Previously on /trad/: >>7781453
First time trying to paint something with colors
Do you need to draw the same way as you paint?
>>7821179badly? yes
>>7821224Why?
>>7821238because you touch yourself at night fucking GOTTEM
>>7820951worst thread in the board
>>7821244Are you retarded?
>>7821254stfu gooner
>>7821254bruh your mad af
>>7821293bro ive been trying to make painting like that but it always turns out wrongly. what prompt?
>>7821179No you need to paint the same way as you draw.
>>7821179I don't mean to be rude, but that's a very vague question, as there are different necessary aspects to drawing and painting and some degree of personal variance in approach. for instance, traditionally artists go from light to dark when using graphite or charcoal, but from dark to light when oil painting. but it's not like you *can't* also go from light to dark when painting. but if you could be more specific, it would be easier to assuredly answer your question directly.
>>7821507Why would you draw like this.
>>7821507If you paint like this?
>>7821567>>7821568he didn't draw like that (see picrel). the plates found in the Bargue drawing course are didactic in nature, part of a systematic approach to learning how to see a given subject and understand fundamental qualities, and to gain practical skills in your work (beyond studies). you see this even today in modern ateliers and academies, where students are made to work with a particular method - sometimes reaching 50+ hours of work on a subject over the course of a semester. but none of the professors teach that that's how all work is suppose to be. you use the approach, you gain the skills, you dispense with the approach to whatever desired extent.
>>7821585>see picrelThats just a compositional sketch, the finished painting will look completely different.>Bargue drawing course are didacticWhat is the goal. I have never seen someone draw or paint in the same style as the plates. Why would you spend hundreds of hours to learn a rendering style to never use it again?
>>7821611>Thats just a compositional sketch, the finished painting will look completely different.I don't disagree, but I don't see how that contradicts my point. you showed a Bargue plate implying that Bargue drew like that but painted like the painting of his you showed. my point was that he didn't draw like that. there are other, more finished drawings you can readily find of his which show the same thing. and for most artists traditionally, drawings were mainly for studies or preparations for paintings.>What is the goal. I have never seen someone draw or paint in the same style as the plates. Why would you spend hundreds of hours to learn a rendering style to never use it again?the goal isn’t to have your work beyond these plates end up looking like the plates. it’s to internalize reliable ways of seeing proportion, edge, value and form so your judgment becomes immediate. the plates are a training device - like scales for musicians or grammar for writers - that make fluency possible. after hundreds of hours the student doesn’t carry the plates into finished work; they carry the ability those exercises create.
>>7821611you're not gonna draw boxes or loomis heads or draw bridgman figures or autistically plot perspective either, I don't see what confuses you here
>>7821620>my point was that he didn't draw like that.My question was, should you draw in the same style as you paint. And he obviously does not, in both cases.>the goal isn’t to have your work beyond these plates end up looking like the platesWhy wouldn't you just draw from nature, then? Or use a drawing style that's similar to painting?Learning a drawing style, to never use it again, just makes no sense.As i said, what is the goal?Is a drawing itself the goal or is it just a tool, to create a painting or an ink drawing?
>>7821624Are you fucking retarded? He taught a class and needed every student to have access to an unchanging, static, fixed subject for obvious reasons. Like are you seriously mentally impaired?
>>7821622You are confusing construction and rendering. You can use boxes or other construction methods, to build up whatever you are planing to draw. You can erase the lines later, or you can just hold the concept of a box in your head. Like kim young gi did, he drew his construction lines as part of the finished drawing.Rendering form and values is a different thing.If you draw to be a better painter. But your drawings look nothing like your future painings in grayscale, what is even the point? Its contra productive, it seems.
>>7821624>My question was, should you draw in the same style as you paint. And he obviously does not, in both cases.well initially you said>the same waywhich, like I said was rather vague. but as far as the same style, of course you need not draw in the same style as you paint. but if you already saw the difference in how Bargue (or other artists) draw and paint, that should be evidence enough.>As i said, what is the goal?the plates aren’t a style to adopt; they’re a discipline to absorb. after you’ve absorbed it, you’re free to work however you please - but with far better judgment. style varies, and not every student is going to want the same style, so it's more efficient to teach fundamentals with which you can use in whatever style you like. and once you can *see* properly, you can discern what constitutes a particular style and take the best from other artists you see (and experiment yourself to an extent) and put it into your own style. worrying about style as a beginner just gets in the way.
