worse.I started like that and I realized I was doing it mechanically, copying from reference makes me observe the shapes and energy better but none of it sticks >>7815644I meant in the way of art gains, there are some skills you just need to keep chipping away at until you get a breakthrough, it seems like drawing style or from imagination isn't one of those for me if a year of work resulted in nothing
>>7817275why do you post realistic portrait copies? That's a big red flag and shows a clear disconnect between your intent and learning strategy.
>>7817403What are you referring to exactly, the left drawing in >>7815553 is a stylized drawing by a japanese artist I copied, the right drawing is me trying to draw it from memory the day laterThe painting in >>7815607 is my old work that I posted to prove I know the forms and that my issue isn't a lack of fundies
>>7817275>Usually 60-90 minutes every day in addition to the hour minimum of copying/studyingThat's impressive, I guess that box is checked.>Stuff like pic relatedWithout the reference pic that doesn't tell me a lot. But you have specific parts and strong preferences about them so that box is checked too.>I assumed it was intuition built up with practiceThat's true, style seems to come about naturally as a result of the artists efforts and experiences. But I simply meant comparing artists to see the differences from the one you study.Stylization can only have so many variables, and there should be commonalities between different styles that you like. Those commonalities are "rules" that you can use when you are trying to do it yourself, and they are seed of the inner expression you think you lack.>copying from reference makes me observe the shapes and energy better but none of it sticksThat's strange. Generally if we can't do something it can only be a lack of comprehension or a lack of technical skill.You seem to have the skill, and you have done a year of copies which would develop muscle memory for the style, at the very least.You observe and analyze art at least an hour a day which is quite a lot, so you should be able to see and understand what is happening visually and why it's appealing.Yet somehow it's not being internalized.>I realized I was doing it mechanicallyMaybe this is true for copying too. Have you already tried more mentally taxing copies, like drawing the ref image+style from a different angle? I would think if you can do that much you can simulate the style well enough to use it as you please.
>>7815337>my konata made it into the opoh hell yeah good enough for me.
Why is it so hard to find technical information about how animation is done digitally wise? It took me only until far later that the majority of digital anime was done by using 1px lines for example. I don't even know if they changed their procedure nowadays due to CSP or stuff like this.
videogames are boring and i'm beginning to have some energy in the weekends again (im a wagie), so i'm back into the drawing grind after having been on and off for the past two years... here's a copy i've donei'm thinking about watching some of the vlippu videos this time to refresh my knowledge of fundies. i've also read a bit of the loomis figure drawing book and xiao weichun, but i'd always get bored after having read like 20-30% of the book. i guess i should balance 4fun drawings with reading books and style copies so i don't get burned out.i don't have a social media profile either, idk if i should make one since i hate those sites, i guess it could help with motivation.i could also wait for a bit too, no need to rush.
some pinterest heads
>>7818447These are very good. You should post more often since we don't get trad art that much here.
>>7815639Well, I've been keeping at it, I've been drawing everyday, but I hadn't done a Louise picture in a while, so here it goesHere's the reference I drew.https://postimg.cc/3yV4Cy0J
>>7818188Nothings really changed with Anime production.Retas Studio along with Paintman handled animation in Anime. For manga, Comic Studio and illustrations, Illustudio. These programs were all made by Celsys and was combined in CSP Ex. Dong Chang has good information on animationhttps://youtu.be/D0tux0QoeUE?si=UismID_yuyhzSkaK
This is like my 5th time picking up the pen this year. My main limitation is time. Each session is around 30 to 60min, and if I try to make one piece across sessions, I end up procrastinating so much that it takes me months to make anything at all. So I am looking for tips on improving in my 60min drawings. Thinking of buying a brush pen to speed up the process.
>>7816089they just use hard round (gpen) +air brush or blue tool lol
>>7821007it can't be helped. Looks really good doe
>>7821018I guess I've still got a very long way to go then when it comes to eyes lol
>>7820503I'm at it again.https://postimg.cc/Lqx4Hghr/49e8426d The original.Is there a guide for drawing hair-ends out there? They seem so simple, but I can't seem to get it down correctly..
>>7821007Nah, youre on the right track. Dont beat yourself up over it what you cant do and enjoy what you can do. Enjoying what you can do will help you get the ball rolling. Relax.
So I was researching the whole side profile thing because my OC stuff makes a different take of it.I'm not quite sure what is the most used version of such face. It seems that even a little deviation when copying makes the whole thing look off and I don't want my OCs to end up looking like literal animals...
>>7825077yes, but any source i can give would be in japanese. if you can read it, searching 描き方 on sadpanda will give you a treasure trove of resourceshttps://exhentai.org/g/2020878/451625d3e6/?p=1
>Browsing pinterest>Randomly find a drawing>Its literally my ideal style goal i have in my head drawn in actuality>Look up artist>Everything deletedi'll never forgive the japanese
>>7821007Wow I found a drawing I made six years ago and I have actually regressed
>>7826312>Wow I found a drawing I made six years ago and I have actually regressedOf course you did if you don't practice regularly. But you will relearn it much faster now, well only if you keep on practicing that is.
>>7825157Nigga.Start with basic shapes and add guidelines to them. Also you would benefit from line work training
>>7818447How much did ya practice to get to that level? I can only so-so copy.
how do i draw like imamura ryou? is it just round brush with no attributes? does he use underdrawings?
I made this drawing to determine how much i can draw, about how much would this go for if i ever decided to do requests if any at all? or how much for the head only? Is there a designated place to ask this kind of stuff?
>>7827875>Is there a designated place to ask this kind of stuff?About commissions? Not for that specifically, you can use /sqtddtot/ for questions. If you intend to do NSFW specifically you can try asking in /salt/.
been a while, went experimental on the hair not sure I really like it. I'm with happy with her eyes.
