SINCE YESTERDAY, TWITTER HAS IMPLEMENTED AN OPTION THAT LET ANYONE TO AI EDIT ANY IMAGE FROM ANYONE WITHOUT ANY KIND OF AUTHORIZATION.IS THIS THE FINAL NAIL FOR TWITTER ARTISTS???IS IT BACK TO PIXIV???SO FAR NO FILTERS STOP THIS AIYOU CAN BLOCK THE REPLIES ON YOUR POSTS, BUT PEOPLE CAN STILL STEAL YOUR PICSIS IT FINALLY OVER?
>>7836387>SO FAR NO FILTERS STOP THIS AIGlaze and Nightshade, sisters, I thought our filter protected us as they promised?
It doesn't work on gifs.
>>7836387yes it's Over
>>7836387What the actual fuck?
>>7836387AI filters never did anything, why do people think AI is too dumb to detec obvious filters or watermarks etc.
>>7836395They "protect" against using the image as training material. It doesn't do anything to already trained models
>>7836459it worked specifically for a few months because the training systems were all still basically the same. the issue is model training methods and such changed, and there was never really new versions of nightshade or anything like that.The other issue is, frankly, a filter isn't gonna work when a picture is re-compressed for upload on the website if the file is too big. it will basically do nothing unless the uploaded state is lossless.
>>7836395It protects the artwork from being trained on. It's not designed to do anything for image to image attacks.>>7836459Removing the watermark/filter ALWAYS degrades the quality, which means it serves its purpose. AI trained on AI content collapses really fast.
you can edit any image in any post, including real people... the pedos are having a blast...
>>7836466>AI trained on AI content collapses really fast.This is the funniest thing about AI, you need humans doing quality control on what is used as training data all the time otherwise you get picrel.
OH NO NO NO NO DIGIFAGS OUR RESPONSE!?!?!??!
>>7836492you will wish Elon a merry christmas and forget about the whole thing the very next day like a good little tool you are
>>7836387I dont see what has changed. in the past they saved a drawing, made a model and then uploaded it. Now they press a button and get a worse version of this faster. How it this any different then before? If anything, its better for artists now since the edits look like shit. Also, i havnt seen the general population give a shit about this feature. I only see it being use to make artists mad. This all seems like a nothing burger again.
>>7836502>using twitterNot even once
>japs will finally stop using shitter as their main platformplease go back to pixiv pleasssseeeee
>>7836387You could already save any twitter image and throw it into gemini, gpt, photoshop or any other AI website.It's another case of twitter users living in a buble and only knowing about things when it shows up on their feed.
>>7836522Yeah but now the process is more streamlined. I'm sure they'll change it, considering the backlash they are getting right now
>>7836595For once it would be nice to see a company be like "our bad" and roll something back instead of just moving forward like nothing happened.
>>7836600but how will line go up if they do that
>he made another thread about itaight watch this:>"grrrr i am so mad and seething sisters its literally over noooo they can't do this to us these dumb pajeet techbro elongate muskrat nooooo i am so mad! how will i get likes now that anyone can take my epic work and make edits with it?! I am not special anymore noooooooooooo i will literally k*ll myself now you stupid nazi fascists homophobe jealous crabs you just hate us artists because ur jealous!!!"something along these lines, yeah?merry Xmas
>>7836522thats different than being alerted that someone is directly using your work and having it show up next to it
>>7836600I'm gonna be honest, even if they did that, would that really make it any better? I mean it's obvious they don't care considering they even rolled this feature out. At this point, you just focus on yourself and your art, instead of getting mad at all the bs that's happening around.
I don't really care much about Ai and it's weird to see so many of my draw buddies losing their mind over this.
hnnng i am losing my mind so hard right nowooooooh im seething and malding!
>>7836640you think YOU'RE seething? I'm more seething than ALL of you combined
>>7836638The problem isn't AI, it's the devaluation and theft of art; that's what's driving them crazy. Before, it required someone to have skill to be valued; now any idiot trivializes other people's works of art through AI and uses them as their own. People are becoming increasingly useless and, on top of that, they boast about it as if they've gained something.
>>7836387It's never too late to return to traditional art.
>>7836674They've long since been able to replicate traditional. it was one of the first things that stuff was trained on mongoloid.
>>7836387Twitter is shit and always has been, ever since Elon Musk took it over it's gotten worse, before at least there was some control, honestly I don't know why everyone's losing their minds over it, just let it die.
>>7836676Traditional art is tangible, digital art is intangible, it's data. If you're referring to that poorly made AI crap that simulates pencil strokes, it's very bad, it's still digital garbage.