>>7821627>and needed every student to have access to an unchanging, static, fixed subjectWhy has he produced drawing in such a useless style then? Why aren't his drawings rendered in the same way his paintings are?
>>7821632>of course you need not draw in the same style as you paint. but if you already saw the difference in how Bargue (or other artists)Make it make sense.>worrying about style as a beginner just gets in the way.Why then teaching a very stylized and artificial manner of rendering, why wouldn't you teach drawing in a naturalistic way?
>>7821634Retarded howie.
>>7821641>Make it make sense.I'm saying if you asked the question having already seen differences in how some artists draw and how they paint, then obviously no one needs to draw and paint in the exact same style, and that you would seem to already know that.>why wouldn't you teach drawing in a naturalistic way?because nature is far too complex for beginners at the outset. the plates are not a “stylized manner” meant to be imitated in finished work; they are simplified so that proportion, value, and edge can be learned without distraction. a novice drawing directly from life tends to fall back on guesses and habits, not true observation. by isolating the essential elements of naturalistic drawing, the plates train the eye to see accurately; once that skill is internalized, the student can approach nature with far greater clarity and freedom.
Okey, just to summarize everything.You spend years learning a drawing style, that has no practical application. After that, you have to learn to paint from scratch on your own?You are aware how nonsensical it all sounds, right?
>>7821568watch it chrissy
>>7821649>You spend years learning a drawing style, that has no practical application.an individual could hypothetically do all drawings like that and take it to whatever extent they desire, but for most it's not about the style, rather the understanding of the aforementioned fundamentals (proportion, value, edges, etc)>you have to learn to paint from scratch on your own?not from scratch, no. again, if done properly, you have an understanding you previously didn't and, naturally, some practical tools as well.
>>7821654>>7821649also the "years" thing is an extreme exaggeration. no one today or in Bargue's time used his plates for multiple years before going on to painting; that's certainly not how it's taught.
Stop replying to the retard, retard.
>>7821656It takes up to 3 years, to master drawing.
This is how Bouguereau drew. Clear outlines, soft, compressed values, like in his drawings.If you draw to get better at painting, why wouldn't you follow the approach of the best Academic painter who ever lived? (at least when we are talking about the human figure)
>>7821710even assuming that were true, which I don't, that's a red herring and negates nothing I've said previously.
>>7821714>like in his drawingspaintings
>>7821716In Repins academy, which is one of few traditional academies left, they draw for several semesters, before they start drawing.Tracing Bargues plates for several years, makes no sense, right. Which shows, that that's a bad way to learn art.
>>7821722>Tracing Bargues platesalready starting with a false premise>for yearsanother false premise no one teaches>In Repins academy, which is one of few traditional academies left, they draw for several semesters, before they start drawing.I'll take your word for it
If the Neo-Academic method is so good, as you tell me, why is no one able to paint like Bougie, or Gerome or even Bargue?
>>7821733>why is no one able to paint like Bougie, or Gerome or even Bargue?proof?
>>7821735Wouldn't they post it online or show in a gallery if they could?
>>7821744how do you know people don't?
>>7821746What dos "know" even mean?
>>7821758who could say?
Do any anons know how I can shade traditionally with a pencil? I already know forms & 3D Space. I even know the fundamentals of shading and the human anatomy, as I already do that on my digital tablet. But I never shaded with a pencil on my sketchbook before in all my years of art.
>>7822585>shade traditionally with a pencilIt depends. Usually you make the pencil very sharp and do a lot of fine hatching. If you want to smudge, char coal or sanguine works better. >I already know forms & 3D Space. I even know the fundamentals of shading and the human anatomyThat's most likely not the case.