>>7811908update It took me 3 weeks (25 minutes daily) but 95% '-'
>>7829086post your copy drawings, before and after this practice
>>7829086tf is this
i'm breaking the rules, lately i've just been recklessly doodling panels as i read manga to get in my daily drawing.
>>7829386Deliberate Accuracy v4.1https://files.catbox.moe/997hni.htmlbasically this 3(accuracy, memory and symmetry) in one page and instant feedbackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMX3K3YMbd8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rsQyANBobchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQugNvXCMdY
I need to start drawing again
>>7825077 I'm at it again.I'm thinking that I need to make the time to learn how to draw hair properly instead of only drawing Louise..Or maybe use this tutorial I found online as well as >>7825364 to do it betterHere's the original: https://postimg.cc/JDLrdWJf
>>7815337Is pic related supposed to be the cheekbone or just the cheeks? I've seen it vary across artstyles where it's higher up or lower, but the pattern is more or less the same regardless of style
>>7829225the only difference is the rendering, the anatomy is still beg, no tits look like that
>>7830917In your pic it looks more like the cheekbone since it lines up with the nose.I really think it depends on the style, face angle and character age.It's a little easier to see when there are multiple characters.In picrel it seems to be the jaw for the girl on the left, the cheekbone for the next girl, buccal fat for the child, and then cheekbone again for the guy on the right.
>>7827729>does he use underdrawings?Yes. There's a stream out there of him drawing, although I hear it's only for people in his Discord or something.
>>7830917It represents the crest of the cheek bone and/or the cheek, what ever is protruding out the most.Pic from that person who shall not be named, uses a modified version of a Riley rhythm to highlight how this protrusion moves up and down as the head turns.
>>7830249>Deliberate Accuracy v4.1>https://files.catbox.moe/997hni.htmlHow do I use this?
>>7831287download and open with chrome/firefoxworks offline
How do I learn to draw heads/faces in an anime style? Do I just simply copy and hope that it sticks?
>>7827875not even 5bux for the whole ything, and it doesnt have to do with your art that much, theres tons of third world niggas charging peanuts for full bodies+bg+psd the whole nince for less than 25bux.
>>7831503Do you retards need to ask the same question every week for the all eternity?? are you idiots tourists?
>>7815395all you had to do was drawing boxes and shit for 2 weeks and you have been set for life to draw anime tiddies....
>>7831185awesome, thanks! a few days after i posted that he somehow uploaded this sketch lol, it's deleted now
A face
I just started drawing. This is my 6th piece.My bodies are nothing to write home about but they are still miles better than my faces, so I decided I'm gonna focus on the latter for a while. Hopefully I'll make some kind of improvement. Also, first post on /ic/ ever, cheers I guess.
>>7832251Another try.I had drawn the face too big in the last drawing and ended up overcompensating this time.
>>7832251>>7832921Be aware of and keep in mind the side plane of the head when drawing faces at angles like this. There is usually a noticeable plane shift when the front and side of the head meet so you can't just use the same brow curve for the entirety of the cranium for these angles. Biggest symptom of this is misplacement of features like the eyes and especially ears.
>>7832101I haven't been here for 3+ years so yea kind of. I know some of the fundamentals but I never tried to draw anime properly. I don't know how you would go about studying this efficiently.Is there something like Morpho but for anime heads? Different type of faces, ages, hairstyles, emotions with a little bit of commentary? Simplified for retention. Something I kind just grind without having to gather thousands of references myself.
>>7832921try doing a trace over the drawing before you draw it
Is it kawaii?
>>7832251>>7832921Wow, a Strike Witch fren! I started by drawing Strike Witches too.I drew Lynette to cheer you on.Ganbare, you can do it!
>>7832251>>7832921Another drawing. This time I bounced back to making the face too long and the jaw too big.>>7832945Thanks for the tip anon, I've tried to keep it in mind but still messed up the jawline.>>7833178Did this, but I think I don't fully grasp the purpose of the exercise. It's like my mind wasn't fully in it. What should I be paying attention to?>>7834287You've made my day, anon. That's the nicest thing anybody did for me in months. Love the drawing, I'll treasure it forever.
I'm not sure if anybody would be interested but I happened to have noticed that there is no one way for people to share references/notes for drawing anime, not one necessarily where ppl don't have to share haphazardly though threads so I thought it'd be cool to have one:>>booru.globi.ukI don't intend on making any money off this, I'm just self-hosting this as a hobby and don't intend on ever monetizing it. I am hosting this in the UK so please so NSFW and I am just starting out with maintaining something public like this so please do keep folders on your computers just in case the site somehow goes down. I initially was only going to use this for tohno-chan but since there's a thread here I thought if anybody was interested I'd atleast just post about it.
>>7834440Neat but is the way they're displayed the full size image? I ask because post 8 (post/view/8) about eyes is too blurry to read the text
>>7833343Yes, I saved this.>>7834440Thanks for sharing this, it's good to have options with functional search methods.>I am hosting this in the UK so please so NSFWAt such a small scale maybe it doesn't matter but it might save you future trouble to have a page like this.https://safebooru.org/index.php?page=tosIf anyone links your site they will almost certainly forget to mention no NSFW.
>>7834705Fixed, you can always comment on the image itself too
>>7834738Thanks, I've added on the extension, it's kinda late tho on my side so I'll write the specific rules later
>>7834705Oh and no, they are not the size of the full image, they'd be way too big if that was the case, I've linked the source under the images if you want it tho
>>7834376That's not bad, anon. It's good that you're pointing out the errors to yourself. Be persistent but also be patient with yourself since you are a complete beginner. If you feel up to it, give this book try. It's Drawing Manga Faces & Expressions: A Step-by-step Beginner's Guide by YANAMi. You can get it officially through Amazon, but it's also on e-hentai for free. Or this link https://files.catbox.moe/qb6ocb.zipIt'll walk you through how to draw anime faces from the front, side, even difficult angles and more. You should still be copying work you like and checking for errors, but books like this help by giving you a baseline structure to work with which may make copying easier.
