uh... bros...? The animation industry is... doing great.... right...? W-we're all gonna make it... right...?
>>7821403Why would you want to get into one of the most overworked and underpaid industries out there.When you can just make fan or nsfw animations at home and earn way more with way less work.
>>7821405Tsmt. I don't know why anyone here thinks getting into any art industry is a good idea. The dream died 40 years ago.
>>7821405>fan or nsfw animations at home and earn way more with way less workshouldn't it be overrun by aijeets by now
>>7821414rent free
>>7821403'fraid not
>>7821414how? the people that are going to be most affected by ai are people with corporate jobs where they weren't really making creative decisions to begin with in an industry that was already declining. i have several freelance friends who have seen a slight dip in sales that could easily be attributed to the economy OR no change at all.these people have lines out the door of repeat clients that go to them because they get a piece made *by them*. they're not just there because they want a picture; they also want to support an artist they care about. we may eventually see a wave of ai "artists" that capture a similar experience for their customers through heavy use of custom workflows and a proper development of taste, but an equivalent experience doesn't exist yet with 99% of them writing bullshit into a text box and praying for a decent output. plenty of artists that are learning the craft properly and who are starting out can still build a similar base of loyal customers from scratch even in the current climate with ai accounted for. the customers they want are the ones that want to have the experience of working with someone to make something with their idea. it's like comparing going to a hibachi restaurant to ordering food through ubereats: one allows you to see and even be involved in how your food is made (for a price fit for the spectacle), while the other is wading through an ocean of options that may or may not be misrepresenting themselves, having it delivered by a third party who has no idea what the food even is, and receiving a cold pile of slop that's missing things you asked for, all while the person that delivered it is blaming the app for the mistake and what's missing. there's no real comparison, and they may as well be two different industries.
>>7821459>? the people that are going to be most affected by ai are people with corporate jobs where they weren't really making creative decisionThose people are usually high enough on the corporate ladder to not get replaced. But they make decisions to replace others.
>>7821403No, the animation industry is doing terribly, being extremely competitive to the point that you not likely to get work - frankly, the 60%> rate surprised me, because from everything I've heard, it's lower than that still.Regardless, I think the state of the industry isn't just the fault of the suits to green light and cancel things, but the industry animators themselves as well. We have stories like Don Bluth who got sick of Disney's shit, and went with some friends to make his own studio and made several films and has become an industry legend...These modern animators? Bitch about things perpetually, and if you do make their 'own' project, it's via someone else studio and work force (most likely the Australian studio, Glitch), rather than your own efforts.A lot of people give Viziepop (or whatever she's called) shit for being cringe, but she actually put her foot forward and made her own studio, and her own stuff. These perpetually whinging faggots don't deserve anything.They want all the rewards without any risk, handed to them on a cushioned platter - well fuck them.
>>7821454>do not compete with me!oh, ok
>>7821403the animation industry has been dead for 20 years and only something like 10% of art school graduates work in art, and it's been that way for like 40 years nowlurk before posting, nigger
>>7821403There's an animation industry? I thought it died a longtime ago, most companies hire cheap chinks
>>7821608I say that's an even larger problem that affects many countries; why are we so tolerant of "American Companies" not hiring Americans, or European Companies not hiring Europeans, etc.That shit should cause immediate boycotting, and yet we've just been accepting it for so fucking long.
>>7821593>VivziepopA lot of the online hatred for her comes off as extremely performative and stems from jealously of her success, because she's able to tell a story (despite it's jarring quality) with decently competent designs; unlike those who complain about her don't have anything worth showing.
>>7821623I hate her because she animates Ao3 fujo fics with bad music, thirteen year old levels of swearing and fetished faggotry but I acknowledge her talent in stealing Loona's design from one of her fans and praise her beating the odds by being born into money.
>>7821459I didn't read your shit post. Use capital letters zoomer scum.
>>7821647I'm not a zoomer, but feel free to eat stone soup. I don't give a shit.
>>7821459Most naive shit ever writtenSeriously, go outside, life is not rainbowns and unicorns
>>7821801>"here's the experience of people i know who are seeing success in the space despite the current headwinds, as well as my take on why. let's have a discussion about it.">touch grass, retardnever change, /ic/
>>7821403Holy shit it's over
>>7821834disney was already losing, but this will be the nail in the coffin.
>>7821834They don't even know if AI really can be used to make anything decent in animation, so why on earth would they be willing to bet this hard into it, and dilute their brands so badly?There's that AI feature film coming out ("Critterz", I think it's called?), and if you've seen the short... well, it doesn't look good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qdx6VBJHBUHollywood waited for Toystory to see if 3D was a valid movie making tool and essentially having the entire industry glom onto it and abandon 2D animation - but we haven't had a single good example of "AI animation", and yet they're throwing billions at it?... Morons!Anyway, I would be surprised if we really do see the complete collapse and bankruptcy of Disney in our life times. They're just so incompetent.