>>7822585Why haven't you tried it and what are you afraid of? I think you are making this a bigger issue than it supposedly is. Mark out the shadow areas and fill them in. It can't be more complicated than that.Be mindful of shadow edges, soft and sharp and everything should be fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAmN8QalwZI
>>7823333thanks, I love having my ears bleed
>>7823350Audio is trash, but a lot of good info.
you guys really don't wanna paint, huh?
>>7823835Huh? I do tho.
>>7823867pics or it didn't happen
>>7823868You first.
>>7823878I already did, just fucking post
>>7823880Here's a 2 hour figure study I did with a live model.
>>7824012>>7824013Very cool.What medium?
>>7824016oil pastels
>>7820951>>7823943This is nice>>7824012>>7824013Really cool style
>>7822613>>7822864When I started drawing I used traditional as training wheels for art and once I got the experience & skill I made most of my works on a digital tablet. This doesn't mean I abandoned traditional art and I always find myself drawing when I have a pencil. But I never pursued making serious artworks. More like figure drawings, gestures, and portraits, just things you can draw in about 30 minutes. Picrel is a figure drawing I did in Fall 2024 on my sketchbook (I don't typically like to photograph and share my art online sorry). I know how to draw with pencil, I just don't know how to shade. I understand light & shadow fundamentals remain the same, but digital media and traditional media differs a lot in the methods for shading from what I've seen. And FYI in case you are wondering why I wanna learn this after so much time, its cause I'm starting to appreciate the beauty and portability of traditional art and what can be done with just pencil+eraser combo.
>>7824294pls stop
>>7824294What's your question?
>>7824294You are only drawing outlines, why not look at the shadows, draw the outlines if the shadows and fill them in?As you draw shadow outlines, look at how sharp and soft the edges are, it's really not that complicated. Just look at where the shadow shapes are and draw them.
any of you trannies use a dedicated camera instead of a phone camera for photographing your art? thinking about an a6000 with a sigma lens
>>7824995No.If I can find a spot with indirect light, no glare, my phone is fine most of the time.The most difficult thing of photographing work like drawings and especially paintings is not so much the camera but more the surrounding light.But that is just my experience.
>>7824995sigma balls
Chair
>>7825085Brian, why are you so insistent on mud? I think a big part of your pastels being received so much better is that you're not muddying them up like you do your oils. It literally looks like you're painting with whatever you can scrape off the palette
>>7825091cause for oils my main colors are burnt sienna, prussian blue, titanium white, vermillion, and naples yellow. thats about it. its the widest value range. i mostly treat painting like a more advanced form of drawings, more chance to show form. i didnt start out as a painter i was just a draftsman so if the drawing isnt evident its just boring to me. everything is a drawing medium, color is lame.
>>7825112That palette has a fairly wide gamut, in fact wider than most historical paintings before 1800s, the issue is that you're overmixing and not thinking about the composition, not the paint.>didnt start out as a painter i was just a draftsman so if the drawing isnt evident its just boring to me. everything is a drawing medium, color is lame.this is just non-sequitur cope, nobody starts as a painter and covering everything in mud doesn't make the drawing any more evident
>>7825112people have painted less muddy paintings with a fraction of that palette for literally thousands of years thoughbeit
>>7825121that just comes down to most of them being not fully rendered, the potential for the palette is nearly infinite but i dont want to do that most times, or most images just dont need that level of rendering. this one for instance is more realized than others i do.
>>7825112your drawings are shit as well.
>>7825165got it! see you guys again in a month it was fun
>>7825155Go to https://www.geotests.net/couleurs/frequences_en.html and check your paintings against paintings you like, I genuinely don't think you're looking at them objectively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPm5pl3XDuo
>>7821026Did Himmler even smoke?
>>7825350I've done a lot of research and I've determined with complete certainty that Himmler was smoking. Smoking HOT!
>>7825371Kinda gay desu
>>7825407I've also discovered he smoked a lot of jews. Allegedly.