>>7836686what if i printed my digital art
>>7836689are you for real? lol
>>7836689It would be printed digital crap, it's not traditional art, it's not tangible from an artistic point of view, it's printer ink, it's not oil, acrylic, etc. etc.
>>7836689Try selling your printed digital crap, only an idiot would buy something he can print himself, your question is very stupid.
>>7836704Do you have any idea how many artists sell their printsHave you ever been to a convention
>>7836686No one cares if it's tangible, considering how many prints of traditional art exist with fake oil texture on it for decades. They just want something to put on their wall regardless if it's an original, or if the original artist even gets paid. Your medium hasn't been free from the sloppification, even before the internet existed. You just think it means more because you got the stains on your clothes that won't come out to prove it.
>>7836705>>7836706That's completely different. Those are works with fame or trademarks, like buying a Dragon Ball or Spiderman poster; they have commercial value. A digital drawing of some unknown character has no value, especially if it's printed digital garbage. Use your head. I understand you're trying to defend digital art, but AI killed it.
>>7836710people have been selling digital art prints for ages to the point there is an entire market for it that makes genuine millions collectively each year. I have prints from my favorite artists on my walls, stickers on my PC case, and many other little doodads here and there.The only one devaluing things here is your dumbass mentality.just lmao at traditional art cultists trying to say it's their time to shine again like their space hasn't been dead for ages.
I don't get why people are so mad to the point of abandoning their accounts, someone tried with me and i just blocked the guy. What else you can do? If you give up, they win.
>>7836710a trad drawing of some unknown character has no value either, retard
>didn't switch to trad in 2020You reap what you sow
>>7836735We know damn well you aren't a traditional artist lmao
>>7836672>People are becoming increasingly useless and, on top of that, they boast about it as if they've gained something.This was genuinely the wording i've been looking for to explain a lot of things of the last couple years, since you can apply it to a lot of things now.It's insane that a lot of people do literally fuck all, and i mean nothing, nothing at all, and they think they did something. I'm more or less referencing modern game design with this since it's the most obvious example of the ultimate form of skinner-boxes btw.
>>7836733You're the retard. All traditional works of art, regardless of fame, acquire value even after the artist dies. Even paintings made by animals have been auctioned, you idiot.
>>7836730What did they try with you?
>see some viral tweet literally thing-japanning over the wise nipponese, who never put all their eggs in one basket like us dumb westoids!, and urging said westoids to flee Xitter and shit up their platforms instead>the poster is some literal who gay euro who appears to have posted 5 pieces of art online ever, and has an incredibly detailed, fart-huffing description about how great and original his writings are>see another viral tweet from some jap an anti-AI warding talisman watermark attached, as in that is the entire post, just a "begone spooky AI" watermark>guy also has no work posted on his page and enough followers to double the population of Buttcrack, AlaskaMan, I'm just so fucking sick of social media and I already barely use it. Really just Twitter was the only one I could stand. But I'm finding the people of this platform, the algorithm, the people intolerable. I'm doing the best work of my life and it just fucking goes to randomly die in recent months for reasons I can't understand, but I know as soon as I draw fan art of some trendy character, it'll get 100x the attention. Meanwhile everything, literally everything is another engagement opportunity for idiots desperate for their 15 minutes of fame.I know it's faggoty crying about this dubm website but I just wanted to vent anonymously about how fucked and gay this world has become. Everything is horrible and just fake as hell.
>>7836753>literally everything is another engagement opportunity for idiots desperate for their 15 minutes of fame.A guy predicted this decades ago
>>7836747literal jpegs have been auctioned, retard>hurr durr but shlomo goldberg traded moshe bankmanowitz some dead guy's drawing for a million dollars that totally wasn't actually for unrelated less than legal (((services rendered)))turbo retard
>>7836676>They've long since been able to replicate traditional. No. What goes in a sketchbook is like peering into your mind. No amount of techbro science can duplicate this and the best part is it stays offline.
>>7836751They edited my drawing
>>7836762Do you get notified if someone does that? like it can show up in the replies?
>>7836765I dunno, but the guy posted the edit so i blocked him
>>7836790your story didn't happen
>>7836387>doesn't work for explicit art with sexAnd what should I worry about as a hentai doujin artist?
Most cry baby "artist" from X at best will get their art get color changed or maybe clothes modified isn´t? NSFW refuses to be edited anyways
Why are twitter artists acting like it's the end for them or the website is useless now? Even if people edit their images, what does it do? It still needs their images and they are just edits.People are acting like nobody will suddenly look at or like their art anymore because people can make basic edits.Big artists will still get their millions of likes and retweets and smaller artists will not have their art edited anywa.y
>>7836815It's about principles retard. No self respecting artist would want to stay in a site actively hostile to them.
