How to draw a cozy vintage book store?
>>7833346Draw some rectangles. Suggest the rest of the rectangles.
>>7833346>how do i draw a boxthe most basic principles of perspective that can be learned in less than a few days>how do i draw a shit ton of boxesreference (your ref can be done entirely in 1-point perspective) and the above basic principles>what about the stuff that isn't a boxeverything can be bound to a box. read vilppu's drawing manual to learn how to draw basic organic forms and the importance of overlapping lines and draw it again.>all my boxes look bad, wobbly, or don't look like booksread a pen and ink book (dunn, guptill, w/e) to learn about line weight, pen control, and the abstract nature of line, then draw it again>my boxes now look like books and bookshelves, but there's too many lines everywhere and certain areas feel crowded by too many pen marksread about composition from literally any source and about the importance of areas of rest and draw it again>my books and bookshelves are no longer crowded and busy, but i don't know how to do shadowslearn how to do a value study, do a bunch of them, reread your pen and ink book's sections on rendering and using line weight to capture shadows and do it again>i've drawn my book store to my satisfaction, but now i want to color itskim through color and light by james gurney and draw it again>holy shit, all of my colors suckactually read color and light by james gurney and draw it again>im finally happy with my book store. it took me 5 years, but it was worth the journey. i just wish i didn't have to do an underdrawing for it before i paintedread alla prima and paint it againmy course will be ready in 6 months on coloso. that'll be $300. thanks
>>7833352>>7833399What next? I drew a bunch of boxes but the book store looks like a 711
>>7833441read perspective made easy and enjoy the process for a few days ffsyou're literally still at>how do i draw a boxand procreate's perspective guides isn't hiding your lack of understandingnot a crime, we were all there once, but just do a skim through of it first at least before you attempt againbtw you seem sincere, but obligatory "go fuck yourself" if this is a really elaborate bait
>>7833474I used an irl book store as a reference though.What are the problems, specifically?
>>7833486well, first things first, it looks like you're rushing. the vertical lines for the books in the bookshelf at the front are just sort of scratched in. they fail to connect to other lines to at least imply a form. doing this can actually become useful later down the line as a more refined technique to organize complex objects/forms in front or behind each other without using tone (eg "shading") to assist with depth perception (picrel from tom fox's book, ignore the info, it's not relevant to you yet), but obviously that's not what you're doing, nor is it something you should worry about right now. you also "roughed in" some seats on the left, but they're so unfinished, they may as well not be there. bottom line: even if you think your work sucks right now, do it to a reasonable level of completion. no one wants to polish turds, but you need to polish anything if you want to push yourself.as far as specific issues with perspective, first off, use a ruler or the line tool for your horizon line if you haven't already, and use the line tools as well to make your boxes for now. *this is not cheating*. beginners in traditional media use rulers for straight lines all the time. you can practice drawing from your arm to get longer strokes, but it's ultimately going to be a pain in the ass on a small ipad screen, so don't be afraid to use tools. you're already using the perspective tool anyway.start with the biggest forms/boxes first *absent of details*. don't draw the watkins or the photos on the wall yet. focus just on boxes for now. you won't be drawing boxes the rest of your life, but do that first.start with the box that is the room, then the boxes that are the shelves. don't draw the individual books on the shelves either. just boxes. do this, post again with your work + the ref you used, and we'll keep going.
I'm posting a few paintings for reference. Hope you don't mind. (These are all by Andreas Rocha)
>>7833511here's the reference i used-i wanted to add an extra shelf and turn the desk into a box.still can't access my tablet for now, will post the room+shelves later
>>7833622cool, tyi'll show you how to tackle the table. ill be off work soon. it's more straightforward than you might initially think, and perspective/bounding boxes can especially help with ellipses - all circles are ellipses and perspective can get you perfect ellipses every time if you're patience. expect a response on this in a few hours, but don't let a delayed response from me stop you from continuing on with your attempt at the room
>>7833346Based thread, I can gather lots of references from my own. A question, how can I draw good backgrounds without doing a billion small details I am too lazy to do that
Here's my current work so far.....mostly box construction and stuff, with some suggestions and shit
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>>7834487just letting you know im still here, im just an old fuck that's busy with the holidays, so apologies for taking so long to make the tutorial on the table. im breaking down a lot of things in the image im making (orthographic projections, human eye fov, side views, finding ellipses using square planes, tips for making the table not look like an academic drawing through basic lining techniques, etc) so that it's easy for you to understand, and desu i probably shouldn't have committed to it 3 days before christmas, but here we are.also, this is a good. do me a favor: make a copy of this file, open the copy, and erase the lines marked in red for me. this is just a clean up step: we're removing the draw-through of the background lines to show the foreground boxes clearlyfor the "light could be cooler" statement i underlined in blue, i agree, adding lighting to the scene would be nice. in due time.as for the magenta lines, these are errors to pay attention to going forward. the purple lines on the left are what's called a tangent: when two lines of different depths get really close, they can create visual confusion as to where the foreground object begins and background object ends, breaking the illusion of depth. you have a couple options for resolving this, assuming the x and y axes are the horizontal and vertical of your picture plane (eg "the canvas") and the z axis is the depth into the bookstore that goes all the way to your vanishing point>make the bookshelf shorter along the z axis so that the end of the bookshelf is closer to the viewer to give the back left corner line of the room some breathing room>extend the shelf along the x axis towards the center of the room so that the back corner is no longer visible and the shelf goes further into the center of the room(cont)
>>7834507(cont)it's good that you're not being a slave to your ref btw. i see you pulled the back of the room forward to remove the tables in the background. just be mindful of tangents when doing this.the magenta lines on the right are more of a "avoid this" accuracy error. make the lines connect at the corners. i know this all probably feels kinda boring, but trust the process. like i said before, you won't be drawing boxes forever.there are other errors regarding carrying the lines for the bookshelves on the right down to the floor plane, but i don't want to overwhelm you and this is already a significantly better attempt than what you originally posted.
>>7834490If this were me, I'd attempt to finish a small shelf or two of books at different perspectives before proceeding. That central bookshelf angles away from the viewer quite steeply-- you'll have half an inch of width to suggest the spines of forty books (visible or not). You may be surprised by how steep your wall shelving is once you start loading it up.If you sketch and color a couple of shelves from this perspective it will either give you the confidence to proceed as planned or to choose another point of view. This is particularly true if you intend to legibly label a few of the books (Pickwick Papers, etc.) as some library artists do.
>>7833346Chronologically.
>>7834879Wdym
>>7834892start from the horizon and think chronologically. Make the building first, then place the furniture, then fill up the furniture
>>7834895Elaborate
>>7834509>>7834550Sorry for late reply-i was in a party.I did the polishing you told me! The perspectives now looks a little bit less fucked up, haha.Guess its time to start focusing on the shelves? I think id handle this one first. It looks like the simplest one to draw. Is that a good idea?
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>>7835062nta but start from simple forms in perspectivethen add details and informationif you don't understand stand perspective then you need to learn perspectiveif you don't know how to start from simple forms then add details then you need to learn to draw
>>7836391i know a bit or two about perspective
I added a shelf, what should I do next?I know theres some issues with the books but I dont really know how to fix them
95% of what makes a background appealing is how you dress itTry adding a bunch of different sized boxes in the scene while considering their placement in relation to each other, if you want you can add a door and imagine it's an actual roomRotate some of the boxes, stack the boxesAlternatively you can trace a scene and just turn everything into boxes
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