>>7825350Yes. But he kept it to once or twice a day, it was very important to him that his men didn't smoke too much.>>7825371Hahahaha
>>7825166grow a pair you pussy, or better, improve your art
>>7825112when the fuck were you ever a draughtsman? a draughstman is someone making highly technical drawings, plans, schematics etcde vries, durer, escher - those are draughtsmen
>>7826194a draughtsman can also mean an artist whose specialty is drawing rather than painting or another mediumyou will see it used this way a lot in old art instruction manuals.brian sux tho
>>7826194>le technical PLANS and SCHEMATICAL TECHNICAL PLANS and MATH SCIENCE DIAGRAMSur unironically a gay nerd, stfu, go play more fallout 7
>>7821714that head is tiny. Come on Boug, whattaradoin'?
>>7826653ywnbad
>>7826653>heh, I'm LEAVING, see you next month, nerds! you're gonna be SO sorry and miss me VERY much, haha! it's not like I wanted your validation or anything, baka!>stays in the thread and seethesWhy so tsun tsun, Brian?
>>7826674At least it looks like anything, innit?
Painted a little robot guy.
Going to sound stupid here, but what are the bare minimum things to start oil painting? I'm poor but want to start.I'm going to assume something I can use as a palette, the oils and a brush (obviously), and some paper or a canvas. Is there anything else that I absolutely need?
>>7827764nice
>>7827941the bare minimum would bepalette - freepalette knife - 5 eurosa bottle of linseed oil, without anti-oxidants - 3-5 eubristle brush, at least 1, better 3 different sizes - 2-10 eubottle of acrylic gesso 5-25 euoil paint, at least zorn with some cheaper red, synthetic or red earth, like vinitian red or burned sienna - at least 20 eurosassuming you have glasses, cups, chairs at home for free.you can use 1 chair to sit on 1 as an easelyou need some flat stuff to paint on, wood, or paper or cardboard... anything acrylic gesso will stick to and it sticks to nearly anything, really.you can use linseed oil as a medium and to clean brushes, just dont add too much to your paint thats it, and if you can afford some decent oil paint and substrate, its enough to have fun and to produce paintings with good quality
>>7827954>at least zornif you dont know its ivory blacktitanium white and yellow ockerand cadmium red, but its very expensiveas i sad a red earth paint or a synthetic alternative can replace red cadadd ultramarine if you want to paint landscapes
>>7827956that's not zorn, it's a shitty approximation of it3/4 wrong pigments, cold white, colder red, warmer blackgreat way to frustrate a beginner with a shitty palette
>>7827960>>7827956>>7827954Thank you all, I'll be looking into this!
>>7827960its the apelles palette, a classical palette used for thousands of years, goes back to the cave man. zorn is the most used name.there is no right or wrong version. what i have listed is the best for a small budget.the temperature of the other 3 paints, doesent really matter that much, because titanium white produces very cold mixtures anyway.not perfect, but there is no cheap warm white out there. there is no cheap warm red eighterso next time try not to talk about stuff you have no idea about, retard
>>7827971>its the apelles palette, a classical palette used for thousands of yearsno it isn't, retard>there is no right or wrong versionyes there is and yours isn't right>the temperature of the other 3 paints, doesent really matter that muchstopped reading, you can't paint, probably the gypsy
>>7827954I sometimes cheap out and just buy some wood glue (the white stuff, PVA) and harvest wood panels and mdf from dumpsters.I cut it, sand it, coat it with slightly thinned down glue (thinned with water), give it a couple of coats but let dry inbetween applying. This is an easy way to make paintable panels and you can even use the panels as palette. I did some lovely paintings on panels that were scavenged like this, paintings that even sold.Keep your eyes open because people throw out a lot of stuff that can be painted on.
>>7827960It's a versatile palette no matter what pigment you use. As long as you put your main focus on values there's not much you can do wrong. Heck I would even suggest to just get white and any opaque dark colour and focus on monochromatic work if you begin. It's cheaper and even simpler.