>>7836815just having the button visible when you mouse over someone's pictures is weird.having a barrier to AI editing things, needing to download and reup to another AI site to edit it helped keep it separate and out of anyone's minds. but now its just right there immediately visible no middle man involved
Artists aren't really the target for this feature, right? Isn't this supposed to be like a photo editing tool?
>>7836836Art posted on the site are photos
>>7836836It's just a meme tool for retards. Nobody actually being productive will use that feature, not even AIniggers.
>>7836395Glaze/Nightshade has been useless for a long time now. I've told about this but nobody listen baka. It's useless for img2img AND lora dataset training
>>7836841>lora dataset trainingproof or fud
>>7836503By putting the AIslop button directly at the lower right corner it reduces the friction for people to slop stuff exactly as they saw a post. So instead of having to open up a new tab you can just slop as you doomscroll
>>7836805>>7836811How safe is X with hentai tho? Don't you get banned for that?
>>7836851I meant ban. Also I've heard that X support system doesn't really exist
>>7836851No, unless loli shit its involved or depiction of real life people you can even get hookers or worst, like scat furry artist selling over there
>>7836851usually, yeah... but there are some lolicon japanese accounts still up for ages, so i don't even know anymore at this point
>>7836387tick tock/g/ wins again
>IS THIS THE FINAL NAIL FOR TWITTER ARTISTS???good...because I hate artist
>>7836857grow up, stupid sharty teen
>>7836859cope
>>7836860ease up off the penis
>>7836865seethe
>>7836867go slow
>>7836868go faster daddy
>>7836870cease these foolish actions my son
>>7836387This shit will be forgotten about in a week. Of all the AI things artists complained about recently this is by far the least impactufl one. MOst people will be bored with editing images after a few tries or just edit them and save them and move on.
>>7836672I think we need to remind artists that the skills they developed or rather the experience/insights they gain from developing those skills are still useful despite the output of the AI. The value of art output drops, but the insight of what kind of art to be made become valuable instead. Also happens with writing when comparing people who does things manually from scratch, alternate between manual/AI, and then there's people who only uses AI. The last group performed the worst the moment AI is taken out. The second group performed the best. The first group performed better than the second group after they get to use AI as well. I think artists could just start using AI and then anti-artists would do the opposite lol. I found this video and I thought at first it's just another anti-AI youtube essays but he looks more like a pro AI but focuses more in history instead of tech like most AIfags. It's a pretty interesting watchhttps://youtu.be/dcolM6W5Odc?si=LEZpnz7d563y3Njp
>>7836904My fellow ESL brother, let's see you post without chatgpt. Don't abandon you identity.
>>7836735You'll pry ctrl+z and eyedropper from cold dead hands.
>>7836760>I want to auction off printer ink and be considered an artist for it.
>>7836387Did you niggers even bother read the ToS update when it came out?Posting on X now means that you give full consent and free of charge your activity and content to feed Grok.
>>7836918Gippity-chan cheated on me. I am now besties with Gemini.
>>7836760And why aren't they auctioning off your prints???You fucking retarded idiot.
>>7836929I'm pretty sure grok backwards is some demon name in a long forgotten culture>Korg the faggotor some shit
>>7836904>Also happens with writing when comparing people who does things manually from scratch, alternate between manual/AI, and then there's people who only uses AI. The last group performed the worst the moment AI is taken out. The second group performed the best. The first group performed better than the second group after they get to use AI as well.This makes sense. "AI" shit is really just a force multiplier, if you know what you're doing it can actually help you take on even harder challenges than you can without it, which lets you learn more, but if you let it guide you instead then you aren't gonna learn anything from it and plateau early
>>7836952Korg is the name of a synthesizer company dipshit
>>7836387Calm down, OP. No need to yell I'm right here.
>>7836933>>7836926Prints aren't literal jpegs, esltard. Try learning English before samefagging lmao
>>7836918Oog magic box use more, Oog stupid become more. Krub no magic box use, Krub smarter
>more nips are posting still pictures as gifs on xitter now>it's more annoying to save anything
>>7836977It's actually pathetic that you can't save videos and gifs on xitter without a third party site. Everything in Web 3.0 is made by and for retarded niggers.
>>7836963The only esl idiot here, are you, nobody mentions real prints outside of digital or commercial art, you fell for your own stupid bait.
>>7836985>[esltard intensifies]
>>7836990
>>7836958calm down korg
>>7836993huehue learn english, brownoid
>>7836996
>monkey thinks it's on twitter
>>7836996Okay, Rajesh.