>>7834840Not that anon, but do you know a good one for bodies and proportions?
anyone do the krenz perspective course? It seems cool, but this shit is in chinese and nowhere near as approachable as the accuracy course.
>>7834980Hmm, the way I learn proportions for anime is to find a style I like then compare the lengths and widths of body parts to each other. If you're looking for something more structured, I think Proko's Human Anatomy video course is excellent for learning how to draw the human body, some perspective drawing skills are needed though. If you're weak on perspective, take the course anyway, you will learn perspective by doing the assignments because there's no way to draw good looking anatomy without learning some perspective. If you're looking for a book, Xiao Weichun's Human Anatomy For Artists or Hampton's Figure Drawing And Design. The latter is easier for a beginner to understand but they both intermediate level books require some proficiency in perspective again. Let me know if you'd link a link to any of these.
>>7834840The way this book bastardizes the Loomis head is fucking awful. Just do Fun with a Pencil and apply anime style instead of copying Loomis directly.
>>7835037Its a beg trap dont even bother
idk
i've really been enjoying how non-committal pencil and paper is compared to a drawing tablet.
>>7830514Here I am, at it again.Her head is too big, her arms aren't big enough.I feel like I'm not getting anywhere, but maybe I'm expecting too much from myself; I've only been drawing consistently for about a month now. But I don't want to get into the habit of saying "Oh, well I'm a beginner!" to make excuses for not tryinghttps://postimg.cc/QFKDdd0PThe original reference.
>>7837226You need to take that reference image, put it in a new layer, lower the opacity, and line it up with your drawing to check your mistakes. You're symbol drawing your reference, not copying it. Slow down and really look at the reference when you draw, take measurements, find how things are arranged in relation to each other instead of seeing "eye" or "hand".You might try doing one of these with your reference upside down to break you out of it.
>>7837226Read keys to drawing. You're wasting your time making copies if you're not even trying to be accurate. You're not improving.
>>7837259I am trying to be accurate, it's just that I'm not any good. I've never even used photoshop/Gimp to do what >>7837256 is asking. I'll go through the book you recommend. Should I read every page or just go through the exercises? I've heard that you didn't need to read the book on Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, just to do the exercises.
>>7838044if your screen is bright enough putting it against your monitor will act as a light box for comparison.that's how artists and animators would utilize layers in the pre-computer days.
>>7838044Giving you the benefit of doubt here and assume you aren't just playing dense for laughs, let me spell it out clearly and save you a lot of time: if you genuinely can't make this decision without asking /ic/, you need to focus on learning to use your own brain. Like legitimately. You're never going to get anywhere in art if you can't problem solve trivial shit like this.
>>7838044at the very least read the introduction and first 2 chapters, i think you'd benefit from it.
>>7815337what do you guys do for face mouth and expression studies, how do you learn to draw varied expressions mouths and head angles with your anime style
>>7821007Update: bought a brush pen. Liking it so far, but i definitely need more practice to utilise it better.
>>7839769Another piece
And finally, today's new piece
Hope you guys understand that copying anime only teaches you how to copy, you should study the drawings not copy them...
>>7837226Don’t move forward until you fix an area so that it matches the original, I mean you can clearly tell that the top of the head is too flat and too close to the bangs, but you choose not to fix it and instead draw the entire thingYou are wasting your time and motivation
>>7839818How do you even study.Everyone says you should study, no one says how to do it.
Reference practice
>>7839818typical /beg/ trap, copying is much harder than just drawing inaccurate figures and boxeswhat you said actually reflects a /beg/ mindset, and /beg/ will choose to study rather than copy and will never improvein reality copying actually teaches you observational skills, if you don’t know what is wrong with your study you will never improve/beg/ should just worry about how to accurately copy a drawing, and only then study structure
>>7839867Cute tuhu
>>7839869>thinks copying is hard>calls me a begTheres thousands of people who can copy a photo with a pencil 1 to 1 yet they cant draw shit if they arent copying.Clearly drawing and copying are two completely different skills.I agree that if you cant copy something with at least 80% accuracy you should practice copying.But practicing copying only teaches you how to have more accurate observation, which is useful but its not going to teach you how to draw.
>>7839818copying is part of studying and a legitimate learning tool even in the non-anime art world, i'm pretty sure most people are aware that you're supposed to be thinking how was the original was drawn as they're drawing it.
another redraw study
>>7839918I mean it would take begs an hour to copy an image accurately, but they can easily mindlessly fill ugly boxes and figures on a paperif you tell begs they should study instead of copy, they are more likely to do it because it’s easier for themthe only way for them to learn from studying is to force them to copy images accurately and build up their observational skillsso when they start studying, they will understand what they did wrong and actually try to improve
>Ok I can refract nowBut how does one produce 6 digit traffic/sales to your da/pixiv/Facebook, in math, so, counting, measuring. No mean stupid comment now. Except if you are g*y.
>>7840823Bump, more example, please. That or,you never gone that far on pencils then. How "hardworking".
>>7840873>>7840823I don't even understand what the fuck you're saying. anyways you're kinda pathetic so even if I knew I wouldn't help you
Hi all, /beg/ here with one goal: draw my waifu. I'm planning on completing "Keys to Drawing", followed by "Fun with a Pencil" while daily copying art of her. Does this sound like a good plan? Pic related is my most recent attempt.
>>7840912Pic rel is my third and IMO best copy. I've been at this for four weeks now.
>>7827642You missed the point. I'm trying to figure out what shape is considered most humanb without going into realism. I can copy perfectly fine if I don't rush.
>>7840915Krenz's CSI
>>7839918You are supposed to copy by constructing retard.Also if you can't copy you won't learn how to draw.
