sign me up!

>>7831762
Literally every hobby. Not sure why people think you have to be amazing right with art or can't be happy at a level they're capable of reaching. We all know we'renot going to be fucking Beethoven, but that doesn't stop people from learning a few useful chords and having fun with a guitar. I'm not going to run a five star restaurant, but I have a few recipes I can do at moment's notice.

>>7831858
There are many hobbies that are fun from the start

>>7831869
This board will just tell you that those hobbies are garbage. Contrarian as always

>>7831762
>A "hobby" where you suck dick for 1 000 hours at the start and never feel an ounce of dopamine

That's certainly not art. A lot of us have our start in it because while we "suck dick" at it in the start the dopamine we get from our improvement or best pieces keeps us going.

I don't know what hobby you could be thinking about that would actually be this way I'm guessing something like finance but that's more of a job and not a hobby.

>>7831762
maybe you should stop sucking dicks

>>7831858
Most hobbies are in fact nothing like that, you shut in retard

i suck dick and feel dopamine even after 10 000 hours

>>7831762
Tards like you dont actually enjoy creating things. You just want to be immediately good so you can have your ego stroked.

>>7831979
how good are you at this point?

>>7832003
If I were to write a book called "Fun With a Penis", I'd be considered the Andrew Loomis of gobbling knob.

>>7831972
So you're doing art and you hate it? Why?

>>7831869
Furthermore what does fun have to do with it? An activity can be satisfying without having the ease of a smooth difficulty curve. I have fun with videogames because they're designed to give you a slight challenge to overcome. I like art because it's a great challenge to overcome. You faggots just cannot stop complaining about drawing.

>>7832012
might I pay for a private lesson?

>>7832025
I'm not doing it as a hobby, nor have I said I hate it, nigger.
Go bowling, golfing, hiking, kayaking, play pool, darts, poker and 99% of hobbies and compare how little proficiency matters to the enjoyment of it compared to drawing

>>7831762
>hates art but forces it anyway and complains about it
I don't know what it is about art but it attracts so many retards like you. if you arent having fun from the beginning youre just doing it because you like the fantasy of being an "artist" and the attention you'd get

>>7831762
Pretty amazing feat to suck 1000 hours of dick and never have a drop of semen touch your lips

>>7831762
This could be said for any hobby where you are building a skill; Music, writing, acting, so on and so forth.
If you find it that unbearable, stop trying to produce, just consume; make your hobby movie watching, or playing video games, or reading, or something along the lines.

>>7831885
Bullshit, I haven't seen that once, and I've seen a lot of knuckle dragging, contrarian, false, overly aggressive, bullshit posts on this board.

>>7832046
If you're not doing art as a hobby why are you comparing with things you consider hobbies? I'm sure someone who comes to bowling with the mindset that a consistent progression of skill towards being a top professional is the only goal probably has a shitty time. And other than hiking every hobby you mentioned has tryhards who take it to a level where it's no longer about simple fun and even hiking has weird rucksackers who take it too far. We make our own misery, man, and a lot of the time we end up cheerleaders for our misery as well.

>>7831762
It’s not a hobby, it’s a vocation.
If you aren’t being called to it, then don’t bother.

>>7831858
No, drawing is actually just that different.
Now granted I’m an extreme talentlet at drawing. If you’re talented then ymmv. But I’ve seen enough people struggle with drawing, in ways that they don’t with other skills, to come to the conclusion that there actually is just something different about drawing, even after accounting for talent.
There are many other hobbies and skills that are fun from day 1, and where you can start seeing small but meaningful results right away. The skill curve in drawing is absolutely fucking brutal. There are few others skills where such intense effort is demanded for even middling results.

>>7831869
drugs?

>>7832183
dumb nigger

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>Another beginner thread

>>7832226
People generally leave the board when they stop being beginners

>>7832227
I think they leave to even become beginners

>>7832227
>>7832229
All the draw threads such as the /dtiys/ threads prove otherwise - not that either of you nodraw faggots have ever clicked on, or contributed, to such a thread.

>>7832232
>t. guy who posts in the draw threads and is really totally not a beginner guys >:(

>>7832232
>/adv/s come to board to flex
>means /beg/s have a reason to come to this crab bucket
aight

>>7832213
Man, the internet used to be fucking fun. I used to scribble shit on message boards for shits and giggles. I don't see how that's different than going to a bowling alley and fucking around with friends. Eventually I decided I'd like to see if I can see how far my aptitude can take me, which comes with more challenges and less immediate victories. No one is an ideal learner who always sees the forest for the trees and never has moments of despair, but did you not realize that drawing is the convergence of a lot of separate skills early on?