>>7836985Nah anon, i understood thatthese fags are just pulling ya leg
>>7836387I doubt this will chase away artists, because every time those losers say "This is the last straw elon! I'm mad and I'm leaving!"... they're back the next day.Artists were able to collectively leave tumblr, but seem unable to do that shit again.Also, I could swear this wasn't a new feature, because I had seen people posting grok AI versions of others' art in the replies for some time - did this update make it easier or something?
>>7836996NTA, Seriously, do you really think internet trolls from outside English-speaking countries care about your pathetic grammar corrections? Go kill yourself!
>impotent melanin rage
>>7836984And you can't even view the full resolution of the image with gifs. For fucks sake.
>>7837006> You don't speak my country's language well. United States of India
>>7836395The filters do protect the art from being in a dataset, but img2img is unaffected.So if I prompt "make big titted girl leaning over to show cleavage using anon's style" it won't be able to do so, as your work was protected - HOWEVER, if I prompt "make tits and ass bigger" while doing img2img with your art, that won't stop it.So the filters work in so far that your style won't be destroyed like samdoesart or ghibli's style has.>>7837006I swear you're likely the same pathetic faggot who does this in nearly every thread. You start an argument, get stomped on, and then start attacking the other person for being an "esl" - even if their spelling and grammar were perfect - before no longer replying to their posts and vague posting about how brown and angry they are, as if that is a form of victory.The fact that you keep posting show that they got under your skin, just take the L's and fuck off.
>saar take the seriously saar you benchod fucking
>>7836977>>7836984Just screen shot them? Still a hassle, admittedly.
>>7836476that is why AI doomsday scenarios are irrational.
>>7837012don't forget, anon; i love youPost more walls of text for me to read, i enjoy them without any malice in my heart, only appreciation.Also because it makes browns and brainlets mald into oblivion.
>>7836904You can't really use AI to help create art. At most you can try to generate references or some amalgamation of photo bashing but you'll never have AI incorporated into a drawing/painting without someone with a keen eye detecting it and calling it out.
>>7836984Whoever started the trend of shoving webp files across the internet needs be fucking flayed alive.
>>7836387I come from /g/ so I’m not an artist. Honestly if I was one I would just create slop for the masses, normalniggers deserve it for accepting and shilling aislop
If you think about how videogames play in the current era i.e. they're all solitaire autoplay type skinner boxes that hold your hand every step and have completely removed player agency from the equation to appeal to the broadest audience possible; you can figure out why midwits and low IQs push AI since it gives them all the empty dopamine they crave so much without having to do or learn anything. They press button and win/create and start believing they did something when in fact the thing they used only preys on and grooms their primitive monkey brains to create addiction.If you're also aware of gacha games and the consequences it has brought upon gaming, you know what i'm talking about.Artists are generally more conscious of their output and there is some sort of integrity/pride thing going on, since art usually is a direct extension of the self and a lot just don't want to lie to themselves, unless we're talking modern grifters who would sell their own mothers into prostitution for 5 likes and a retweet.
>>7837026Ironically twitter will just end up driving more and more people out, whether it be creators or users, because of it's reliance on political ragebait and userbase infighting over created works.Even fucking reddit is more intelligent with how it handles its userbase, with people simply separating themselves into certain echochambers.Twitters site revamp process has just been one bad decision after another.
True artists are also verbose as fuck because they have to juggle and learn a lot of information and concepts about general art theory and even visual storytelling and they have to learn to observe their surrounding, which inevitably leads to higher critical thinking, a more varied dictionary, maybe even talking skills and being able to bring their own point across and rally the masse more than your average normal cattle could ever achieve in their lives of servitude and consumption.I mean, windmill man didn't do what he did for no reason.
>>7837030I don’t know how twitter manages to stay alive. I don’t have an account but when I use xcancel and search something there’s always some ainigger shilling something or a bot running a cryptoscam. But anyway, I feel bad for artists, they should start creating slop everywhere, that’s what normalfags deserve
In short; most artists reject AI on the principle that it's an insult to life itself and owned by a certain group of people who will burn the entire planet just because they have bigger number mental illness like gacha addicts.
>>7837034At least we still have forums and imageboards, right? oh wait they've been ruined by discord cliques.
>>7837033but most big e-artist already create slop and it attracted slop eatersif they didn't; ai slop would have just been the flavor of the week like naked anime girls from current shonen anime The problem lies in most modern cattle being soft effeminate faggots and expecting the world to bow down to their moods and feelings.>>7837037Yeah.. but it's easy to filter them out since all they post is insults or incessant unfunny trolling.Also they are generally humorless spergs who never say anything of real substance out of fear of getting made fun of like they constantly do to others.Once everyone starts ignoring them they'll kill themselves.