>>7840912Idk about the plan but the effort is visible, and it will take you far i think. My bum ass bought a brish pen because I couldn't be bothered filling all that black in.
>>7832251>>7832921>>7834376A couple more heads I've drawn. The top one was started shortly after my last post, but the first attempt went so poorly I decided to try to draw it again. Still has some problems but an improvement nonetheless.The bottom one is my last study. I think the cheek is too puffy and the eyes are slightly too big and too high.I might be making some progress but my pace is glacial, which I'm not too happy about. The fact it takes me an hour and a half to two hours for each head doesn't help, since it means I can just barely squeeze out two on a good day. The problem is, I don't have any idea about how to speed up the process. Most of my time is spent just drawing the same lines again and again until one looks like I want it to. I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if it's just a matter of building up muscle memory.
>>7841702>>7832251I was going to be very harsh to you until I read you've been drawing for less than a month.Anyway, I say this for your sake, please, stay away from construction, boxes and spheres, until you've learned to copy with some degree of accuracy. You can copy whatever you want but focus on measuring distances and angles correctly until it becomes second nature. Currently you're getting ahead of yourself.
>>7841702I would just drop the whole "copying" thing. It's not a natural way to draw and conflicts with freehand intuition. Beginners don't understand what observation means anyways.You'll learn a lot faster just building things from simple forms and learning basic perspective and form principles from the early chapters of vilppu or fun with a pencil. Just learn to build things from simple primitives.
>>7840903>IfSo you don't then, right you unemployed steal of a motivator who got spared by Jews in gaza for being a cunt?
>>7841702Copy drawn without construction like that anon suggested, found it harder than usual. Had to start from scratch halfway through because I had totally messed up the shape of the face.>>7841711>>7841736>stay away from construction, boxes and spheres, until you've learned to copy with some degree of accuracy.>I would just drop the whole "copying" thing.The duality of anon.>I was going to be very harsh to you until I read you've been drawing for less than a month.Honestly, I don't mind you being harsh if it helps me improve. Feel free to speak your mind.
>>7842112>Copy drawn without construction like that anon suggested, found it harder than usual. Had to start from scratch halfway through because I had totally messed up the shape of the face.Why would you want to do it? If you copy with constructing you are learning not only how to measure, but how to create guidelines for yourself. If you just copy you are just learning to trace what you see. Which can be useful, but not that useful. >>7841702You are doing great anon desu. Most of people here don't remember how it was to be actual beg that has month of experience only. If I were you I would maybe switch to using construction shown by Pin2D available in OP pastebin. Where middle of circle is brow ridge not center of face. Also if you want to supercharge your progress try tocopy with constructing -> compare -> draw from memory with constructing -> compare You might at beginning skip drawing hairs and only focus on head shape, as it will be easier that way.
>>7842134>Why would you want to do it?NTA but the reason beginners shouldn’t use construction is because they don’t know how to use it in the first place, using the wrong construction is worse than not using it because it will be impossible to copy using the wrong constructionNot saying that he should never use construction for copying, but he is too much of a beginner for that, the learning steps are>copy without construction, use guidelines instead, harder and more time consuming>you brain starts getting annoyed and will simplify your guidelines, but still force yourself to copy 1:1>now you are able to copy with a minimal amount of guidelinesWith a minimal amount of guidelines, you can start adding a bit of construction as support, because your brain has already formed some observation skills, you are able to place the correct construction shapes in the correct places
>>7842277>NTA but the reason beginners shouldn’t use construction is because they don’t know how to use it in the first place, using the wrong construction is worse than not using it because it will be impossible to copy using the wrong constructionHow can you even use the wrong construction?Everyone does construction their own way, it's a thing that you refine with your own progress.Saying you can construct wrongly is just fearmongering.
>>7842322He doesn't understand perspective. He can't even get the size of the head right in his "construction" and then completely ignores it when drawing the hair. Seems like you're the one that forgot what it is like to be a beginner.
>>7842345Of course he doesn't understand it because he didn't practiced it. I am not arguing he can do construction well, I am arguing that there is no reason to be afraid of "learning it wrong" as it will naturally progress as he start to notice certain things, and study different materials. That's why I recommended him the pin2d video, as it goes about how to place features on head.
>>7839918>Theres thousands of people who can copy a photo with a pencil 1 to 1 yet they cant draw shit if they arent copying.but can you?
>>7842457yeah, copying accurately isn't hard if you give it time, stupid begtard
>>7842461Could you provide a personal example since you're clearly a professional?
>>7842322>it's a thing that you refine with your own progressNot until they develop basic observation skills, beginners without observation skills will do the wrong thing for years until they burn out and call themselves talentlessThe typical problem that beginners use construction to copy is that they never try to make it 1:1, because the construction restricts them from fixing their drawinginb4 if you think I am an anti-construction, you should read my post again. 1:1 is the only point of doing copy study, try anything to make it 1:1 and build the skill on top of that, not using beginner skills to make it 1:1
>>7837011Which anime does she come from?
>>7842992>... because the construction restricts them from fixing their drawingThere's a bit of truth in this. I mean, in the sense of that each line one does closes the possibility over the shape you're drawing. But even so, I believe attempting at construction is essential, even if failing at the first attempts. Even more that different methods of construction will always give different results, and the experimentation is as much part of learning than the accuracy itself. But seriously. Just try everything you could find of until something works and note it down.>>7843022It's Jashin-chan Dropkick.
Whats best selling style currently. Or how do you forecast them.
>>7843181I guess big gacha artists are currently leading trends in anime styles so you can look at what they're doing
The worst method to study you will do is better than the best method you won't do.Remember that
>>7815337i love anime
>>7844080do you got a blog or post anywhere else? i'd love to see more of your work
Reference practice. It looks rather boring. I struggled with drawing shoulders the most.