>>7828059Monochrome is always going to give better results than a bad limited palette. Zorn absolutely needs a lead white
>>7828177>Zorn absolutely needs a lead whitethis is such a dumb take. Temperature is relative, there is no absolute cold or warm. You could pick out all "cold" pigments or all "warm" pigments and make a Zorn palette out of them, and they would both work. Sure, your "cold" Zorn palette will look different from Zorn's, and it will look very different from what The Old Masters(tm) did, but who cares? As long as you have a functional red/yellow/black/white, it will work.If you want to get uptight about palettes, then you should be serious about it and only use Zorn with true lead white and true vermillion red, but you're not gonna do that, are you?
>>7828192>hurr durr I'm retarded btwI said it absolutely needs a lead white, not vermilion. Go cope somewhere else, eurocuck.
>>7828177Really no need to stir shit about lead white all the time. Yes it may be one of the nicest white to work with but not for beginners because of toxicity and not even an option for some people because it is outlawed in some places. (like my stupid country)It's really not productive to be nitpicky about this stuff at this stage.
>>7827977>retardretard calling someone retard, ironic
>>7828289Ironically >>7827971 is the retard calling someone else a retard. Leadfag's right, your palette would need a cad orange or similar to offset the titanium, there's a reason all nuzorn figures look like shit.
Daily reminder none of you can paint.
I like cold colours though. But I guess if you want to mimic Rembrandt or something tit white will destroy ur shit.Would it help to apply a warm glaze afterwards?
>>7828340>there's a reason all nuzorn figures look like shit.Can you at least show us an example of a good figure and what about "nuzorn" figures look bad?
>>7828346prove it
>>7828349why is she so piglike in appearance?
>>7828362socioeconomic factors
>>7828340thats the price to pay for being poor, you retarded no/draw cunt, i gave anon the best advice possible, if he is not retarded, he will appreciate itp.s. stop theory fagging, post your work>>7828349>Would it help to apply a warm glaze afterwards?what for? you can just learn proper color mixingthe overall coldness of a titanium palette is less important, compared to local warm and cold contrastat a high level of portrait painting titanium will difinetly become a bottle neck as well as all the modern synthetic shit, that always has a cold bias. for high chroma portraits you will need lead white, cad red and cad orange, to hit all warm pinkish flesh tones needed. but those paints are expensive and not that easy to use.
>>7828362Snub nose>>7828371To offset the coldness when u dont have lead white. Or maybe its rather the chalkiness that always bothers me? Idk. Im a messy retard so im afraid to use lead white as it will get everywhere.
>>7828371>i gave anon the best advice possible*for a paintlet gypsy to provide>p.s. stop theory faggingyou know everyone knows who you are, right?lol
>>7828375>To offset the coldness when u dont have lead white.you could, but it will not make your art substantially better. relative relationships between tone and color are more important, than the objective color or value of the painting.>>7828382does anyone know who you are, besides the obvious, a retard?
>>7828389you can't paint for shit lol
>>7827764I remember you from like half a year ago. Maybe more. You haven't progressed at all anon.Like, get all the loomis and gurney books and just go trough them. For fuck sake.
>>7828392im the best painter you ever encountered
>>7828408you will never be brian
>>7828406nta, but what's the point in adding>For fucks sakeother than for vanity, to make sure OP sees your annoyance? it's just not necessary if you want to give meaningful advice.
>>7828411Shut the FUCK up, nerd.
>>7828409may none of us ever become Brian
>>7828412make me
Painted a coffeepot and put it in a cheap frame, things tend to look a little nicer even with a simple frame.
>>7828900eh, honestly the sloppy frame just compounds on the sloppy paintingnice values on the bottom half, though
>>7828900c'est un chien
>>7828940l'image
>>7828900>things tend to look a little nicer even with a simple frameyes, i would say so
>>7828940>>7828941This isn't Canada, speak English
>>7828943mais, c'est 4channel, bien sur
>another lead white meltdown*sigh*when are you guys going to get over this weird hangup already? its just white paint after all and it’s been phased out due to health and environmental concerns. you dont NEED some random toxic sludge in 2025 just because dead old white guys used it way back when. please grow as people
>>7829019pyw
Swedish people aren't white
>>7829019>you don't NEED foreskin, fellow goyim, it's been phased out for hygienecan't wait for you cattle to get shipped to ukraine
>>7829029Yes, they are actually, they are Finno-Ugric.