I've got discord trannies so addicted to (you) that now i can start holding them.Already sent 9 million crossdressers to the shadow realm
>>7837042>Already sent 9 million crossdressers to the shadow realmHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH
>>7836387doesn't matter what you do as long as you keep posting your shit there they can do anything they want with it. the problem is with the retards who owns that shithole wanting to shit on creatives.
I am getting like 3 views and 0 likes per update so its not my problem
I deleted my twatter account last year.I saw this shit coming.
>>7836387Niggers, this is literally just Nano Banana but implemented as Twitter feature. You could have done this for the past 4 or so months, literally just open Gemini studio, right click the image, copy it into the studio website and you are done, here you have your free edits, and there is literally nothing you can do to poison it. This happened few months ago you dumb niggers but only now you realise it.
>>7837026Normal gags don’t actually like slop, at least those that spend time online and are the primary audience for internet content. This is why AI users so often try to hide their use of AI.
>>7836387You guys are catching on little too late its been over for the longest time but thats not my problem
Looking at it, I don't think the AI image editor is that big of a deal - for artists at least, I can imagine pervs editing images of real people to be sexy or something of that ilk.Anyway, for artists, how many people do you think want edited version of your images? Probably very few. Those who really wanted to do so, would have just dragged your image to any ai, or even edited themselves.If you're cry babying NOW about twitter's ai, you're being an idiot. The bigger issue was always twitter using whatever image you upload to train its shit, like >>7837051 said.I wonder how many of the artists who are crying foul now, actually used glaze or nightshade to protect their art? Maybe this is an out of sight, out of mind thing?
>>7836984they don't want you saving shit on your computer, they want you to visit the site again if you want to see it. In the next ten years, they're going to do something about all the pesky hard drive space and ram we have.
>>7836387just move to tumblr
>>7837104Did they unfuck the site after the mass migration? Last I saw I needed an account to even view nsfw blogs.
>>7836387Boy, Musk really must be so asshurt when people called him out for not crediting artists.
>>7837148>Last I saw I needed an account to even view nsfw blogs.I heard they still have nsfw banned? If they've unbanned it, tumblr might be worth going back to.
>>7836387>The editor is purely sfw, can’t edit an image if there is nipple or cock bulge on itBothingburger
>>7836595>Elongated Muskrat>Caring about backlashpick one
>>7836387It doesnt work in porn so its fine
>>7837238when that artrist is gonna do normal porn ? it always piss shit or hardcore bdsm
as for op topic it litteraly a code red since B2B is out for them at the moment because claude is better a coding and deep seek is way cheaper/flexiable same thing happened with sora
>>7837235He cares about his own image, so just use the feature to always edit his images into something more embarrassing, like him crying because he shit himself.Make him learn to not be such a retard when enabling such features.
>>7837152Artistic nudity is the limit and what they consider nsfw.
>>7837087majority of visual artist are very emotional and not very smart. when something happen that they don't like their vision narrows to that specific things. that's why it's easy for them to bully artist and just take whatever they want.
>>7837245What's grok even good for outside of being uncensored out of the box? I can just jailbreak gemini or deepseek and get better erp and conversation.
>>7837272Most people just want shit out of the box. You can easily make gemini or gpt do or say anything you want. But most people will never once open the settings and don't know about things like custom instructions or memories.
>>7837273>Most people just want shit out of the box.Convenience is often one of the biggest selling points.
>>7837066>you have to know that you can dk it for free with Gemini, and know where to access Gemini/nano banana, and then literally just open Gemini studio, right click the image, copy it into the studio website, prompt a few times, save it, then go back to xitter, reply to that post, upload the edited slop, click add to reply and you are done, here you have your free editsThat's too many steps. And really, there's a reason why online stores kept asking you to save your credit card information for "1-click easy checkout" because it drastically reduces the friction of using those features. Same goes for musky boy's changes this time. Of course people are upset. Btw most people don't know that you could do that with Gemini, or know that Gemini exist. Only people who pay attention to AI or techies know about it. But just putting edit image on every post with image? Every single xitter users will find out about it. Then they'd just do it in 2 steps.>>7837087Glaze/Nightshade doesn't help nearly as much. Even as datasets for training. You can get fucked up results by many other factors like incorrect ratio buckets, too high/too slow learning rate, improper tagging, overtraining, undertraining, etc and whatever other crap. I mean, those other factors affect the outcome of the model training more than having a few glazed images in your dataset.>t. Tried to train lora of my own characters using my older artworks, some glazed. Didn't change the outcome as much compared to limiting dataset to 2-3 aspect ratios (manually crop them) instead of 6-15 (throw in every images without modifying them).