>>7844080Wow amazing! love this drawings composition <3
>>7844494It's important to know deeply your process of drawing, where are your weak points and work on them, cute drawing
>>7842112Latest copy. Took me 2 hours and 15 minutes to complete this one, I mainly had troubles with the eyes.I've read the discussion about construction. All I can say is that I think it's true that I get better results without it so for the time being I'll be copying stuff directly.Feels kinda scary because even if I know I'm still getting something out of this practice, by skipping construction I feel like I'm not moving towards being able to draw original pieces. It is what it is, I guess.Anyways, thanks to all the anons that left a comment. I wish everybody on this thread a happy new year.
>>7845052Very nice!
Here’s my latest study; I feel kind of guilty for not going off of the outline. Hopefully I made some improvement on this one!
does anyone notice that a lot of anime characters have a nose that is almost 90 degrees... what the fuuck is that shiit?
>>7845200how am i supposed to learn the anatomy when i think it looks too stupid, what is the formula for this? lmao
>>7845208if you think it looks stupid, either copy a different style, or reexamine your thinkingno, you do not need to learn anatomy, that's basically trying to reinvent the wheelif you just copy from professional artists (like from anime settei) you'll get a pretty good grasp of how the body works, of course there is nothing wrong with learning about landmarks (the protruding boney parts of the body that help with body proportions)
>>7845200>>7845208you need to go back
>>7845208cat
>>7838111.Thank you for berating me. It made me realize that there's no magic lesson to drawing and no real shortcuts in learning>>7839831I'll try it again, after a few more lessons
>>7845052Use Krenz's method, you can make it even closer to the reference, I can still see your styleIf you really can’t see what’s wrong, stack your drawing on top of the reference to compare
>>7830249Very cool anon good stuff i like it.You should put it on git so we don't lose it tho.
>>7830249also if possible add wipe button under overall average so we don't have to reset website.
>>7845568Autism
>>7845804what the hell is the krenz method, is there an image representation of it?
>>7844080googly eye triangle mouth is my favorite gender
>>7846132read the op
Tried studying ryukishi a bit for funI think the background line needs to be lowered it looks weirdAlso the faces are a bit weird if you flip them which means I should measure more?
>>7845208Razor sharp chins, stick necks, humongous and disproportionate backside of the skull, noodle limbs, dot nose. Lucky for you there are other anime-adjacent styles, start by looking at other chinks (korean, chinese)
>>7846766Cute Tosaka
>>7845208Why are you trying to learn from a style you don't like, are you stupid?
>>7846132>>7814041>>KK零基础绘画训练营/Krenz Zero-Based Painting Training Camp(ENGLISH)>use base64encode>cGl4ZWxkcmFpbi5jb20vdS9hVjV0N3lOTQ==
Are there any good places for references of underwear?
doing style studies has never left me feeling more empty
>>7830249Fuck
A page of basic head practice.First goal of the new year achieved!
>>7845208it's an aesthetic simplification of what they call the E line, they do note that foreigners have gigantic noses that don't conform to this concept
>>7830249>>7845906https://files.catbox.moe/yuu8rt.htmlGemini did this entirely, I asked for things I wanted including a reset button, maybe it works for you anon.
>>7848420This shit too easy
left my attempt at copying 3 days ago (4th drawing ever), right today, (14th)still looks like shit but I keep discovering new ways to improve...Only the face really look better but it's encouragingdrawing is very fun
I went into the proverbial time chamber and grinded Krenz kindgergarten or university 0 course (I don't speak Chinese) for 2 months straight.I finally learned how to observe and copy shapes since my other attempts were rather lackluster before this. Top cluster are my freehand copies, shapes and negative spaces on left and complete assemble on right. Bottom we have the ref on left side and my tracing of the shapes and the coloring of the negative spaces of the ref on the right. Overall I'm pretty proud of it.The wolf is not for censorship, it's what I want to do to elins.
>>7848746Sauce on the ref?
>>7848763Mojarin Elin Peropero x 6, I'll spoonfeed anyone that wants to know some mojarin.
I know, it’s terrible. But I’d like to think that I got the torso, leg, and head proportions right.
>>7848770Original
>>7848770My man, do you perhaps have any kind of drawing software installed? Align the ref with your work if you do. Because you've got nothing right, and I mean nothing.
>>7848770Unironically try >>7848420
https://www.amazon.co.jp/stores/%E7%A0%82%E7%B3%96-%E3%81%B5%E3%81%8F%E3%82%8D%E3%81%86/author/B0DCP8D35MAnyone heard of Sugar Owl? I saw some posts on Twitter talking about his head book and was just wondering if anyone has it or if it's worth checking out
>>7830249I really hope this transfers to trad because it's a hell of a lot faster and easier than using trace paper
>>7848746Thank you, anon. I'm doing K0 rn, you example gave me additional motivation.Although teachers in the course are quite inconsistent with their methods to determine primary form (I've watched 3 videos so far): only Aguo seems to capture it as large rough polygon. Others jumps straight to detailed silhouette with all little bumps. It's confusing.How much time did you spend on each picture from the Krenz assignment? And how was your accuracy? Can you post some overlayed on originals?
>>7844203i post on /v/ sometimes>>7845065qt
>>7850040>Acting as if not having a 20k twitter account
>>7850040Westoid cringe and not anime at all. The far eye should be the same height as the other one, it's too small on both cases.