>>7829043that's a linguistic classification
>>7829051Whiteness is a coloristic classification, then.
Complete noob at painting here, what paint brushes do I buy?
>>7829069so not ancestry, then
>>7829077No.
>>7829043here are your white people, bro
>>7829075How do you want to paint?
damn, it feels good being a white finno-ugric man
>>7829085People and landscape
Netanyahu is white
>>7829089If you want to paint thick use bristle. If you want to paint smooth, plastic.
>>7829090>>7829087>>7829083>>7829029Have you eaten lead white, again?
>>7828936>>7828940>>7828942T-thanks guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdAkc3qXs6M
>>7829589You know everyone can tell you masturbate to these, right?
How can i have some fun with shit tier acrylics?
>>7829937go to an overpass and dump them out on cars below
>>7820951why is this general so shitty and hostile?/beg/ is a fucking circlejerk and this thread is like a minefield. can't you faggots just post work, be constructively critical or stfu?i don't even wanna post work here because even if there's something constructive to be said it's not worth being subjected to needless hostility. i could just go to my local atelier and get advice far more useful from artists way better than anybody in this thread acting like an art god
>>7830317>local atelierthey probably don’t even use lead white
>>7830317I tried to make something of this thread, I posted my work three times, try to provide practical feedback but it just gets drowned out by some schizos.>161 replies >28 images Says quite enough about the state of this thread.Not sure what's next for /trad/, maybe I'll just keep trying to contribute in a way that I think is valuable and hope for the best.
>>7830317>why is this general so shitty and hostile?It's basically 1 single toxic retard from Holland or Finland, who gets drunk and shits up the thread all the time.
>>7830317>/beg/gie successfully gatekept from threadWorking as intended
>>7820951the new captchas are cooking me ngl brosis anybody else really enamored with the imagery of scandinavian/eastern european towns? discovering amanita design games validated that aesthetic for me, a lot of new england looks just like that stuff, towns that are built on top of another town and every building has a different architectural style (at least the good parts of new england that arent shithole cities or mcmansion infested suburbs)
>>7831390It does not look like an east european town.>the new captchas are cooking me ngl brosNo more 4chan posting under 85 iq, sorry sweetheart, its a measurement against aishitter
>>7831390Try this aesthetic.
>>7831416soul>>7831390soulless
>>7831418>soulBrian, its time to stop this cope, being a perma-pre-beg is the opposite of soul.
>>7831421when was the last time you dared post your slop, gypsy?
>>7831423All the time, sweetie.
>>7831412Your critique of my oil painting is that it doesn’t look Eastern European? Are you retarded?
>>7831426you are a pussy who got put in its place so much you've all but given up trying to get validation through your art and instead doubled down on trying to bring others down to your levelsad
>>7831418this guys critique is "it shouldve been a painting of something totally different instead" yeah ur retarded
>>7831427>Your critique of my oil painting is that it doesn’t look Eastern European?Exactly, you need to study more fundis.>>7831428Projecting much, nodraw?I dominate every thread i post in, art is a sport and i am a roided out third worlder.
>>7831437I can't even fathom how much it would hurt to be an academic larper and still get mogged by brian shitting out 3 paintings per dayjust remember suicide is always an option
>>7831440>to be an academic larper and still get mogged by brian shitting out 3 paintings per dayKeep my larping out of your mouth, mister.
>>7831447oof
What's the most unga bunga grog paint cave medium out there? Pastels?I unironically want something where I can just go ook ook and paint by intuition
>>7831463buy watercolors if u wanna feel like a true r tard
>>7831464Watercolors are high IQ, I aspire to be an actual troglodyte
>>7831447Oof you didn't check enough.
>>7831463oils pastels for me desu, a get in, get dirty, and get out where i vaguely lose my mind and walk away with an ugly painting but had fun anyways.
>>7831647I know, it's a wip, I'm fixing it right now.