>>7836815I'll just add a grok watermark to every image edited by grok like Gemini. Yes you can download it and remove the watermark yourself in many ways but believe me a lot of people wouldn't be bothered with it. Or just bloody remove that feature unless muskrat started getting into trouble with people editing the wrong public figure's photos.
>>7837289>some glazedGlaze doesn't fuck up a dataset, its purpose is to obfuscate the image just enough that the distinct characteristic of your work won't be copied, thus protecting your place in the market.Nightshade is the one that actively poisons the dataset, by allowing the training on the image, but by containing incorrect tagging information within to ruin it (or something along those lines, from my understanding).So yeah, your own glazed image wouldn't have effect the training, but a nightshaded image, a poisoned image, would have.But you are right that there are a lot of other factors that can spoil a dataset too.
>>7836815it's the bad actors and the ease of access to such thing. yeah people were editing it before, but most people are lazy and would have to download photoshop and do the actual edit, this edit garbage made it braindead easy. There was the whole grok shit before, but I think you can just block it and uncheck some shit for it to not work.
>people are starting to upload their drawing as gifs>can't save them without a third party software/websiteTHIS SHIT IS SO ASS
>>7837325where there is a will there is a way, sar.
>>7837257Someone please buy Tumblr off wordpress's hands
>>7837104>>7837343Beyond the banning of nsfw, didn't they also fuck up page customisation? That was one of the huge leg ups tumblr had on other platforms - why would they change that?Let us making ugly garish pages you stupid corporate fucks!
>>7837355No not really. You can use AI to write your own pages if you don't know that much about HTML/CSS.
>>7836387>IS THIS THE FINAL NAIL FOR TWITTER ARTISTS???A lot of artists said that this is the thing that broke the camel's back, and big shots like Boichi quit because of it but at the same a bunch of artists figured out workarounds like posting in other websites that share a shitty version to X or just using gifs instead of pngs, jpgs.
>>7837373>artists figured out workaroundsThere's also picrel.
>>7836387i think this is basically going to cause most jap artists to exit the platform, so i guess there is literally no reason to use twitter anymore.
>>7837380access to japanese people is not a right
elon is a massive faggot, so there is a non-zero chance this was added for the express purpose of creating drama.
>>7837378buy an ad
>>7836387Oh no! Anyway.This will die down in a week like every other twitter crashout
>>7837388I thought that Nikita Bier guy was the voice of reason in the ZlX development team but he's been kepping hush hush about this whole fiasco.
>>7837373>I cannot accept my work being... learned from... without compensationDoes he not realise that's exactly what has been happening by uploading his work to twitter? He helped train the AI that's now allowed to edit others work.
>>7837406Artists on twitter, especially japanese are just another breed. They have no idea what is happening outside of twitter and are years behind.And they think their no ai watermarks are some fool proof way that everyone will follow.
>>7837388Artists and people who are enough into art to give a shit are a small minority of twitter users, it was added so normies could edit their vacation pictures. I bet half the prompts so far are something like "add Santa smiling in the window, make our tree bigger and hide grandma's oxygen tank"
>>7837409>they think their no ai watermarks are some fool proof way that everyone will follow.I recall that the Japanese are actually shockingly tech illiterate, despite their tech reputation, so perhaps that has something to do with it?
>>7837414Why would normies upload their pictures to a post before editing it? If anything they'd GPT it up before posting
>>7837444why go to a different website when you don't have to anymore
What bothers me is that every time people point out the negative effects of AI art, they are often dismissed as doomers or attacked outright. While it is true that 70% of artists (or more) only produce slop or coomer shit, this has always been the case and does not invalidate the core issueThe frustration surrounding AI is TOTALLY justified. Becoming a professional artist requires years of study and practice in areas such as perspective, anatomy, composition, color theory, and technical execution, alongside significant emotional and economic investment. Every finished piece represents deliberate effort, intent, and problem-solving.So it is entirely reasonable for artists to feel anger when their work can be altered, repurposed, or overridden with a single click, disregarding the creator’s intent, undermining commission opportunities, and often being framed as an “improvement” without consent or effort. This is not creative progress; it is the automated distortion of someone else’s labor.The lack of empathy toward artists I see on social media reflects a serious ethical failure. We're seriously fucked. This post-modern society is amoral and cruel as fuck. The fact that some express their frustration poorly does not weaken the argument itself> Artists are whiny bitches!Only an indian would say something like thisAI systems do not create in a vacuum. They rely on vast libraries of real artwork, frequently used without consent, to generate derivative outputs for commercial gain. Without the accumulated labor of real artists, these systems are functionally useless.This shit discourages future artists, diminishes authentic creative expression, and pushes cultural production toward repetition and low-effort imitation. Even if the spread of AI is inevitable, inevitability does not equal legitimacy. At the very least, the damage being done should be acknowledged, along with the responsibility of those who profit from itThat's why doomers are right
>>7837472also the fact that some people blame artists by saying, >Urr why are they complaining now? They should have complained two months ago, or a year ago.That makes no sense. So what if some artists didn’t fully see the horrible reality of AI until it exploded in their faces? Many artists are not constantly tracking every technological or political shift, and it’s understandable that they are only feeling the full weight of this frustration now. That does not make the underlying argument any less valid.In fact, many artists have been raising concerns SINCE DAY ONE, since AI began reshaping the internet, but they were ignored anyway. Artists also lack the political power to organize effectively, so the only thing left to do is to express frustration and try to educate others
>>7837472>Only an indian would say something like this...And short sighted greedy jewish grifter idiots and also jaded right leaning incel losers with no friends and underdeveloped empathy. I am using ad hominem a bit, but it's true those kind of people are saying that, not just retarded third worlders.