>>7849991Glad I could encourage someone.The part with the teachers being inconsistent at the start is quite normal, they don't teach you how to simplify the form into geometrical shapes in the first week but how to observe and recreate through the easiest method first. The first part is similar to Bargue plates. During the 2nd week is when their methods completely converge and teach you how to think through actual shapes (video 8 if I remember correctly onwards). You'll learn some basic perspective in week 3 too.Here's an example of what I did too. Complete copy would take around 40ish minutes per subject, or a bit over 2 hours for all 4 subjects per assignment depending on complexity (it would get easier and faster later on). For accuracy I just did as the instructors said and was content if I could reach a 90% accuracy.Keep grinding hard, the 2nd week get much more nuanced. They'll also teach you a much better method for the moth shape somewhere in either video 4 or 5 (they didn't explain it before to first make you draw through your own learned abilities so far and THEN teach you a better method to drive it home).Also I found out much later the stars' colors means that some subjects are optional lol.All in all great course, 9/10 since it's plenty interactive and fun.
>>7850159How autistic are you about your lines? How frequently do you use ctrlz?
>>7850070nakadashi
Tried to copy girl in the middle from >>7830973and the reference face from >>7837226I like the body on the first one but the head looks very different, I think I was going too fast, its also a bit too flat.Somehow I'm not sure why I can't hit the shape of the mouth on the second one.Any advice welcome, I WILL copy more
>>7850285I don't use ctrlz much unless I overshoot by a mile if my entire elbow drops like a tare. For lines I just do a final Passover with the eraser at the end.
>>7850375Like a tard I meant*
Ore wa Natsuki Subaru!
>>7848746Do you have a full name or link for the course?I'm only finding some videos here and there
>>7850397NTA but search for "krenz masterpost" in tg group, you will see a link for his "Zero" course
>>7850375>don't use ctrlz muchso you draw straight lines perfectly each time at any angle?could you grade picrel https://files.catbox.moe/zvt2gv.psd ?time required is killing me
>>7850390i cant believe how its almost 10 years, this is rezeros 10th year anniversary.also does anyone else have a hard time consuming art as an adult? ive become very nihilistic as i am 26 now. i was 16 when rezero aired and i havent really enjoyed anything since.
>>7850456what is the purpose of these practices? capturing the silhouette of a form? is this a proportion training skill?
>>7850358Nice work, here's what stuck out to me.>girl in the middleHer shoulder and hand position on one side is way lower than the other, they are nearly even in the ref. Establishing the shoulder and hip angles before you commit to them like you would in a gesture drawing would help.As for her head, the skull is flattened at the back/top and the lower third is also too angular. I did a few minimal edits which I think helped a lot.>Somehow I'm not sure why I can't hit the shape of the mouth on the second one.Sometimes it's easier to see if you draw cross sections, for example if you made a line between the corners of her mouth it would break it up into a small and a large curve. Actually drawing it is still pretty hard, though.
Smol practice
>>7850040How do I get as good as you....
>>7850522Smol practice no2
>>7848746>>7850159>>7850456>>7850456btw someone translated the files>>7847403
>>7850540lots of useful info
>>7850543damn, I'm retarded
>>7850543> if you only stare ...how am I supposed to look at reference, at my own drawing and at the line I drawing at the moment simultaneously?
>>78505591 hour 45 min for this shit T_Thow to do it faster?
>>7850456I looked at your stuff and found your problem.Compare your lines in the 3rd column to mine, you're taking way too much time, and I mean way too much time there. You're too deliberate and are wasting time. What I did at first was use the point/dot strategy for the first couple days, I wouldn't even bother putting an outline first but dot the 3rd column by approximation and then connect the dots like one of those kids drawing puzzles. By the 2nd week I just started using shapes as recommended. Zoom in a bit closer to my 3rd column, my lines are very wobbly and wonky, sometimes even going twice per line, it's why I take per average less than half the time you take per subject.Try the dot method for a couple of days like I said to outline the entire shape, might help you with your speed.Oh also just rotate your canvas when you're doing awful angles.>>7850479Yea, more or less, it's to get out of the bad habit of symbol drawing and learning to draw what you actually see by putting literal horse blinders on you and then removing it on week 3. Mind you it's geared towards real beginners. It's also an extreme grind since it's 42 days of chinese work. They'll also cram into you things like angles, perspective and some instructors going into autistic details in face proportions. Problem is there are quite a lot of instructors so one guy will say something and then in comes another one with a different method.
>>7850608I will try, thanks. Though I can't see a lot of differences between your steps 3 and 4 (besides that you omit some (but not all) tertiary forms).Do you draw straight lines using Shift?
>>7850655I didn't start using the straight line tool at this point since I didn't know how. I learned how to use it by the second week though.
>>7850692I mean is it allowed? Or is it considering cheating for learning?
>>7850505Thanks alot for the advice anon, I'll try and consider those points next time
>>7850721rulers and pencils are forbidden, unless u are drawing with a stick in a sand you are ngmi
>>7850420I think I found it, gonna guess its this one, I didn't even know its in chinese
>>7850721The only thing they said you need to freehand is column 3 and 4.
I’ve been taught that anime eyes are oval-shaped, but wtf is this shit?
>>7835448You say just apply anime to this construction method as if thats a totally natural thing for a beginner to just be able to do. It's actually too abstract an idea to someone who probably still has trouble making his hands do the motions hes thinking of on top of the paper. I mean, be reasonable
>>7850999you're looking at what's basically a circular hole inside of a ball. the side of the hole further away will flatten out, while the side closer to you will do the opposite. The little corner that it has is shape design, an artistic choice. There are styles that do this, there are styles that dont and keep it round instead
>>7850999>I’ve been taught that anime eyes are oval-shapedby who?
>>7850608>>7850655 (me)Krenz Day3 https://files.catbox.moe/j0jf0y.psdIt seems like I can omit some tertiary forms on simple objects (the hat) and complete them faster, but I can't omit when copying complex objects, because then I draw wrong lines (I suppose it's because I can't rely on grid to find out placement on step 4, while it's easier on step 3). So I spend 2-2.5 hrs per complex object.
>>7834840Why do they draw the male heads similar to loomis with circle and a jaw beneath, but the female ones completely weird, with drawing a circle and then drawing the head shape inside that (why not just draw the shape or simplify the proces?) or am I being a dumbo and misunderstanding it?