>>7832223
Good point, I now retract all objections to OP's opinion

>>7832233
>t. nodraw faggot
begs post in those threads all the time, and maybe I'm one of them? Not that you'd ever know that, since you've probably never been in such a thread before.

>>7832235
>"NOOOOO, someone better than me posted an image, now I'm so discouraged"
Not as bad as the faggot above, but you're still acting like one.
Do you even like art? Shouldn't you be inspired and encouraged by seeing good drawings?
Or is it that you think /adv/s shouldn't be allowed to have fun and post their work?...
Sorry Anons who put in the work and have gotten good, you're now no longer allowed to join any threads besides figure study threads - we wouldn't want to discourage weak willed /beg/s, now would we?

>>7832241
I'm not sure if we really disagree. It's true, the internet was a lot more fun in the 00s when I was a kid and I was just fucking around. I had my own webcomic where I would proudly publish my MS Paint scribbles. Didn't matter how bad they were, I was just happy to be creating something and sharing it with people.

But people grow up and things change and eventually it's time to get serious. I want to create real art, something that people of discriminating taste will actually enjoy and be inspired by. And when your skills aren't enough to live up to your goals, it's painful.

>>7832250
>>"NOOOOO, someone better than me posted an image, now I'm so discouraged"
Excellent trivialization, my guy!
You have to be blind to not see the constant dissonance on this board.
>loomis
>LOOOMIS HEAD LMAO
>construction
>CONSTRUCTIONLETS BTFO
>books books books
>"books are shit, actually"
>here are some gud youtube channels:
Seriously? What's next, tiktok advice for drawing? Actual one way ticket to brainrot central.
>Y'all Got Anymore of brushes/resources/pdfs/refs?? Hoard hoard hoard
So is a /beg/ supposed to gain anything out of this? How? When you're able to draw you can see past the bait and dunnings, but before then it's like looking for gold in a septic tank.
>Do you even like art?
Yes, actually. Not sure if that's relevant, but contrary to OP's "story" I got my work reposted within the second week of drawing on 4chan. "Dopamine hit" within 10 hours of grind. It was kinda bad, but someone liked it. Being appreciated is not about quality.

>>7832272
1/2
>"Excellent trivialization, my guy!"
>/adv/s come to board to flex
>loomis
>LOOOMIS HEAD LMAO
>construction
>CONSTRUCTIONLETS BTFO
>books books books
>"books are shit, actually"
>here are some gud youtube channels:
>"Excellent trivialization, my guy!"
Well, if I'm trivializing things, you can call me Kettle, Mr.Pot.

>You have to be blind to not see the constant dissonance on this board.
>Seriously? What's next, tiktok advice for drawing? Actual one way ticket to brainrot central.
I don't think tick-toc would do much damage to your brain, because you apparently need this spelt out to you; Each Anon on this site... is a different person!... Shocking I know. This means they each have different opinions and approaches towards drawing, and where do they share these differing opinions? Why here on the FUCKING DRAWING BOARD.

>>7832334
2/2
>So is a /beg/ supposed to gain anything out of this? How? When you're able to draw you can see past the bait and dunnings, but before then it's like looking for gold in a septic tank.
>Y'all Got Anymore of brushes/resources/pdfs/refs?? Hoard hoard hoard
You answer yourself, or do you resources are actually bad? But beyond the resources, yes, there is actually good advice often to be found on this board, and interesting discussion about happenings on the art scene
>B-b-but the bait and dunning!?
And? This is a website for adults - mostly borderline retarded adults, but still adults - so why should we have to hold their hand and tell them what's good and bad advice. Have some faith in your fellow man to make some decent decisions for themselves and separate the wheat from the chaff. A lot of good drawing advice isn't one size fits all, and a lot of it needs to be discarded for something else.
And if someone is stupid enough to believe everything they read on the internet without much scrutiny... well that's punishment for being naughty and going onto an adult site too soon, they can come back when they're 18.

> I got my work reposted within the second week of drawing on 4chan.
So what's this bullshit about discouraging other anons then? If you truly believed that, you wouldn't have posted your work here, and it sounds like you would have gotten a fair amount of encouragement from that repost.
So on what bases are you saying

>>7832335
>So on what bases are you saying
If some /beg/ comes to this board attempting to get better they will be faced with this cacophony of noise. Each post has a coinflip chance of being outright bait. So when you say that good people post here too, I have to remind you that they most likely didn't get gud on /ic/.

>hoarding resources
procrastination
>youtube
that site does not foster education
>videos in general
very easy to slide into passive observing and never moving a pen
>dab
hindu shit, good if you want to draw lopsided boxes
And these are just examples, not an exhaustive list, of bad habits that can be inadvertently picked up here.