>>7837472>They rely on vast libraries of real artwork, frequently used without consent, to generate derivative outputs for commercial gain.I don't use AI but you kinda just described my moodboards lol
>>7837475While I agree with everything from your post above, you can't say>"Artists were just ignorant of AI and couldn't foresee this"Whilst also saying>"Artists were totally infuriated by AI and fighting against it!"These guys weren't ignorant of AI - we've all had it shoved in our faces for the past few years, everyday, non-stop. If they were ignorant at this point, it was deliberate ignorance, and they're still culpable.Also, to say they have no political power, let me ask you; have you seen a single petition asking for AI in the creative fields to be banned in any country? I haven't.Not a single grass roots petition... That's like step one in political action from civilians. These people are whiners and internet activists, but anything that would take actual physical action is far too demanding for them...Anyway, I'm sounding far more aggressive than I intended to, but I just disagree with the "artists are just widdle baby victims" narrative you have here - to me it feels like artists could be doing so much more in their fight against his, if they were truly that passionate about it, but instead they're just making social media posts about it and not much else.
>>7837472wtf I love India now. India Superpower 2030 is real
Theres really no point of Artists anymore.Thanks to Inpaint and Img to Img, All you need a drawing skill of kindergarten.... and Motivation.Its even better if you have Photoshop skill
>>7837505What are you suggesting? A fucking change.org petition? For people to ask the governments to ban that shit? Im sure that will go great, same way how the bongs tried to get rid of their digital ID 1984 looking ass system of age verification and their goverment said "lol no", look at aussies too, they tried to do the same and also failed. You cant fight against the system with the same rules that the system gives you, you have to use violence if you want change, and aint nobody going to sacrifice their well being for art of all things.Things suck, but it doesnt suck enough for people to make the steps that lead to real change. Yet.
>>7837505This is pretty on point. I got laughed at about a decade ago when I raised these points. They all said that their work had "soul", that normies would choose them over the slop, blissfully unaware of the creative economy and how it asymmetrically favors safe slop.
>>7837568>A fucking change.org petitionDo you guys not have an official petition system in your country? And while politicians may ignore what is asked of in the petition, it'd at least be an action, and show that these artists are trying something, because like I said, a petition is the very first step... which hasn't been taken yet.
>>7837567Unless you are animator artist.AI companies doing their best do cuck that shit up
>>7837568there's literally nothing you can do government wise, the tech billionaires have trump deep in their pocket. they got him restricting state rights to make ai laws and a federal ban on any ai regulation for the next decade.
>>7837572>that normies would choose them over the slop, blissfully unaware of the creative economy and how it asymmetrically favors safe slop.I actually think this might be true though. Why do you think Tim Sweeny, the head of Epic Games, wanted steam to hide the AI warning in their store?... It's because it effects consumer decisions. If it had no effect, why even bring it up?If I bought a book and quite enjoyed it, and found out it had no author and was written by AI, I'd be pissed - yes I'd retroactively hate it and feel I've been conned. I think most normies would feel the same, because why should I pay for a generated book when I could just generate one myself?It's also a matter of what we think art and culture is, and I think the greater portion of the population feel it should be created by humans, not machine...but I could also be totally wrong on that, it wouldn't be the first time that the general population has totally disappointing me, haha.
>>7837597>If it had no effect, why even bring it up?It does, but only in as far as that it is vogue to call a thing "AI slop". This is the only thing artists did right, create an air of ostracism around it and the fact that Elon is this figurehead gives it social momentum. But even that only lasts so long.The average joe doesn't give that much of a shit. Happy you have these issues even, because when he thinks art he thinks gallery art. If eating slop is the consequence so be it fuck you - he thinks.