Which of you want to spend dozens of hours drawing my visual novel for free?
>>7850070oh hey sydus (or a sydus copier)
>>7850070oh hey sydus (or a sydus copier)!
>>7851612defined jaws are masculine
>>7851911I mean I understand the male heads, just the female ones seem so weird, they just make a circle and instead of constructing the head from that, they just draw an entire head inside of that cicle for no reason
min study
>>7850999>>7851054shouldnt the mouth be alligned with the nose (middle of the face)?
>>7852207lurk five thousand years before posting
>>7852036they don't the jaw is just rounded and tapers to a pointi think you need better observation, you can see the point it transitions away from the circle
>>7852224Oh shit lmao I think I just didnt read far enough, thanks anon, I'll check the book out then
>>7852226i just looked at that book, but you're right, it has an odd way of constructing heads. it uses a subtractive method instead of an additive one for women.the end result is the same, but it seems a bit odd to me
>>7852234doesn't all drawing ultimately boil down to just trying and finding methods that work for you specifically anyways?
>>7852236i guess, but it really should have said it's an alternative method for constructing heads instead of here's how male heads are done here's how female heads are done. the circle and irregular pentagon also works for female heads just as well and i'd say it's more intuitive than cutting out irregular crescents
>>7850040allbeatnik?
>>7852266I guess the idea is that women's heads/faces are generally smaller than men's so if you use the same sized circle as the base, you'd get proportionally right sized faces for either gender at the same scale?Idk desu
I forgot to favorite a really good book about drawing tits I found on e-hentai with an all japanese title and I'm pissed I can't find it again, 4chan won't even let me post the couple pages I have saved to try and ask if someone knows it even after changing it from webp to png and jpg either, man this fucking sucks. Have a shitty image I drew a few months ago so this isnt just a venting post.
Just finished a study of a frame from the trailer for the new Madoka Magica movie.
>>7851516Krenz Day4>>7852553why can't you post pages? can you catbox them instead?
>>7852580Idk it won't work for these for some reason, even after converting them to jpeg and png files it still didnt let me upload them and jsut told me it had an error. I didnt think to catbox them though, these are the only two images I have from it. If anyone knows what book it is id appreciate it.https://files.catbox.moe/9mq60k.jpeghttps://files.catbox.moe/qb73se.jpeg
>>7852593https://e-hentai.org/g/3151802/c7d272ee89/Took me all of two minutes to find
>>7852601Dude I tried looking for it manually and reverse image searching and I swear it wouldn't come up. Thanks man.
There arent THAT many books in the how to tag
>>7852577havent seen it yet, are her hands torn apart?
>>7853072Great copy, at a glance it looks the same.The head is a bit narrower, and particularly the ear area is quite different even though the relation of the ear to the hair is mostly correct.If I had to guess, you copied the outline of the head and hair before copying the facial features? If so, try doing the face first next time.
>>7852580Krenz Day5
I'm trying to do a position with two amputees, with one on top of the male getting a blowjob and the female straddling the hips. I'm having trouble positioning them because they don't have limbs.
>>7853488
>>7853182You guessed it, first I did the Loomis sphere, the hair outlines, and then the face. I'll try to do what you suggested.
Best books?
Hunmer needs to fix his broken books.
>>7853941Bible
>>7853941Talmud, Zohar
>>7853941You can learn good anatomy from fuchitoro's doujinshi
if you draw umamusume then you're basically a cuck.
>>7854161Tldr qrd pls
Is anyone aware of any image-based translators that are accurate? I'm trying to translate some Japanese into English from a few of the resources listed in the pastebin link
>>7854200tldr cygames now has an AI studio that has nothing to do with its other IPs (it's an independent studio that is unrelated to its other stuff). The guy calling uma fans cucks is just an idiot or baiting
>>7854659I think most people just use Google translate and their phone camera.
>>7854774ikr? Google AI Studio that has nothing to do with their search engine, Youtube, Google Docs, Gmail or Calendar, they will never implement AI into those because it is an independent studio.
>>7854161same with troonhou
>>7853485Krenz Day6
>>7854780nice bait
>>7854847actually do the research foolZUN usually gets backgrounds used in game from free sources, and a couple of the bgs in touhou 20 were AI generated (most likely from adobe creative cloud/firefly since he's known to use it)
>>7855086Krenz Day7
>>7855275Do you feel your accuracy is improving? I tried this myself out of interest but the grid unironically makes my observation skills worse. Guess I got more used to copying by eye since I did that for a few weeks
>>7855129>ZUN supports AI>ZUN uses it in his games>Touhou is now an AI franchise>Drawing Touhou is now cuck behavior because you are supporting an AInigger (ZUN)What's so hard to understand? ZUN wants artists like you dead, and you still think you owe him fanart?
>>7855728bait
lineart practice
Is that anime enough?
Study
>>7856272Original
>>7855286I just watched last video of the first week and realized I was doing it kinda wrong. Either chinks are retarded at explanations of what to do exactly or it is planned to be this way (as another Krenz anon has mentioned).It's not hard to mark dots using grid, but it's time consuming. So I need to stop marking exact contours and start doing rough polygons to reduce time required.
Hey all, just finished another study.
>>7857068Original
>>7857068Sasuesque
>>7852962No, just part of her arms are submerged.>>7857072You’re right, if I keep at it, I, too, can become a Reddit meme.
>>7857134Try drawing guidelines and then compare angles to the reference u are copying
>>7857143Does the Loomis technique really make that much of a difference? I know that it’s the way to go, but it’s just not clicking for me how drawing spheres will make a copy of a 2D image better.
>>7857153I guess?