>>7821921To be fair that short was 2+ years ago. That's a long time when it comes to AI improvements. Especially Sora2 is crazy.
>>7821925The core issue of all the clips being small and strangely disconnected still seems to be a massive issue, I somehow doubt the movie industry has improved upon that, though I guess we'll see when that movie comes out.This isn't even getting into the artifacts and general 'weirdness' that these ai videos tend to have. They may have gotten better, but they're by no means good yet (if they'll ever be).
>>7821646>I hate her because she animates Ao3 fujo fics with bad music, thirteen year old levels of swearing and fetished faggotrythis is why I love her personally
>>782140360% employment rate is surprising, not because of the state of the industry or AI, but because most of the art school graduates I've meet weren't capable enough to wipe their own ass
>>7822147AnimSchool is pretty rigorous with its standards. From what I hear it's not uncommon for students to have to retake the earliest classes multiple times before they get a passing grade.
>>7822195Rigor on an American school?You gotta be trolling.Even top serious stuff like med graduates can't wipe their own butts.American education is basically a massive grift.People would "learn more" by pirating a course from the mega here
>>7822195... and all that work to get a job in animation, sheesh
>>7822203It's an online school and many of their teachers work remote internationally. My teachers so far have been from Canada and Australia.>>7822224Any desirable job is going to take work to get. It's not like you can just "get" a stable, cushy desk job by making eye contact and giving a firm handshake alone.
>>7822232>It's an online schoolIn their website they say they are located in 3585 N University Ave #225 Provo, Utah 84604
>>7822236That's their headquarters, the classes are all via zoom
>>7822232>Any desirable job is going to take work to getI'mma be straight with you, animator is a passion job, it's a shit job by any other metric
>>7822310>inside>AC>sitting downif only you knew how bad things really were
>>7821646You aren't owed le deep and mature cartoons faggot. glad she made it while you cried about her with zero animations under your belt like a loser.
>>7821414Can't speak for 100% original animated porn but even before AI nsfw fanart/anim was kind of protected by the fact that it's very easy to tell who actually likes the show/relationship and who is just doing it for money/FOTM exposure. There is a female gaze-y character/eros lost in nsfw fanworks by non-fans and AI is no better at it. >>7821623She living the dream so it's hard not to be a little asspained about her.
>>7822310Doing what you love, a clear desirable end product so you feel like your efforts are actually leading to something, good work conditions as >>7822419 pointed out, working with other like minded people. The only issues I can see is possibly long hours and less than desirable pay....Well that, and how western animators are actually contracted - usually being per show (or even season) rather than by the studio as a permanent employee, which usually means there's long periods of no work as you wait to be employed by another show (or another season of a show you were already contracted to), which is partially what's causing problems right now.But desirable jobs were always competitive, so this is all kind of a mute point.
>>7821646lol
>WAAAAAAAAAH HIRE ME HIRE ME I SPENT MONEY AND CAN POLISH TURDS >NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST EVALUATE MY EMPLOYABILITY ON SUBJECTIVE TERMS ART HAS RULES OF SOMETHING AND IS LIKE NOT USELESS>NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HIRE LESS PEOPLE EVERYONE KNOWS MORE PEOPLE BETTER ART
>Using Chinese Made Phone>Wearing Indonesian made clothes>Drives Korean Made Car>Watches Japanese made Media>"WAAAAAH!! Why are there no manufacturing or production jobs in my country!? Grrr, this is the fault of the CEOs and big corporation!"It's fine to critique or even hate the media produced by Hollywood or where your country is, but to applaud the collapse of the local industry (like so many seem to) and gloat about how you consume media from other countries because it's 'sooo much better' seems boarding on suicidal. Do you hate your own culture, your own country so much? Rather than the collapse of the industry, you should be trying to CHANGE the industry.
>>7821403animation graduates hiring rates have always been pretty bad because most people leaving these schools still leave as begs who learned they never actually liked drawing but only stuck with it so their parents think they're doing something with their lives
>>7821646stunning and brave
>>7822449>You aren't owedstopped reading there
>>7823377I feel like those rooting for the collapse don't understand that the "rebirth" they want, if it ever happens, will not be anytime soon. We have years if not decades of "actively combat slop and slop creators/consumers or it wins for a very long time" ahead of us. The good news is that if it wins we all have plenty of time to get through our backlogs. Shame about the local jobs though.