>>7837597Thats a first world thing, the third world doesnt give a shit about moral or values, they want content fast and for free, I know what Im saying.With that said, the vast majority of their revenue come from the first world, thats where the money is at, so I dont get their modus operandi, at some point the consumer base that gives them money is going to stop giving them money and they will be fucked, unless they are playing the long game and waiting for gen alpha and beta to carry on, but they will be even more broke than gen z so...
>>7837568>look at aussies too, they tried to do the same and also failed.Oh, what petition did Australia ignore? Petitions, of course, only start a discussion in parliament, but comparing us to Britain and their Internet Age Verification petitions response is pretty harsh.
>>7837632>The average joe doesn't give that much of a shit. Happy you have these issues even, because when he thinks art he thinks gallery art. If eating slop is the consequence so be it fuck you - he thinks.We'll have to agree to disagree, I have more faith in my fellow man... not much more, mind you, but a bit more than that, haha.>>7837634>Thats a first world thing, the third world doesn't give a shit about moral or values, they want content fast and for free, I know what Im saying.I suppose this could be true though, because I know AI adoption is much higher in poorer countries. But ultimately, it's about the money, and they have to win over those first world countries.Given that pretty much all the AI companies are unprofitable, except the ones that aren't really "AI companies" (google), we can guess that first world consumers aren't really impressed with AI as of yet. How long can they last until things come crashing down?
>>7837646>How long can they last until things come crashing down?They wont, all those data centers wont dissappear after the bubble deflates (see: not burst, the government wont allow it to), they will be used for military applications.Things are bad right now, but they are gonna get way worse.
>>7837663You might even say the whole point of this tech is maximizing state surveillance and manufacturing consent on steroids.
>>7837675Basically. Everyone saw what China did, saw that it worked amazingly well and said "I want that too", there are already places in the US that look more like China than the US due to all the cameras and shit, and you cant post a meme in the UK without getting a call on your door asking for your loicense.Tradfags may have a point here, learning some trad skills might complement well if you are planning to live off grid when shit goes down.
>average of 135 people committed suicide per day in the US>49,316 killed themselves in 2023 in the US>55% used a firearm>end of 2025 and still not a single person has tried to take down elon musk with themI thought artists were suicidal, what are they doing?
>>7837817Sam Altman and Jensen Huang too. Also Donald Trum- wait hes already avoiding assasination, twice
>>7837562you are indian, though
>>7837849God i wish
>>7837414Eh you mostly do it before you post like with Samsung Galaxy AI or Google Photo's editor, not after posting. Doing it after is clearly because Elon want to pump his grok metric
>>7836387This is just pinging grok with a button. Friendly reminder not to feed the trolls, they have incredibly short attention spans and this will blow over in a month.
Why do japanese artists always nuke their accounts at the slightest inconvenience?
>>7837576Very naive thinking and an uninformed guess. 1) Anon was talking about Australia. Europe is another example. They've been trying to regulate (for their countries) the Trojan horse that social medias have become on much bigger issues than art theft and these American companies act like thugs and tourists on a foreign soil. It takes years for them to either acknowledge the situation or implement late and half-assed changes. 2) These petitions exists for musicians, singers and actors. Unionized artists with companies to back them up and much more recognition/money than any digital artists/hobbyist that are openly targetted and singed with these updates because they got none of that. They're the easy target. It will also be years until these petitions get anywhere.
>>7838033It's the seppuku of the digital age.
>>7836387There aren't any alternatives.
>>7838042>AHHH i need to post my art please!! ineed the internet pointsJust go instagram if you are addicted to likes
>>7837472Vast swaths of society think that if you aren't suffering as much as they are, you don't have a "real job", whatever that means. So when they see people making a living off art, they see it as a slap in the face when they spend every day in the shit shoveling factory. The fact that it takes years/decades of training to develop and maintain a professional level of quality never occurs to them, because all they see is pretty pictures.
>>7836387>see writing on the wall>watching every drawfag lose their shit>mfw I pulled all of my artwork off the internet years ago to avoid this very same thing
>>7838051Wow, now no one knows who you are.
>>7838061Exactly. I'm living a life of complete anonymity; flourishing, in my own lane and moisturized.>NGMI COULDN'T HANDLE...At least my art isn't training AI>feelsgodman.jpg
>>7837572>blissfully unaware of the creative economy and how it asymmetrically favors safe slop.Seeing how stuff like Taylor Swift or The Beatles are super popular I can't help but not only agree but think that in hindsight it was always obvious.