>>7857153there is no 2D when drawing, understanding that you are drawing a sphere (cranium) and rotating that sphere is important. If the construction method is not clicking you can always switch it up, i never really understood how to exactly cut the sphere on the sides, it's really hard to translate loomis into anime man i swear
>>7855275>>7856743Krenz Day8
Mojarin anon here again.Tried studying some other artists, like AGM here, to not go down the rabbit hole on Mojarin alone.
>>7857457Nakadashi
>>7857072Pyw then
>>7857457sex. deep and raw.more mojarin studies are welcomeDid you use Krenz method for this copy too?As for values: does Krenz teach this stuff as well?t. anon grinding krenz0 day9
>>7858016Ah nah I just use krenz' method when I do bigger works where every little detail matters otherwise it'll look wonky and no amount of liquify will help, I do use a little something I took as a takeaway from there though.For this one I just eyeball the vertical first, get 3 quick scratches on where I have: the entirety of the lower body (a bit over 2/3s of the piece) and the upper body. After that I align a diagonal from the top of the back of the head to leftmost asscheek to avoid having to do an entire negative of the zone. This creates a triangle and simplifies what I need to do. The only big problem I had was with the greyscale rendering of the pants, I don't know what type of material that is so I just ended up winging it. You also need some elementary perspective knowledge in 3 point perspective to understand why and how some shapes get foreshortened.The artist also uses an extremely elaborate 3d software for his models, you can see those in some of his collections since he doesn't hide it, no idea on which one it is but it also does complex background shapes that the guy seems to make manually.Krenz course only does a small introduction on what is value (greyscale only mind you), if you want to learn more about it just grab a copy of Gurney's color and light from somewhere on the internet.Currently going through Force by Mattesi do help with stiffness.
Did this just now, I think in comparison to the original, mine is not looking down enough
>>7858113the animu in question
>>7858113faces become smaller and sharper, hair becomes bigger and wider when looking down due to perspective o algo. My attempt using the shittiest CSP pens known to man
>>7858072thxwelp, I have a long way to go until the values so...I'm trying to freehand tertiary lines more
dios mio ixy, each stroke per layer?
>>7858171Thanks for the advice anon. How do you go about drawing pictures like that, just start with biggest shapes and sketching lightly or something else?
A study I did of Dino's art a year ago, redone (left<-2026, 2025->)I wanted to understand how he did colour, especially when it came to hair, so i traced the outline and then tried to match the drawing without colour dropping. In that regard I think the study was a failure, since I did not even use the same method of going from colour to rendering (Dino seems to create a greyscale value layer, layers that on top of base colours, adds a bunch of ambient occlusion and such before merging and detailing). Nevertheless, it was fun and well, coming back a year later, I appreciate how much an understanding of the underlying shapes and theory helps. Still very impressed by the layered effect dino does with hair.
>>7857328Is there a ZIP of all of these?
>>7858793They are packed in one archive with videos of the course. Someone posted translated version of the assignments in this thread, but I'm afraid quality is even lower.
>>7858471How i draw copies? i usually start with the loomis cranium,then eyes, and then the other features. Same as drawing normally tee bee eich
I want to steal this AI slop lines, did I do a good job?
>>7857328Krenz Day9
>>7859012How are you feeling about the progress? Been worth while?
>>7858972fuck forgot to clarify, my test is the right image, the AI prompt I tried copying the lines from is the left image
Trying out an angle and pose with more foreshortening than I'm used to and I'm not sure if it looks right
>>7859256That's a tough one. I tried breaking it down.If we consider the head to the elbows the front plane (red), and follow the visible side to her hip we can make a box (blue). But if we follow it to the end of her straight leg (green) we end up with a completely different angle.Red and blue make for a pretty distorted perspective by the time you get to her legs, but red and green don't match up.I couldn't think of a solution that didn't require a complete redraw or giving up on some part of the pose, unfortunately. It's easier if you draw a box in perspective first and then draw the body inside that.
This is why the 3/4 face is hard, it makes no sense, the farther eye is completely different shape, not just narrowed and flipped version of the same eye
>>7859256luv your linesdo u use screenless or screen tablet?
>>7859403the only advice i can give is try to see the eye lashes as 3d forms in your observations
>>7859903don't mind the bottom eyes, i was just seeing if it would even be possible to just scale front view eyes to get a 3/4th view, and it looked about as flat as i expected it to.
>>7859403Anon that's just how perspective works. Look it's not your fault it's the tylenol fault.
Which anime eye is your favorite? I think I default to drawing 1 most of the time.
>>7859067idk honestly - this is my return from 8-9 months nodraw (and at that time I had been drawing lines, cubes, cylinders, etc)my time per assignment doesn't go down, my quality is okayish I suppose, I'm very autistic about how straight my lines are (even for I/II/III level forms) - it's typically for me to ctrlz a line 3-7 times before I feel that it is drawn rightbut as there were almost no theory in the course at this point (it can all be boiled down to "you copy using grid system, you use CSI lines, you use polygons for I/II forms and details go at III forms") I treat it like "This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine." - i.e. drilling that must be doneI'm at day 10 rn and hope there will be something new at week 2
>>7860042I'm apparently drawing 24 a lot.
>>7859331What are you talking about, the spine is flexed laterally in his drawing??
>>7860717>the spine is flexed laterallyI tried the pose myself before I started. I wasn't able to bend much laterally, and trying to do so was not a comfortable resting position.Assuming she's flexible enough to bend to a significant degree, I guess the frames I made would be wrong. But if only a little bit of bending is possible, one box is still enough to capture it and either the legs are too far to the side or the front plane needs to be redrawn in 2 point perspective.If you think I'm way off track, I'd love to know about it in detail.
>>7859012Krenz Day10 (The end of Week1)A lot of small details, subtle curves and pixel hunting - very exhausting
doing those 2 minutes studies recently. I think this is decent way to improve fast but i might be wrong.
I tried