>So what's this bullshit about discouraging other anons then?
Where did I discourage? I claim this board is shit for improving, especially at the start. Maybe you're misattributing some posts to me.

>>7831762
If you cant find enjoyment in its activity by itself you should just go find a different hobby

>>7832213
>But I’ve seen enough people struggle with drawing, in ways that they don’t with other skills, to come to the conclusion that there actually is just something different about drawing, even after accounting for talent.
People really put drawing on a pedestal for some reason. Music and programming aren't any less creatively and intellectually demanding than drawing. I like and have always liked drawing, not other things. There isn't a time I can remember where I didn't like drawing.
Not trying to blackpill anybody, but if something is boring you to death for years and you hate every minute of it...well you tell me what that means.

>>7832365
>Where did I discourage?
Okay, I think I see where we're butting heads, I'm interpreting this:
>/adv/s come to board to flex
>means /beg/s have a reason to come to this crab bucket
To mean that /adv/s are flexing on the /beg/s, and are thus chasing them off.

The rest of the stuff I'll have to disagree with you on.
Sure, a new artist may get lost with all the conflicting information, but that would happen with any art site where anyone can post.
Sure, someone can hoard and procrastinate, but I'm studying from material I got from this board right now, and I'm sure most would find the materials helpful rather than just something to hoard.

But like I said, this board is only useful if you're willing to show restraint and buckle down and parse the information you're getting - honestly, it's the same with art books too; there are various differing methods for learning to draw the figure, and not every single method is going to work for you, which is why we see so many threads complaining about 'constructoids'. There's (likely) nothing with the "construction" methods they were trying to learn, it just didn't click for them and they should try something else.
Likewise, much of the information here may not click for you, but it may be great for someone else... of course there is a lot of bullshit here too, but that's to be expected on any internet forum.
Much the same is true for pretty much any site with people teaching art - even youtube. There's plenty of bullshit advice, but also those giving great advice, that may or may not work for you.

The way you learnt isn't the one true method to learn art, and the way you draw is not the only way to do so. For someone else, finding their paths to learning and eventually their own method is part of the process, but the paths and methods not taken aren't wrong.

...And that's why "Just Draw" is actually the best and only advice and anyone who disagrees is an idiot!

>>7832385
>To mean that /adv/s are flexing on the /beg/s, and are thus chasing them off.
Read my post again. It says: just because good artists post their works in /dtis/ does not mean a beginner can get tangible help on the board. Skill is used during drawing, the jpeg is just a result. Acquiring skill from the jpeg is... not a thing?

>[yap yap yap]
Don't you see how you're immediately making carveouts out of your own rules? Literally the objection I had. So much for "not the same person".

I would take it a step further. Don't "just draw", join something like a drawpile.

>>7832401
>[yap yap yap]
Excellent trivialization, my guy!

most of the board would be usable if half of the retards quit drawing, already.

>>7831762
drawing is one of the hardest hobbies you can do. You're supposed to like it for its own sake. Other hobbies can be miserable but at least give something in return. Art gives you only what you put in.

>>7832435
>Other hobbies can be miserable but at least give something in return.
Like what? If your draw, you get a picture; if you play an instrument, you get a song. What kind of hobby are you talking about that gives greater returns?

>>7832423
most of the board would be usable if half of the retards actually drew

>>7832458
Social capital mainly.

Playing an instrument gives a lot of social capital at the skill level you can compare to drawing.

>>7832435
art can scale better though
people will be really impressed if you can do 3d and even more if you can do animations

>>7832473
I think drawing has just as much social capital, that's why we see many con artists larping as actual artists these days.
Most artists don't get much of it though, because drawing is done in solitude, and then your throwing your work into an ocean that is social media.

If we're continuing the music comparison, it's like someone uploading their music to soundcloud and expecting clout just from that - they need to do live shows and performances to get their name out there.
So likewise you need to put your work up in a place where people can see it in the real world, like a gallery, or a local art fair, or local drawing events, etc.

>>7831762
If you cant make them cum after 1k hours of head, maybe you should pickup drawing instead

>>7832482
what you said is true, this is one of the many reasons why 2d animations rarely exist anymore outside of indie or tv shows. Animations is extremely rewarding, but very hard and time consuming, plus with 3d it feels more "real" to people just like with virtual reality.

>>7832483
you're right, I'm comparing live music playing to drawing. Though drawing live/going to galleries is such a small thing now, most people, me included, just post our shit into the void online.

>>7832419
You're not very good at this logic thing, are you?