>>7823377no one cares or really understands the consequences of the globohomo economic system. its a form of cultural genocide. an invasive parasite the people gleefully accept
>>7821921Their Toy Story is all the “fake Sora Pixar trailers” on YouTube shorts.
i had some hope going into '25 now that everyone is sick of 3d and WB was actually making 2d films again (and not releasing them...) but this merger has me thinking it's over over.
>>7821602Well it's not competition anon it's just that if the art school mill isn't enough to get you a guaranteed hire anymore then don't invest. Like it's better to make your """"thesis"""" film on your own time instead of spending your silver at a school doing the same thing(if I were you though I'd look into community college for courses, it's cheap at least, I never got hired mind you but I spent pennies in comparison so I didnt regret it)
>>7821921Their investment in AI is honestly just a bait for Wall Street investment, Defunctland on Youtube did a recent vid touching on this but TL;DW them investing in AI looks good to investors and they work with Nvidia to make their dumb Star Wars androids too. It's all fake it to make it
>>7823529>PicrelI'd argue McDonalds is a little different, same with all similar franchisee systems, in that the business is still owned by the person who opened that particular store, and because of this, they usually order their ingredients locally.They're not as good as a single family owned restaurant, but at least it's not just some corporate affair (despite appear so because of how franchisee's having to follow the corporate manual). It also means the majority of the money earned by the store stays within the area and country.Of course, you may still see it as a cultural invasion of sorts, and I can't argue against that, but it's still a lesser evil than say; amazon, which will just siphon the money from your country, destroy your local businesses and industries, destroy jobs, and really benefit your country in no way besides cheaper tatt. But Yes, we should be pushing against the globohomo system far more. Really, it should be expected that any company that wishes to sell in said country, should produce their things IN said country, on at least on the continent - otherwise they're just parasiting the wealth from the country they're selling to, and for what?... like ten jobs made? It's just not worth it.
>>7823377It's not American men's fault that their country is being ruled by sociopath Jews and tyrannical feminist women who have no merit or acknowledgements other than hating on all males.It's understandable why they want USA to collapse, full stop.Why do you expect the same men who get mocked and marginalized upon to fix the mess idiot women made?
>>7821646>I acknowledge her talent in stealing Loona's design from one of her fans and praise her beating the odds by being born into money.She's such an inspiration, I wish I was born rich.
>>7821921You guys are thinking like artists, but you have to think like a business owner to understand why Disney made that investment into AI.>>7823873>Their investment in AI is honestly just a bait for Wall Street investmentThis anon gets it, this is the same bullshit move that Toei animation pulled a few months ago.
>>7824698>"you have to think like a business owner to understand why Disney made that investment into AI.">They invested ONE BILLION WITH A FUCKING "B" to flirt with Wall Street.Seriously? Even if I turn my business brain on... that still seems super retarded.Maybe they're trying some risky bet shit with this investment, but given the state of the company, and a lot of Hollywood at the moment, they shouldn't be taking risks and trying to play it safe and CUT costs.... So I'm still going to say this shit confuses me.But hey, if Disney gets damaged or wiped out with the possible AI bubble bursting, it'll only make me smile, so whatever.
>>7825710you need to understand that the current economic model for ai is entirely speculative. the actual utility is incredibly low, but there is a circle jerk of money being used to prop up the 'promise' of it being good enough one day in the future. It's a self propagating meta economy, not a commodity/supply-demand economy with actual tangible use for normal people. They are circulating money in a version of the economy that you need to make 8 figures to be allowed to participate in. And there will be no room for you if they get their way.
>>7825710>Seriously? Even if I turn my business brain on... that still seems super retarded.>Maybe they're trying some risky bet shit with this investment, but given the state of the company, and a lot of Hollywood at the moment, they shouldn't be taking risks and trying to play it safe and CUT costs.>... So I'm still going to say this shit confuses me.you are thinking "businessman with something to lose" still, not "middle manager with a golden parachute"the point is the same as all the games that try to become the next fortnite even tho its a market niche that's already occupied and trying to compete with it would balloon development and support costs way upits the promise of infinite money, its a pascal's wager for executives, if the new investment thing keeps exponentially growing forever, every dollar you dont put into it is money lost you wont ever get, so there's no price too large for limitless growth, you'll make it all back if it works out
>>7825710Anon, Elon Musk himself supposedly got a 1 TRILLION DOLLAR package from his board of Tesla investors even though the companys own value(speculative mind you) is just in hundreds of billions at best. its all just words on paper. Disney aint giving out a billion in cash here, when Disney says something like that its basically the equivalent of making a business deal and ending it with a handshake. Like dont be surprised if this whole AI thing doesnt work out they pull out and pretend this shit never happened
>>7821403If it makes anyone feel better, everyone is fucked.