Tried to use the plumb line for the first time, but maybe i did something wrong or my hands are too shaky. But i cant bring it to rest, when holding it with an outstretched arm.Mounted the line on a tripod, remeasured it again and i was way off while holding it by hand.Happens all the time, i need definitely more discipline in the early stages.
>>7831683Bad luck, there's an underground current influencing the magnetic field, you're gonna have to move or use a rigid T-rod.
>>7831683...you're the guy that gets cramps from mixing paint, aren't you?
>>7831693Will they check my 4chan massages, before letting me in? If so, i dont think they will.>>7831695I mean i remember such a conversation taking place, a time ago. But now i think you will try to make a thing out of it, or something. Its not 1945 anymore, im not used to hold my arm outstretched in front of me.I mean its literally a pendulum, it takes the smallest amount of movement to make it swing. I mean, you have to hold it for a minute or more to make it stop swinging in the first place, which is already very tiresome.
>>7831712>3/4 sentences start with "I mean"you'd be better off drinking some milk than making excuses for being dysfunctionally feeble, just saying
>>7831724I mean, thanks for looking out for me (not that anon, btw)
>>7831683you don't need a plumb line. Just use a skewer to hold like a normal person.
>>7831734I think i will, i just need to buy one. Prier i used a pencil, its too thick, but it does not swing, at least. Something thin and rigid should work better.
>>7831463gouache
a la gauche
>>7831683You need to be standing in exactly the same spot every time for this to work. A plumber line is easier to use with a print like bargue plates, I recommend you do that first, to train your eyes a bit more before you actually do a cast drawing.
>>7832469>plumber line
>>7832469what this guy says. Some people mark the floor with tape where their feet are so they can come back to the same position through the days.
>>7832469>train your eyes a bit more before you actually do a cast drawingPost your work.>>7832588That's a little bit excessive, proper measurement is much more important.
>>7832642>proper measurement is much more important.agreed>That's a little bit excessive it's a little trick that helps you out, everyone does this at schools and ateliers. As a noob, you can use all the help you can get. Once you get good at finding your mark, you don't need this anymore
>>7832642>Post your work.Here ye go
>>7820951>(You).jpgWhy do the figures look like drawn by Michelangelo?Most pen and ink drawings, even pretty modern ones, are always drawn very manneristic, why is it so?
>>7832896You forgot the reflection, which defines this heterosexual man's mighty ass cheeks. Its present on the Bargues plates.
>>7834505I didn't forget them they just disappeared on the photo.
>>7834521>just disappeared on the photoSure thing, m8.
mm-hmm I sure do love not painting
>>7836045mm-hmm and criticizing all those who do paint
>>7836170perfect christmas, ngl
Merry Christmas
>>7836719>ChristmasJust two more weeks, son.
>>7836739What will you paint with all that time?
>>7836742Nude Hellenistic deities, probably.
>>7836754>Nude Hellenistic deitiesOnly males, of course, I'm not a pervert or anything.
>>7836754>>7836758are there other kinds?
>>7836772Other kinds of what?
Would anyone mind redlining the head / face on this? Or at least telling me what's fucked on it? I painted this as a gift for a friend and feel like the head looks terrible but I've gone over it several times and can't see the solution anymore
>>7836955wanted to give it an effort after all, being christmas and allthe ear crowding the face bothers me and makes the perspective look wrong, but I can't tell if it's meant to because animubut yeah, it's the drawing
Got acrylic markers for christmas, very silly, super opaque, color pencils work well as long as the pencil has more value than the acrylic, otherwise they dont show up well enough.A layer of white acrylic can be used thinly as to subtract the value without making it all white.Thanku for comin to my vido lik and subcrib
>>7836988Thanks anon, appreciate the crit. I'll take a look at fixing that as much as I can before sending it out (I just have to strip the varnish cause I jumped the gun on that)
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>>7837347his wrist is bigger than his shouldernigga got hit on the back of the skull with a baseball batmerry xmas
>>7837381forgot to addchair perspective super wonky
>>7837381>>7837383Yeah, you’re right on all of these. Im still learning perspective, drawing people in chairs is hard
>>7837425kek merry christmas bro, I'm just messing around. I haven't painted/drawn in like 2 weeks, so kudos to you for showing up and doing the work
>>7837432Lmao merry Christmas to you too, I really do appreciate the honesty though, since that’s what this website is for. >kudos to you for showing upI’m at it day in and out. It’s just so fun to me
>>7837219Now draw a piece.
uwu
>>7837451I like everything about this except the really bright (high value) yellow rings around the eyes.