>>7832502
You're not very good at this reading thing, are you?
I wrote a long reply, and he (or you) reduced it down to 3 words, and seems to get hung up on the obvious contradictory joke at the end like a retard.
He also moaned about trivialisation earlier - that post was a quote of his earlier post >>7832272.

>>7832493
i think with 3d its more that the barrier to entry is high. most modeling programs cost money to even get started and when you do, then it's about learning the interface and all the tools of which there are a fuckton. there's blender but then there's the whole "IT WAS MADE IN BLENDER!" thing that inflates normie impression of it

>>7832494
>Though drawing live/going to galleries is such a small thing now, most people, me included
Well, how many local band gigs do you go to? They're small things as well. It's only the big time people who draw big time crowds.
But drawing a small crowd is still an accomplishment.

>>7831762

go find something else to do

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>>7832137
not op but i literally dont enjoy doing anything else.

im just mad that im not actively improving despite putting the effort. ill post my work if youre interested enough, but i still have no faith in myself.

>>7832548
im not getting a job or doing 3d rendering.

>>7832522
Ugh, you're insufferable.

He: jumped to a very narrow assumption that my disdain for this board is rooted in good artists being here (incorrect). I: didn't greentext all his post and replaced it with a [...] because it literally was the example of the thing I am objecting right now. Can you (plural, I guess) please focus on the core of the argument and not on these spelling mistake tier shit?

>>7832365
i quit at 250 boxes and didnt learn a thing.

>>7832594
You need to kill symbol drawing in your brain. Look up exercises from drawing with the right side of your brain. Drawing boxes and volumes comes later in most curriculums. Art youtubers won't tell you this because they learned from drawing since they were 5.

>>7832379
I am the guy you replied to, programming was significantly easier to learn than drawing for me and I got far further with it, far faster. I code for a living.
Granted that’s at least partially because that’s just where my natural talents lie.

>>7832678
Well considering the amount of game devs producing asset flips “games” being flooded everywhere, not surprising.

>>7832681
The tooling around game development has improved exponentially over the last 20 years. Now any idiot can throw together something workable, not much skill required.
When I first started learning, I didn’t use any engines, just a text editor and a C++ compiler. And it was *still* easier than drawing is now. Which speaks to how fucking hard drawing is if you’re a talentlet.

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I'm not fond of art and everyone around it, love drawing tho

>>7832678
I mean yeah. People have different proclivities. I can draw better than just about any pro athlete, but they're making bank playing sports as a career. They would find what I do hard, and I find what they do hard. There's no objective way to measure which is more difficult.

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>>7831762
I suck dick but I still enjoy it and get dopamine every time I do it

>>7832678
I can't do anything with drawing or programming. I'm fed up with everything. Why bother with all this?

the hardest part about drawing is that output scales linearly with time. I'm not talking about skill, but actually DRAWING something. You have to spend seconds, minutes, hours, creating the lines and colors and values one at a time. And the drawing has no value until its finished.
If you spend 2 hours drawing something, you're betting that in 2 hours you're going to have something to share, which isn't even guaranteed. So if you end up with a flop, you lost those 2 hours AND the energy you put into the drawing AND you didn't get better AND you now have more trauma embedded in your brain. That's not even all, you also have to now take a break and recharge your brain, so that drawing robbed so much more from you than 2 hours.

Other hobbies are more honest about what they take from you, and they can even be done in smaller chunks of time. You can't draw for just 30 minutes and have 30 minutes worth of work done. It'll be more like 5 minutes of work plus 25 minutes of warming up/waffling around. And this is assuming you're good. If you suk, 30 minutes is not even enough time to draw half a head without hair.

>a hobby that you continually develop for the rest of your entire life
Imagine being a worm that thinks of this as tedious

>>7833552
Why are you calling your fellow anons "worm"? This is anti-social behavior and ruins board quality. And it reflects poorly on you too.

>>7833565
Shut the fuck up

>>7833576
nah man. He's right. Don't call other people worms. What's the matter with you?

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>>7831762
True. But damn it. Once you got it, you're on top of the world.
Having spent years developing your craft, you finally create something truly great. You take a breather, lean back and cross your arms with a smile. There's just no other feeling like it.

>>7833552
>worm
Damn get a load of this guy

>>7833579
>>7833598
>t. worms

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>>7833586
IKTFB

who up for some worms armageddon?

zoomers are brain rotten

>>7833586
>>7833630
>drawing from imagination
>random flash of an interesting scene hits you randomly at 6pm and you can draw it very accurately
I envy that. Covet, even!!

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>>7831858
>there's a reason why in some countries IQ tests are used to filter people from entering college