>>7837489>I like everything about this except the really bright (high value) yellow rings around the eyes.Well that's because you're gay- and not the good fashion/decor taste kind just the butt pirate kind.
>>7837489>I like everything about thisyou're gay
>>7837450you DARE ask me to DRAW?????ok tell me what to draw, and it better be funny!
>>7838392dude the face doesnt look human
>>7838738It's a goddess.
>>7838752Not him, but you went full retard on the blocking, she looks like those hentai memes of girls squished into cubes and the sloppy values just further hurt the form of the cast.I also just don't understand what you were going for in general, there's no effort reflected in either the values or the hatching, it looks like you blocked in the cast, got bored and just slopped your way through to get it over with. If you're bored with a study, step away, do something else and come back to it later. Studies need effort, use a sketchbook for the loose stuff
>>7838392Neat
>>7823943your brushstrokes are really bad
>>7838392its not getting better. you made your mistakes too early on and committed to unnecessary rendering before being correct. its over for this piece throw it out and start over
everyone in this thread sucks
>>7839652you're in this thread, therefore you suck, therefore opinion discarded
I drew a demon :3
>>7839658He is just a nodraw tourist.
>>7839647I dunno what you mean.
>>7839276I have no idea what you are talking about.>>7839625Thx.>>7839650>you made your mistakesRedline the mistakes.
>>7839678His Schwanz looks like a limp sausage, no sack eighter. You shall study the subject better.
>>7839903>totally wood
Im switching to soft materials. As the Latin guy said, the French used the stump anyway.I think i will end my little drawing arc soon and go back to the main quest and start paining with oil again.
>>7839914Why stop drawing tho? You can literally do both at the same time.
>>7839995Because drawing is for spergs and I'm a chad.
>>7840106>Because drawing is for spergswhat made you come to that conclusion?
>>7840115>It’s the battle between antique and modern genius. M. Ingres belongs in many respects to the heroic age of the Greeks; he is perhaps more of a sculptor than a painter; he occupies himself exclusively with line and form, purposefully neglecting animation and colour […] M. Delacroix, in contrast, willfully sacrifices the rigours of drawing to the demands of the drama he depicts; his manner, less chaste and reserved, more ardent and animated, emphasizes the brilliance of colour over the purity of line.>After dinner, holding in his hand a cupful of coffee, he brusquely went up to Eugene Delacroix, who was standing by the fire, and said to him: “Drawing, sir, drawing is honesty! Drawing, sir, drawing is honor!” In his agitation the cup of coffee capsized and poured over his shirt and waistcoat. He seized his hat in a fury… “This is too much! I shall go; I will not let myself be insulted any longer.”
>>7839995Probably I can, but with a lot less emphasis on it. I'm talking specifically about serious drawing, with measuring and all that, which is quite time-consuming.
>>7840119>one guy obsessed with drawing is a sperg, therefore caring about drawing even to a moderate degree is spergyc'est (pas) logique!
>>7839914you truly are retarded
>>7840347Why so mad, Brian?
Do you guys think I should try coloring this with colored inks? Would the heavy shadows even look good with color?
>>7840755I don't care either way, but if you're curious, try it out. if you want to reserve the original, just make a trace copy
>>7840755A flat wash would work.
Dios mio, amigos.
>>7842477Looks good. Just work on values. Darkening your darks and lightening your lights
>>7842477Perspective looks a bit messed up. I noticed this initially on the left cheekbone compared to the right.Should've done more drawing.
fat boy
>>7842590You just gave me an idea...
>>7842503Thx.>Darkening your darks and lightening your lightsThat's a good idea, actually.>>7842588>Perspective looks a bit messed upIt is.>Should've done more drawing.I will have done it, Brian.
